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 No.402740[Reply]

I know this is supposed to be non-sectarian, but I have noticed a serious problem with this board that is either going to eat it up and doom it to irrelevancy or at least be acknowledged and worked on. There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible by engaging in behavior like saying anyone to the left of stalin is just an idealist, or going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist.

I will preface this by saying I've met many principled ML's here who have very solid principles and criticisms of modern politics, but it seems all too common that they're willing to deny that these edgy and terminally online faux socialists are polluting this place with their dogmatism. This is especially manifested by the constant hatred thrown at groups like anarchists and leftcoms who are supposedly included in left unity, but even in the most basic threads outside of USSR or China worship, these people are constantly shat all over as not real leftists.
I don't want this board to become an ideological hugbox, and I enjoy the discourse between different leftist groups, but the fact that obviously mentally ill people dominate the board and get free reign to shit on people that should be considered comrades under the guise of non-sectarianism is seriously killing this place.

This is coming from the bottom of my heart, I really want to see leftypol be something better, but it's really disillusioning when you're relentlessly shat on and called a radlib or anarkiddie for criticizing anything about the hivemind of this board.

tl;dr anarchists and leftcoms are comrades too, and it's really hard to agree with left unity when they're constantly shat on
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 No.404411

I'd agree in part, but it doesn't have much to do with "tankies" as such. A lot of online political discourse is essentially empty. People conform to the apparently dominant set of values on a forum, and disguise themselves as if they know something by reinforcing these values. "Marxism-Leninism" is just the latest disguise in a series of disguises by the know-nothings that make up a large part of the culture of online Marxism. Even telling them to read a book is the wrong strategy, because they too often end up over-valuing the one book they've read in years, supposing they read it at all.

Otherwise, I'd agree with >>402818 and take the point further. "Left" and "leftist" mean very little. The labels are most often used to describe positions in the culture war. In "leftist culture" online, they're frequently employed by people wishing to imply some "commonality" between "us" as "leftists," that we're all "fundamentally on the same side."

This rhetorical strategy can be used nefariously by progressive liberals intending to position themselves as political "realists" against socialists as mere "idealists," claiming to be making the "practical leftist choice" as opposed to the "impractical leftism" of the supposed idealists. In short, it becomes a way to disguise differences in principles as differences in practices, individual moral differences rather than political differences. This is also how you get hundreds of videos and essays sincerely talking about the "leftist case" for some bourgeois politician or political party.
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 No.404414

The inability and/or unwillingless for the Marxist-Leninists and other dedicated socialists here to distinguish and either correct or expel genuine tankies in their midst is disturbing and is a sign of just how uncritical most leftists actually are.
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 No.404432

>>404414
>Le radlib wants anons to cancel other anons.
the fuck do you want.
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 No.404442

>>404432
Good point, thanks for reminding me that Marx was a radlib who was steeped in #cancelculture.
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 No.404493

>>404442
Karlmilla Marx was a strong independant black woman.

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 No.394544[Reply]

I wanna understand how that site descended from an obscure mostly liberal imagebboard that could discuss politics with a varied amount of humor to a cesspit of botting, bait and shill posting that's actually more popular than most communities on reddit with a userbase that's so politically 1 sided that it feels like only 1 or a few like minded people browse and run the entire site. Around 70% the catalog of /pol/ in it's current state is anti vax propaganda and the rest is almost exclusive to id/pol/ faggotry, how did that place reach this point and is it possible for them to recover?
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 No.397971

>>394544
Nuke the website, hang everyone who posted atleast 50 times.
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 No.397974

>Whats wrong with /pol/?
Stormfront.
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 No.404204

theres no way to save that board at this point it needs to be axed and have anyone that browsed it forcibly removed from the internet, I just got back from using it and I made 1 post stating that 4chan users weren't /pol/s personal army and that they shouldnt keep having seizures when someone has an opinion that deviates from the norm to just 1 anon and got met with a shitstorm of autistic stormfags whining and bitching, another instance was when i called out an anon from making an incel bait thread and predicted that it would derail into a woman bad thread just before a porn thread gets uploaded and what was worse wasnt the fact that my prediction was right but the replies that showed open pride in the boards degeneracy and blatant displays of stupidity. That boards male tumblr
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 No.404263

>>404255
Seethe & Cope /pol/ you will never be a man, grow a chin.
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 No.404265

>>404204
They're so easily triggered that it's funny to post stuff to see how many (you's) you can get. But be kinda subtle about it and don't use a meme flag. I'm just a patriotic guy who thinks we should have a system over here like what they have over in China where a centralized political party subordinates capital to the interests of the people!

And then people freak out. It's amazing.

>>404255
If you want to call it thinking.

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 No.404163[Reply]

Germany got a leader that believed the proper response to a war that killed 15 million people and led to multiple economic crashes all over Europe was the senseless mass slaughter of other europeans and the entire planet and he would go on to trigger a war that would come to kill 60 million people leading to even more economic disasters, multiple human rights violations and a flu outbreak, that same leader was a documented sex offender and now several decades after that horrific event in history broke out a bunch of virgins and druggies in their teens and 20s would go on to worship that bloodthirsty lunatic and commit acts of domestic terrorism often times again towards other europeans as a means of protesting their extremist views hoping to trigger another war that will leave millions dead and potentially 100s of millions of lives ruined….
Now that I'm thinking about how the alt right formed I'm not even angry I'm just confused
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 No.404241

>>404239
Alright
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 No.404245

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Holy shit they really are privileged brats
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 No.404246

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>>404237
I don't know how I feel about psychologizing or medicalizing people because of their politics but so many of these people – and definitely the guy I knew – fits the definition of "oppositional defiance disorder." It's not even really "authoritarian" really. It's like seeking out trouble and wanting to be punished and drawing a swastika on my homework to freak my teacher out or whatever. YOU CAN'T STOP ME. YOU WON'T SHUT ME UP. RAAAAGH.

That's probably a big chunk of people who get into neo-Nazi stuff.
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 No.404249

>muh heckin based trad wiferino has been stolen from me by the feminisms, better shoot up a shopping mall
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 No.404250

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>>404245
Spencer literally comes from millionaire cotton plantation money or something ridiculous. He grew up in a very posh part of North Dallas called Park Cities, I think. It's where the old money, bankers and hedge fund people, corporate executives live. Mark Cuban. Laura and George W. Bush live there.

He had a career track into being a conservative magazine editor but went Nazi fash. Different type than the angry skinhead teens who look up to people like him.

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 No.402111[Reply]

Good working conditions and innovation have been proven to produce more material wealth at a faster rate than simply working longer hours, a society should strive to maintain a standard work week of no more than 40 hours and invest heavily in technology, henceforth an individual person should avoid working beyond 40 hours like the plague and seek promotions or education if working hours start climbing to a point where they work beyond 40 hours or need to take on multiple jobs to avoid work induced stress and fall into drug addiction. No self respecting man should have to enslave themselves to put food on the table every night nor should have to work their whole lives and neglect important things like family community and country
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 No.404078

>>402124
>The neoliberal wagie mind
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 No.404082

>>404073
wheers the lie
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 No.404084

>>402124
you're a cuck bitch uyghur
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 No.404085

>>404084
lol seethe
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 No.404221

>>402124
>40 hours isnt hard work
cope
>Hard work is putting yourself out there as much as possible
cope
>Saving your money, spending it wisely
money is a spook
>Lazy=homeless
Hard work=success
100% youd be a Union scab, or are

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 No.403988[Reply]

How is Socialism supposed to be fair? How could it possibly distribute limited goods and services rationally and fairly? Take Caviar for instance, it's a food product with a limited amount of production. Under Socialism, who gets Caviar? You can't possibly distribute and ration a "fair" amount to everybody in a country can you? Who gets Caviar first? Who doesn't get Caviar? Is this fair?

How would Socialism go about making Caviar fair?
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 No.404139

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>>404019
It's not even the most narcissistic shit OP could've posted.
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 No.404140

>>404139
These people will be shot on national TV when the revolution comes.
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 No.404210

>>403988
its not, I don't care, if Xi pays me to outline the Antarctic then it will be fair for me
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 No.404761

>>404015
Based
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 No.405043

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>>403988
Socialists make caviar cheap and affordable to everyone while western caviar eaters screech at them, both USSR and China, for making caviar non-elite food. Funny how it works - while under communism, caviar was in every shop, and everybody preferred fish meat, but now, under capitalism, russians just don't consume caviar almost ever, it's all artificial caviar because there's proletarian culture rituals centered around caviar, but proles can't afford real caviar.

Regarding other points: simply removing capitalists and other parasites from the equation vastly improves distribution of goods in an economy. Not letting financial retards like bitcoin miners or cryptofags to even exist will improve the economy significantly.

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 No.394284[Reply]

What the fuck happened to this place?

I visited this board a few years ago and was totally put off by the retarded leftist talking points. All the radfem, transhumanist shit, black people worship, orange man bad, white peepo bad, etc etc just turned me off. It seemed like an ultra retarded, neo-lib echo chamber. As a result I never really checked this place out too much because my first impression with it was so bad. For whatever reason, a thread on /pol/ got me lurking here a few days ago and I was blown away by the transformation that's happened. Suddenly this place now despises all the neo-lib retardation, and is woke about idpol being used as a weapon to stop people from uniting. There's actual intelligent discussion. There's people with actual enlightened opinions on the shit going down now.

Why/how did this transformation come about? Did leftists suddenly become based? Or did old-school /pol/acks just become woke? I haven't been following any politics very much for the past few years because I was busy getting my degree. Can someone give me a qrd?
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 No.396854

>>394646
found the yuppie
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 No.396900

>>396854
brb gotta go tell the cashier with a bachelor's degree at the restaurant across the street working for $8.50/hour that she's a yuppie
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 No.398110

People here did use to be shitlibs but not THAT much lol
You can see Cat-alunya and the black in the logo
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 No.404195

>>394284
shut up retard. log off
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 No.404205

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>>394284
Simple: it became impossible to express dissenting opinions anywhere else.

Don't think mass migration is great for anyone but capitalists? Have your 10 billion downvotes on reddit. Think its possible that maybe one or two members of the African American community might not be ideal human beings in every conviable way? You are now fired from your job.

May the trend continue. Keep cutting through the propaganda and spread the good word that idpol was invented to divide us. Stop letting them tell you that victimhood is a virtue. Refuse to accept your place at the bottom of the hierarchy just because you don't have the right intersectional bingo card.

Fight for the worker's self-respect and dignity.

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 No.403391[Reply]

Leading Russian Communist politician Grudinin barred from running in election after ex-wife reveals hidden foreign investments
According to Gennady Zyuganov, the Communist Party leader, the decision to bar Grudinin is “illegal, unlawful and abnormal.” This is not the first time the controversial figure has been stopped from entering parliament. In 2019, following the death of MP Zhores Alferov, Grudinin was selected to replace him in the Duma. However, the CEC refused to admit him, citing his foreign bank accounts.
https://www.rt.com/russia/530252-grudinin-hidden-foreign-investments-scandal/

KKE: The increase in minimum wage a parody
“The increase-parody of the minimum wage is a ‘freeze’ – for another year – at the miserable levels, which were lowered by a government decision a decade ago, abolishing the national collective labour agreement. The government’s announcement is a challenge to the workers,” the Communist Party (KKE) underlined in a statement on Monday. … Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announced on Monday during a cabinet meeting that the minimum wage in Greece will increase by 2 percent.
https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/07/26/kke-increase-minimum-wage/

Sir Keir backs Dawn Butler but says Speaker who kicked her out ‘did the right thing’
The Brent Central MP was ejected from the chamber by stand-in speaker Judith Cummins on Friday after she twice refused to withdraw a remark that the Prime Minister had lied repeatedly to fellow MPs and the country. Ms Butler said that poor people have paid with their lives because the PM has been dishonest about his failure to handle the Covid-19 crisis. Parliamentary rules bar MPs from accusing each other of dishonesty.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/sir-keir-backs-dawn-butler-but-says-speaker-who-kicked-her-out-did-the-right-thing

Mexican president says Biden must "make decision" on Cuba embargo
"It is not conceivable that in tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.403446

>>403439
>"4% wage increases to employees in all job classifications over the two-year contract"
they got fucked in that deal
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 No.403448

How Cuba’s Communists Survived the Fall of the Soviet Union: AN INTERVIEW WITH EVEN SANDVIK UNDERLID
Before the July 11 protests, the last major display of public dissent in Cuba came in 1994, early in the “Special Period” of economic hardships following the collapse of the USSR. Since soon after the 1959 revolution, the Eastern Bloc countries had been important allies for Havana, but Mikhail Gorbachev’s 1980s reforms and then the USSR’s final crisis spelled trouble for Cuba at a time of defeats for the Left across Latin America. Yet the revolution survived — also proving that it had sunk deeper roots in society than Eastern Bloc governments. Even Sandvik Underlid is author of Cuba Was Different: Views of the Cuban Communist Party on the Collapse of Soviet and Eastern European Socialism, a study based on extensive interviews with members of the Cuban Communist Party (PCC) as well as a systematic examination of the party daily, Granma. He spoke to Jacobin’s David Broder about how Cuban media presented events in Eastern Europe, PCC members’ sense of Cuban “national specificity,” and the changes in the country since the Special Period.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/07/cuba-cuban-communist-party-revolution-july-protestspcc-granma-ussr-gorbachev-castro

Meet Toka, the Most Dangerous Israeli Spyware Firm You’ve Never Heard Of
This past Sunday, an investigation into the global abuse of spyware developed by veterans of Israeli intelligence Unit 8200 gained widespread attention, as it was revealed that the software – sold to democratic and authoritarian governments alike – had been used to illegally spy on an estimated 50,000 individuals. Among those who had their communications and devices spied on by the software, known as Pegasus, were journalists, human rights activists, business executives, academics and prominent political leaders. Among those targeted political leaders, per reports, were the current leaders of France, Pakistan, South Africa, Egypt, Morocco and Iraq. The abuse of Pegasus software in this very way has been known for several years, though these latest revelations appear to have gained such traction in the mainstream owing to the high number of civilians who have reportedly been surveilled through its use.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.403459

ty
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 No.403479

>>403391
>KPRF MP
<Investing in foreign assets
Russian people deserve more than opportunist boomers as their socialist leaders. Fuck this shit.
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 No.404114

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Thanks news anon

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 No.403671[Reply]

I'm confused about unions. Why do they need to vote from workers to unionize? Why can't they just have a group of people get together and organically negotiate a wage with management? I mean why even call it a union?

If I'm a welder and I'm out drinking with the other workers can I just say "hey everyone let's all agree to have one guy argue for us to the boss to end "certain policy" and if they don't then we will strike" would such a thing be illegal under current American law? Why don't more people do that?
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 No.403843

>>403784
Have you tried to get these other guys on board? If there is already a few of you things just became a lot easier.
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 No.403905

>>403843
This was mostly in the past I'm unemployed cause of covid and then just hung around using up my savings. I was just wondering if it's even legal because they always have news where union votes fail and I'm like why do they have to vote? What laws govern this?
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 No.403907

>>403905
Well this is the other part, anti union laws make you jump through these hoops
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 No.403912

>>403781
This, communism, like unions, has never worked.
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 No.403921

>>403905
> I was just wondering if it's even legal because they always have news where union votes fail and I'm like why do they have to vote? What laws govern this?

It depends on the state, especially if they're so-called "right to work" states. But broad strokes, it's stuff like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act

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 No.393887[Reply]

There is almost 0 organizational discussion. There is no tactical discussion: what do now?

One of the most important things is organizing. This can be done by action for shorter workday same wage. You do not even have to mention communism while discussing this. I mean, if a workers do not understand communism and you can't convince him, it does not mean he is not proletariat.

There is very little discussion of this tactics. If there is any, it is superficial.

Most of the discussion on marxism and history of USSR, etc, but there is very little if any, action.

You can popularize short workday (same wage, not lower wage!) by printing posters and gluing them, etc. I do not know, that is the point, to understand something and act.
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 No.402905

>>402590
Solution: drug dealing
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 No.403146

>>402590
Anyone can agitate, write essays, videos, comment on the net, organize to make the message visible. Distribute material to workers, etc. The funding will be useful for publishing in a popular journal, for example, but this is not a roadblock.

Shorter workday is beneficial for unemployed, so they can participate too.
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 No.403269

I'm reading the book, Free time, by Hunnicutt. The book can be found on libgen. I've jumped to 8 section Less time -> full employment.

Did you know that up to 1956 the movement for shorter workday was wide? Some factories working 6 hours/day. Freedom was seen as less working hours, more free time.

After 1956, government begun pushing for more job, more work, high GDP growth. They used rhetoric such as high GDP growth mean less unemployment. Communists and cold war blah blah, work more. Some of the Union leaders who before that were for shorter workday, begun saying things like: you can work 6 hours/day, but less food.
None true obviously, easy to show.
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 No.403299

>>402590
Why not both? I've got some friends running businesses and some friends running gun ranges.
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 No.403870

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Ok, I did not get a reply from r/communism mods, I've asked them what rule I broke. So I wrote this (at the bottom) in r/socialism (not the same moderators as in r/communism) and my thread was deleted.

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Organizing for shorter workday, no wage cut, how can I help?

I'm not a worker, I would like to help the movement towards shorter workday (no wage cut). What can I do?

Since I'm not a worker, I decided to do agitation on the internet and may be print and glue posters at public transport, or where it is legal. Am I at the right direction?

For someone new, like myself:

How many hours required? From productivity growth, 4 hours/day, may be less.

I do not see this as a policy but as workers organizing at work place, demanding less hours without wage cut; how to do this depend on the country labor laws.

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 No.403198[Reply]

We should have a thread talking about the greatest soldiers, generals, and military leaders of the worker's cause. There are plenty to talk about Zhukov, Tukhachevsky, Che, but my personal contribution would be August Willich "The Reddest of the Red", a revolutionary leader from the 1848 revolutions, specifically the Baden-Palatinate uprising where Engels served as his aides-de-camp. He was also the leader of the "left faction" of the communist internationale, for many years he was a fierce enemy of Marx (dueling one of his disciples and nearly killing him) but his immigration to the US allowed their relationship to improve. During the Civil War he recruited many German radicals for the union army and became a colonel of the First German and later was made a Brigadier General. He was even wounded during the Atlanta Campaign at the battle of Resaca. To Willich, the civil war had become a revolutionary war and that defeated the CSA and ending slavery would create a massive social revolution in the US that could lead to socialism. IMO had the radical republicans capitalized on their victory and had Johnson not become president then Willich may very well had been correct in seeing the potential of Socialism in the USA. What revolutionary warrior do you most respect?
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 No.403492

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Oh, I come from Alabama with a banjo on my knee!
Going to Louisiana, my true love for to see
It rained all night the day I left, the weather it was dry
The sun so hot I froze to death, Susannah don't you cry
Oh Susanna! Oh don't you cry for me!
For I come from Alabama with a banjo on my knee!

I had a dream the other night, when everything was still
I thought I saw Susannah dear a-comin' down the hill
A red red rose was in her hand, a tear was in her eye
I said I come from dixieland, Susannah don't you cry!
Oh Susannah! Oh, don't you cry for me!
For I come from Alabama with a banjo on my knee
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 No.403528

>>403253
Retard I literally praised a union general in my post. It's just a slightly ironic name to denote that I am from the most cursed region of the most cursed country
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 No.403534

>>403253
Wasn't really looking for some kraut faggot
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 No.403617

anyone got the guy who ran around with axes decapitating nazis?
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 No.403632

>>403376
ok anglo and??

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