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 No.397393[Last 50 Posts]

Without trying to [blogpost] here, I just wanna say, that I first got introduced to PSL by reading Jodi Dean's books, and I wiki'd here up, and realized she's in a party called Party for Socialism and Liberation [PSL].

After that a few months passed and found out about RT.com's radio cast, titled sputnik.com. (Apparently the current capitalist Russian elite likes to name vaccines and radios like that – no comment, lol.)

My first impressions of "By Any Means Necessary" (the Puryear lead radio show on sputnik) was rather negative, since I thought that 1) the host was guilty of a stereotypical "black radical" attitude, best portrayed by Wonder Showzen, wherein a black hand puppet garbles regular words to sound more radical. https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=4668403

But then I saw him doing an speech at BLM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Iqr6ReUzo and holy shit, I realized that we have an actual orator amongst us.

After leaving Sputnik they set up this youtube show which is absolutely BANGERS. See their coverage of the fake shit reporting about muh uyghurs, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tCuZu_U9rk

If any Americo-burger is reading this OP, please, for the love of God, leave your fucking DSA chapter, and join PSL, because it is LITERALLY RIDDLED with based people like our comrade Eugene Puryear. Not to be racist, or anything, but if you are a MURRICAN and black/latino/native you have NO REASON to stay in DSA. The only ACTUALLY communist party that represents your interests is the mother fucking PSL.

You might go wiggling about your fucking minutia idiocy about how DSA gets more twitter coverage or whatever, but this is the reality: the ONLY party representing actual socialist and anti-imperialist ideas is the mother fucking PSL.

Now I shilled (as a non-burger) this party before for leftypol, and I've received the following typical comebacks:
>b-b-but they are authoritarian
EVERY. FUCKING. REVOLUTION. IS.
>b-b-b-but they take SIGNIFICANT membership dues
AS THEY SHOULD, YOU FUCKING LARPER!!!

DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT A FUCKING >COMMUNIST PARTY WILL THRIVE WITHOUT THE MONETARY COMMITMENT OF ITS MEMBERS UNDER CAPITALISM??????

ARE YOU RETARDED?!?!?!

Join PSL right now.

thx,

t. rest of the world
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 No.397399

>inb4 ima 'narchist and i'll remain with dsa
holy fucking shit, dude, just kill yourself
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 No.397400

I've met Eugene in person, too, he's very personable and that's a quality every orator needs.
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 No.397402

psl != ml. simping for revisionist parties in other countries doesn't make you a revolutionary lololololol
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 No.397404

Nah, I will join BLM instead, or even the Democrat party, that's where real revolutionaries are born.
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 No.397405

>>397402
you're right, that's why we should reject the PCP, Naxalites and every maoist movement, too.
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 No.397408

>>397400
bayesed

>>397402
troll somewhere else

>>397404
>i won't join a commie org, I'd rather smash stores
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 No.397409


>>397405
and in my experience, they have a vanguard. they take candidacy seriously so it's pretty difficult to get in. not sure where they are in purging trotskyite elements, but they're markedly different from the WWP.
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 No.397414

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>>397402
This man synthesized MLM 20 years before the RIM was even a thing and bascially Western "gonzaloists" are neo-Avakianite Third Positionist revisionists + useful idiot shocktroopers for US Empire.
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 No.397415

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>>397393
I only care about PSL because they managed to get more voots than Kanye making them more of a contender than any other gommie party atm
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 No.397416

>already off topic

seriously fuck you

join the PSL, the only actual commie anti-imperialist party

read fucking OP

if you are a burger with his INDIVIDUAL horseshit, we literally don't care

t. rest of the world
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 No.397423

>uhm, akshually I'm a burger tranz person and I wanna know about PSL's stance on…
>uhm, akshually I'm a burger ancom already part of DSA (lmao), and I need more info
>uhm, akshually I'm a burger AND
SHUT THE FUCK UP

JOIN THE ONLY FUCKING COMMUNIST PARTY THAT CARES ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE, THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND COMMUNISM.

HOLY SHET
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 No.397425

>>397423
The answer to the first green text is yes. They respect trans rights.
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 No.397428

>>397416
>join the PSL, the only actual commie anti-imperialist party

Eh, their political line is a weird deviation of marcyism and the kind of big tent left politics of the anti-globalist so I wouldn't call them "solidly marxist" although to be fair I haven't interacted with them in years & rusty when it comes to most USian nominally socialist groups.

They're good on anti-imperialist work though and they seem like decent people.

>JOIN THE ONLY FUCKING COMMUNIST PARTY THAT CARES ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE

Was agreeing with you up until this. Basically every single nominally socialist group in the US has adopted Sakaism & CRT wholesale. I can't think of a single group which hasn't, and yet people are still blabbering on about some kind of "white left". Every time I ask people to name these "white left" they either go silent or direct me to another group which accuses everybody else of being the "white left".
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 No.397429

>>397425
In face one of the first people I met was trans.
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 No.397430

>>397425
LITERALLY NOBODY (99.4%) GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

ARE YOU PRO- OR AGAINST COMMUNISM, YOU RETARD???
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 No.397434

>>397430
Respecting doesn't mean endorsing tiddy skittles to children, chill.
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 No.397435

>>397430
Ouch. Sorry Anon, you don't realize this because you're not a yank but the trans shit is a sacred cow among the Sakaist dominated US "socialist movement".
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 No.397436

>>397393
There's dozens of small socialist organizations across the United States. I don't really see what make PSL better than any of the others. Green Party, CPUSA, IWW, Socialist Alternative, and, yes, DSA, all seem at least as good if not better (not like that's a particular high bar but whatever).
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 No.397437

>>397434
>I NEED TO BE """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""RESPECTED""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" BEFORE I MAY CONSIDER JOINING

PROTIP: YOUR ILK WILL NEVER BE "RESPECTED" BECAUSE IDPOL IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAN CLASS.
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 No.397438

>>397436
>I don't really see what make PSL better
THEN MAYBE WATCH OP, YOU FUCKING USELESS ASSHOLE.
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 No.397439

>>397436
CPUSA are the true OG's, imagine surviving McCarthyism and Red Scare…Alive
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 No.397441

As soon as they stop expelling people who don't think China has socialism I'll start to take PSL seriously.
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 No.397442

>>397439
>CPUSA are the true OG
Link a SINGLE cpusa video as BASED as in OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Iqr6ReUzo
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 No.397445

>>397428
>CRT
Fuck off
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 No.397446

>>397445 (me)
Btw, I wasn’t saying CRT is bad, I was cristicizing AusJuche for repeating burger rightoid talking points.
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 No.397447

>>397438
They gave a cool speech. Whoop-dee-doo.
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 No.397450

>>397434
It looks like you're trying to derail. Sure, it's a good thing, but off-topic.
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 No.397452

>>397445
CRT is not Marxist, it not socialist or anti-imperialist. It is a 1st positionism form of analysis which exists to whitewash & justify the tremendous crimes of colonialism & imperialism. There is a reason the US state is going balls deep into promoting this shit.
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 No.397453

>be burger
>have made up reasons for not joining actual communist parties
<uhm, akshually, I'm a [snowflake ideology]
<uhm, akshually, I deeply hate "regular folk"
<uhm, akshually, I joined DSA, because it required zero effort

……….die?
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 No.397454

>>397446
They unironically tried to espouse IQ bullshit like a week ago.
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 No.397455

>>397447
LINK A SINGLE INSTANCE OF DSA OR CPUSA GIVING A "COOL SPEECH," YOU CUCK!
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 No.397458

>>397446
If you promote CRT you're a western chauvinist and an imperial apologist period. These people are the enemies of the majority of people in the colonized world.
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 No.397459

>>397454
Danm I knew they were retarded but not that retarded but not that retarded, wtf. (No irony intended)
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 No.397460

>>397442
I don't care bro tbh, PSL have been around for what…2 decades?

Fucking CPUSA have been around since your grandpa was a kid.
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 No.397461

>>397455
I don't care about cool speeches. I care about membership numbers and actions.
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 No.397462

>>397458
Stfu faggot you’re a white middle-class Australian.
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 No.397463

>>397452
No one has ever said PSL, or any one else espoused CRT except for yourself, get out of your shit filled cavity of a head.
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 No.397464

>>397460
>I don't care about ACTUAL communism
<I'm merely LARPING
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 No.397466

>>397462
"middle class"

I'm a rural povo whose household income is less than half of the median African American household mate.
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 No.397467

>>397460
Then join the CPUSA!
They have more in common than they think they do.
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 No.397470

>>397460 (VAUSH)
>>397461 (VAUSH)
>>397447 (VAUSH)
>>397441 (VAUSH)
>>397415 (VAUSH)
>>397404 (VAUSH)
>>397402 (VAUSH)
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 No.397471

>>397466
Ok, but your not a “colonized person” or a “third worlder”, so stfu.
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 No.397472

>>397466
You sound and think pretty middle class. Congrats.
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 No.397473

>>397471
>Ok, but your not a “colonized person” or a “third worlder”

Never claimed that I was, but neither are American "POC".
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 No.397475

>>397470
I don't watch Vaush
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 No.397477

>>397470
Ok schizo.
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 No.397478

>>397473
>Never claimed that I was, but neither are American "POC".
Did I ever say they were?
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 No.397479

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>>397445
>CRT
>white
>black
>IQ
>vaush
>schizo
>POC
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 No.397480

>>397478
You were the one who dragged race into it. "White middle class", etc. I get jumpy when I deal with American Sakaists.
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 No.397481

>>397471
I'm an actual 3rd worlder AMA.
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 No.397482

>>397479
Yea sorry, by arguing with the original thread-derailers, it turns out I was derailing myself :(
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 No.397483

>>397481
Career/household income?
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 No.397486

>>397483

Engineering Student 25y/o Zero Income Household Income 400USD/Month
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 No.397487

>>397481
How does it feel being subservient to us?
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 No.397488

>>397481
What do you think about the whole “Anglo” thing on /leftypol/?
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 No.397489

>>397487
Bad tbh

>>397488
Most burgers are low IQ retards that consooom too much TV and MSM, some may be ok, UK seems way too passive, even their general here is just casual circlejerking.
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 No.397490

>>397486
Fair enough comrade.

Forgive me for getting jumpy, I've had to waste time before with people jumping into threads with "akshully I'm a third worlder" as some kind of gotcha when they turn out to be some upper caste Indian or Makati Chinoy with a household income in the mid-upper 6 figure USD.
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 No.397491

>>397489
> Most burgers are low IQ retards that consooom too much TV and MSM, some may be ok, UK seems way too passive, even their general here is just casual circlejerking.
Fair analysis.
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 No.397493

>>397489
>UK seems way too passive

Not much we can do, we live in a one party state now since Labour game-ended itself
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 No.397497

As an anarchist/libsoc who is a member of DSA in my state, I want to say that: FUCK YOUR PRO-CHINA propaganda.

We are more clever than you. We will always fight against You.
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 No.397501

>>397497
>We are more clever than you. We will always fight against You.

The DSA isn't sending their best. Critical support to the PSL against Ivy League dildo social-imperialism.
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 No.397504

>>397497
>fuck you for disrupting the manufactured imperialist narrative formenting escalation with China
>DSA
The power of Anarcho-Bidenism. So brave!
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 No.397508

>>397497
False-flag
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 No.397514

>>397501
yay we have a foreign convert :3
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 No.397520

>>397493
What happened? There's no leftist party you can join in the UK now?
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 No.397529

>>397514
Whatever disagreements I may have with the general political line the PSL is consistently solid on anti-imperialism & geopolitics broadly. That matters a lot more to me, and frankly the interests of the majority of humanity than any disagreements regarding policies internal to the US.

You're good people and I genuinely respect you.
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 No.397546

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Still if you're not joining the CPUSA you're a weak ass busta.
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 No.397556

>>397508
hurts, innit?
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 No.397557

CPUSA and PSL are both good, how's that?
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 No.397558

>>397402
PSL is ML. Their constituency is ML: https://www.liberationnews.org/fidel-right-marxist-leninists/
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 No.397559

Don’t care fag, I’m still joining the DSA even as a tankie. Your organization is crap and will never amount to shit, instead you fags should look to make a mass organization than your larping trash group.
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 No.397562

People's Party>PSL
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 No.397563

NO I will NOT join ANY parties.
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 No.397573

>>397497
Kek DSA is anti-imperialist officially which means they’re pro China and pro for China being their own thing. Fuck off glowie wrecker.
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 No.397574

>>397563
Chair Revolutionary.
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 No.397575

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Hmm
I say ban all posters advocating DSA in this thread
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 No.397578

>>397573
>Anti-Imperialist = Pro China
wtf lmao
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 No.397583

>>397575
agreed, this thread is trash
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 No.397585

yeah psl seems cool but you can be both in the dsa and psl at the same time
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 No.397586

>>397585
because the dsa isn't a party lol
(tbh PSL only is one in cali or something)
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 No.397587

>>397575
Wrecker.
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 No.397588

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>>397415
just imagine if comrade kanye had joined the psl
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 No.397589

is AOC in this thread tonight? or just her simp army
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 No.397593

>>397586
yeah but is a very big org where you can recruit and radicalize ppl
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 No.397596

holy shit this thread is a dumpster fire lmao. serious question though: i'm thinking of donating all of my money to a socialist org before i kms. is PSL the best option?
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 No.397599

>>397596
donate it to your local party, better yet join it and work for the cause instead of wasting your life
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 No.397600

>>397589
Who tf was even talking about AOC you fuckwit?
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 No.397601

>>397599
i don't think i have a local party, i live in rural nowhere.
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 No.397603

>>397600
Like I stated there are wreckers in the thread.
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 No.397604

>>397599
this
>>397596
sacrifice yourself in contribution to something
>>397600
AOC is in DSA. What more do you need to know about DSA?
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 No.397605

>>397603
Yeah that was my guess.
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 No.397607

>>397596
Donate to both CPUSA or DSA.
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 No.397612

>>397604
The DSA advocates for AOC, but she isn’t like the face of the DSA. The DSA is a big tent socialist organization, not a party.
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 No.397616

>>397612
then you admit it's no substitution for joining a party
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 No.397622

>>397616
dsa is quasi-anarchist. it's a feature not a bug. utterly reprehensible still
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 No.397626

>>397622
>dsa is quasi-anarchist
pig disgusting
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 No.397628

>>397616
That’s like saying that the International was not worth joining because it was made up of many socialist sects. The DSA doesn’t have an official ideology, just broadly socialist. It is easily possible that tankies can become part of the top leadership.
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 No.397636

>>397596
CPUSA.
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 No.397638

>>397628
the internationalS were successively more disciplined organizations one after the other, and each one failed due to a split in ideological camps except the comintern which failed because of a mistaken approach to popular frontism. the dsa is in no way a disciplined organization, and if communists took over they would have to change pretty much everything about its structure.
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 No.397640

>>397628
or, Dems can just co-opt it as a progressive checkbox instead of it doing 'entryism' into the Dem party.. Fine, be a DSA member I don't care, but the PSL is necessary and the DSA's ceiling will be pretending to fix capitalism
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 No.397641

>>397604
>AOC is in DSA. What more do you need to know about DSA?

Oh yeah the class traitor AOC is DSA what a good reason to support DSA.
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 No.397643

>>397596
A better question, why are you killing yourself?
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 No.397644

>>397607
>>397636
Interesting, what makes you say CPUSA over PSL?
>>397643
I probably shouldn't derail the thread with that, sorry friend.
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 No.397648

>>397641
lol, I am saying Forget the DSA, join a party
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 No.397653

>>397644
>Interesting, what makes you say CPUSA over PSL?

They have been around since 1919, they deserve your deathbuxxx.
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 No.397655

>>397653
Fair lol, it's decided then: CPUSA it is.
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 No.397664

>>397655
if you really hated yourself you would continue to live
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 No.397672

>>397638
Okay do you want me to treat your answer with respect or zero at all. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt this one time, after then if you answer me with some stupid shit I’ll just take you for a retard. Okay look the DSA is the best we have for the moment, and things mature over time. The Cold War and McCarthyism destroyed leftism in the US, not just the socialist movement but unions themselves. The DSA is an organ in its infancy and not yet matured and disciplined like the older broad tent socialist orgs. DSA is the only org in the US that has been able to appropriate the American condition but it isn’t mature enough to synthesize itself in a disciplined way just yet but it is learning by experience. If you are incapable of doing a sober analysis of the situation you are living with wool over your eyes that is sectarian and anti-communist and serves the enemy.

>>397640
I have nothing against different parties, Marx didn’t, they are necessary. But what they should do is collaborate for common struggle and even share resources between organizations to strengthen not only their numbers but their information and ideas to strengthen the movement. Think general coordinating different companies or regiments. Also the Dems can try and co-opt anything they like, I’m not afraid of glowies or wreckers, a disciplined organization can root them out with the right mindset and access to background information. And glowies can easily be spotted by using Democratic Centralism or insurrectionist crap. Disagreements is fine, insurrectionist action is objectionable and an actionable offense for purging. But everything I’m saying is only possible with an organization with enough experience under its belt and DSA is an infant mass org.

>>397644
>Interesting, what makes you say CPUSA over PSL?
History, and larger.
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 No.397688

>>397672
it's a mass org that is not a party. probably why it is so popular and malleable and easy to support. we need socialist parties
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 No.397691

Again, not to be racist or anything, but if you live in the USA and you are not a member of the PSL, you are a fucking meme-tier joke.
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 No.397701

>>397688
We have many parties dude. And not one of them will ever be successful. If the Green Party cannot crack a million except in lucky circumstances why the libertarian party remains large and growing then you are living in a fantasy. The issue isn’t parties, it is organization.
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 No.397703

>DSA
>requires you to have a twitter account
>requires you to vote Bernie/Biden
>muh emancipation of wymyn is like… you know… lol…

vs

<PSL
<requires actual DISCIPLINE from its members
<requires you to actually give a shit about anti-imperialism
<muh emancipation of [ANYTHING] is impossible without a proletariat revolution

And then we will have burger posters ITT, who will be like "uhm, akshually…"

NO. YOU SUCK.
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 No.397719

>>397691
PSL is a meme tier org, glow harder.
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 No.397720

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 No.397723

>>397701
>the green party is our ceiling
we are completely fucked then. tell me, what do we do when we have enough people in the DSA? Tell them all to vote the right Democrat in? LMAO
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 No.397725

>>397703
>requires you to vote
Lmao I bet some kiddies here will believe that
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 No.397731

>>397703
man if you're OP I think you might be coping pretty hard
the DSA varies heavily from place to place, one in Baltimore can act more like a humanitarian org while one in Portland can be featured on Tucker Carlson for idpol
There's no reason to vilify it besides criticizing the idpolish chapters, which again aren't all
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 No.397732

>>397723
That’s what you got from my post? I guess you’re definitely illiterate. Tell me, are you in your early 20s? I’m thinking you are since your experience in life is only twitter spats. I’m willing to bet you’ve never done any organizational work, perhaps you think being part of a party means larping. There’s a reason Caleb Maupin abandoned party shit which makes sense, he realized how much of a hassle and how sectarian socialist party organizing is when it’s made up of larpers and not working class organizers.
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 No.397743

>>397732
Extremely angery. How many DSA members are union leaders? How many wrecker/trotsky jokes do DSA members make, pretending to be 'stalinists?' Why do you continue to pretend like entryism is even possible? Organizing liberals in a liberal organization does not make socialism.
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 No.397990

My take: Psl are Dengoids (and kind of a bit too urban centered IMHO), but they're militant and serious and (somewhat) disciplined.
DSA is the left wing of Langley.
There's no comparison, PSL is manifestly better.
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 No.398011

>>397416
PSL's membership fees are literally the highest of any communist party or cell currently organizing on the US.
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 No.398012

PSL have retention issues from what I hear. Their centralism (not necessarily a bad thing) makes them set up in areas and then leave. You need to have a little slack if your leadership structure is incapable of capitalising on new gains made in Bumfucktown.
They either need to slack the leash a little or reform their leadership in a way that lets them eat up these gains they make and then lose due to a perceived lack of interest from the party.

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