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 No.398345[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Can somebody explain me what the problem is with "revisionism"?
Marx couldn't figure out everything, we have to innovate Marxism, introduce new ideas and concepts from lived experiences, we can't follow dogmatic principles that restrain our range of action and then be surprised when innovative Marxist countries perform way better than the rest of the world, including us.
China is becoming richer and richer while still following core Marxist principles, the height of the economy is controlled by the State in strategic areas, and the private sector is going to become more and more integrated into the state sector, the difference between the two are blurring.

The Leftists screeching about "revisionism" are impotent, weak and pathetic. They will never build something as beautiful as modern China, they will always be focused on petty issues like the "revisionists inside the other party" or the cultural issue of the day.
There is no hope for Marxism-Leninism in the West unless we openly adopt Chinese-style revisionism and actually start to advocate for real material change. Being a Communist is about building the productive forces toward Socialism and Communism, the material relations of productions will automatically follow our level of development, which is why the CPC is advocating for Marxism more than ever, because they are close to building actual Socialism in China.

We should stop associating with anarchists and the other dregs of society, we need innovators, entrepreneurs, engineers and of course workers (but a big part of them - 60% in my home country for instance - have fallen for right-wing populism so most "leftists" hate them). For Leftism to rise again it must take on a new class character, we must embrace the fact that the middle-class is also the working class now and we must fight for their interest. This mean we need to take inspiration from the Three Represents of Jiang Zemin but of course this will trigger the "anti-revisionists" lefties despite them agreeing implicitly with the concept.

Leftism isn't idealism, we won't convert the working class back to Communism using old-school rhetoric, advocating for LGBTQ rights won't help us too since not only 60% of the working class is opposed to it, neoliberals and socdems parties have already appropriated this issue for themselves. We need a new platform, focused on building the productive forces and making everyone richer, strengthen the nation and promote thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.407199

>>407193
>change from subsistence farming to wage labor is a statistical trick
interdasting
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 No.407201

>>398358
Close, but not exactly. PMCs arose between politburos and workers - they were literally managers, the "technocrats". This class had its own interests and slowly gained representatives in politburo itself - "liberals". It was usually these people that pushed for various reforms and liberalizations which lead to crippled frankenstein systems and ultimately to full transitions to capitalism.
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 No.407205

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>>407199
Because most of the time it is measured in wages and when it goes above some arbitrary line (usually quite low), voila, we have reduced poverty. The thing is, subsitence farming does not necessarily means lower living standards than being a wageslave, especially if you stop thinking about cushy office jobs. Imagine you being a farmer who grew enough produce to sustain your family and live realtively well, then you are working in a mine for a wage just large enough to cross some arbitrary line, your living conditions are worsened, perhaps you can't even sustain your own faily anymore and your children and wife have to work in the mine too, but at least you are no longer poor. In the statistics, at least.
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 No.407213

>>407169
>successes of Mao's socialist policies
Don’t make me laugh
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 No.407240

>>407213
Please, laugh as much as you like to get it out of your system. Then take a look at what's left: sadness, depression, doom and gloom with copious amounts of copium in order to survive cognitive dissonance.


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 No.405670[Reply]

Is Marx a statist? I watched this video earlier that said he wasn't. He said that since the Soviet Union didn't abolish wage labor. It was merely social democracy and not real communism/socialism. The Soviet Union turned bad with Stalin and deviated from Marx's true vision of a society with no government. Is this view actually correct?
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 No.406999

>>406981
>Libertarian Socialist Rants
>Punkerslut
>and lastly, a refutation in meme form
I hope you are not serious with those "rebuttals". "Authoritarianism" was not a term that already existed in the 19th century, it's rise within the discourse is connected to the rise of liberal theories of an "open society" (Karl Popper) and "totalitarianism" (Hannah Arendt) in which anarchists dabbled a lot after World War II to rationalize them being terminally outcompeted by Leninism everywhere in the world. Engels points out correctly that "authority" as a category is a non-sequitur because for those on the receiving end of authority, the form of which it takes does not matter. It doesn't matter for a capitalist or a landlord whether they are expropriated by the NKVD or a democratically confederated anarchist militia, it would still be one class authoritatively imposing its will on another. There is no way you can argue that the manifestation of political power could ever exist without authority.

There is also a good critique of the category of totalitarianism by Losurdo, which is of course not the same as "authoritarianism" but since those two terms are usually used interchangeably, it feels relevant:

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-dfBD-isycOcvHvqS/Domenico%20Losurdo%20--%20Towards%20a%20Critique%20of%20the%20Category%20of%20Totalitarianism_djvu.txt
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 No.407016

>>406981
I am well aware of anarchist responses to Engels, but something tells me OP has not read either of these. one large stumbling block is that Marxists and anarchists don't agree on what the state even is. so fruitful discussion will be hard to come by. this isn't to say that anarchists can't have useful critiques, for example the tendency of bureaucracy to breed corruption
also, from AFAQ:
>anarchists, as we indicated in section B.1, do not oppose all forms of authority
but also that post cites ziq, who I know holds the opposite view. so not even among anarchists is there agreement what exactly it is they oppose. thus a fun way to troll anarchists is to ask them whether they support "justified hierarchies" or not
I will also point out here that Bakunin is fine with deferring to experts ("authorities"), which is very much a key point in Lenin's organizational tactic
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 No.407178

>>407016

A conpletely tangential note: There is an irony with bureaucracy insofar as handling its potential corruption:

That is to say one has to have it be slightly large in terms of personnel than strictly necessary, and in so doing one has decent reserve pool of people with which the corrupt elements can be replaced in a pinch.
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 No.407195

>>406999
Based Losurdo trips.
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 No.407210

>>407178
this, and there is also the tendency for only the lower levels to get axed whenever the bureaucracy needs to shrink. I see this at uni for example. so it's not without its problems


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 No.405586[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Was he intelligent all along? Did he play democrats and his followers like a fiddle? I can't put my finger on it, but his actions and words weren't just retardation, but deliberate, no? Some real narcissism mixed in it seems like an act to me in retrospect.
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 No.407163

>>407143
in his case it is because the conclusion is the opposite of that of a material analysis
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>>407083
Trump wasn't a boogeyman, he was just an annoying faggot from New York. Just a continuation of the Bush presidency but more incompetent. The good thing about trump is that his a good distraction for the right wing. His supporters continue to follow him despite being abandoned multiple times. Twice in the literal cold. He lead them to the capitol where he abandoned them again and went on Twitter to call them "special people" and to stand down. Trump could have coup the government on Jan 6th. The generals said they were just going to resign, the capitol police were obviously in on it, there were senators and congress people on the inside that would have helped. Instead what happen was there a tour of the building and several people died 3 stooges style accidents. His supporters continue to alienate themselves from their families and community. They put themselves in danger with stupid medical advice from the vitamin hawkers that surround the trump Fandom. They organize pretty effectively but over Qanon goose chases and imaginary pizza basements.
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 No.407348

>>407227
>Trump wasn't a boogeyman
Trump lives rent free in the minds of every liberal even to this day
they are scared shitless

>he was just an annoying faggot from New York

lol cope

>Just a continuation of the Bush presidency but more incompetent

nope Obama had more in common with Bush then Trump did.


>His supporters continue to follow him despite being abandoned multiple times. Twice in the literal cold

bad logistics of a rally = Trump abandoning his fans
lol massive grasping at straws
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 No.407508

>>407348
>Trump being a retarded failure that couldn't organize a rally is just liberal cope

Okay

>bush = Obama > Trump = bush


Doesn't really matter who was more like bush. IMO Trump is more like bush but Obama is more like what bush and the neocons wanted to be. In a way much worse since Obama was a more competent steward of U.S empire.

>there was no attempted coup


Since one of the guys tazed himself in the balls to death and 2 guys died from being to fucking old and excited. I can see why that narrative is being spun. Regardless if it wasn't a coup or not, Trump certainly had the opportunity since the master plan of trumps opposite in the military was to resign and write and op-ed. And the capitol police were more than willing to help. Which speaking of libs its funny now they are putting those idiots on a pedestal right even those pigs are going to be on OAN in a year talking about how they can arrest Nancy Pelosi because she didn't hug the flag or something.

Not that you'll understand any of this. It's obvious you think trump is epic or some shit and that the libs were actually triggered and didn't get everything they wanted out of the trump administration.
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 No.407798

>>407082
>Wrong, read The Eighteenth Brumaire
Can you elaborate a little? What will I find in there
>>407102
>How renegade was he when people like Mercer and Thiel supported him? Slapping tarrifs on stuff wasn't that renegade, it was mostly just rhetoric.
>Steve Bannon wasn't bourgeois but he was the actual renegade and he was removed fairly quickly.
Yea but Bannon was the reason trump even called himself a populist. Watch his interview. Bannon called himself a leninist, jokingly, and also got interviewed by red scare pod


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 No.407001[Reply]

Opinions and discussions welcome!

What do you guys think about K-Pop and its artists? It has become so hot lately. Just look at BTS and other K-pop groups like Stray Kids. As an ex-fan I honestly think their songs are great. Where do you guys position yourselves in? Do you think that their music is great? Do you think that communist music are far much better than these genres?
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 No.407006

>>407003
They're not going to. Several posts are locked and moved to /b/ so in this case it would just be transferred there.
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 No.407007

>>407001
>As an ex-fan I honestly think their songs are great
What did xir mean by this? Do you no longer like them?
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 No.407008

>>407007
I no longer stan them. I also no longer listen to their songs everyday.
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 No.407009

Moved to >>>/music/2487.
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 No.407010

Moved to >>>/music/2495.


 No.403606[Reply]

Seriously. Why the fuck is no one talking about this fucking retard and his fucking dumb ass plan to launch 40,000 satellites into low earth orbit? This is not only problematic, but, it is fucking LUNACY.

First of all 90% of the modern internet functions over literal LAND LINES even the connection between bongs and burgers happens over a giant LAN cable that literally crossing the Atlantic ocean. It makes no sense.

But wait, it gets even worse: So the down side of launching 42,000 satellites into space is that if one piece of debris hits one of these satellites and breaks it into a ton of smaller piece which then hit other satellites….and breaks them into smaller pieces….etc etc we find ourselves in a pattern of exponential growth where we end up locking ourselves the fuck into a PRISON on earth with no escape because we end of with trillions of pieces of debris flying around at light speed making any missions to space, satellites being launched to space, or anything involving space impossible.

Not only that but they are starting to interfere with cosmology because when you have thousands of satellites flying around low earth orbit they get in the way of imaging in space.

Essentially the combination of these two things is going to kill cosmology and make understanding the universe and our place in it IMPOSSIBLE because we will be unable to launch any satellites into space and imaging will become impossible from earth. Thanks to the kessler function (the exponential growth of space debris.) Only knowing the universe from imagery gathered from pre kessler periods.

The only reason the retard is launching these gay satalies in the first place is to appeal to gamers too as latency only matters to gamers (his target audience) but it doesn't even matter cause REAL gamers will just use fucking a fucking lan cable in the first place.

Seriously, What can we do to stop this man? This precedes socialism. This is a problem that is unfolding before our very eyes right now. Something must be done to stop these retarded billionaire faggots. REEEEEE WHAT THE FUCK /LEFTYPOL/?
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 No.404890

>>403606
I think this is a good analysis except for the signal delay argument, nobody needs <insert tech capacity> is not valid. We should strive for improving technical specs because eventually some useful application will need it. Even today signal delay is bad not only for twitch reaction video-games but also for voice calls. Geo stationary satellite internet has about 3 seconds of signal delay, which makes conversations tedious.

But all the other arguments against massive numbers of low orbit satellites are correct. So i guess i have to make an attempt of rescuing musks concept. Or at least some of it. To make this cheaper the satellites have to become dumb signal reflectors, so that you just use them to bounce ground signals back to earth, from one location to another. They just would need to be dishes made out of fine metal mesh in a slightly concave shape. They only need a system for keeping the satellite oriented. The mesh is a lot less visible than the giant solar panel, which might improve picture quality for sky gazing. It should also reduce satellite mass during rocket launch and later as space trash. Of course this means that satellites don't function as signal relay stations that can relay information across many satellites, which means it's not going to work in the middle of the ocean or if the ground internet fails, or for mounting spy equipment. But dumb reflectors don't have a saturation limit and could serve as many people as you can fit inside the service cone. The only way to make the uplink cheap is to make it a use a big unsightly mesh reflector that needs to be electrically protected by a tall pole with a lightning rod.

Now for the argument that this will make the Kessler syndrome worse, that is true, but we sort of have too much space litter already and we should invest into a giant sun colimator satellite that can burn space debris out of the sky with concentrated sunlight. Because there are already many other projects that want to use millions of tiny satellites just a few centimeters in size.

If you feel the impulse to berate me, you should know that my version has no military uses, it's really just usable for serving internet to remote locations, and that's why it'll never get build.
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 No.405114

> billionaire must die

Fully agree. The vast majority do. How many people do you think were wishing that blue origin would explode in takeoff? It's a fucking rocket. All that was needed was one brave soul to flip a switch at the wrong time.


Here's the thing. The ruling class today is more equivalent to Pharaohs than Kings. You never read about Pharaohs getting yeeted. Why? Because the masses are now, and have always been, cowardly and short-sighted. So no, they won't produce the chad assassin who kills of the super rich. The last gasps of left militancy of the RAF and Weather Underground went out during occupy wall street, when the protestors thought peacefully camping out was a better idea than taking ARs to the NYSE and just shooting the fucking tapeworms.

People need to stop TALKING about it and start BEING about it.
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 No.406904

>>405114
>Weather Underground
>left
Lol no. Those guys were a massive meme
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 No.406962

>>405114
Dying in a firey rocket explosion is a hero's death. Bezos doesn't deserve that, he would have gotten the same honors as real pioneers, astronauts and test pilots.
if you want justice, you make him deliver boxes , piss in bottles and mill about in a amazone warehouse until he croaks of old age.


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 No.405246[Reply]

Is there any literature on applying principles from mathematical optimization and operations research to the socialist planning? These are highly developed fields that are extensively used in very similar problems.
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 No.405248

>>405246
>to the socialist planning
to the socialist planning problem
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 No.405443

here's some tips I got from cockshott in a recent discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Veduta His daughter is working on English translations
https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691003931/the-socialist-system
https://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-planning-structural-decisions-Contributions/dp/0444107347
https://1lib.sk/book/2481030/a891e5 Socialist Planning, Michael Ellman
https://1lib.sk/book/2191598/3affcd Planning Problems in the USSR: The Contribution of Mathematical Economics to their Solution 1960-1971, Michael Ellman
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 No.406905

>>405248
What problem?
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 No.406915

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 No.403542[Reply]

(TL;DR at bottom of post)

Introduction

A long-running debate among American socialists is whether or not they should run for public office as Democrats or as third parties. The main argument from those who advocate for running as Democrats is that is nearly impossible to win elections on a third party ballot, while the main argument from those who advocate running as third parties is that running as Democrats will inevitably dilute a given candidate's radicalism and cause them to sell out to the political establishment. While there is merit to both arguments, the fact of the matter is that neither strategy has yielded much success. The United States is still locked in a two-party system, with neither of those parties representing the working class.

I know of at least one proposal that has been made to reconcile these two approaches, that being the dirty break strategy. The dirty break strategy proposes that socialists run as Democrats until they are strong enough to be able to win elections on third party tickets, at which point they would switch to a third party. However, I have so far seen neither any serious effort to carry out this strategy nor any specific criteria for when the "dirty break" should be made.

With these issues in mind, I would like to propose a new (or at least new to me) strategy: pseudo-parties. How does a pseudo-party operate? Two main parts: running on a Democratic Party ticket (at least most of the time) and strict control of elected pseudo-party members by the pseudo-party.

Strict control of elected officials

One issue that seems to exist with most or all elected progressive Democrats right now is that they generally seem to be reluctant to play hardball with the Democratic Party establishment. While right-wing Democrats, like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, are willing to torpedo bills backed by the Democratic Party and force concessions, progressive Democrats, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders, seem more reluctant to do so. The Force-the-Vote drama from a few months back is one example of this. My suspicion here is that they have little incentive to play hardball — the political cost (estrangement from the Democratic Party establishment) is too high and the political gain too low (likely to be re-elected whether they play hardball or not).

My pseudo-party proposal aims to increase the incentive Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.406880

>>406801
>>406878 (me)
Also, see these posts
>>404496
>>404521
>>404525
They discuss a proposal within DSA to adopt a strategy similar to the one I outlined in my OP
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 No.406889

Communists couldn't win elections in eastern Europe post Ww2 while the countries were occupied by the red army
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 No.406891

>>406889
Who said anything about communists? I advocate for a big-tent organization for a wide range of leftist tendencies. If you broaden your focus from "communists" to "leftists", then plenty of leftists have gotten parliamentary majorities in capitalist countries.
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 No.406908

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>>403648
>What you described is literally just entryism, where you have a covert party-within-a-party. The Trotskyists have already tried this, and while their greatest success was getting a couple Labour MPs, they got pretty quickly crushed.
There was also the case of the entryists in SSU, the youth wing of SAP during the 80s in Sweden. It's still a kinda legendary thing here.

And then there's GOP. They are facing a frontal assault, as subtle as a blizzard.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1419868621312991240
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 No.406910

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>>404364
>You're half right: electoralism cannot get us to communism because of the anti-democratic "checks and balances" of the liberal constitutional regime. That doesn't mean we should abandon electoral politics in favor of exclusively street actions though, because that strategy has failed for many decades. Instead we need to use electoral politics specifically to expose the corruption of the "liberal democracy" and demonstrate why revolutionary change is needed.
Sounds like an "Anytime soon now!"-moment.

And yeah, communism has a serious branding problem. States that called themselves communists had constant brain drain etc. For instance, soviet fighter planes had the absolute minimum of fuel storage in order to stifle defections. But hey, there's always [spoiler]the argumentum ad false consciousness[/spoiler] when everything else fails. :^)


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 No.406511[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Half of this board is an Stalin acolyte but no one follows his actual views. He is without a doubt a traditionalist/conservative. He recriminalized homosexuality, recriminalized abortion, reversed all the women's rights laws put in by previous government, put restrictions on divorce. He hated the avant garde of the Soviet Union and built traditional buildings and had a generally traditional view of art. He would have sent postmodernists to the gulag.
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 No.406888

>>406872
>all the buildings in the USSR were built in the traditional style
They weren't in the first place, they were built in a variety of styles, most of which wouldn't even count as "traditional" in Russia.
>without the go ahead from Stalin
He was the general secretary of the party, not minister of architecture or construction, yeah this wasn't under his jurisdiction. The prizes being given is the closest his personal taste could be influencing the architects but even then they would have to guess what kinda shit he'd like and majority of buildings weren't designed with prize in mind anyway.

I get that you like the era's style (I do as well) but there's no reason to both classify it as "trad" and attribute it to tastes of a single guy, it reflects the taste and aspirations of the whole of soviet society of that time.
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 No.406896

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WAOW SAGED?????? THIS IS HOW MUCHJ THE LEFT CAN TAKER CRITICISM AT THEIR IDOLS!!!!!!!!1111111111
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 No.406899

"Staling was based and trad" isn't exactly criticism.
Just factually wrong, not to mention projecting contemporary culture war on a history figure.
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 No.408061

>>406899
he was "trad" as compared to the developed country portrayal of the Marxist archetype. The criticism is that the 21st century Marxists have been infiltrated by clear subversives and preach progressivism over Marxism.
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 No.408983

>>406896
It was saged because the OP's post history was just bad-faith shitposting and so was the OP, but the thread had already become half-decent so deleting wasn't appropriate. Nothing to do with the topic itsef.


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 No.406662[Reply]

What's the deal with this guy? After reading a bit it seems to me that he was an authoritarian cambodian nationalist (even using Nazi shit like superior cambodian race and genetics propaganda) LARP'ing as a communist for a while until the real communists (the vietnamese) invaded Cambodia and destroyed his government, after that he dropped the pretense of communism (Even receiving help from the CIA) and just started fighting the vietnamese without a clear ideology until he died in prison.

Is this accurate? What's the consensus about him?
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 No.406816

>>406813
Oh. But I could formulate a reason on why I thought you're serious: Poe's Law.
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 No.406818

>>406816
>legit revolutionary who fought against a US-backed monarchy but once in power he made the wrong choices
Yeah. They should'veunited and made an Indochinese federation and henceforth invade Indonesia via direct action should they unify militarily and politically.
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 No.406832

What was the political rationale for the Vietnam invasion? What did Vietnam say? Yeah we're invading another communist country to liberate their people…from communism?
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 No.406834

>>406832
Ba Chuc.
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 No.406840

>>406834
Alongside Ba Chuc was China's support for Cambodia (at that time relations are still strained within the Soviet and Chinese) and Pol Pot in general.


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 No.377071[Reply]

Yeah, the title is an attention bait, but try to say where I'm wrong

While majority of people here are anti capitalist, there barely is any capitalism left in the actual world,

Capitalism can be thought of as a market society, where everything gets turned into commodity including people for profit, but markets barely exist anymore. Everything nowadays is done by computers and owned by like 4-15 people. There's no competition or markets to speak of in such cases. Google has a monopoly on it's app store, which is easily where 80% of online purchases are made and they can easily kick every competitor they want with a click of a button. Amazon too has a monopoly on physical goods and all of the purchases run on a computer without seeing any sort of market.

Furthermore, profit isn't a central part of the economy anymore. Nearly all of these mega corps run on loss. They just have banks and venture capitalist throw money in them, which funny enough actually works. Both the venture capitalist and the companies get larger and control even more with that.

There's still a labor market, but for how long that will too exist? I can't imagine it existing 3 decades from now, assuming things stay the way they are.

So isn't being traditionally left wing today being like being anti feudal just before industrial revolution? Because people here talk as if we lived in 1950s or so, maybe even earlier.
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 No.379368

Capitalism is when you're "evil" like a 19th century factory owner.
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 No.379370

>>379368
Retard
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 No.379382

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>>377071
Just sage this.
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 No.394049

>>377355
>Even if the size of various capitals has increased tremendously, none are total monopolies in given sectors (big retailers like walmart still compete with amazon for example, along with smaller ones).

Google??
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 No.406709

>>377071
human are commodified bruh, thing is it doesn't require capitalism

resources have determined male/female relationships pretty much everywhere outside Fourierian communities


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