/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

> vanguard or mass organisation dedicated to the systematic overthrow of capitalism, either in one country or globally

Once again Leninists only consider other Leninists as 'real leftists'

>>412749
Just to piss off OP this idpozzed female writer has more communist sentiment than every take on this board, so thank god for not being a 'real leftist'

> Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to
women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to ==overthrow the
government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation== and destroy the male
sex.

> What will liberate women, therefore, from male control is the total elimination of the money-work system, not the attainment of economic equality with men within it.

>ruin the reputation of actual leftists
ah yes, the thing you're doing right now
unperson yourself, uyghur

>>412749
Every leftist wants to organize a mass movement except small useless sects

>>412753
sounds based

>>395643
Classes are large groups of people that are differentiated by a) their place in the historically determined system of social production b) their relation (in large part defined by law) to the means of production c) their role in the social organization of labour and hence d) from the ways in which they appropriate part of the wealth produced by society and the magnitude of this part.
Humanity was for the largest part of its life as a spiecies NOT fragmented in such a way. This is a historical development whose first traces only appeared about 12000 years ago with the agricultural revolution, whereas the human race existed for approximately 200.000 years.
Thanks to labour, men emerged from the animal world and human society arose. The distinctive feature of human labour is the making of implements of production, which was a slow and arduous proces that took thousands of years. he productive forces of primitive society were on an exceedingly low level, the implements of production were extremely primitive. This necessitated collective labour, social property in the means of production and equal distribution. In the primitive community there was no property inequality or private property in the means of production; there were no classes or exploitation of man by man. Social ownership of the means of production was confined within a narrow framework; it was the property of small communities more or less isolated from one another. In Africa men would easily find their means of subsistance and vibe for the rest of the time, however, tribes that migrated to say Messopotamia, had to develop agriculture, in that way developing also the surplus product, i.e. producing more than what is immediatly required for the subsistence of the tribe.
The basic economic law of the primitive community consists in the securing of man"s vitally necessary means of subsistence with the help of primitive implements of production, on the basis of communal property in the means of production, by means of common labour and the equal distribution of the products.Working together, men for a long time performed uniform labour. The gradual improvement of implements of production promoted the rise of a natural division of labour, depending on sex and age. Further perfecting of the implements of production and the mode of obtaining the means of life, the development of caPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Division of labour
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>>396157
That isn’t what Marx means by class, which is where most communists get their concept of class. There are sub-class or intraclass categories that can be used for social analysis in a Marxist framework, but they aren’t equivalent to class. They’re subordinate or different from class as a category, which as those anons said is your relationship to production, particularly as Marx put it at the end of Vol 3 it is differences in sources of revenue/income. So getting income as rent as in the case of landlords or landed nobility is a separate class relation to production, for example, than getting it from employing labor. Obviously in reality these categories mix, as a landlord could definitely employ people in another line of business or otherwise in the management of their properties, but the “pure” example of the category is just an analytical tool to disambiguate all the complexities of reality into a more simple model.

>>395643
Classes are nothing but scaled up social hierarchies that exist naturally on any tribe.
An by "naturally" I mean we are biologically designed to keep track of social stance, power, credibility, legitimacy to govern, etc.
And by "legitimacy to govern", yes, as far as our biology is concerned, violence can be legitimate. That's simply how our neurochemistry computes power.

Social class is just the abstraction of all that into a more formalized system that channels the life and work of millions of people.

>>411824
You're talking drivel. The working class art form is socialist realism.

>>411440
>Being scared of rock music
>Very rightful
Do you think socialism is this pathetically weak?

anime is basically soc realism (fantasy realism)
because it depicts everyday setting except in unrealistic way (because realistic would be like photo/boring)


funny its called realism but its not realistic (technically)
ppl still have this problem with japan memes (because real japan is nothing like in my animes)

>>412722
> The working class art form is socialist realism.
What about prior Soviet art forms as well as working class art in other countries
Also on a theoretical note, this statement invalidates the idea that the USSR had socialism (or lenin's lower stage of communism) as declared by Stalin in his acceptance speech and contemporaneous with socialist realism - proletariat ceases to exist under socialism. So how can it be a working class art form under truly existing socialism, it's nonsense I say!

>>412722
No, you're a fucking dumb reactionary liberal, only my art is real working class art.

>>412724
I don't mean "state" as in government, but in state of affairs etc.

It means that Mammon was victorious in dethroning God and sits now in Heaven, enjoying the worship and offerings of its acolytes.

>>412633
The means of production and material conditions of humanity at the dawn of the industrial revolution had finally grew beyond the need for religion to be a major part of the superstructure. He was right, the mass media had replaced the church as the main propagandist of cultural viewpoints for the masses.

>>412727
But ultimately God will take revenge because it’s His position and not Mammon’s.

>>412670
Are you even christian at first place?

>>412677
No that's what I'm saying. But because they're anti war and not anti imperialist, they had little basis after that.

sage'd for pointless sectarianism

>>412635
He is 100% correct

>>412626
>pic
I tried looking it up, but, unfortunately, that article isn't real. It seems to have been some sort of Inspect Element edit of this article:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/01/23/weth-j23.html

its so always fucking funny and obvious when a reactionary tries to false flag here

>>411898
>Extremely rare metal deficiency is "the majority"
If it truly was the majority, the article wouldn't surprised in the first place, and we'd have an article opposite in its topic.

>>411896
that's entirely false. some people are visual thinkers, some are a mixture, and some think with more ambiguous feelings. not everyone has the internal voice like in a romcom describing everything that's happening or what they're doing.

>>412024
>not everyone has the internal voice like in a romcom describing everything that's happening or what they're doing.
That's not what people mean by "internal monologue". If you can actually "hear" something, as in your brain to you ears, as opposed to imagining a voice as if you were just talking to yourself (but in your head), something is actually up.

AI is a meme and the desire to attribute sentiance to it is just techie autism.

Consider the following, is, according to your three traits, a kettle sentient?
>Observe
Yes, it has a bi-metal plate to sense heat
>React
Yes, the bi-metal plate bends and thus powers off the kettle at the right temperature
>Goal
To boil water

If we follow this line of logic, we see that by your description, basic automation = sentience. At the end of the day even the most advanced "AI" is just a kettle, only with hundreds of times more sensory organs and internal logic calculators instead of a singular bi-metal plate.

>>411022
I thought that happened as soon as one enters the workforce and can only care about serving their own interests and liberating themselves from payments like income deductions and the cost of living

people who say that usually dont have views at all and it mostly retard who were into that punk rock faggot shit

>>411520
Are you deluded or retarded?

>>411520
>Majority of zoomers are right-wing
No they're not. I love how desperate right-wingers have to been to force this yet it has not paid off at all in polling.

>>411520
get out of discord/reddit/chan autismo zones. The vast majority of female zoomers are socdems/liberals/gommies, as well as most non incel/gymcel weirdos and frat boys

>>411916
Oh ok thank you for the reorientation.
A) Conservatism (at least old-school Conservatism) does not necessarily imply imperialism; like I explained with Metternich he was trying to maintain a balance of power between all nations and I'm pretty sure under his direction Austria had an extended period of peace with no foreign entanglements/wars.
B) I brought up Latin American countries because they are not part of the metropole yet they have historically had Conservative movements directed against liberalism and even today when Conservatives have degenerated into liberalism and neoliberals that influence is still home-grown and we see this with figures like Macri and Bolsonaro.

>>411111
I don't think China can be replicated so simply because it did undergo the Century of Humiliation which is a unique historical experience.

I think Chinese nationalism has become intensified but I think that is mostly because of the U.S. attitude toward China, which provokes the nationalist response and gets people unified. But this is why the nationalism in China can often be "left" in form. I don't think the comparison to fascism works. I think the driving force for such a thing, if China did go in that direction, would be the military like what happened in Japan in the 1930s.

Japan in the early 20th century had support from anti-colonial people like W.E.B. Du Bois and was seen as a relatively progressive force by the standards of the time. Then ultranationalist forces in the military starting taking over bit by bit, carrying out assassinations and attempted coups (most of which failed) over and over again with little consequences for their actions. One ultranationalist group (secret societies within the military) would shoot a prime minister and get slapped on the wrist, or carry out a coup attempt and get 20 days house arrest for it.

There were also dueling ultranationalist groups within the military and the one that carried out most of these attacks on the civil government were the more extreme faction that didn't actually take over in the end. The more extreme faction (the Kōdōha) idealized an agrarian, pre-industrial Japan and also wanted to invade the USSR. The faction that would take over (the Tōseiha) were relatively "moderate" right-wing militarists who favored a southward campaign and were also industrialists. So it's kind of interesting how two right-wing factions can be competing, and one faction can be carrying out attacks, but that benefits the other faction.

But that kinda sounds like the United States though. Right-wing extremist elements have gradually become bolder and bolder, and not really getting punished for it worth a damn because people don't want to sack up stop them. And I think why "nationalism" merges with the right wing in America is because the capitalists need to rob people abroad and nationalist sentiments get people to support aggressive wars. But the U.S. military is pretty apolitical at the top ranks, which is not like Japan in the 1930s. And the CPC seems like it keeps the PLPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>411926
>like I explained with Metternich he was trying to maintain a balance of power between all nations and I'm pretty sure under his direction Austria had an extended period of peace with no foreign entanglements/wars.
I'm not saying that conservatism necessitates imperialism, I'm saying imperialism reveals the faults of conservatism as an ideology.
Wasn't Metternich that guy Marx called out by name in the Manifesto because he couldn't stop himself from trying to squash revolutions?
He seemed entangled in a lot of shit, dude.
>I brought up Latin American countries because they are not part of the metropole yet they have historically had Conservative movements…
Conservatism is only trying to maintain the status quo of one thing or another within the metropole, and impose it in places where it doesn't exist yet or it's waning.
When neoliberals from the U.S. controlled OAS want to maintain the status-quo against socialism in Latin American states, or the U.S. wants to create a liberal democracy in Iraq, that's conservatism.
This goes for both Bolsonaro and Macri.
Honestly don't know why anyone can't just pragmatically pick and choose what they want to conserve or not without appealing to such an idealist ideology.
It's fine to me as a lifestyle decision but as a political ideology it's a dead horse.

>>410523
> I think the new ideology that will change the world might fuse religion, nationalism, tradition, and socialism to create a new collective vision to unite people.
Already done. Fourth political theory.

>>410720
Metternich was entirely based. I wholly accept the collectivistic nature of traditional conservatism, and the primary placing of value on the community, nation, and culture rather than on an individuals rights. At least I, as a conservative, have never objected to this.

>>408978
They have did it. In the New Order government there is a strict de-Sukarnoization policy with renamings and political suppression of his family.

>>408978
>Soekarno loved the Dutch people and wanted to strengthen the severed ties.
But that’s the problem. We now have the power of retrospection, and now it’s clear that decolonization must be done through revolutionary means. Independence is something you fought for with blood and sweat, not something given peacefully.
Connecting the severed ties will just make Indonesia be like any francophone countries in Africa, perpetually reliant on the neocolonialists for everything.
The will of an imperial power always goes completely against any attempt at independence. Trying to parlay with them is basically digging your own shallow grave. See the fate of Aung San in Burma. Or how the socialist were retroactively wiped from history of Malayan independence.
Soekarno’s doom was inevitable because he at heart was a social democrat that held to power through the 3 mutually hostile force (the militant Muslim, the fascist military and the electoral communists). The CIA only needed to nudge a bit and everything came falling down.

>>410483
> Or how the socialist were retroactively wiped from history of Malayan independence.
Word. Anglos really fucked us over with the handling of the independence. Fuck you Anglos.

Looks like Chan O-Cha is opting for containing the news about the pandemic rather than the pandemic itself.
>Thailand implemented new regulations on Friday that appeared to broaden the government’s ability to restrict media reports and social media posts about the coronavirus pandemic, raising immediate concerns that authorities will seek to stifle criticism.
>It also gives Thai regulators the ability to force internet service providers to turn over the IP address of the person or entity distributing such news, and to “suspend the internet service to that IP address immediately.”
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-media-coronavirus-pandemic-ebbe28f11fb5a2f12b6663522a148765

>>411797
this Ministry of Truth shit in SEA sucks tbh.

Bumping with Based and Guevarapilled