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 No.410192[Reply]

One could say that small online internet communities allow people to distance themselves away from the monotony of MSM and normalfag media but what ends up happening in broken down communities is all that happens is a new cult is created, one only has to notice how every fucking(and I repeat) every fucking /pol/ user on this board consistently posts the same types of threads with so little variation that you know who wrote them before even bothering to read their posts, bunkerchan isnt different being that the cult mentality found within its users isnt different with a significant portion of members justifying events like the holodomor or showing blind support for terrorist groups that attack their own people. With other small boards like stormfront obscure reddit communities and sites like 16chan and 8chan the cult like mentality is strong enough that you can find reports of people being driven to suicide, young men committing domestic terrorism to fit in with board culture or on discord when it was still obscure with stories like rico that lead to 100s of victims getting doxed and blackmailed to serve the interests of perverted communities. Unified platforms arent perfect but there are times when I feel like I have more freedom of speech on sites like YouTube's comment section than on blue boards and nsfw boards on 4chan simply because community sizes are too large for any group to organize anything significant much less initiate any psychological damage to themselves or others
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 No.410358

>>410351
8channers and stormfags are the same entity with the major difference being 8channers are more cucked faggots
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 No.410412

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>>410358
>8channers and stormfags are the same entity
Not anymore, grandpa!
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 No.410719

Op might be a glowy because

>holodomor conspiracy

Basically a crazy nazi propaganda lie that is still being perpetuated by fringe nutjobs, it states the natural famine cause by drought, crop-diseases and the inherited low productivity of under-mechanized Tsarists agriculture, should somehow be blamed on communists, who in reality proceeded to mechanize agriculture and raise food production above any level where famines could occur.

>promoting political extremism

like horseshoe theory that equates communists and fascists, otherwise know as extreme or radical centrism

>shilling for corporate platforms who are know for their censorious and arbitrary algorithmic enforcement

say what you want about the big video website, but it's not promoting free speech, not in the comments and certainly not in the uploaded videos
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 No.412042

>>410412
>4/k/ and 4/lgbt/ being the highest traffic boards
This shouldn't make as much sense as it does
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 No.412046

>>412042
It's just a selection. 4stats.io (sort by posts/day) will give you the full list.


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 No.56299[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This is the thread dedicated to researching, discussing, exploring, and laughing at, that element of the far right which we have come to term "esoteric hitlerist" but more broadly a thread for documenting the extreme right.

To sum up, as it says in the title, this entire strand of thought is more or less an intelligence operation carried out mostly by pedophiles, with a strong satanic/ esoteric influence. On top of this, there are several interesting connections to these operations and operatives and Zionism.

The purpose of these operations, as are the purpose of all CIA operations, is to suppress and destroy the real movement that abolishes the present state of things, the mass movement organised workers, the socialist and communist movement.

What follows is a series of links, references and thoughts which document this feature of capitalist hegemony.


Link to last thread archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210109172410/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/1059488.html

The thread from which it was born:

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 No.411736

>>411497
I was looking at their /smg/ social mastery general and why are these dudes obsessed with not touching their dick
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 No.411839

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>>411719
Michael Cowen of National Front, had a tattoo with the numbers 88 (Heil Hitler). When he was asked the age of his ideal sexual partner, he pointed the number 8 on his tattoo. It doesn't come as a surprise. This fascist freak had 17,058 pics and 215 videos of child p*rn.
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 No.411860

>>411839
For all their talk of exterminating degeneracy, why is there such a strong correlation between being a committed fascist and beating your meat to children?
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 No.411951

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>>411860
It's called psychological projection
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 No.411954

>>411839
Maybe he meant he liked GILFs?


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 No.411538[Reply]

Tens of thousands take to streets of Guatemala demanding resignation of president
ROADS were blocked across Guatemala on Thursday as tens of thousands of workers took part in a national strike to demand the resignation of scandal-ridden President Alejandro Giammettei. Anger erupted after well-known anti-corruption prosecutor Juan Francisco Sandoval was sacked by Attorney General Maria Porras last week.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/tens-thousands-take-streets-guatemala-demanding-resignation-president

Acute Food Insecurity To Increase in Colombia, Haiti, Guatemala
FAO and WFP lamented that efforts to combat a global surge in acute food insecurity are often hampered by political tensions and blockages, preventing families on the brink of famine from receiving assistance. Bureaucratic hurdles and lack of funding also slow UN agencies' efforts to provide emergency food assistance and enable farmers to plant at the right time.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Acute-Food-Insecurity-To-Increase-in-Colombia-Haiti-Guatemala-20210730-0002.html

Cuba rejects statement by European Union high representative
'I strongly reject statement by the EU High Representative in which he dares not mention by name the genocidal US blockade that violates European sovereignty and imposes its laws and courts on it. About #Cuba, he lies and manipulates,' she wrote.
https://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=70027&SEO=cuba-rejects-statement-by-european-union-high-representative

Salvadorans Protest Against Bukele and Recall Student Massacre
Salvadoran students and workers called for a march against President Nayib Bukele on Friday, the day on which citizens remember the massacre of students at the University of El Salvador on July 30, 1975. … Salvadorans also reject the possibility of reforming the Constitution Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.411542

TYBNA
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 No.411543

=BASEDGuatemalan CHADS
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 No.411577

Navy charges sailor with setting fire that destroyed warship
The sailor was a member of the crew at the time, Cmdr. Sean Robertson, a U.S. 3rd Fleet spokesperson, said in a statement. The sailor was charged with aggravated arson and the willful hazarding of a vessel, Robertson said. No name was released. No other details were provided, and it was unclear what evidence was found or what the motive was.
https://apnews.com/article/fires-536423600718c7d55d3ddcc6dea969c6

Citing Donziger Case, Dems Raise Alarm About Use of Private Prosecutors in Federal Court
Sens. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) revealed Friday that they sent a letter (pdf) to Judge Roslynn R. Mauskopf, director of the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, with inquiries about the practice and federal rules of criminal procedure. "Recently, the case of environmental lawyer Steven Donziger has garnered significant attention and shined a spotlight on private prosecutions of criminal contempt charges," the pair wrote. "These prosecutions are highly unusual and can raise concerning questions of fundamental fairness in our criminal justice system."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/30/citing-donziger-case-dems-raise-alarm-about-use-private-prosecutors-federal-court

DeSantis to bar Florida schools from mandating masks
DeSantis' announcement comes after the Broward County school board passed a mask mandate Wednesday due to new guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which recommends universal indoor masking for all teachers, staff, students and visitors to K-12 schools this upcoming school year, regardless of vaccination status.
https://www.axios.com/covid-masks-florida-schools-desantis-1ed7d9c7-817a-47a9-8b62-06f2f056030d.html

PG&E could face criminal charges over deadly California fire
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 No.411586

Qaddafi’s Son Is Alive. And He Wants to Take Libya Back.
Seif has made use of his absence from public life, watching the currents of Middle Eastern politics and quietly reorganizing his father’s political force, the Green Movement. He is coy about whether he is running for president, but he believes that his movement can restore the country’s lost unity. His campaign pitch is the kind that has worked in many countries, including our own: The politicians have brought you nothing but misery. It is time for a return to the past. “They raped the country — it’s on its knees,” he told me. “There’s no money, no security. There’s no life here. Go to the gas station — there’s no diesel. We export oil and gas to Italy — we’re lighting half of Italy — and we have blackouts here. It’s more than a failure. It’s a fiasco.” Ten years after the euphoria of their revolution, most Libyans would probably agree with Seif’s assessment. In Tripoli, the half-built Grand Hotel, a dark gray colossus of raw cinder blocks and cranes overlooking the ocean, is inhabited only by sea gulls. One of many building projects backed by Seif, it has sat untouched since 2011. Scores of other empty hulks mar the Libyan landscape, their foreign backers unwilling to risk another cent in such a volatile place. Some Libyan warlords have become immensely rich — Libya pumps about a million barrels of oil a day — but many people suffer daily power outages that last for hours and struggle to get enough drinking water. Tripoli and other major cities are riddled with bullet holes, reminders of a war that has lasted on and off for most of a decade.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/magazine/qaddafi-libya.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
https://archive.is/54mwm

Gove: ‘transforming’ the Civil Service into cash
MICHAEL GOVE has announced plans for “reform” that look designed to give favoured corporations and Tory insiders more control of the supposedly independent Civil Service. He wants to turn government into “Gove-rnment,” a system that hands over public services to his mates, so they can make a profit at our expense. Gove pushed the plans at a conference arranged by a former Tory MP’s personal think tank. The event Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.411931

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Thanks news anon


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 No.411026[Reply]

repost

I’ve been thinking about something tonight that I wanted feedback on, like whether anybody can just tear it apart or give constructive crits. It was basically a riff off of the idea that Bitcoin has a lot of volatility partially because by design its value is volatile (in the classical sense). This isn’t my observation or anything, I’ve seen it in several places, but due to the fact BTC’s block difficulty increases with the hashrate (the material costs of BTC rise) but the reward is arbitrarily fixed to the halving schedule (ever mined block rewards some fixed amount of bitcoin for several years), then the material cost (the labor cost, or similar to Ricardo, in BTC’s own terms the “difficulty”) systematically deviates from the amount of coins produced. Basically, if BTC was like any other commodity the more invested in mining it would produce more of it. But instead, the value of each BTC just inflates because no matter how much you invest in mining it, you keep getting the same amount.

So BTC’s price is just a feedback loop of the speculation on it. There isn’t a normal regulating pressure towards a natural price like other commodities, instead the value just rises with the demand. With other commodities, investment as a response to high demand usually causes the price to fall back down to its value as more are produced at the relatively stable difficulty of its production in terms of labor (all else being equal, ie no big technical changes or exogenous shocks throwing off the conditions of production).

So this has a pretty simple fix, just make something like BTC’s block reward a ratio of its difficulty. The difficulty still rises to make blocks mined at regular intervals, but as the difficulty rises the blocks produce more coins. So that should put a downwards pressure on the price of each bitcoin, it will converge closer to its cost of production as miners sell their BTC on the market for more competitive profit margins between each other and across the wider market.

So there is the crypto and value-theory part, and leave aside for a moment the question of liquidity, why people would be buying and selling this crypto as a medium of exchange. First lets get the big vision in picture. Where does MMT come in? Well, I figured that if you had a sovereign issuer of the currency, like the proverbial “money printer”, then you could use the liquidity of the currency to make money “out of thin air”. But of course, you Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.411315

>>411264

So point number 2 was essentially what I was thinking about as the conservative case, because point 1 assumes you just get people to join you off of charisma or organizing skills. However, elements of point 1 would be necessary, as in you would need to have a base of support and a way to communicate and engage with the working class to keep its legitimacy and awareness.

But as far as payment in fiat, that is fine, though you can also still pay people in whatever you want. Company scrip is technically still legal, you just can't use it to avoid taxes or minimum wage laws. You can pay people in securities, in goods and services of a certain value etc. which companies occasionally do. But I do think the prospect of paying people in the crypto is dubious. What you could do is pay them in the crypto at a favorable rate, ie you could mark up their wages by paying them the crypto and giving them an option to convert it at some rate. If the market goes above the rate then they don't exercise the option, but if it doesn't then you have to pay them the markup. This would require financial wizards on staff to balance the portfolio of the Printer, to the degree it is directly engaging in such things. But for the most part it is going to simply sell crypto, buy assets, and then partner with either former employees in the worker coop case, or tenants in the residential case, and lease them the assets payable in crypto. The Printer has no part in the operations of the coops, though it may sign agreements with them or have stipulations around membership in its bylaws to incentivize its lessees to make some transactions in the crypto.

>If you want to grow the network then you're still tied to the larger economy and fiat-crypto exchange rate prior to the network growing sufficiently large such that it is self-sustaining and capable of growing on its own.


That is a real problem, but I don't think it is insurmountable. I think this latent opportunity in crypto is actually specific to it as a technology, that you can simulate the production of a commodity across a network while giving one participant the privileged ability to arbitrarily produce it. Municipalities and private organizations have tried to issue their own currencies, but they've always had to peg it to sovereign currencies or otherwise make it Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.411358

>>411315
>>411284

Also wanted to note in respect to legal tender laws and scalability that I think it is important to recognize that, historically, in this very country, you did not have to accept dollars for payment for most of its history. It was all gold, it was only in times of crisis like the civil war that various governments would pass laws regarding what was acceptable payment, and it was usually involving the state's right to force people to accept its money (because it had run out of gold).

I'm not a goldbug by any means, I don't think gold or commodities have a privileged status as money. Rather, pointing to the fact that they WERE money is to say that people merely transacted in bank notes and such out of convenience, because they were plentifully available and the bank had liabilities to people for the gold that they theoretically kept. So basically non-state currency has existed widely, many competing non-state currencies issued by banks and stores and companies etc. in various localities. So given that, I don't think it is impossible to generate a new one. It just needs to be profitable to generate, which is on the miner's side and fueled by demand for a use as a medium of exchange. That becomes a technical issue, can you market the currency to people as fulfilling a need? Can it be competitive on fees? Is its anonymity useful? Can marketing it as socialist coin with the right advocates actually get breadtubers to use it to pay each other for potlucks? Whatever it is, but if you can find a real use case to START the market in it, then it has the potential to be self-reproducing.
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 No.411774

Op can we publish what you wrote in new multitude?
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 No.411782

Op, I'm not that au fait with the tech side of bitcoin, but socially can we say that cryptocurrency, especially altcoins etc is a way of creating a new commodity based on the shared values that people input into it?

Take the old 'mud pies' argument against the law v which is easily disproven by Marxism saying that a commodity needs to have a social use value for the Lt to work.

Now, with crypto, the use value being produced is a currency (Polanyi would call this a fictional commodity, in the fact, like land and labour. It's not really a commodity but acts like one in the market). So what happens is that you get people who literally and figuratively 'buy in' to the idea that this fictional commodity is an actual use value, and this valorises the crypto at various levels.

So if you got enough people on the left to valorise a crypto, then you could buy land for projects etc is that the basic gist of what you're saying?
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 No.411798

This sounds like the Venture Commune but with cryptocurrency instead of bonds. https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Venture_Commune


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 No.409117[Reply]

What does /leftypol/ think about the Effective Altruism movement?
For those of you who don't know it a very popular idea among Silicon Valley business leaders and focuses on doing the most good in the world by focusing on the long term outcomes of earth based life many many generations in the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism

Current Affairs recently published an article criticizing it
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/07/the-dangerous-ideas-of-longtermism-and-existential-risk
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 No.409690

>>409238
>>409313
>>409529
>oat "milk"
when was the last time any of you saw oats with nipples on them?
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 No.410250

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 No.410373

Check r/SneerClub for the leftist takes on EA and “rationalists”
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 No.410384

so philanthropy for the 21st century - which Marx already discussed in Volume I as a method to increase the productivity of labor - basically a very long con by capitalists
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 No.411788

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>>410373
SneerClub seems like it's mostly just ad-homenim bullshit


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 No.352877[Reply]

What is your honest opinion on Counterpunch? I keep following it because I like Jeffrey St. Clair and Patrick Cockburn, but half of what they publish has the feel of planted stories from the state department and the other half is so amateurish it's like they deliberately curate material from children.
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 No.370880

>>369113
That's a fair point.
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 No.377784

Why doesn't anyone except them and the Guardian publish Cockburn?
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 No.398248

Paul Street and Louis Proyect are such imbeciles
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 No.402717

It's not outright socialist but it's fairly decent and has many great articles. It's definitely better than Jacobin
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 No.411696

Nothing but left-punching bullshit smearing anyone who criticizes the DNC as "red-brown"


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 No.410194[Reply]

It is obvious to me that the Neo Aristolean British Venitian Elites have placed their cards in the college institutions. We are dealing with PURE LOBOTOMY. YOU GOT THAT? An entire generation of babbling idiots. We must return to the policies of FDR and GET THE FASCIST BRITISH BANKERS OUT. Biden is clearly a tool of London like a modern-day Benedict Arnold. He is clinically impaired to the point where WE KNOW who is running things. It's the Trilateral Commission. Who funds them? THE ROCKEFELLERS. THE ROCKEFELLERS ARE RUN FROM LONDON! Completely British controlled. SATAN, PURE SATAN.
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 No.411332

>>411122
In what way?
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 No.411393

>>411332
Because I guarantee their coverage of him, at least for leftist spaces, more than doubled peoples avarenes of his existance. For one, I know first threads about him on leftypol only came after that clip was released.
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 No.411412

>>411393
I've been larouche posting for years.
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 No.411501

>>410194
Larouche-Leninism is the only means of kicking of revolution 2.0 in the USA
Prove me wrong.Protip:you can't.
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 No.411617

>>411501
There are elements of Larouche's ideas that are kinda based. The anti anglo staff, the support for Lincoln, the infrastructure projects, and nuclear/fusion energy.


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 No.401291[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What is the real death toll of socialism?
This post is a test to reveal that /leftypol/acks are actually existing tankies, no better than /pol/ in being honest about their idealism. I hope that some of you can prove me wrong. It should go without saying, but every civilisation and ideology has resulted in atrocities and if you're incapable of admitting those of your own (without comforting stipulations like "b-but they deserved it!!1!") then you're living in a spooked fucking fantasy world.
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 No.411546

>>409356 (me)
here are the numbers of the victims of communism from european countries:
>USSR
executed: ~800 thousand
died in GULag: ~1,2 million (including "spetsposelenie" and deported nations)
1932-33 famine: ~3 million
(source: ZEMSKOV, Politicheskie repressii v SSSR: realnyje masshtaby i spekulyativnye postroeniya, 2013 - cyrillic: Политические репрессии в СССР: реальные масштабы и спекулятивные построения.)
>Czechoslovakia
executed: 248
died in camps: ~4500
while crossing the border: ~282
died during the Warsaw pact invasion: 137
(sources: TOMEK, Oběti komunistického režimu, 2010 https://archive.fo/l3LAh , TOMEK, PEJČOCH, Černá kniha sovětské okupace, 2018, Svět křídel)
>GDR
executed: 52 (by soviet military tribunals: 1 200)
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 No.411549

>>411546
*5 000 - 20 000 died in the camps (yugoslavia)
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 No.411552

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low quality bait thread
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 No.411583

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 No.411590

>>409416
These weren't regular births. They were excess births brought about by communism.


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 No.398629[Reply]

whats your thoughts on juan peron ? hes been called a fascist, a communist, a populist, an example of "real existing third positionism" and a nazbol so what the fuck is his actual views ? are there any argentinians here that can tell me about this guy ?
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 No.405763

>>398675
I'm dying laughing thinking about a book on Peronism called "I Can't Believe It's Not Fascism!"
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 No.405770

His return from spain phase, with his new wife and a mystic was cringe
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 No.405831

>>405763
>I Can't Believe It's Not Fascism!
I actually made that same joke years ago on the old 8chan /leftypol/
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 No.405941

>>405674
Don't worry too much. Lolberts and ancaps are on the fringes of politics, their audience consists of 90% teenage gamers, and their parties never get votes, that's why they end up joining mainstream liberal parties to gain anything. Shapiro copycats are all over Latin America, they all have the same rhetoric and they're ALL being financed by the Atlas network and American think-tanks. They basically depend on America to exist.
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 No.411585

>>398629
Fascist.


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 No.408761[Reply]

Why would someone hate capitalism?

If you wanted you could help people right now and become rich beyond your biggest dreams. That is if you're capable of innovating some form of advancement that would extend our lives in a meaningful way or even capable of becoming a doctor.

Why would anyone hate a system that rewards good deeds?
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 No.411525

>>408787
I'm a fat pig living on the spoils off imperialism and I'm proud of it.
Wow really OP neck yourself.
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 No.411537

>anime
>Is retarded
Like pottery
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 No.411567

Name one "advancement" that actually improved the lives of people in the last 30 years.
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 No.412008

shit thread
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 No.412009

Moved to >>>/b/120020.


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