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 No.393452[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I've never actually heard a solid, real argument against accelerationism. People just parrot that it's stupid and ultra and "doesn't work", but nobody provides any evidence whatsoever for their claims.

Historically, every major incident of working class uprising followed or occurred in tandem with a major capitalist crisis. WW1 resulted in a wave of socialist uprisings across Europe, mass unionization pushes in just about every civilized part of the planet, and a successful socialist revolution in Russia. WW2 resulted in the takeover of China by victorious communist forces, the mass decolonization of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, the socialist liberation of more or less the entirety of Eastern Europe, and unprecedented rates of unionization in the West.

By what possible fucking stretch of the imagination could someone seriously and genuinely argue that accelerating the contradictions of capitalism "doesn't work" to produce communist uprising? Historically, it is the fucking ONLY thing that works. If anything, milquetoast reformism and cautious labor activism have shown themselves to be complete failures to producing anything resembling a strong and effective communist movement.

Only the grinding, breaking gears of surplus value extraction can lead to the liberation of the masses. Anything else is a silly, liberal pipe dream.
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 No.400390

Amphetamines get to.
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 No.401477

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 No.401488

>>393881
landian accelerationism has nothing to do with whatever bs op is talking abt
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 No.401491

>>395490
so become a capitalist?
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 No.401518

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accelerationism is idealist and infantile because it assumes there is a concrete amount of capitalist development that will inevitably led to a revolution all while ignoring the organization of the proletariat and how it can be affected by the same developments that in the mind of the accelerationists are supossed to cause the end of capital anyways OP is not even talking about accelerationism since "accelerating the contradictions of capitalism" is literally what all communist movements have done and is inherent to their nature to be "accelerating" elements since revolution is not even possible without them


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 No.401385[Reply]

this might belong in /b/ but, I was thinking about Ferdinand Sassure and linguistics and how, no words or concepts are atomic. Every concept is an interface in the sense that it's meaning is based on relations to other objects/concepts. Even things like awareness (implies being aware of something).

So with that in mind, the concept of woman is not an atomic one, it involves many things and objects that are all related to each other. It isn't culture specific either because any Bedouin or Siberian man would agree that a white woman is still a *woman*, even though she has different customs and her own ideas of femininity that aren't theirs.

Transgender people are called trans women or Two-spirit and not women because they are a fundamentally different thing than regular women. Like, nobody can say they are 100% the exact same thing, right? that's like calling red blue
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 No.401404

>>401385
>or Two-spirit
uygha are you a native american from 1812 or some shit
anyways trans women is as much a concept as womanhood as a tomboy is, and just as tomboy was once excluded from the mainstream conception of what womanhood constituted, trans people will be integrated into the conception of belonging as well - that or the very concept of womanhood itself will be destroyed as a consequence of rapid social upheaval under socialism redefining what it even means to begin with.

its all largely academic and mostly pedantic, nobody cares much for the exact definitions because people only loosely associate with the identity to begin with, the idea of the identity itself is a mix of cultural stereotypes and personal biases creating a false image of being
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 No.401413

>>401404
>anyways trans women is as much a concept as womanhood as a tomboy is, and just as tomboy was once excluded from the mainstream conception of what womanhood constituted,

there's a key difference, and I grew up in that time so I would know. tomboys were still considered women, but not womanly. so, a tomboy was an unfeminine woman, but still a woman nevertheless.

>trans people will be integrated into the conception of belonging as well - that or the very concept of womanhood itself will be destroyed as a consequence of rapid social upheaval under socialism redefining what it even means to begin with.


You don't know that. Far more likely to happen will be that, under Communism, transgender men will experience difficulties in finding sexual relationships and remain rare unless the population continues to boom, requiring more of them

>its all largely academic and mostly pedantic, nobody cares much for the exact definitions because people only loosely associate with the identity to begin with, the idea of the identity itself is a mix of cultural stereotypes and personal biases creating a false image of being


A Siberian man would still consider a woman from another culture a woman, it isn't cultural
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 No.401503

womanly is cultural, woman is not


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 No.401364[Reply]

Today I want to attack the culture war question from a different angle. When do you guys foresee the end of it all? And How?

Obviously, with most things in history, there is no clear start and end date. We all generally recognize at some point in the early 2010's things became different. The rise of social media giants like FB, Twitter, Reddit ect. triggered some pretty drastic changes in political discourse. Old ideologies found new credence. A whole new vocabulary was invented among the youth. The rate at which news was disseminated, contextualized and recontextualized became blindingly fast. A culture war more intense than that of the 1960s swept over the western world and continues raging to this day.

How does it all end, leftypol? Do the corporations get to keep pulling our strings with their algorithms? Will it be a contributing factor to the final downfall of the American empire? How do you foresee the tech censorship question being resolved? Will there a serious movement among young people to escape wagie life, go outside, eat right and function socially again?
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 No.401370

When it comes to Tech im kinda landpilled. In that, I think that human slavery by tech is ongoing and inevitable. The only thing that could stop this is a socialist movemnt.

I think China and the way it interacts with tech has the potential to do this. Its direction towards the ecomy provides the potential for people oritentated technology. Although this is yet to be realised,


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 No.401240[Reply]

Several sources reported, this week, that ELEVEN soldiers and LEOs have died as they represented the United States of America.

As the Capital Riots which God sent to reward America for THEIR continued rebellion against Him result in prosecutions, this week it was revealed that one such rebel was an off-duty DEA Special Agent who brought his service weapon along, and further evidence show him live chatting with other LEOs who were seemingly ALSO involved in the rebellion: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mark-ibrahim-dea-agent-arrested-capitol-riot-gun-badge/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09#

Mumbai saw the highest rainfall in one day in the past seven years which caused flash flooding and “mini landslides”, and ended up killing 25 people: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-18/highest-one-day-july-rainfall-in-seven-years-kills-15-in-mumbai?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=tictoc&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-tictoc&s=09

GodSmack!

According to this piece, “Extreme weather is sweeping the world…”: https://www.businessinsider.com/photo-video-europe-china-flooding-oregon-siberia-canada-wildfires-2021-7?amp=&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

While places which rarely burn, ARE: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/world/wildfires-siberia-us-canada-climate-intl/index.html?utm_term=multi-image&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2021-07-22T11%3A19%3A06&utm_medium=social&s=09

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 No.400877[Reply]

How did image boards become a place of conservatism and conformism honestly. It seems like every asshole on 4chan has the same generic republican/neonazi opinions and takes on vidya games and shit.
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 No.401081

>>401049
I agree that it’s being used as an excuse to pass off doing evil shit to the general population, probably was a bad example tbh. I meant that often not having the “right wing dissident line (tm)” on a given subject will just be used as an excuse to stop listening.
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 No.401082

>>400992
In what app can you find that in their main channels pro-socialist voices have as much or more support then anti-socialist voices, Facebook or Youtube? heck no! maybe Tiktok or twitter.
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 No.401102

>>401069
B-but no no no no no no no THAT MEANS THAT MY DISSIDENCE IS NOT UNIQUE!?KJAIRONOS RIGHT BROS …. Im feeling weak! !!!! Ahhhh! !! THE LEFT THE LEFT US CRING
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 No.401211

>>400907
All the shit comes from that one forum why
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 No.401232

Literally stormfront.

4chan was originally an anarchist thinking style of community. (NOT ANARKIDDY BULLSHIT. Good anarchist shit.)


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 No.401026[Reply]

Why exactly did Trotsky support the gold standard? Was his support of it reasonable at the time? Concerning the fait currency debate, how should a modern Marxist this dilemma?
>inb4 this isn't worth a thread
Then you should've replied to the question when I posted it in the QTDDTOT thread.
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 No.401172

If you aspire at all towards the "scientific" socialism espoused by Marx and Engels, you'll recognize that modern monetary theory has all the actual empirical support behind it. Goldbuggery is wrong and stems from an ahistorical understanding of money.
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 No.401175

>in the QTDDTOT thread
Let's be honest those kinds of threads have only ever functioned to kill the rate of engaging, informative discussion thread creation.
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 No.401209

I tried looking it up, it seems that his claim was specifically about the Soviet Union, and he was afraid that basing the Rubel on something other than gold would exclude it from the global market which would lead to the decline of the economy.
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 No.401216

>>401026
At the time pegging the currency to gold was seen as a way to stabilise prices and prevent massive inflation, either that or integration into the world financial markets and access to state foreign currency exchanges that would ensure the good reputation and reliability of the currency abroad. At the time the nascent soviet state was severely lacking in the latter due to the whole 'everyone else wants us dead' factor so the gold standard was the natural alternative.
Fiscal policy and the thinking about inflation changed a lot since the 20s and no one holds to the gold standard anymore, so none of the conditions apply and the question isn't relevant to modern conditions.
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 No.401224

>>401164
Lol this already happened with oldbo purges


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 No.396247[Reply]

Who would you say are the most 'accessible' leftist figures? Like if you asked the average worker about them they would say "Yeah I agree with their beliefs".
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 No.401115

>>396247
can he even be considered a leftist? i think of him more like a right wing laborist like vargas and peron
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 No.401121

I mean I guess if you explained the ideas of most revolutionaries to the common worker they would agree too even if they had never heard of the guy before (prolly better if they havent since any well known revolutionary has been demonized)
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 No.401200

>>396729
>and he even yelled at her after that
Sauce?
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 No.401202

>>396734
Yeah, fucking this. Why do I give a shit about whether someone calls himself a "SocDem" or a "socialist" or what ever, when they are shitting on Cuba. Actions is where it matters.
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 No.401214

>>396648
>informant hack with a cozy academic position telling people to vote for Clinton
Nice, get people into that radical-to-Dem pipeline.


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 No.211966[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for all things Nordic. Recommended languages: Finnish, Scandinavian and English.
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 No.398659

>>398639
The EU is a paid subscription to neoliberalism, so yes of course.
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 No.398861

>>377944
>>398528
Tack.
>jag misstänker att de inte är superpeppade på att ha ML:ar som medlemmar
Det är ingen fara gissar jag. Det är enormt att de är ett proletärt, klasskämpande utifrån industriprincipen till att börja med, och att de tydligen också är facket som lyckas strejka mest just nu (de växer även).
Om de visar sig vara överrepresenterat i ideologiska anarkister (vilket jag tvekar på lite) så kan jag bara luta på Marx (vilket onekligen ändå är en hit bland en markant andel) och Hönskatapulten (i vissa områden såsom direkt-demokrati och kommunism utan att nödvändingtvis nämna honom)… De behöver inte veta min positiva syn på Lenin och Stalin, ha disputer över definition av staten, etc… Det är en fackförening, inte ett parti, trots allt. Det handlar huvudsakligen om att få in så många arbetare som möjligt in i denna organisation, i formering av ett kamporgan i deras klassintresse. Om man märker att vissa individer därefter även är lämpade för det kommunistiska partiet så får man väl ge dom en pamflett i privat, hehe.
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 No.400727

>>398861
What does this say… can you use English? Every other Nord here uses English. They have the courtesy to discuss things in a common language, on the thread's given one, and it would be nice if you would include yourself to that topic.
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 No.400993

>>400727
Thanks.
> I suspect that they are not super excited to have MLs as members
There is no danger, I guess. It is enormous that they are a proletarian, class-fighting based on the industrial principle to begin with, and that they are apparently also the union that is succeeding in striking the most right now (they are also growing).
If they turn out to be overrepresented in ideological anarchists (which I doubt a bit) then I can only lean on Marx (which is undeniably still a hit among a significant proportion) and the Chicken Coop (in some areas such as direct democracy and communism without necessarily mention him)… They do not need to know my positive view of Lenin and Stalin, have disputes over the definition of the state, etc… It is a trade union, not a party, after all. It is mainly a matter of getting as many workers as possible into this organization, in forming a fighting body in their class interest. If you notice that some individuals are then also suitable for the Communist Party, you must give them a pamphlet in private, hehe.

(Here you go)


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 No.392496[Reply]

Be honest with me bros, are we winning the fight against neoliberalism/capitalism/fascism worldwide? Is socialism/communism more popular today than in 1991 when the USSR collapsed? Is the future bright for the leftist camp in general terms?
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 No.393958

>>393957
No shit, they say that they are currently in the primary stage of building socialism
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 No.393960

As an outsider looking in, I would say no. The only real socialist countries today are NK, Venezuela, and Cuba afaik, and most of you ignore they exist in favor of promoting the very obvious capitalist state of China.
Capitalism has consolidated power on a global scale now, much more so than in past decades. They have millions of soldiers, nuclear weapons, and they're the goal that developing nations have for themselves.
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 No.394592

>>393960
>Leftypol does NOT have a hate boner for dengists and at best critically supports the PRC
I can tell you’re an outsider
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 No.400874

Bump thread
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 No.400908

No
Most communist parties can't even recognise the coronafascist worldwide assault.


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 No.400449[Reply]

I need a good answer for that, it doesn't make any sense
Why are they so hypocritic on everything? They are bragging about how people are not equal, masses are dumb and inferior should serve superior but then they cry about their conspiracies and scream "muh pods muh bugs"
İt makes you very confused…
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 No.400508

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Manichean, polarized internal mental universe. Everything is either good or evil, pure or impure, clean or dirty, or there are only saved and sinners, Heaven and Hell, God and Devil, whites (good and clean) vs. non-whites (dirty and evil) and on and on. Above vs. below. Superiors and inferiors. We = strong. Leftists = weak. Any kind of formulation you want. This is how these guys think, if you can call it thinking.

They think in static, fixed, unchanging categories. They are uncomfortable with contradictions existing internally within a subject. They don't understand how turn into their opposites over time. Because things don't change. The strong can't become weak, and the weak can't become strong. Or if that does happen, it's not because one's strengths were used against them, or a strength in one respect was a weaknesses in another respect (or not apparent in the beginning), or those who were weak in one respect were not weak in another respect, which allowed them to defeat the strong. Because how can the weak defeat the strong? No, it's because of some outside or external force interrupted this static, fixed, unchanging, "natural" state of things; i.e. Jews or Masons or Luciferians or Reptilians from outer space or whatever. They intervened to disrupt this universe. Why? Because they're evil and want to destroy the world!

And this all emerged from some Middle Eastern cult shit a couple thousand years ago.
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 No.400513

>>400508
>muh kikes
>muh masons
>muh luciferians
>muh reptilians
Go home reactionary not your place here
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 No.400520

>>400513
Are you an ESL ? He makes fun of them
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 No.400526

>>400520
Yeah. I'm from Indonesia btw
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 No.400895

They love whining and crying more than they love pretending to be alpha chads


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