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Free Tibet Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:31:37 No.397196 [Reply]

What exactly is wrong with independence and self-determination for all peoples? Why force a whole group of people to be part of a state they don't have any attachment to?

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:51:48 No.397258

>free beer
I'll take it

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Anonymous 2021-07-24 (Sat) 00:06:00 No.397287

>>397220
>whitoid hands wrote this post

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Anonymous 2021-07-24 (Sat) 00:17:27 No.397319

>>397196
>What exactly is wrong with independence and self-determination for all peoples? Why force a whole group of people to be part of a state they don't have any attachment to?

Nothing really, but your implicit argument is majorly premised in that there is consistency in what you're advocating for. In that major premise is the falsity of it.

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Anonymous 2021-07-24 (Sat) 00:21:01 No.397333

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NOOOO!!! STAHP OPRESSINGH USSS!!

(brought to you by Victims of Communism inc.)

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Anonymous 2021-07-24 (Sat) 00:23:00 No.397337

>>397196

https://threader.app/thread/1370774669100515329

Please read this thread anon. Great summary of what Tibet was like pre-PRC. Radically changed my view of the place.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:58:57 No.396885 [Reply]

>Haha anarchists are so dumb we need hierarchies to establish a society
>oh what humans throughout most of their history have survived through 100s If not thousands of plagues, famines, and geographical disasters while living in disorganized self sufficient tribes? Why does that matter obviously humans arent self preservational

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:25:07 No.397181

>>397178
I'm confused because what you're describing to me, is a peaceful transition from a bourgeois-worker government to a worker government.
You can see why, as a Marxist, I'm skeptical.

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AusJuche!ZXQDW3xEPE 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:25:50 No.397182

>>397132
I remind myself that people like OP come from the same base as the kinds of people who open up cupcake shops in major cities with a business model based on unironic internalization of the just-world fallacy and "We'll tell all of our friends about it!" which end up closing down in 9/10 cases as they completely bungle logistics on every feasible level, having absolutely no grasp on any kind of organizational or management skills.

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2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:27:26 No.397185

>>397181
because to describe it as a "bourgeois worker government" is inaccurate. if the vast majority of the government is proletarian but also includes a bourgeois minority, that can transfer peacefully (because the proletariat is already in charge).

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:30:12 No.397194

>>397185
I see, thanks for the explanation. I'll have to do my own reading, but I appreciate that you responded to my questions.

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Anonymous 2021-07-24 (Sat) 00:13:54 No.397306

>>397103
building capitalism in one country sounds more like a realistic idea tbh.

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Hegel justifies the downfall of the Soviet Union Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:01:15 No.396888 [Reply]

The real is rational and the rational is real. This is one of the basic pronciples of Hegel's philosophy. But this means, the downfall of the Soviet Union was a good thing, because the system was obviously not rational and therefore it had to vanish.

Bonus question: Doesn't Hegelianism justify imperialism? I would say "Yes". What do fellow Hegelians think?

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:01:44 No.397024

>>397022
Real life isn't like a Civilization tech tree

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:03:26 No.397028

>>397024
Dialectics claims it is.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:41:07 No.397221

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>>396888
How about I falcon punch your sister and poundfuck her while you watch you faggot hegelist

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:46:15 No.397235

>>397028
It really doesn’t. The stages described by marx and engels are descriptive for western europe and what was important was the fact that internal contradictions within system will eventually cause it to change. Never mind that the dialectical nature of the struggle entails a constant back and forth and dynamic unstable equilibrium. Capitalism wasn’t immediately instantiated by the French Revolution as a world system either, much less bourgeois parliamentarianism.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:47:10 No.397238

>>397028
Prove it

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What the fuck is going on with Canada? Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:26:00 No.396833 [Reply]

Tweet: https://twitter.com/cbcnews/status/1418586728592445445
Story: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/victims-communism-memorial-fascists-1.6112809

Imagine having massive public outcry to indigenous mass graves (https://archive.li/pWM31) then building a monument to Nazis instead of doing damage control.

Fuck kkkanada.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:06:03 No.396898

>>396861
>Zionist lobby are desperate to keep the narrarive their holocaust narrative alive along with the myth that if we allow criticism for Israel for even a moment we're going to be complicit in another shoah.
Explain

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:51:56 No.397006

>>396861
Surprised? No. I'm not surprised.

What I am is disgusted.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:06:48 No.397031

>>396898
Zionists frequently exploit past or present acts of anti-Semitism in order to deflect criticism of the acts of wealthy Jews and the Israeli state, conflating criticism with attack and particular Jews or the state of Israel with all Jews or even Jewishness itself. You can just look at the response to Ben and Jerry's recent decision not to sell ice cream in occupied territories as an example.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:18:25 No.397044

>>396861

In this particular case its just banderite descendants being banderites.

I hope this escalates interprovincial divisions in Canada.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 23:43:52 No.397227

Victims of communism memorial received donations honouring fascists, Nazi collaborators, according to website

>An organization calling itself the General Committee of United Croats of Canada purchased virtual bricks dedicated to Ante Pavelić, describing him only as a "doctor of laws."

<If Canada commemorates Ante Pavelić or Roman Shukhevych, it can throw its human rights record right in the trash.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/victims-communism-memorial-fascists-1.6112809

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:21:55 No.396926[Reply]

>Yes, our news media is entirely owned and run by Jews
>Yes, our entertainment industry is entirely owned and run by Jews
>Yes, our largest and most powerful financial institutions are owned and run by Jews
>Yes, the richest people in the US are Jews
>Yes, the wealthiest landlords in the US are Jews
>Yes, the white house is full of Jews
>Yes, our highest judicial institution, the American Supreme Court, is half jewish
>Yes, all of our presidents and presidential candidates kneel to the AIPAC
>Yes, all of our most prestigious universities are filled to the brim with semites
>Yes, our most respected university professors are Jewish.
>Yes, all of our social movements have been spearheaded by Jewish intellectuals
>Yes, our religion is Jewish
>Yes, most Americans consider Jews to be the Chosen People
>Yes, our foreign policy is entirely dedicated towards defending Israel and helping it expands

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:40:28 No.396974

>>396964
All of that is true

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:42:22 No.396981

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Rent free

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:04:37 No.397029

>>396964
>>Yes, our religion is Jewish
If it's referring to Christianity, just because it came from Jews doesn't mean it's necessarily Jewish.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:07:08 No.397032

Jews are based /thread

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Anonymous ## Mod 2021-07-23 (Fri) 22:07:54 No.397033

Moved to >>>/b/112215.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 18:10:27 No.396609 [Reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVNjgLLQnSg&t what are your thoughts on this video? It's a response to Hakim's ECP video. How would you respond to it's points and arguments? It seems the Economic Calculation Problem holds true.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 18:51:33 No.396663

Post videos in the embed

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 18:52:31 No.396664

>>396663
no

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 18:58:36 No.396675

>Looks at sources
This faggot literally just took every paper Hakim used and typed "response" or "debunk" for each of them into google, didn't he?

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:22:02 No.396830

>>396675
>took every paper
You are vastly overestimating him

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:53:51 No.397010

>>396646
It is not, lol
It represents an extension of the subjective utility preference view and is a main argument against a coercive transition to commienism.

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New Multitude- For Leftypol, by Leftypol! Anonymous 2021-05-08 (Sat) 05:19:04 No.231028 [Reply]

Just want to revive the New Multitude thread. New Multitude has left wing perspective from all around the world and seeks contributions from anons too. Some articles are already written by anons. Send your thoughts and drafts to [email protected]

<South America
https://newmultitude.org/frankensteins-monster-in-brazil-a-rant-on-culture/

<Europe
https://newmultitude.org/is-the-uk-a-managed-democracy/
https://newmultitude.org/mukastanacsok-in-the-midst-of-the-1956-revolution/

<Southeast Asia
https://newmultitude.org/the-democratic-foundations-of-marxism/
https://newmultitude.org/singapore-let-they-who-reject-meritocracy-cast-the-first-stone/

<Africa
https://newmultitude.org/a-brief-history-of-nigerias-left/
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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 08:38:17 No.387364

>>385853
That all sounds great.

Don't know much about Palestine, but what you suggested sounds interesting. If you're going to argue against the culturalist/islamist side to the activism, it would also be good to highlight where you think the positive activism is coming from too.

Definitely think the disability is understudied on leftypol. I think perhaps it's often just seen as a idpol optional extra. I think modern eugenics is an extremly important and grim area that needs bringing to the fore, especially when in all spheres of production, people are increasingly thought of in terms of their (capitalist) productive value.

World Systems Theory is also good. I don't know if you saw it, but we just published an article (https://newmultitude.org/friends-coffee-and-genocide-the-limits-of-globalization/) that looks at how cultural products connect to commodities in the world system. Would be happy to have any article that looks at these theories, are you familiar with John Smith too?

It might be easier to communicate via twitter if you want to, but no worries if you don't have or want an account. Hope to hear from you soon!

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Anonymous 2021-07-22 (Thu) 14:58:51 No.394058

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new post up today..the excellent look at the labour theory of value and why we can't apply it to video game economies like Runescape by Comrade Rat.

is there some kind of "lefty vidya" subreddit someone could post this too?

https://newmultitude.org/runescape-marxism-and-video-game-economies/

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 04:57:36 No.395760

>>394058
Interesting read, would be nice if the writer did analyze the price changes in nature runes, law runes, iron ore, food to see how more applicable LTV is.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:56:11 No.396883

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Hi, author of the Settlers review, finally back with my promised updated version. I think it's far, far better, especially as my other one was nothing more than a rushed effortpost. To the Editors of New Multitude, you have my full permission to add this article to your site, and I'd actually quite appreciate it if you replace the old review with this new one, particularly as I am not too happy with my old one. In this document, I also give the name I'd like used in place of "JTP", which was an acronym I had previously used in the spur of the moment. I hope you like it, and to any anons in the thread, I'd love feedback.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 21:10:01 No.396911

>tfw all the effortposts on /leftypol/ get forgotten after 5 hours or so
>tfw all the dumb stupid shit on /pol/ is kept forever in an archive contaminating the internet and humanity itself for years to come.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:03:06 No.396779[Reply]

transhumanists make up .6% of the American population and Zoomers are 11% LGBT with only 2% of them identifying as trans. That's EVEN LESS transhumanists than there were for the older generation. Why do we get spammed with so much anti transhumanist shit here? Because it's edgy to do so?

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:18:18 No.396819

Couldn’t possibly have to do with them being a direct product of bourgeois decadence meant to subvert our movement by making us look like freaks

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:20:02 No.396824

>>396806
You will never be a woman

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:20:17 No.396825

I'm actually surprised by that statistic. While I am pro-trans, I was very much of an impression that they were way more prominent in zoomers, or that at the least a shit ton of zoomers pretended to be trans when they weren't as a sort of cultural expression thing, especially with how most breadtubers suddenly became majority trans over a year or so. Guess they just are a really lound minority.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:21:31 No.396828

>>396824
you will never be a man.
go back to /pol/ /zion/

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Anonymous ## Mod 2021-07-23 (Fri) 20:21:44 No.396829

Moved to >>>/b/112152.

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How do you stop being xenophobic Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 15:50:08 No.396434 [Reply]

I've come to realize that I generally dislike everyone and seek isolation away from urbanized regions because of population densities and this has resulted in alot of people distancing themselves from me.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 19:02:28 No.396682

Get off the internet and go outside. Interact with people IRL rather than the imaginary caricatures of people you invent in your head.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 19:06:27 No.396688

i know 4chan spoonfeeds people nowadays but just fucking lurk here instead of posting for once in your life OP.
Or post in /b/ (But you'd probably just get more shitpost answers)

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sage sage 2021-07-23 (Fri) 19:17:27 No.396698

Kek

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 19:19:46 No.396701

>>396434
>How do you stop being xenophobic

you don't.

Thank you for coming to my TEDx

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 19:21:34 No.396705

>>396434
Make more friends of other races. Talk to them. Get a job where you work with them.

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Why do people still deny the holocaust? Anonymous 2021-07-03 (Sat) 04:55:11 No.353015 [Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Nazis literally kept records of fucking everything that went on in those camps, it was already documented that nazis had deliberately made propaganda films of those camps portraying them as resorts for jews to hide what was actually going on in their, starvation and rampant illness was one of the leading causes of death next to gas chambers in those camps especially late in the war when the nazis were running low on funds. Yes 6 million did fucking die in their along with another 9 million non jews comprising of soviet and north western european prisoners and gypsies, you have to be a complete spergeloard schizo to miss this

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 12:06:44 No.377060

>>377058
>I think both are bad?

Who was that guy then >>377025 ?

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Anonymous 2021-07-21 (Wed) 08:08:54 No.391682

>>354635
>Literally only one of the mentioned groups has been victim of a genocide

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Anonymous 2021-07-21 (Wed) 08:10:17 No.391683

>>377060
Not the same person?
You fucking stupid animal, that person’s point was clearly that no one acknowledges the genocide against slavs, not that said genocide didn’t matter, you stupid cunt

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Anonymous 2021-07-21 (Wed) 12:23:58 No.391911

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>>377056
you're honestly just retarded and illiterate. The point they were blatantly making was that a great deal more people were killed in the holocaust than just jews.

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Anonymous 2021-07-23 (Fri) 18:53:20 No.396667

>>355012
Sure, but are we going to deny the Holocaust just to own the libs now?