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 No.411647[Reply]

When was it that you broke away from the group think and realized /Pol/Pot actually did nothing wrong?: the Intellectuals always fuck everything up and he knew it that
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 No.413286

>>411647
>the Intellectuals always fuck everything up and he knew it that
didn't he literally go to paris to study under those hack frog pedophiles? mf should've volunteered to be the first glasses wearer in the mass grave
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 No.413289

>>413279
>>413286
He was a traitor to his glasses wearer tribe
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 No.413498

I kek about mao
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 No.413546

>>412848
>when ted independently discovers the concept of recuperation
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 No.413620

He unironically has my (critical) support for standing up against Soviet social-imperialism
When the capitalists seethe so much you know you're doing something right


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 No.409242[Reply]

NHMA GIA SYZHTHSH THS ELLHNIKHS POLITIKHS PRAGMATIKOTHTAS

Antiembolio/Gonimothta/Erdogan Mpes sth Kypro/Po8en Esxes edition

parakalountai oi xrhst(ri)es na milane mono greeglish - oi ellhnikoi xarakthres 8a odhgoune se ameso ban meta apo synnenohsh me tous mods

xwris plaka poios milaei kan ellhnika pleon sto internet pera apo irrelevant boomers

Proteinomena 8emata syzhthhshs:
Kanate to bolio?
Poso misw ton mitsotaki
Poso pshnete na ginei YPOXREWTIKOS emvoliasmos se OLOUS
Po8en esxes koutsoumpa
Poso agapaw ton 8anash pafilh

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 No.412832

Den blepw na uparxei ousiastikh akro dejia pleon sthn ellada, oloi oi akro deksioi einai ejisou anti syriza me thn ND me apotelesma an o koulhs emfanisei to dipolo stis ekloges Tha arxisoyn to seeth and dilate gt o kakos o tsipras Tha toys faei(aka let's all go vote for koulhs)
Ousiastika me thn ptosh ths kyp+mixaloliakos=love (psakse to sto indy) oi perisoteroi nazi pleon einai spasikles you pol
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 No.413094

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>Παράλληλα, οι τ/κ δεν έχουν την επιλογή του τρελλόχαρτου, άρα ούτε και οποιαδήποτε ‘’εύκολη’’ αποφυγή εκπλήρωσης της θητείας τους.
Σκληρό.Απο 0 μέχρι Συριζαιος πόσο κομφορμιστικός βουτυρομπεμπές είμαι που δεν βγάζω γιωτόχαρτο και θα πάω τον Σεπτεμβρη να υπηρετήσω την μπανανιά ?
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 No.413375

>>409783

Οχι, γεννήθηκα στο εξωτερικό. Μόνο ο πατέρας μου είναι Έλληνας.

Έχει μόνο 11-12 χρόνια που κατάλαβα ότι η Ελλάδα είχε μεγάλο κομμουνιστικό κίνημα (και ότι αυτό το κίνημα ήταν κύριως υπεύθυνος για τη νίκη τής Ελλάδας στο δεύτερό παγκοσμίο πόλεμο; Δεν το τόνιζαν αυτό το γεγονό στο σχολείο μού)
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 No.413594

>>413094
Μηδέν δεν είναι ντροπή να κάνεις κάτι που οι περισσότεροι νέοι κάνουν ακόμα και αν το θεωρείς χαζό.
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 No.413617

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How are my fellow Greek comrades coping and seething under their GOG (German-Occupied-Government)? The KKE seems to have trouble broadening their support base.


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 No.304257[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This is the thread for good news.

People have a tendency to focus on what is going wrong and miss out on what is going well.
I'm also suspecting that there is a doomer astroturf going on.

To counteract this a little i want to ask you to post uplifting news.
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 No.413081

>>413047
I'm not dooming, just being realistic about this. Zoomers are left to a smaller extent then other generations, all while almost every leftist group is either larpers or just a government honeypot.
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 No.413090

>>413081
Bro zoomers are massively slanted towards the left and even the radical left to a decent extent, go outside.
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 No.413198

>>413090
dude just look at this link to a kym comments thread that proves zoomers love hitler and the left is doomed
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 No.413200

>>413198
Tell me this is sarcasm. Because if not, you have seriously fallen for the spectacle.
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 No.413586

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>>413081
>I'm not dooming, just being realistic about this
<Said every doomer ever
You disingenuous gaslighting fuck! If you truly believe, it's ogre, why don't you just take the pill as I have suggested. Do I need to help you take it?


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 No.390429[Reply]

I found a rather interesting pamphlet recently, and couldn't resist taking some pictures of it. Apologies that it's likely pretty hard to read, but you rarely come across right-wing propaganda in physical form, and I'm not a photographer by trade.

Nevertheless, I think this journey will be rather interesting.

Here's the first page. It's titled "END CCP". It has a link, and it begs you to sign a petition to end the communist party of China. On the cover is a black and white image of a solemn girl in a face mask. Behind her the wall says "May the Chinese Communist Party fall", and under that "free Hong Kong"

Real inspiring stuff.
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 No.392843

>>391978
they are a racist cult who say that mixed people are inferior, but you won't hear that in western media
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 No.393216

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They've also merged themselves with the U.S. far right as this pic >>390451 shows. They were also the second-biggest spender of pro-Trump ads on Facebook.
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 No.393224

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I just went to look at the Epoch Times' website and of course Alan Dershowitz is involved in this.
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 No.393260

>>392246
I mean…
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 No.413583

Bump


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 No.410783[Reply]

The PDPA killed tens of thousands, pushed unpopular policies that hurt people, and the USSR waged total war killing 500k to 2m civilians. If you think Maoists and even anarchists being part of the mujahideen in the opposition of that is bad, then that's disgusting. The Mujahijdeen were freedom fighters, not terrorists. A small faction of veterans of the war broke off to oppose the mujahideen government.
U.S., China, Egypt, Pakistan, U.K., and the entire muslim world funded the mujahideen. In fact, most Mujahideen-funding came from private muslim organizations across MENA because their cause was just.
Every military-aged man was Mujahideen in the 1980s. Bin Laden and Omar literally made their own groups after the Soviets left literally to oppose the Mujahideen Islamic state government, helping aid in the fight against the PDPA and the genocidal USSR was good.
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 No.412472

>>412057
>>412050
idk why you keep bringing up iraq when i dont support the iraq war.
> About 241,000 people have been killed in the Afghanistan and Pakistan war zone since 2001. More than 71,000 of those killed have been civilians.

>https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan…


>And this is with the clauses the U.S. uses, and the data made "available".

Yes, and? We’re talking about Afghanistan.
>Except it wasn't, and even the west admits it wasn't. See
literally where in this article does it say the PDPA created most the infrastructure
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 No.412507

>>412472
>Yes, and? We’re talking about Afghanistan.
This is Afghanistan you idiot. Read it again.
>literally where in this article does it say the PDPA created most the infrastructure
Who here argued they created most of the infrastructure in use today? The argument initially made by the anon earlier in the thread was that most working infrastructure in Afghanistan was Soviet built, which implies for me infrastructure that functions without being in a state of disrepair and possesses no large risk of failing outright.
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 No.412560

>>410783
PDPA was correct and their cause was just, also the soviets built up the country, the "brave" mujahedeen completely destroyed any infrastructure.

Goals of the PDPA
>The Main Outlines of the Revolutionary Tasks’ proclaimed the eradication of illiteracy; equality for women; an end to ethnic discrimination; a larger role for the state in the national economy; and the abolition of ‘feudal and pre-feudal relationships’ – code for the power of landowners, traditional leaders, and mullahs, especially in the countryside. As for Islam, when Kryuchkov visited Kabul on a fact-fi nding mission in July 1978, the new President, Taraki, told him to come back in a year, by which time the mosques would be empty.

>A woman was appointed to a top political position for the fi rst time in modern Afghan history. Anakhita Ratebzad (1930–), a doctor by training, was one of four women members of the Afghan parliament in 1965, a founding member of the PDPA, and a member of Parcham.


To get a look at what the people who opposed PDPA believed in, let us look at the Herat revolt here the resistance to the PDPA began.

>He said that the peasants in an outlying village, incensed by a decision of the local Communists to force their daughters to school, rose up, killed the Communists, killed the girls for good measure, and marched on the city.5 Others said that the rising took place on orders from émigrés in Pakistan, who had planned for a countrywide rebellion.


Literally a protest against women's education and an extremely brutal one at that, those who opposed the PDPA were people who believed that women were property and that the words of a paedophile 1200 years ago were the way society should be structured.

Destruction wreaked by the "Brave freedom fighters"
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 No.412563

>>412560
In summary the Russians and PDPA were right, they should have expanded their base(PDPA) but also ruthlessly crush the mullahs and Islam along with the feudal landlords.
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 No.413574

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>>410783
>The PDPA killed tens of thousands, pushed unpopular policies that hurt people, and the USSR waged total war killing 500k to 2m civilians.
I think this should be prefaced by the fact the Soviets did not order the original coup, nor were they particularly happy when the PDPA seized power. According to Afgantsy, there was actually panic at the Kremlin when it happened as they had a good relationship with Daoud's government.
In the year leading up the invasion, they were doing everything possible to avoid a direct intervention, they did not believe Afghanistan was ready for a revolution. They only decided to intervene after Amin killed their favorite, Taraki, despite a Soviet guarantee to protect him. Amin is the one who committed most of the excesses. He idolized Stalin to a pretty extreme extent and ignored everything Stalin did except for the purges which he tried to replicate. It got so bad that the entire country was thrust into an, at first low level, civil war. That's why the Soviets moved in and killed Amin. Their first objective was to stop the massive purges and unpopular policies, not support them. After Amin was killed, the PDPA took a much more moderate approach which alleviated a lot of the immediate issues, but, at that point, the US and Pak had taken notice and turned a ragtag guerrilla force into a somewhat modern army with modern equipment.
Also, I find that 2m figure incredibly unlikely, almost like it specifically calculated to be higher than the civilian death toll during Vietnam. The Soviet force in Afghanistan was tiny compared to the American force in Vietnam.
>If you think Maoists and even anarchists being part of the mujahideen in the opposition of that is bad, then that's disgusting.
Bro, most of them fucking sucked, not all of them, but groups that received the most funding were often the most violently religious. Hekmatyar cut his teeth throwing acid on women who attended university. They were counter revolutionaries not freedom fighters, the civil war initially began because the PDPA granted women equal rights. The Mujahideen was funded by wealthy Imams and feudal landlords who were pissed their land was being redistributed. Not to mention Wahhabi funding from Saudi by way of Pakistan and the Chinese playing 5d chess.
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 No.408509[Reply]

I don't understand all the hate between Anarchists, Maoists, Stalinists, Marxists, Left Libertarians etc. I've never seen such splintering and hostility between people who want nearly the same thing. The right wing is far more unified even if they have different beliefs and are just better at getting their message across to the masses. Meanwhile, on leftypol, stalinists are telling Trotsky supporter to go kill themselves.
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 No.413428

>>413403
> I am an anarchist and I tried getting along with commies but they are just uppity assholes towards us,
Uppity? I wouldn’t use that word here. If you think some are sanctimonious pseuds, then sure.
>and their conception of freedom is too narrow and doesn't capture what we anarchists dream of.
Worry about survival first, like the rest of us, instead of abstractions like “freedom” or whatever. Authoritarianism is a meme, and your ideas about eliminating hierarchies and oppression imposed by political and cultural structures might not be relevant until after the DotP becomes the dominating economic system around the world. I won’t tell you to read Marx, but maybe a little Bookchin will do you good.
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 No.413435

>>413403
>their conception of freedom is too narrow and doesn't capture what we anarchists dream of
What do you think the end goal of communism is?
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 No.413460

>>413435

not that guy and also not a communist but…

The abolition of hierarchy, the state and capitalism.
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 No.413470

>>408712

Nazi countries don't exist because they would be condemned by the globohomo. Virtually every major power condemns anti-semetic beliefs.

What we have today is neo-fascism, which incorporates a lot of nazi rhetoric and just changes it to fit the context of the problems of another society. They can't go fully mask off but they can do things like determine whether a certain minority group has the ability to be a citizen. India did that. The CAA essentially said muslim refugees can't be considered citizens and they have the right to dictate who is a "refugee". They used it to essentially make half of west bengal (the area that borders bangladesh) and assam's population to be illegals even if they are natives of the land. Bolsanaro is a neo-fascist and blames all the problems on the dwindling communist groups in Brazil. He actively goes against liberal beliefs to weaken them permanently and make them insignificant opposition. He has purposefully allowed coronavirus to spread to decimate the liberal population.

They believe the same things as Nazis but just use tactics to not get international attention for genocide or persecution.
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 No.413524

>>413460
my point is communists want largely the same end result as anarchists do


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 No.409240[Reply]

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 No.413497

>>413485
I wouldnt bail on the eviction hearing, i wont get evicted because I’ll skip town 15 days before. The only way i could get screwed is if I get served with a small claims lawsuit before I’m able to yeet
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 No.413499

>>413491
Why would wall st pressure biden, theyve been making a killing from the covid pump
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 No.413502

>>413499
They are making a killing from small businesses being shut down while they get free reign
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 No.413509

>>413502
Yeah so why would they want people to go back to work, wouldnt they benefit from the eviction ban continuing and killing small business workforce, since the eviction ban crowd is more likely to work in small business
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 No.413522

>>413499
They're making a killing in part exactly because of how things are. They've spent decades and billions of dollars in order to make cuts to things like unemployment insurance, healthcare access, workplace safety oversight, government regulations, etc. Now covid is threatening to walk those gains back, alleviating pressure on portions of the population the hyper exploitation of which the bourgeoisie rely on.

Regardless of the reality of things, the prevailing bourgeois "wisdom" is that proles are lazy and need to be "encouraged" to work, and this "labor shortage" is proof that if benefits are too generous then the poors will stop making them money. Covid relief means poverty relief, and relief from poverty means less profits for porky.

That's the root of all these attempts to "return to normal" and try to declare the pandemic over. Porky doesn't want any more relief for working people because all their wealth and power is predicated on it, and they don't care how many working people die because there's always more where that came from.


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 No.399119[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I often see communists decry prison labor in capitalist countries, particularly in the United States, describing it as a form of modern slavery. However, I often see these same communists turn around and praise prison labor in communist countries, most notably the Soviet Union. Why is this case? Why can't I oppose prison labor under all economic systems?
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 No.407425

Quite simple, it's targeted at different classes. Capitalist prisons ensure the continued slavery of the working class, production for profit of the capitalists who own the means of production. Socialist reformist labour has a different content. It ensured the moral, ideological and physical re-education of counterrevolutionaries, exploiters, former bourgeoisie who do not accept proletarian power. Their labour is used for the benefit of the working class, by building canals for example.
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 No.407479

its very different and the fact you dont understand says more about you
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 No.413332

>>399310
muslim law is more based about punishment,beating, or execution is better than wasting taxpayer money into this, most prisioners come out as even worse human beings and lets not talk about inocents that bacome criminals after they go into prision for several years
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 No.413495

some criminals deserve slavery to help pay off their debts to their victims
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 No.413504

>>399348
>It's about normalizing real life while still being in prison
Is this always something you should do? Some people deserve only a lifetime of forced labour, just never let them out, or alternatively kill them. A lot of criminals are simply cold and calculating predators that will do whatever they want when no one is looking, they will never change, only convince you they have


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 No.413452[Reply]

is this quote true?

Stalin indeed experienced this situation with his drunken and abusive father. Birt claims his behavior while in power is indicative of a paranoid need to protect his narcissistic ego from external threats. This journal article is a good source because it explains how paranoia develops and then connects it to Stalin's case. It is easy to …


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 No.413270[Reply]

How would services work in a socialist economy? Dealing with renumeration is trickier here since it doesn't appear to be possible to measure social labour time for services, as opposed to goods. How do services work in current and past socialist experiments?
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 No.413410

>>413387
>Or medical professionals.
Medical professionals are the most closest to factory conveyor unironically.
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 No.413415

>>413270
See : https://youtu.be/_jpuHM_k9CU?t=1475
Here Cockshott uses School and Hospitals but obviously it works with any service deemed socially necessary in your hypothetical socialist society.
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 No.413420

>>413270
>Dealing with renumeration is trickier here since it doesn't appear to be possible to measure social labour time for services, as opposed to goods.
Why? The same technique applies to pretty much any industrial large scale production, be it services or physical goods.
And any non industrial production is pretty much marginal.
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 No.413421

>>413298
>factory with 2 jobs: to reproduce itself and to produce other factories
It's really that simple. Full automation is possible dude.
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 No.413437

[spoiler]I don't fully understand LTV, so I might be wrong, if I am, point it out to me i'd appreciate[/spoiler]

Ultimate source of value is labor, right? Resources are naturally worthless. They get extracted via labor, which adds value, they get worked on via labor to produce goods, which adds value and so on and so forth.
Each hour of work adds the same amount of value to the product worked on. Just that some products are worked on for 5 minutes by workers, like pens, while some are worked on for 10 months, like houses. Thus pens cost less than houses.

So, my guess is you'd pay service workers roughly the same amount of money per hour as all other kinds of workers


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