/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>397257
the source of law is the collective will
if people decide that Stalin was a murderer, then he actually was

>>398031
Stalin has 70% or so approval rating in Russia
So…
>>398008
The point was that at least some of the deaths that occurred should be counted as caused by capitalism, because they would not have occurred if the dominant mode of production in world wasn't imperial capitalism.

The other point is that peaceful is the default position for a country and that war and aggression is a deviation.

>>397257
>murderer
>executioner
yeah, cool and what is the difference, lol

>>382641
>Dead cities are the best ones prove me wrong
Time to bust out the neutron bombs…?

>>382641
How do you define "cities" and which dead cities are you referring to?

>0 fucking mass protests riots or crime

Crime is typically higher in dead cities as poverty creates crimes of desperation & despair leads to mass mental health issues, drug epidemics, etc.

>No ones fucking interested in interacting with each other and learn to stfu and mind their own buissness

So there is no organizing potential, low trust and everybody is miserable. Doesn't sound very nice.

>its actually fucking quiet for most of the day meaning you can think for yourself

Maybe? Depends which dead cities and where you are in them.

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what if we had hecking giat dead city?

>>397723
That’s what you got from my post? I guess you’re definitely illiterate. Tell me, are you in your early 20s? I’m thinking you are since your experience in life is only twitter spats. I’m willing to bet you’ve never done any organizational work, perhaps you think being part of a party means larping. There’s a reason Caleb Maupin abandoned party shit which makes sense, he realized how much of a hassle and how sectarian socialist party organizing is when it’s made up of larpers and not working class organizers.

>>397732
Extremely angery. How many DSA members are union leaders? How many wrecker/trotsky jokes do DSA members make, pretending to be 'stalinists?' Why do you continue to pretend like entryism is even possible? Organizing liberals in a liberal organization does not make socialism.

My take: Psl are Dengoids (and kind of a bit too urban centered IMHO), but they're militant and serious and (somewhat) disciplined.
DSA is the left wing of Langley.
There's no comparison, PSL is manifestly better.

>>397416
PSL's membership fees are literally the highest of any communist party or cell currently organizing on the US.

PSL have retention issues from what I hear. Their centralism (not necessarily a bad thing) makes them set up in areas and then leave. You need to have a little slack if your leadership structure is incapable of capitalising on new gains made in Bumfucktown.
They either need to slack the leash a little or reform their leadership in a way that lets them eat up these gains they make and then lose due to a perceived lack of interest from the party.

>>397670
Infracel was right all along

>>397915
your obsession with crying about furries is completely irrelevant and you make anyone, like me, calling out this retard for sucking /pol/ cock 24/7, look bad

>>397964
Furry mod detected

>>397953
remember when cloaking reactionary shit as leftist was banned?
good times
now it's not as much cloaking as it is just shit falling out of their mouth while pretending to be "reactionary socialists"
this has been an issue since before the move away from bunker
>>397965
go eat a big load of cock you faggot and choke on it you drooling retard

Moved to >>>/meta/8142.

>>397751
>the later one about a significant number of Yanks being among the global poor is intentionally exploiting ignorance about how wealth is defined in economic terms to the point that that "bottom 10% of humanity in wealth" includes many America billionaires and millionaires, including Trump in the 1990's who technically had far less "wealth" than slum dwellers in New Dehli.
What possible measure of wealth could classify a slum dweller in India earning $2 per day as more wealthy than an American millionaire (much less billionaire) who has multiple properties, capital investments, stock portfolios etc? Seems like you just made this one up and it isn't actually a thing.

>>397795
The actual definition of "wealth" in the economic sense and not its pop usage is income + assets minus debt.

Many multimillionaires and billionaires have either long term or temporarily more debt than they do income and assets (ie property, stockmarket shares/bonds, physical assets) often for long periods of time, so while these people may live in mansions, have private jets and access to enormous amounts of spending money they technically have negative wealth.

In fact, the ability to have negative wealth is a sign of a "privileged" class background as the majority of proles globally do not have access to financial services or banks, money borrowing which does occur often exists on an informal or non-legally binding basis from richer members of the community/family and is not calculable for that reason.

So ie, a New Dehli bigger or landless peasant in Peru might literally own the clothes on their back, but even without valueing them having net 0 wealth renders them far wealthier than a billionaire with -100 million $USD wealth.

If it sounds fucky and dishonest, that's because it is. Almost all statistics and official figures on economics coming out of bourgeois states are similarly fucky, ie inflation, PPP calculations, poverty reduction rates, unemployment, etc.

As to why oxfam & others lie this way, it's because intentionally misrepresented & fudged stats and intentionally misleading graphis like this create catchy headlines which lead to both more donations and also government funding for them and similar NGO's.

>>397708
Does it factor domestic peace or just conflict as >>397717 said? If so then ofc Haiti would be higher than the Failed States of America since they aren't busy provoking ww3 right now

>>397708
You're getting the Congos twisted anon. That's "Congo-Brazzaville" which was a ML state in the Cold War, the other is the more infamous DR Congo, formerly Zaire.

>>397708
I don't think that's what that metric is measuring. It's probably mostly America's overseas wars.

>>397728
How common are said molestations? I don't think that your link says anything about them.

>>397775
>I don't doubt this, it's pretty clear that based on mass shootings alone the United States is an extremely violent country, and when factoring in small scale violence and domestic abuse, etc, the United States is a uniquely brutal state.
Only a tiny portion of Americans die in mass shootings. Most gun deaths are in smaller scale acts of violence, particularly suicide. Additionally, America is around the middle of the pack in regards to homicide rates, ranking 93/229 countries and territories.

>>396199
>1 engineer and 9 workers is unlikely more productive than 10 engineer-workers.
Especially because 10 engineer-workers can each design a solution for a problem and then decide which one is best, or they can split the labor of engineering among them over multiple projects. Having experience building also helps you engineer better and vice versa.

Your telling me cityfags dont know how to use a knife and a hammer for crafting shit. Just carve out wood and stone to form tools and hammer them together or fuck just use the fucking internet it cant be that hard :(

>>396199
division of labor happens because people would die before you trained them to do everything.

Learning to live independently is as simple as just spending a few hours away from city🅽🅸🅶🅶🅴🆁🆂 to go explore nature and set up camps and watch towers. Inevitably you'll learn on your own how to utilise simple tools like hammers and knifes along with being able to understand where there is and isnt danger. Humans are naturally self preservational, industrial societies comprise that lifestyle

A shovel can be used
To dig farmland
To dig holes
To dig roads
To dig away mud and unwanted substances
And mine minor metals

>>392330
>They make graphs disappear
Here this graph might be affected as well, it used to be very easy to find it, but not anymore. It's a "rare graph" now, save it while you can.

>>392582
2 questions, what is this graph and where is it from? What's the source?

Is this a new thing for you guys? Literally look up anything about “AES” countries in their native language on google-based search engines. Anti-communist blogs and orgs always get in the front row.

>>397733
What is "AES"?

>>397754
The good guys.
Actually Existing Socialism (USSR, Cuba, etc…)

>>395108
wtf does Chavez have do with this?

>>397421
I think the nature of capitalism necessitated outsourcing because the alternative would have been socialist revolution. Imperialism as well in the 19th century, and I believe one of Cecil Rhodes' explicit reasons for endorsing imperialism was to prevent civil war in Britain (given the overcrowded, dirty conditions of 19th-century industrial Britain) by effecting an "outsourcing" of surplus men through conscripting them into the military and having them police the colonies, settling there, and so forth (which is how you got… Rhodesia… among other places). And, therefore, preserving Britain's class structure at home.

Outsourcing in the U.S. for similar reasons starting in the 1970s given declining profitability in the system for a variety of reasons, which caused the capitalist investment cycle to freeze up. To prevent the U.S. from becoming more "socialistic," it was necessary for the capitalist class to make their own working class "disappear," or rather, transferring / externalizing the contradictions in the system on a global scale.

Now financial capital is globalized, and indeed, is coming into conflict with the nation-state. But it's very difficult to "step outside" of this without being more "socialistic." That is not in the cards, however, for right-wing populist parties which are explicitly opposed to socialism and communism. They prefer instead to limit their politics to "cultural" issues which can be handled without threatening globalized capital or reigning back austerity policies (i.e. see Europe) which should mean that capitalism will continue to stagnate and decay (as it has been since the 2007-2008 financial crisis), careening from crisis to crisis in the short term anyways.

Biden is trying to pull a neo-New Deal in the U.S. but I'm not sure it will work this time. Maybe it will. And if it doesn't, that doesn't mean a socialist revolution is inevitable in the short term, either (although socialism is inevitable over the long term), since capitalism has other ways out of the crisis (like launching World War III or inducing a recession to destroy massive amounts of "dead capital" which is dragging on profitability). Or maybe something else. We'll see, though.

>>397421
>None of those things necessitated job outsourcing and mass migration.
But they inevitably do. Growth in just a single country has its upper limits.
>Both of those phenomenon, which are what most people are complaining about when they speak of the evils of globalization, were planned many decades prior to the developments you mention. For example, Britain began outsourcing manufacturing jobs in the 1920s. The groundwork for the EU started in the 1910s. All of that was envisioned long before humans had the ability to facilitate globalism on a mass scale.
Just like quickly developing merchant markets preceded the fall of feudalism, you have the system beginning to undertake operations that foreshadow later ones. The things mentioned just accelerated it, but they were always emerging together.

>>397421
Lmao hey retard Nazi dumb faggot. If you have a business where you can hire people for 15 dollars an hour or hire people for 2 dollars an hour which would you pick? You dumb fuck. You are so fucking stupid hahaha. This is why white people are being bred out, because your kind can’t even do basic logic.

>>397189
Wow you really beat the stuffing out of him

>>392903
I don't know about parties in Chile but Strasserism seems pretty similar to Juche in some of it's ideas of self reliance and isolation. I guess you want Chile to go to absolute shit, huh?

>>392903
Círculo Patriótico maybe? but they're duginists and not a party.
https://praxispatria.cl/

>>392925
Strasser wanted to form an early European union , he even praised Kalergi. Self reliance my ass

>>388132
Artés was already warning us about how phony Frente Amplio is and that Boric glows in the dark years ago.

Warning: dangerously based.

Support your local Rodriguist Colective. Electoralism will lead us to failure again.

>>397162
Surely this man is completely revolutionary and based and not just a retarded hispanic fulfilling negative stereotypes

>>397162
>>397170
Chicano rightoids should unironically be raped to death

>>397055
You do realize it's not just skin but mentality. We Anglos can tell you're not by the words you use.

Moved to >>>/b/112326.