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 No.198097[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A general thread for all South Asian related discussion.
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 No.391923

We're counting on you, Indian comrades.
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 No.392047

>>391923
China considers Taiwan to be a part of China. This goes way back to a long standing rivalry. The communist party of China and the KMT fought for power in China, the CPC won and the KMT became an impotent exile government in Taiwan that for a very long time declared to be datruetrue government of a larger China which consisted of the Chinese mainland and Taiwan. The KMT has lost this battle and the government position in Taiwan since then, and officially Taiwan is considered to be something like an autonomous region in China. Unofficially Taiwan is still treated like a mostly sovereign country.

When Japan talks about defending Taiwan, that would be like Mexico saying it intends to defend Texas against the US government, in case Texas wanted to revamp the Confederacy. The comparison is bad but the US would understand such a statement like Mexico threatening to declare war against the US. And that is exactly how China sees the Japanese statements about defending Taiwan.

If you consider the History between Japan an China, where preWW2 imperial Japan was ruthlessly occupying big parts of China for the better part of a century, it's very unsurprising that Chinese officials might have let say "rude reactions" to potential Japanese "involvement".

The other part is that Japan was on the loosing side of WW2 and conditions for it's surrender was that Japan wasn't allowed to engage in warfare. China was part of the winning side and technically China could treat this as Japan violating the conditions of their surrender in WW2.

Regardless where you stand on the Taiwan question, Japanese officials are morons of the highest order for spraying gasoline on the fire, they are not making China rethink it's position on Taiwan, they are making China rethink it's military positions towards Japan. All they did is poison diplomatic relations.
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 No.408328

>>389384
>What is their real reason for not wanting it
There isn't any geopolitical advantage in it, those places are full of people who hated the idea of India so much that they wanted to secede to their own Islamic nation. Anyone wanting this weird "united greater India" or whatever is probably profoundly mentally ill.


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 No.407061[Reply]

Do bourgeois revolutions actually exist? What is their function?
If they're driven by the bourgeoisie, they're redundant. The bourgeoisie had been growing on their own terms, self-reproducing, without any revolution required. The revolution wouldn't free anything but would be an expression of an already completed change.
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 No.407869

>>407069
Damn straight. The entire thing was literally set up by the Colonial American bourgeoisie.
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 No.407875

>>407074
Maybe next time you spout these >read a book memes you could give some reference and context about what the book is about and how it is relevant to OPs question.
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 No.407955

Bourgeois/democratic revolutions just more or less marks a mass victory or controlled adoption of capitalistic relations. It is more progressive in terms of social development than feudalism.

To put this in a materialist perspective, productive relations aren't universal and I like to visualize them happening in patches around the world. From there, maybe you can see why they are redundant in some places, but in others they are revolutionary.
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 No.408087

I don't have time to leave a detailed response so I'll just drop Neil Davidson's (RIP) magisterial book on the subject, How Revolutionary were the Bourgeois Revolutions?

TL;DR: bourgeois revolutions were never driven by the bourgeoisie proper, but rather the petite (small) bourgeoisie, at first in the traditional sense as small shopkeepers and farmers, then later after 1848 by the petty bourgeois intelligentsia carrying out "passive revolutions" from within the old state bureaucracy. As a devoted Cliffite / UK SWP member, Neil Davidson claims that 20th century socialist revolutions also fit into that latter category because they ultimately only led to "state capitalism". That last claim is questionable IMO, but overall the book is still well worth reading.
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 No.408145

>>408087
I think it is fair (having not read that particular book) just because I think those revolutions tended to look like hijacked liberal/bourgeois revolutions. Bourgeois revolutions still often involved working class or peasant agitation, it’s just that the alternative power base to noble privilege was in commerce and property relations among “political equals” or “citizens”, in the terms of liberal ideology. Since a lot of the successful socialist revolutions were in either colonies or nations like Russia (still had a central monarchy), they often involved either explicit compromises or power disputes with petit-bourgeois elements that were effectively trying to have liberal revolutions. I think that context really skewed how a lot of those revolutions developed. They ended up being like aborted liberal revolutions, constantly struggling to not be liberal revolutions while being eaten alive by often having many features of them. I wouldn’t consider myself a “stageist” necessarily, but the socialist revolutions often looked like they were fighting a losing battle against some historical inertia that was pushing them from their more “backwards” context into liberalism.


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 No.407796[Reply]

So anons I was thinkin that what the left needs is a movement similar to the right's tea party movement.

The tea party was the predecessor to Trump's platform, where libertarians and progressive republicans were all funneled into fascism. It was the perfect republican revivalism that created the conditions for Donald Trump to win. So if we want our own Donald Trump to win, say Bernie Sanders or someone else, we can't simply expect to win. We HAVE to create a platform to facilitate it.

A lot of you may say that the DSA is the fringe tea party of the left and the left has already seen a fringe change.
If that's true, I think we need another one. Something that can funnel liberals and socialists into a new ideological platform. What could that be?

Anons post your thoughts
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 No.407972

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I think the modern left needs a movement similar to the Wide Awakes
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 No.408010

>>407940
how could you possibly think I was proposing something reactionary.

Use your imagination. Something similar to the tea party doesn't mean exactly the same thing


This is why the left gets nowhere.
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 No.408021

>>408010
t. subjective idealist
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 No.408055

>>408010
Go organize your community or join a union and do something constructive instead of obsessing over aesthetic larp groups.

The (online) "left" gets nowhere because it's too wrapped up in its little solipsistic meme war to bother impacting the real world. What does "Leftist Tea Party" even mean, a bunch of hooting retards wearing tricorn hats but for Bernie Sanders? How and why would you even start something like this, especially given it wouldn't have the backing of libertarian billionaires. That's why I'm saying, fuck this stupidpol-esque aesthetic nonsense. We just need a functioning socialist party.
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 No.408092

>>407831
That's even worse than the DSA.


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 No.407084[Reply]

I'm a newcomer when it comes to leftism, and I love Wikipedia at the same time. I can't bear reading articles on Marx like those on Marxists.org, nor books on Marxism. What I liked are news articles and Wikipedia, a remnant of the now-defunct independent self.

My question to you guys is, is Wikipedia a good source for leftism-related topics?

Opinions, discussions, resources, recommendations welcome.
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 No.407744

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>Wikipedia
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 No.408040

>>407349
Indonesia's Communications Minister
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 No.408044

>>407385
Oh. Thanks! I'll just read it instead.
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 No.408047

>>407486
Oh! Are those analyses made by true leftists are just neolib larpers who mistook their ideology with leftism?
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 No.409043

>>407198
>RT, Sputnik, CGTN or the Grayzone have no issues in their relationship to the truth
hum, not anymore than MSM US outlets thats for sure, especially grayzone. streching the truth ? Have you never read a standard MSM geopolitcal article ? what hypocrisy.


>>407208
>But there's a method to the madness
nobody denies that, just that this method is heavily lib, pro US, and pro statu quo, and as such is a garbage source of information for anything politically controversial. Literally the only sources allowed are part of the US war machines, including when they've been debunked, I dunno how can anyone defend that shit methodology


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Mexico president: Sending fuel cargo for Cuba is their sovereign decision
Mexico’s president asserted his country’s right to send fuel to Cuba and said on Tuesday that U.S. sanctions on the island were “inhumane,” after a diesel cargo shipped by Mexico’s state-run oil company Petroleos Mexicanos arrived in Cuba’s Havana port.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mexico-president-sending-fuel-cargo-cuba-sovereign-decision-rcna1533

Julian Assange stripped of citizenship by Ecuador
Ecuador has revoked the citizenship of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks who is currently in a British prison. Ecuador’s justice system formally notified the Australian of the nullity of his naturalisation in a letter that came in response to a claim filed by the South American country’s foreign ministry.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jul/28/julian-assange-stripped-of-citizenship-by-ecuador

Chile seeks to establish access to water as a right
The proposal seeks to establish the essential right to water, give legal security to the exercise of the human right of access to drinking water and sanitation, and reaffirm the nature of public use of water. Likewise, one of its goals is to establish new regulations for the concession, use and suspension of water use rights and to provide protection for its preservation in land ecosystems.
https://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=69966&SEO=chile-seeks-to-establish-access-to-water-as-a-right

Kurds protest in front of US consulate in Berlin against Turkish invasion
The activists who protested the invasion attacks of the Turkish state against Zap, Avaşin and Metina regions carried banners that read “America, do not be a part of the occupation”, “No pasaran for Dictator Erdogan, time has come for Öcalan’s Freedom!” and “Stand up together against fascism and occupation, defend Kurdistan together”.
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 No.407398

Mexico's right wingers are SEETHING hard because AMLO is helping Cuba.
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 No.407417

Gonna do an opposite boycott where I eat a shit load of Ben and jerries
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 No.407426

TrueAnon:Episode 170: Gretchen
Almost every so-called terror attack “foiled by the FBI” in the USA is fake—and the plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer was, too. We also talk snitches and bullshit.
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/gretchen

Aducanumab: The Drug That Breaks Medicare?
In my previous posts, I haven’t talked too much about the price set for aducanumab. Since I think it should not have been approved on current evidence regardless of price, the approval has been my focus. But of course the price is an issue, especially given that there is a HUGE pool of potential patients and that most are probably Medicare age, meaning that this drug can have huge impacts on Medicare costs. Before and after approval, there was speculation that this “potentially zillion-dollar moneymaker” (as Sharon Begley called itin October 2019) might be the most lucrative drug ever. Last November it was noted that if it brought in even a fraction of potential patients, it could still realistically be a $60 billion/year drug, changing Biogen’s revenue picture dramatically. Taking a high-side estimate of $110 billion/year, Nicholas Bagley and Rachel Sachs speculated in The Atlantic that Aduhelm could be the drug that breaks Medicare, given that that cost exceeds total current Part D medication expenses of $90 billion dollars. Even at a much lower total, Aduhelm’s costs would still balloon Medicare costs and would exceed the total NASA budget of $23 billion. Regardless of the exact total, the hit to Medicare would be big.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/aducanumab-the-drug-that-breaks-medicare.html

Chris Hedges: The Price of Conscience
Daniel Hale, a former intelligence analyst in the drone program for the Air Force who as a private contractor in 2013 leaked some 17 classified documents about drone strikes to the press, was sentenced today to 45 months in prison. The documents, published by The Intercept on October 15, 2015, exposed that between January 2012 and February 2013, US special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. For one five-month period of the operation, according Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.407987

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Thanks news anon
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 No.408012

>>407366
How long until he gets couped


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 No.377351[Reply]

What is the theoretical basis for hating fascism more than liberal capitalism? I mean all the really matters is the material conditions not the bullshit in peoples heads so why are we so concerned with whether fascism or liberalism is in power.

To be clear I'm not a fascist but I'm just confused with why tf almost all socialist agitation and talk seems to be about beating a dead ideology? Are we just scrapping it out for second place?
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 No.407305

>>377351
Most people don't become leftist because of meaningful change in economic beliefs, they just became more invested in anti-racism, trans-right, or other ID-pol issues.
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 No.407754

>>407638
Thank for volunteering as an example
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 No.407789

>>407767
Which particular set of ID-pol mad you change your mind?


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 No.402245[Reply]

What are /leftypol/'s financial end goals? You can't stay working class forever, eventually you will not be able to work anymore and then what will you do? You need passive income, and the only way to achieve that is by being a poor lumpen or a big business owner.
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 No.407145

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>You can't stay working class forever,
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>>403978
>>406348
Never heard of a polycule before. I just looked it up and wow, I think it's based! Good on you, YPG-flag.

I love it because it reminds me a lot of network theory as a Math Analysis/Operations Research major.
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 No.407265

>>407252
>soliloquy
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 No.407328

>>407037
Any plans on achieving that? asking for a friend
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 No.407413

>>406808
How did i use the word incorrectly?


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 No.407197[Reply]

Keep hearing about how Zionism is the cause of the war in syria and how Iran, Syria and other anti imperialist struggles around the arab world are actually struggles against Zionism. Why? What's Israel got to do with those? What's their interest in the arab world and middle east except Palestine?
What's the end game of Zionism? What's their objective?
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 No.407290

>>407197
>What's the end game of Zionism?
A massive jewish state from Damascus to Medina superior in everything to its neighbours
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 No.407362

It's a way for cryptofash to deflect attention from their own imperialist bourgeois rulers who created and arm Israel. Without NATO support Israel could not exist.
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 No.407367

>imperialist
Literally has no definition and is just a buzzword at this point.
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 No.407381

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>>407367
>Literally has no definition and is just a buzzword at this point.
Stop being retarded.


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 No.407105[Reply]

I dont know why I had to learn this after so many years of my life but literally all cities smell like rancid dog shit that had vomit poured onto it and then got fed to a dog that shat out that shit. The smell of 100s of thousands to millions of urbanites that are all cooming,shitting(and sometimes in public), pissing,fucking each other, murdering each other and doing drugs all adds up to an aroma one could not possibly fathom the fumes of without having to the inhale the borderline mustard gas like substance that's found in the air supply of most cities, that doesnt even get in to the rampant STDs contracted in them that's caused by the amount of industrial pollution coupled with the rampant prostitution and public forms of sex like night clubs meaning if you decide to spend your time contracting herpes while spending your time in the abhorrent mistakes that was industrial cities and dont come out smelling like you got vomited on by school kids your fucking lucky. Now I wish it ended at just awful smells and STDs but then theres pollution, SO MUCH TRASH AND POLLUTION it's so bad that rivers and lakes within china and india have algae growing in them and dead bodies being found floating on those once clean sectors of mother earth, theres so much pollution and waste found in most cities to the point where there are reports of the bubonic plague being spread in cities like chicago and california, tuberculosis in fucking paris, malaria in sao paulo and more in supposedly developed sectors of earth, cities are so FUCKING disgusting and desperately need to be purged and reformed into something that doesnt resemble a jungle filled with animals competing over who can destroy the environment the fastest holy fuck, if you move into a city please wear a mask or get a towel and wrap it around your mouth and nose
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 No.407334

>>407234
>Humans are meant to live in small villages not cities
before the industrial revolution villages didn't have sewage systems so OP would still not be happy with the smell
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 No.407365

>>407234
"The Villages" was literally an anglo-fascist cultural invention that was meant to serve the role of creating a cultural ideology for British nationalism in the early 20th century. Its all fake shit based on early 20th century middle class sensibilities. Funny to see "leftists" fall for it 100 years later.
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 No.407374

Moved to >>>/b/117512.


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 No.405460[Reply]

Turks have taken in millions of syrian and afghan refugees while Kenya has also taken in millions of somali and afghan refugees, both countries are deploying troops in ongoing warfare and helping build safer communities while simultaneously being underdeveloped countries, europe is a continent with access to some of the best living standards and technology on the planet yet not only do they get easily taken over by even letting a few migrants in but also need to spend millions on border security, Europe's economy is primarily built off the exploitation of others predominantly of the 3rd world through outsourcing, destabilization of developing independent economies like libya, and having poorly paid migrants perform most of the major and minor tasks in mainland europe. If they get taken over by russia china or africa all I can say is holy fuck they deserve it
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 No.406601

>>406594
They're more likely to ally with China at this given point tbh.
>send them back to their homes
With what? Half of their homes are fucking destroyed you midwit. Unless you have plans to use the UN to help rebuild these places, this is a horrible solution.
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 No.406604

>>406601
Why not both?
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 No.406608

>>406601
>With what? Half of their homes are fucking destroyed you midwit.
Best way to deradicalize young men is to give them jobs in construction work. I worked for UN for a bit and these studies were part of the training.
>Unless you have plans to use the UN to help rebuild these places, this is a horrible solution.
UN weak because of the security council and geopolitical divides.
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 No.406611

>>406608
EU should pay it and so on. Its late here.
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 No.407308

>>405460
That by itself isn't that pathetic, just global north being what it is. What's pathetic is that EU is becoming politically irrelevant and self-obsessed while still believing in its superiority over everybody else. And no wonder since it's run by bankers and idealistic liberals, there's nobody with any political mastery whatsoever.


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