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 No.413753[Reply]

Why did he and Mao split? Why did Mao let him die of cancer? As somebody who is not really knowledgeable about the history of the CPC. can somebody explain this to me?
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 No.413766

Mao got too retarded and dogmatic. That isn't to say Zhou was perfect, he still believed in that autistic anti-soviet foreign poliy but he was better than Mao in other areas.
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 No.413772

>>413766
foreign policy*
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 No.413828

Bumping for non-idiotic replies.
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 No.413849

>>413753
he read too many books
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 No.413902

>>413849
hot kek
>>413766
I assumed it was something along the lines of this, thanks anon


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 No.410497[Reply]

I am doing a USA tour and the most striking thing is all the fakeness in people's behaviour. Fake smiles, fake kindness, fake attitude in general. Everyone looks like the women from that story Stepford wives, only itnis everybody. How is USA society still function on so many layers of pretend? Isn't almost everyone mentally ill due to all this acting all the time?
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 No.413593

>>411610
I heard the exact same thing about Americans from a Russian once. He was watching American protests and it seemed like it was a movie, or people acting like characters in a movie. People even become protest warriors and wear costumes. It's kinda like Ren Faire culture or Comic-Con but for protests. I'm gonna get ready and get my costume for the protest. Everyone is trying to influence the situation in some way.

They just don't do it like that in Russia. They have their own ways. Wildly avant-garde stuff in Russia too but… it's like a whole different country!

>>411659
lmao
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 No.413627

>>410731
"happiness" is subjective, notice the same exact countries always top for being the lowest in corruption, most "democratic", happiest, healthiest etc,
its because NO ONE LIVES THERE compared to how rich they are
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 No.413714

>>413468
when I’m happy, I don’t need to shove it in other people’s faces to be perceived as successful (like burgers do)

when I’m miserable, I don’t need to fake happiness to keep up with Joneses in success (like burgers do)

t. Slav
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 No.413804

Thats just untrue. Your one example is a guy in a government photo, he probably didnt enjoy sitting there getting his picture taken.

You'll find that while overall we dont go out of our way to be kind Americans do tend to be happy and kind where it counts.

Also you say Americans shove happiness in your face but where tf did they do that?
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 No.413863

retail culture has infected large parts of the American working class, where you're basically forced to be "fake" as a basic tenet of your job. you have to smile and take it even when a customer is screaming at you because that's "good customer service." You can't contradict a customer, even when they're wrong. Needless to say you can't talk back to your "superiors" either, managers, assistant managers, whatever, no matter how retarded or in the wrong you might be.

That's not even to mention shit like dealing with cops or other aspects of the "justice" system, where if cops don't feel like you're respecting them enough then they can make your life miserable, or even just straight up kill you if they want. And if they get you in court you're at the judges mercy where he can decide what rights you have or don't on a whim, and if you complain then you can be arbitrarily imprisoned indefinitely for "contempt of court."

Americans are fake for lots of reasons, some of it cultural (like "Midwestern Nice"), but a lot of it is a matter of survival at this point.


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 No.410914[Reply]

An image beloved of both the internet right and the left. The worker. "Imagine going up to a worker", they say, "and saying what you've just said." Often they are specific: The steelworker, the tired coal miner, the teamster, etc. But one must ask: what does the worker of today look like?

This figure is everywhere, watching over us. We like this idea of the worker, he is pleasing to have around. He works a real job, a job that produces things. There is unfortunately a catch: A soldier is closer to a representation of the average western worker than he is. (Some quick numbers: US coal mines employ about 50,000 people. The US military has 480,000 soldiers.) No, if you want an image of the average worker today, you're looking at the other pictures. People with smartphones and Twitter accounts. People who'll talk your ears off about films, not good films like Blue Collar (1978), films like Black Widow (2021), which they don't even watch in photogenic cinemas - no, they watch them in bed on their laptops, or perhaps if they're still students then with a HDMI cable awkwardly slung from a precariously balanced MacBook Pro in the middle of their shared flats. They're not the people you wish were your dad, they're the people you went to school if you're not underaged. A disproportionate number of them have degrees. Or perhaps they're the old people, practically invisible to you now. The middle aged ones who sit watching daytime television. The unemployed. The people who get in your way at the supermarket, the people who sit beside you on the bus when you'd really rather be left alone listening to your spotify playlist.
They are not, by and large, "aesthetic". There is no gigantic repertoire of social realist art to look on that will make you appreciate the low paid social worker in her office tabbing through an excel sheet of case-work. No obvious visible end product from the care workers looking after forgotten retirees. Some think "after the revolution, I will be a miner", but who thinks "after the revolution, I will work in the [former] amazon warehouse."? And it is this force, this lack of a clear image in one's mind that is so pernicious. Without a clear image of the modern working class, people quickly fall back to their file photo - the working class of the days before everyone had a colour television.

So what? "Well", you think "First of all I object to your characterization, you haven't specifically highlighted…" yeah, great. TPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.413494

>>413471
>I just want to point out one thing, which has nothing to do with the truthiness of your claim about Ehrenreich, but with your method of talking online. You just lazily spread rumors about people based on vague impressions like people do on Twitter, and I find this irritating to no end. That the gamble worked out in this particular case is irrelevant.
Fair enough. I was pretty sure the Ehrenreichs classified nurses as PMC, but obviously I haven't read any of their work until just now so I should've read it before posting that. I wanna say that I don't really have a problem with the Ehrenreichs themselves. I think I disagree with some of their analysis but I think the PMC could be a useful category if you apply it carefully. And to their credit, they are pretty careful with emphasizing that nurses exist in a sort of gray area and that the line between worker and PMC isn't always clear. My problem is mainly with the people use the term defined by the Ehrenreichs in a sloppy, stupid way. Basically they use "PMC" as a pejorative for anyone with a university education and/or "socially progressive"/liberal views regardless of their actual class position.

>>413474
>Ehrenreich isn't completely stupid. I think in some ways the PMC is just a more modern and deeper analysis of what Marx and later Lenin called the labour aristocracy.
>The problem with PMC of course is that it very easilly starts to be applied to all work that requires a degree. Like calling nurses PMC is just bonkers.
Absolutely. When I first saw people use the term PMC it seemed like a useful concept to me. But very quickly I became annoyed with how the term was misused so much it became completely meaningless. For a while on stupidpol (don't know how it is now, I haven't checked in on that shithole in forever), "PMC" was just the word you used when you meant to call someone a "libtard" but you wanted to sound smart.
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 No.413500

>>413489
>le based recreational-suit-wearing cucker carlson devotees
wat
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 No.413511

>>413500
That was a shot at Groypers (and Caleb Maupin I guess). The point being, workers are pretty normal people who may have niche interests or may not, but they're definitely not soot-faced Appalachian miners.
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 No.413619

>>413474
Well that essay as whole was pretty confusing. I found the bit about lack of intermarriage between PMCs and the rest of the world interesting, that's certainly a point in favor of PMCs being a real thing. I don't think PMC / Labor Aristocracy and related concepts will ever have the explanatory strength of the division between on the one side the landlords and owners of the means of production and the workers on the other, nor do I believe PMC/LA will ever have the explanatory strength of just sorting by income level.
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 No.413861

>>413619
>I don't think PMC / Labor Aristocracy and related concepts will ever have the explanatory strength of the division between on the one side the landlords and owners of the means of production and the workers on the other
Fair. I prefer to talk about Labour Aristocrats, and I think they're best understood as an upper caste of labour that serve as the retinue of the owners and in tve case of media, the clergy of the state. The character of this caste is easilly grasped when you look at corrupt and de-fanged union bosses, for example. They may consider themselves Left, working class even, but ultimatelly they think tge ideal is a capitalist world in which the relations between the exploiters and the exploited is managed through a caste of enlightened technocrats such as themselves.


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 No.370918[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Well they gave it their best shot. Maybe World Cup will be the one. At least they still have cricket. Hopefully a riot breaks out right nor or something.
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 No.413030

>>407026
We need a paedogeddon 2.0, it would be even more relevant today
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 No.413767

>>370918
It’s tempting to see what his stomach would look like if you were to chop it off.
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 No.413813

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Labour about Peru
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 No.413848

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>>413813
why do blairites hate people with cool hats so much?


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 No.413807[Reply]

Which of these young ladies is best fit to seize the means of production with when the revolution comes to us?

Make your pick. Yes this is political
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 No.413808

IS COFFEE GOOD FOR YOU
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 No.413809

It's xandra for me
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 No.413810

Moved to >>>/b/121148.


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 No.377675[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Tv Senado 24h Pay-per-view edition

Last one got full

Melhor compilação dos atos circenses do executivo federal: https://medoedelirioembrasilia.wordpress.com/
Não inclui eventos nos picadeiros legislativo e executivo que não envolvem o executivo.

Narração em tempo real da CPI: https://twitter.com/camarotedacpi/
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 No.411623

>>410479
https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2021/07/29/incendio-atinge-galpao-da-cinemateca-brasileira-na-vila-leopoldina-zona-oeste-de-sp.ghtml
>De acordo com informações do Jornal Nacional, no prédio ficavam gravados 1 milhão de documentos da antiga Embrafilme, como roteiros, artigos em papel, cópias de filmes e documentos antigos. Alguns tinham mais de 100 anos e seriam usados na montagem de um museu sobre o cinema brasileiro.

Se algo disso estiver digitalizado, deve ser pouco, obviamente por conta do baixíssimo investimento nos últimos anos.

https://exame.com/brasil/cinemateca-pega-fogo-em-sp-local-guarda-acervo-audiovisual-brasileiro/
>Ao todo, há mais de 250.000 rolos de filme no acervo da instituição, muitos originais e sem cópia por serem muito antigos, mas parte do acervo não estava no prédio atingido hoje. O prédio principal da Cinemateca fica em outra região, na Vila Mariana.

>Há no acervo da Cinemateca material que vai de filmes e antigos programas de televisão a registros públicos brasileiros, como de ex-presidentes.

Tem uma possibilidade de nesse acervo estar a documentação da Força Expedicionária Brasileira na Segunda Guerra Mundial. Ironia é pouco.
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 No.411633

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>Chris Chan trending in Brazil
We memed too hard.
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 No.413466

>>409933
Porque? Biden é um capitalista muito mais nefasto e competente que o Trump
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 No.413647

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 No.413806

>>413647
VAI SEGURAR NA PIROCA DELE ATÉ O FIM!


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 No.412983[Reply]

Is it possible for them to unify into a single country. If so how?
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 No.413744

>>413484
Uhh Peru is much more indigenous and "eastern" than Chile. Uruguay, Argentina and Chile are more similar to each other, the latter being a bit more lonely still.
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 No.413749

>>413744
Based off what?

Argentina and Uruguay are like 90% white.

Chile is far closer to how Peru is than like them.
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 No.413784

>>413749
>Argentina and Uruguay are like 90% white.
And? I'm not referring entirely to race. Mapuche culture and traditions are basically extinct in urban Chile, while Peru has a big countryside and Catholic/Incan traditions kept alive there.
The only difference Chile has with Argentina and Uruguay is our accent and that we lack italian surnames.
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 No.413793

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Is it true that all carribean people are black or mixed race?
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 No.413797

>>413793
No. Cuba is mostly huwhite. There is also a very small Indigenous minority in Eastern Cuba and Dominica


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 No.398745[Reply]

Where the actual fuck is any kind of mathematical theory describing marginalist theory?

The supply/demand chart supposedly allows us to derive prices from two combining sources: the supply of a product and the demand for that product.

Let us take this notion seriously.

Supply is going to necessarily going to be in some kind of quantity of a commodity. Ounces of gold, pounds of wheat, individual toys, tools, furniture. Whatever.

Price is going to be expressed in some monetary unit. Dollars, yuan, etc. Therefore, in order to get the proper units to convert, demand must be a unit of "dollars per commodity" so that the units cancel properly.

How does one determine what the current value of the "dollars per commodity" variable is? You can not determine this from the sale price because then you are circularly defining the price from the demand and the demand from the price. What is measured to resolve this?

Since supply and demand are expressed as curves, these curves have to have their own functions. How are they derived? Since supply and demand both have curves that cross both the "quantity" axis and the "price" axis, they're both inherently reliant on the price itself in the definition of their functions.

How the actual fuck is this even supposed to work out from a unit cancellation rigor standpoint?
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 No.413110

>>413108
> In socialism without competitive pressure this should be ensured through political process.

How will the state determine what has use value and what doesn’t
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 No.413117

>>413110
voting by representative samples of potential consumers
replace voting with your vallet with just voting
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 No.413143

>>413104
Depends on "uselessness" of the jobs. Also, including the unnecessary jobs would increase the labor time average.

The SNLT measurement is not a bare-minimum hypothetical to get some product out and sold. Jobs that are tangentially related to production and distribution but not actually needed for the final product can be seen as a form of waste inherent to the system. There are plenty of other forms of waste that are obviously going to be included as a form of production losses, and so to can it be with someone's entire job.
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 No.413717

>>412669
>What do you not get about capitalist competition driving the socially necessary labour time to produce a given commodity down?
It doesn't always. Take for example when capitalists phase out environmentally harmful products. When they do that voluntarily, they are usually moving to techniques that require more labour.

>>413099
>>413007
>Things happen whether society agrees on them or not.
Marxists exclude inefficient techniques from SNLT, but they still happen.
Suppose you have factory A that requires 3 hours to make a product and factory B that requires 2 hours to make a product. The products are the same. You would say SNLT is 2 hours, even if factory A is making products with 3 hours of labour.

Suppose there is factory C that requires 1 hour to make a product, but it releases pollution. Both factories B and C are making products and some consumers buy from C, some buy from B because of the pollution. Marxists can't decide whether SNLT is now 1 hour or 2.
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 No.413791

>>413717
>It doesn't always. Take for example when capitalists phase out environmentally harmful products. When they do that voluntarily, they are usually moving to techniques that require more labour.
Which is to assist in the realization of profits, and they rarely do it by their own volition. A SNLTstill exists regardless.
>Marxists exclude inefficient techniques from SNLT, but they still happen.
Marxists don't exclude inefficiencies, they jus river time are phased out.
>Suppose you have factory A that requires 3 hours to make a product and factory B that requires 2 hours to make a product. The products are the same. You would say SNLT is 2 hours, even if factory A is making products with 3 hours of labour.
>Suppose there is factory C that requires 1 hour to make a product, but it releases pollution. Both factories B and C are making products and some consumers buy from C, some buy from B because of the pollution. Marxists can't decide whether SNLT is now 1 hour or 2.
SNLT is in aggregate you fag. It doesn't take the faster producing industry as the SNLT, it accounts for all production in within the industry. That's why if one industry adopt more efficient practices, it drops the SNLT overall. In the 2 and 3 hours example, the SNLT would be situated somewhere right between them.


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 No.405024[Reply]

what went wrong with california exactly?
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 No.408174

>>407446
The Midwest is chill tho, it be mad eassy to get sex n shit, their is less of a labor movement because real income is higher
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 No.408407

>>407256
understandable since LA+sprawl take up so much of the southern half of california
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 No.408541

>>405024
What went right?
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 No.411096

Reagan.
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 No.413788

>>408407
Just visited some family in LA, as an Easterner, seeing the sprawl was light shocking


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 No.409511[Reply]

Stop it, even Castro hated those faggots. They always had been funded by imperial-core and there are proofs for that
I live in Turkey and those bastards did nothing for leftism at southeast; they didn't make any labor-strike, they didn't spread communism to youth, they didn't make anything for causes like secularism or feminism. What they only did was tricking* the kurdish youth (where they use them as a tool, many of them becomes regretful) and doing terrorıst attacks against civillians, mostly proletariat. They didn't make any attack against our bourgeoisie, while orgs like DHKP-C were literally kidnapping them and killing them at live*(or similar attacks).They did nothing but made racial-relations worse and created an schizoism for nationalism at there, while some of them were literal ultranationalists which called theirselves "Aryan". They made communism's optics really bad, where being anarchist/communist literally means being a (,anti-civillian) terrorıst and you need to say "i'm a communist but not support them" to the people. Those faggots are getting their money from dirty places, such as drugs/prositituon*/gunrunning/human trafficking, which damages the proletariat
Now those son of a bitches flamed 23 forests at there. I'm not saying they killed civillians, they burned the forests with the animals inside. When they were fucking pro-ecology? They literally burned up entire forests and killed a lot of animals while many of proletariat had lose their houses and jobs. HOW IS IT FUCKING RELATED TO LEFTISM, ESPECİALLY FOR ECOLOGY?!
HOW KILLING ANIMALS AND BURNING FORESTS ARE COMMUNIST?!
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 No.413653

>>409565
What's your source for the PKK being behind this? I thought the evidence pointed to ISIL
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 No.413681

>>411516
>A western ML moment
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 No.413726

>>409511
Anon do you support Uyghur independence?
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 No.413780

>I live in Turkey

stopped reading there
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 No.413781

What did maoists like Kaypakkaya think about the Kurds? What was their fix for the Turkish-Kurd conflict?


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