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 No.404232[Reply]

In this thread we will strive for an objective, materialist analysis of the American Revolutionary War. Was it progressive? Was it a true liberal revolution against the feudal and monarchist leadership of the British empire? Was it a reactionary attempt by the ruling slave class to protect the institution of slavery and the expansion of colonialism, as many others claim?

In America, it's unbelievably taboo to ask questions like this, but leftypol is capable of being a lot more objective, and brushing aside propaganda than the average liberal space, so I want to know what y'all think.

Also, any good books or articles on the subject?
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 No.404515

>>404287
Is that a pseudo name writer? I can't find any other articles written by " Fred Schleger" or an online presence by them yet they wrote that super long review

Weird
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 No.404688

WASHINGTON
WASHING-TON
SIX FOOT EIGHT
WEIGHS A FUCKING TON
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 No.404698

you can tell a lot about a revolution from the constitution that resulted.
there's a reason cromwell's chopchop yielded a constitution of amazing pragmatism, while the americans birthed a constitution of ungovernability. a constitutional model that has ensured coups and misery everywhere it has been attempted - except the US.
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 No.404701

The American revolution was a split in the liberal party. Read Losurdo.
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 No.404864

Any good Marxist books on US history in general?

I've read some recent liberal books on the US revolution and they stress the property relations; US lust for Indian land, which was being held back by the British. And the tax system/mercantilism of the Empire was hurting the colonies economically.


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 No.389465[Reply]

Is it in line with DiaMat? I see it used by a lot of structural marxists that have infamously trouble accepting dialectics, so maybe overdetermination is indeed a revision from Marx?
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 No.404836

>>404829
that's a lie
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 No.404840

As Ceaușescu once said, dialectic materialism is like cocaine….
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 No.404842

>>404836
I guess he lied in his autobiography to seem more humble. I bet he also lied about plagiarising his students' essays.
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 No.404854

He also lied about killing his wife. It was just a prank
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 No.404860

>>404829
Those snarky comments by some retard on the internet are really intellectually stimulating


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 No.391660[Reply]

I've come across this sham argument in an increasing amount recently, also by Eastern Euro anti-communists.
Meanwhile Burgerland, workers in a bloody chips factory work themselves to death.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/20/frit-j20.html

Or the hyper-exploitation, which is going on now in Eastern Europe.

https://apnews.com/article/world-news-health-romania-environment-and-nature-business-74bc8c9f72d2dbe21e10282c722779dc
>In Romania, ‘modern slaves’ burn noxious trash for a living
>In the trash-strewn slums of Sintesti, less than 10 miles from Romania’s capital, Mihai Bratu scrapes a dangerous living for his Roma family amid the foul reek of burning plastic that cloys the air day and night.
>[…] “We don’t want to do this. Why don’t they give us jobs like (communist dictator Nicolae) Ceausescu used to, they would come with buses, with cars, and take us to town to work,” she told The Associated Press. “Gypsies are seen as the worst people no matter where we go or what we do.”

We know better, but feel free to post more examples of horrid working conditions in Eastern Europe and the imperial core, in addition to showing evidence of how working conditions under communism steadily improved over time, to use against anti-communists in debates.
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>>391695
AHHAHAHAHAH
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 No.404772

>>391660
In Romania everything bad that happens today is blamed on communism. "See? This is what 50 years of communism does to you."
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 No.404788

>>404772
I fucking hate shit like this, I remember back when the pandemic started some dumb fucking burgers were taking pics of empty shelves in walmart and saying shit like "SEE??? DIZ IZ LITERALLY GOMUNIZM!!!111" "IF WE HAD GOMUNIZM WE WOULD HAVE THIS!"
They're all a bunch of goddamn toddlers
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 No.404805

>>404772
>these problems brought by capitalism are what happens when you have communism
lmao
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 No.404807

>>404788
>panic buying is communism
Tsktsktsk.


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 No.404378[Reply]

If the world is suffering from problems with environmental degradation caused by industrial waste why not just build and dig bigger landfills that can contain more trash and build more sanitational based equipment? Why not just replant old trees? why not just cut down on production if keeping factories operating is causing industrial waste? It wouldn't be hard to keep streets clean, it wouldn't be hard to keep the air breathable, it wouldn't be hard to simply not turn the planet into a wasteland simple just by giving a shit about the natural environment
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>>404612
Neoliberalism works for NO countries. NONE.
Growth rates were much higher in the Bretton Woods era for all countries, there weren't constant financial crises, poorer countries were developing faster, income inequality was racheted down, the list goes on endlessly. Anyone who disagrees can tie themselves to an electric chair and fucking STIMULATE themselves to death as the good Lord Keynes intended for all the retarded mainstream economists.
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 No.404643

>>404561
>>404633
Playing the devils advocate, but what do you say about race based arguments for why Latin American countries are bad?

Mexico and the other countries in the southern hemisphere are generally not regarded as failings of capitalism, they are usually brushed away as only being that way due to "corruption" or because of cultural values. I mean, could you say that Mexico has true capitalism? No one in the US would say that Mexico is capitalist, for example.


of course typing this made me realize the majority of people defending capitalism literally cannot define what capitalism is
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 No.404646

>>404643
Ha Joon Chang already addressed this a billion times on how culture and race stereotypes are used as a post-hoc justification depending on level of development ex. Germans (idk might have been French I forgot but some rando european country) used to be stereotyped as lazy good for nothing barbarians since initially their country was pretty far behind and then after industrialization and growth the culture-first retards bent over backwards and started turning their stereotypes into positive attributes and this also happened for countries like Japan, China, etc. basically it's all bullshit and has been from the very beginning. I don't have the book with me right now but I can send screenshots and excerpts later of what he pointed out later.
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 No.404796

>>404643
>I mean, could you say that Mexico has true capitalism?
Yes of course.
Yeah there may be corruption, but this place is 100% capitalist, in fact is way more capitalist than 40 years ago, the neolibs tried to completely dismantle any kind of social welfare and give everything to the sacred market.
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 No.404802

>>404378
>capitalists
>thinking about the long term effects of their actions
But anon it's important that the planet gets destroyed to satisfy investors every year, we NEED to make everywhere dirty


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 No.403017[Reply]

I'm trying to de-nazify myself, trying to shift into anarcho-egoism, I think I get the basic concepts of leftism and all, but one thing keeping me away from full-blown leftism is, if race doesn't really matter and all that is just the capitalist ploy to keep us divided, why are there no thinkers, I mean like Marx and Stirner and stuff, that would be black or asian? I mean there were people like Mao or Mugabe but they still borrow all the basic ideas from Marx, point is, why is it only white man that thinks this way, or, dare I say, why is it only white man that thinks? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm really trying here, but just… why does it seem like only muh yuropeons "think?"
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 No.403097

>>403020
I'll try
>>403030
>>403042
Well, thank you!
If I think about it, guess it really just boils down to me being eurocentric.
>>403039
Hey! Just because I didn't know something and I was raised within an eurocentric worldview doesn't mean you have to call me the r-word! ;-;
>>403050
>>403056
I mean yeah, true.
>>403070
they *kinda* do
>step out of the angloid sphere which isn't even more prolific in philosophy compared to some traditions of philosophy
will do!
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 No.403178

Well, Chinese communists think a lot actually but most of you faggot westernoid 'communists' disregard them as 'dengists'
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 No.403186

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Seek mental help anon, but unironically being this obsessed with identity politics is deeply unhealthy, if mental health isnt available get a hobby like drawing, hiking, hunting just something and find friends
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 No.404759

Kalyan Sanyal is a brilliant Indian marxist theorist

A.M Mazrui is an African post colonial theorist I like too.
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 No.399801[Reply]

Defend North Koreas bloated and ineffective military budget. Why would anyone spend 20% on obsolete toys when everything comes down to Chinas involvement anyway?
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>>400037
Uphold the immortal science of Juche
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 No.404737

>>400138
I once spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get of the bottom of this. You may read my research if you want here: https://rentry.co/dk2ey
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 No.404751

>>400990
If you can read Korean maybe the tablet PDFs I found in >>404737 can help your research.

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>Tunisia’s president has announced the suspension of the Tunisian parliament and the dismissal of Prime Minister Hicham Mechichi after violent protests broke out in several Tunisian cities over the government’s handling of the COVID pandemic and the economy.

>President Kais Saied said on Sunday he would assume executive authority with the assistance of a new prime minister, prompting the biggest challenge yet to a 2014 constitution that split powers between president, prime minister and parliament.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/25/tunisias-president-dismisses-prime-minister-after-protests
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 No.403400

>>403116
>president is elected
>prime minister is not
Wot? What's your system?
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 No.403419

Presidential Republics > Parliamentary Systems
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 No.403420

>>403400
Prime minister is nominated by the president. I know there are other parliaments that act this way but I can't name any off the top of my head
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 No.404631

https://southfront.org/tunisian-coup-harms-turkish-interests-in-north-africa/

Here it says that Turkey could get fucked by this coup.
At least that's a bit of good news.


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 No.404519[Reply]

This thread is to discuss potential problems with Marxism in a relativistic society and how theory can solve them.

The first problem that comes to light is the tendency for the rate of profit to fall is affected by time dilation. If a spaceship is moving fast wrt Earth, the tendency for the rate of profit to fall will be slower in the spaceship.

Another problem is, for rates of profit to equalise across industries, it will require higher rates of profit in the spaceship since rates of profit on Earth will appear to be higher in the spaceship. For the same set of commodities to make a higher rate of profit in the spaceship, either exploitation needs to be greater or socially necessary labour time needs to be lower in the spaceship.

Lastly, workers on the spaceship appear to be working slower than those on Earth. Should this affect socially necessary labour time? I don't think so because the workers on the spaceship are also consuming less.

As well as these general problems with Marxism, can Cockshottian planning work in a relativistic society?
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 No.404560

Rick and morty tier rant.
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 No.404567

lmao good one
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 No.404578

>>404519
Any interstellar society will require a warp metric of some sort for propulsion which means relativistic effects won't be experienced since ships will move nonlocally.
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 No.404579

>>404519
Capitalism will die long before humans reach near-lightspeed space travel. Not a problem.
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 No.404622

Guys, what if Narnia was marxist???


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 No.100123[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A million sides, constant changes of allies, a bunch of events - sort of the First World War in the South, in the Crimea and in the Urals, the latest fleet operations against the Germans and the Entente in the Baltic, literally Syria in the Ukraine, the Red Army attacking British tanks with bayonets near Arkhangelsk, the Wild West with Basmachi in Central Asia, Latin American partisanship in Siberia, White Genghis Khan is plotting something, White Czechs are fleeing from the Red Czechs with tsarist gold, finally the fight against anti-Soviet uprisings and simply hellish gang violence.

Red, White, Green, Black, Basmachi
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>>372844
People who say the kulaks deserved it are the ones who deserve it now. Remember that.
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>>403284
Into the pit Nazi kulaks were bourgeois owners to the means of food production. They weren't* common peasants, like with industry the workers deserve common ownership of food production like anything industrial. Seethe cope dilate…
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bump


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 No.403473[Reply]

>overpopulation
Theres already enough food on the planet until 2050 in fact it's been proven with countries like kenya china brazil and india that reducing population sizes dont fix societal problems as your controlling population sizes not increasing the wealth of a country per person
>water crises
This is a man made problem, desalination, well digging, atmospheric humidity to drinking water hell even fresh water supplies in the ocean are all available and most drinking water is spent on unsustainable farming methods that could be improved on in a month
>climate change
The earths climate is changing but not due to human influence as earth is fucking huge with most of its land and resources being unused, the biggest greenhouse gas isnt co2 it's water vapor and historically the climate has spiked and fallen at different intervals due to the climate cycle
>covid
Your at risk of mortality if your health is already compromised either often due to drugs, if your already ill or obesity, wear a mask and keep away from others but dont take the vaccine as theres no evidence that it works(something that you'll be told on official papers from your local government) and most vaccines are being produced by corporations that need you to take constant doses to fund their agendas whatever they may be
>gun violence
Drugs kill far more people every year than guns and the tobacco industry alone is responsible for 100 million deaths by cigarettes in the 20th century alone, it's been documented that outbreaks of gun violence primarily occur in areas where guns are restricted like chicago, canada(yes even they have mass shootings and quite a few)russia and california as gun control is a weak response to fixing the problems with a countries security as epidemics of violence are a byproduct of people not bullets
>mass immigration is a form of colonialism
It isnt most immigrants assimilate at one point in their lives or their nationality changes as they've settled into a region of the planet for long enough, immigrants cant take your jobs especially in capitalist societies because employers have multiple ways to create artificial unemployment including outsourcing, forcing workers to work longer and under hiring to have a workforce that's desperate for a job,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.404457

>>403563
Maupin knows he's quoted in this article, right?
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 No.404474

Don't care, have less kids anyway because life blows.
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 No.404481

>>404474
Pessimism has zero place in Marxism.
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