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 No.403545[Reply]

I was thinking about the power of kek, and the strength of the right within their peak of 2015-2016. 4chan was the nexus of sexual energy that awakened the libidinal energy of not only the young but also old conservatives. Trump was a magnet of sexual power, his swagger and sexuality the ultimate boner pill of the right. However it seems as if kek abandoned 4chan, not even /v/ memes seem to really hit the mainstream for more than a few minutes, the power of wojaks having left the hands of the site already and pepe is more of a twitch icon than a 4chan one now. I think that the reason why kek abandoned 4chan is that the god of chaos saught the general sameness of the two liberal positions, and fundamentally 4channers are liberals who merely don the masks of nazis in a sort of perverse exhibitionism of ideology. Conservatives and liberals are barely all that much different in the grand scheme of things, and kek saught the true third position in the west, which is communism or rather issues that sympathized with the left. The left's memes breathes and dies instead of festering like mindtraps of constant reinforcement such as the wojak and pepes that we see now, refinements of old concepts. Th left's memes always had the new car smell in the air, which is why even losers like Shoe was attracted to the left or at least sanderism. The left's memes are silent in the wind, but passes through the cracks a ghost that haunts the minds of the many while the right's memes are plentiful but shows cracks. The shroomjak I believe to be the last of the refinements, a being of nature in itself and thus it's conservative nature was subverted to the original power of the wojak as wojak is the purest expression of humanity and shroomjak is the purest expression of nature. The deriviatives of these mems are hollow and posses nothing more than the passing stigmata of discord memetics, a sort of come and go nature to it.
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 No.403565

They lost the mandate of heaven
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 No.403568

Kek is a fucking cope, it's a fucking comic frog that got too far, that combined with the fact that /pol/ found an old as shit song that featured some frog on the cover made /pol/ go bonkers.

And they believed all this crap along with the pedo cabal, Q-Anon etc.

I'm completely sure that the average IQ of the typical /pol/ poster is around 75 points, if not less, not even actual diagnosed retards would believe this shit.
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 No.403591

>>403568
Do you really think that memes don't matter? Memes are power through words itself, take Jung pill man.
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 No.403619

Go outside
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 No.403927

Moved to >>>/b/115661.


 No.65852[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Post links to good and classpilled left wing youtube, podcasts, etc. no radlibs, grifters, and breadtube liberals
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 No.379277

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unofficial archive of the GETchan Youtube channel in case some videos or the channel itself are taken down:
https://archive.org/details/@getchan_s_public_archive
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 No.403209

bump
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 No.403296

>beardtube growing
>uses a catgirl that doesn't even have a beard
what did OP medan by this?
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 No.403389

>>403296
yeah FSNLanon really dropped the ball on that
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 No.403532

>>403296
It is known as Revtube now. A welcome name change


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 No.403266[Reply]

Thank you kenyans for spending decades fighting off islamic terrorism in somalia, sending foreign aid and importing refugees from somalia and afghanistan for years so that Somalia's cities are now coherently stable enough for foreign investment to become profitable all while simultaneously being a developing country that has only recently had a sewage system. I dont know how you guys did it but thanks
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 No.403381

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>>403377
No faggot you get banned on this site if you infest it with autistic polbait derailing threads using bots or simply because mods dont like you. You can get banned for plenty of reasons even if your not a leftist this site isnt stormfront
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 No.403382

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>>403276
>Why do socialists get so excited over these lost cause nations like Somalia? Or Sudan. Or Ethiopia. Or Libya. I don't get it.
Really, socialism as a movement is not a movement for rich people. In a general sense. There can be individuals who become class traitors, just like white people who can become race traitors, but the communist base is in the ghetto more than gated suburbs like in America, and rich countries in the world are like the gated suburbs of the world, as most of the population of the world lives in the Global South which is full of massive slums.

Which is what Europe might've looked like if they didn't engage in colonization, especially in the Americas, which allowed to deport millions of immigrants just like your great grandparents or whatever if you're a white guy in the United States or Canada. But otherwise this is what Milan would've looked like today, or there would be serious problems with slums (more than there already are anyways). Once you industrialize, you have a surplus population, and in Europe's case, something like 17% of their population left mostly for the Americas between 1850-1920. If you look at it relative terms today, that would be like 800 million people leaving Africa and India and South America for the U.S. and Europe.

Europe's population would double immediately. Imagine 400 million Africans and Indians moving to Europe and helping them take off the population pressures. That would be a fair trade. But that's where the real movement in the world, that's where most of the proles are, and that's where revolutions are likely to occur (and have occurred). It's probably not in Europe. The Russian Revolution in 1917 had far more relevance out there than it did in the rich countries other than being perceived as a threat.
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 No.403397

>>403377
Sorry bud, by 1945 most identified socialists were of the Marxist or at least Marxian type. Hitler's socialism was always a rightoid psyop, they even admitted it when lots of NSDAP members would scold communists and socialists for keeping supposedly anachronistic ideas of class struggle. "The classes are united against the Jewish and Bolshevik menace, don't you understand? Class collaboration is real socialism!"
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 No.403404

>>403377
>I'm a socialist
<nazi flag
Nazis aren't true socialists, I'll tell you what. They're the more radical forms of fascism and as you've noticed in world history before Hitler killed jews, gays, every single nonwhite.
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 No.403447

While were on kenya how has the effort to industrialize gone on in Somalia as Kenyans take over more and more urbanized territory


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 No.401984[Reply]

I'm a commie becasue I'm not getting my surplus value. If a liberal could explain: 1. that surplus value extraction is real and 2. explain why porkies NEED to take my surplus value, I wouldn't be a commie.

So that begs the question, has any liberal ever answered my second question? Do liberals even know what surplus value is? At some level they have to know that wages =/= my labor power.
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 No.403007

>>401986
What if your employee risks workplace injuries? Does it balance out?
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 No.403014

>>403007
Also remember that the worst case scenario if Porky's "risk" doesn't pan out is that he no longer owns any capital and now has to work for a living like the rest of us.
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 No.403122

>>401986
This meme needs to die, capitalists don't absorb any risks, they socialize the risks with austerity. >>403007
You don't have to grant him that premise.
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 No.403124

>>402374
Risk does not create value. If it did, the best way to get rich would be to play Russian roulette. Also, the risks capitalists take are overstated as usually they're playing with loaned money and the worst thing that can happen to them is they become a prole. That they think being an ordinary person is a punishment is telling.
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 No.403416

>>402374
This isn't even a good argument if you're comparing who takes more risks. Workers definitely take MORE risks than porkies, in every case.
Working class ppl have little to no job security. Working class ppl can be fired at any time. If working class ppl get in a car accident, get sick for a long ass time, or any number of reasons to not work, they better have sick days or they're screwed. Workers are constantly getting their jobs automated.


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 No.402612[Reply]

I'm seriously (not joking) a newbie leftist. I was once an independent, but skewed left and finally could able to call this place home.

What books, pdfs, and links should I read?

No harrasment allowed. Respect newcomers, for you're one too back in the day. Respect victims also!
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 No.403227

>>403171
That's fucking crazy
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 No.403263

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>>402952
Yeah that is a good beginning list. I would add something like Rius, he was too good for this world
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 No.403273

>>403263
Thanks again! You guys really helped me rn. Unlike last morning when some folks harassed me, called me pol, unti I showed you the proof that 4chan is blocked in Based Republic of Indonesia
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 No.403274

>>403157
Had they existed before I wouldn't have a problem assimilating with your culture.


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 No.369405[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

While there are surely some people interested in Maoism on /leftypol/, the tendency has no noticeable presence here. From my observation Maoism has been gaining traction in socialist communities online recently. Though the ideology's influence is still relatively small, I'm optimistic that we're witnessing the earlier stages of Maoists winning leadership in the movements of the working class which will result in the reconstitution of Communist Parties guided by MLM. I started this thread to spur investigation and discussion amongst potential comrades.

Why Maoism? https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/14/why-maoism-what-is-maoism/
"Maoism is developed in the first place by six great communist leaders: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Gonzalo."
"The rightist line led China back to capitalism, and dismantled the dictatorship of the proletariat into a fascist state. (…) But the cultural revolution and Mao Zedong Thought inspired millions of people all over the world, and led to the creation of a number of new communist parties on a revolutionary basis. They started people’s wars in Peru, India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Nepal."
"Gonzalo and the PCP maintain that Mao’s mass line, the line for the protracted people’s war and the line for the cultural revolution are the foremost examples of Maoism’s universal applicability, along with Maoism’s advancement of Marxism’s philosophy and economy."
"Gonzalo Thought is Maoism applied to the concrete conditions for revolution in Peru, but it is the universal conclusions in these thoughts that apply to the rest of the world."

Maoist Resources:
http://www.marx2mao.com/
http://www.massline.org/
https://www.bannedthought.net/
https://struggle-sessions.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/catsaysmao/comments/mahczm/mega_thread_on_maoism_and_a_debunk_of_all_of_the/
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 No.402841

>>401361
Their real life actions are defined by their theory, and like that of anarchists, it amounts to very little throughout history (at least anarchists have Catalonia). If you think that crying about "b-b-but the reactionary state fought us" that's a retarded excuse because that will always happen, it is a given in any situation, so the fault lies squarely on the revolutionaries, who through their adhering to their shitty adventurist theory, end up alienating the population or just remain irrelevant for several decades.
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 No.402863

What is the differences in ideology between Mao-Zedong-Thought (What the CPC believes) Maoism (what gonzalo and others made up) and Maoist third worldism?
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 No.402875

>>402863
one justifies consoomerism, the other boiling babied and the other one staying all day in your parents basement
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 No.402898

>>402863
>Mao-Zedong-Thought (What the CPC believes)
That the CPC presently follows Socialism With Chinese Characteristics (SWCC), which replaced MZT in the late 70s. Claims otherwise are just virtue signaling, there was a real shift away from MZT policies in the late 70s to adopt Dengs new SWCC that was subsequently upheld by leaders all the way to today with Xi, who just added "For a New Era" at the end of it. By no means have we seen a return to the substance of MZT in the CPC since the death of Mao.
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 No.403250

>>402841
>why is maoism bad?
<because their revolution isn't succeeding
>why isn't their revolution succeeding?
<because maoism is bad
can't you explain your point further than that? what exactly are the aspects of the maoist theory and organization you think are stopping it from succeeding?
>so the fault lies squarely on the revolutionaries, who end up alienating the population or just remain irrelevant for several decades.
this applies to pretty much every modern socialist revolutionary org that doesn't already hold some sort pf political power


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 No.403125[Reply]

I am currently reading Capitalist Realism and the part I'm at is discussing the capitalist system's efficacy in shaping perception to render the new generations impotent and misguided. That's at least how I understood it. It got me wondering, all the research on social engineering that has been done in the mid 20th century by intelligence agencies like the CIA and private organizations like the Rockefeller foundation, is there any evidence that it is being used today? I'm not doubting that it has been used, but do we have explicit evidence?
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 No.403131

>>403130
>Actually Existing Socialism?
Yeah
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 No.403136

>>403125
Fisher is good for normies to see the Dystopia we live under in the capitalist west, but that's it. If you dive to deep into that post-left shithole he was in you just end up becoming a misanthropic doomer, overmedicating and dying on the toilet, where your parents will find your corps in the mid of a shit, drooling out of your mouth
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 No.403187

>>403128
>What does Fisher actually think about AES?
Probably didn't support china if that's what you are asking
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 No.403230

>>403130
It's how you spot embarrassing LARPers and weak thinkers.


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 No.402040[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>Planned economies could wor- oh…

What are your thoughts? Can Walmart's model be expanded to the economy of an entire nation? And further as the global economy?
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 No.402532

>>402523
Can you prove it?
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 No.402543

>>402514
I learned about him through this meme I found on the booru. He doesn't seem that bad actually
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 No.402685

>>402287
>>402294
>>402312
The USSR up until the Kosgyin reform easily passed the Anti-duhring test definition of a socialist economy as proposed by engels.

The USSR's economy on account of being 99.9% composed of state owned enterprises and workers cooperatives that were taxed at 100% (soviet turnover tax) with material excess from the enterprises being reinvested into the economy and nil capital accumulation.
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 No.403114

>>402166
sauce for graph?
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 No.403217

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>>402098
>tankieism
>texture pack


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 No.400655[Reply]

What it says in the title, mates. I've been reading Mandel and holy fuck is he based, especially in contrast to Mattick's idealism in "Anti-Bolshevik Communism". People say there is no difference between trots and tanks in their approach to revolution and building of socialism, but if Mandel is an example, then there is a theoretical chasm. One recognizes bureaucracy as a separate social strata with its separate interests - the other is not. One champions spontaneity and self-agency of the masses - the other is not. One recognized that without proletarian democracy, direct democracy of the soviets, there cannot be socialism - the other is not. One recognized that economic revolution requires a political revolution - the other is not. One wrote a book about the marxist theory of bureaucracy - the other is not.

Honestly, if followers of a man say something about this man, then I gained much respect for Trotsky. Mandel was a great popularizer of marxism, made actual advancements in marxist theory, worked with shaikh, made contributions to transformation debate, wrote a book about marxist interpretation of long cycles etc.

Here what Mandel has to say about Trotsky in his "Trotsky as alternative", tankies be seething.
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 No.403174

>>403165
>what part of trotsky's analysis isn't rooted in a materialist analysis?
What part is? His position on bureaucracy as separate force with it's own interests, basically a class but he was careful not to call it such, is nothing but a repeat of turd positionism. Even his stance on unions is similar to that of Mussolini or Hitler. Nothing about it stems from marxism and anyone who actually bothered to read Marx, Engels or Lenin, instead of cherry picking them, would know that.

He was nothing but a wrecker and a tool of porkies from the start. Should've been killed way earlier.

>But it's collapse was inevitable as soon as it allowed a state bureaucracy to take over.


What is material basis for bureaucracy that allows it to "take over"? They don't own MoP, decisions are collective and so on. You have a lib view of a state.

>Are you retarded?

No, trots are. You don't know history, you don't know marxism, you don't even read your own cult leader as was proved times and again in this thread and other ones like this.
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 No.403175

>>403165
>Different socialists have different conceptions of socialist states. Shocker.
Trots are just libs doing ideology window shoping. What a surprise.
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 No.403190

>>403175
What? So any adaptation of any socialist theory is window shopping. Mao, Lenin, even Stalin fall under your analysis of trotsky.

>>403174
>What is material basis for bureaucracy that allows it to "take over"? They don't own MoP, decisions are collective and so on. You have a lib view of a state.

But that's the issue, they weren't collective decisions towards the end of the soviet union. Something Mao noticed as well, and ironically something that has ended up happening in China as well. A bureaucracy removed from collective decision making. We can argue on pragmatism in the fight against American imperialism, but simping for stalin just because he flew a red banner without critique is an awful position to take.

>you don't even read your own cult leader as was proved times and again in this thread and other ones like this

Yeah Trotsky is the one with the cult, not the hundred weird Stalinist larpers pretending the material conditions of industrialized US is the same as 20s Russia.
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 No.403194

>>403190
Trotsky tried to push his cult. Stalin was just popular.
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 No.403214

>>403190
>But that's the issue, they weren't collective decisions towards the end of the soviet union.
And why they weren't? You didn't answer the question actually. What material basis allowed bureacracy to take over? You deflected the question and gone on tirade about "simping for Stalin". I guess that is what your "theory" amounts to in the end.

>What? So any adaptation of any socialist theory is window shopping. Mao, Lenin, even Stalin fall under your analysis of trotsky.

Nothing but a pathetic 'no you' without even understanding the argument.

>Yeah Trotsky is the one with the cult, not the hundred weird Stalinist larpers pretending the material conditions of industrialized US is the same as 20s Russia.

Are those stalinists in this room with us right now?


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 No.403132[Reply]

Anglos literally saw the horrendous state the united states was in during the colonial era(believe it or not crime, ethnic infighting, corruption and the inefficiencies of capitalism were actually alot fucking worse back then compared to today) and instead of having the sense to at least look at that country and go "holy fuck let's not do that again" they went into south africa went to war with the people already living there and repeated all the same mistakes, 95 years of an apartheid state yet not a single year under it did homicide rates or wealth inequality fell, worries over civil war and genocide of white south africans was a prevalent worry throughout apartheid. That's not normal you shouldn't create a system so abhorrently awful that you have to be worried about getting yourself killed under it, and what's worse are the asian migrants that immigrated their with even less self awareness than the Anglo population and not only showed open support for apartheid but also free markets that resulted in situations of mass unemployment, constant civil unrest, extreme amount of ethnic infighting and more. 1 could say it's the best african country but I'm not sure if that's true when it has a shitstorm of other problems, especially when one realizes rohedsia needed to be annexed and have the white population deported simply to not turn out the same way as south africa
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 No.403141

>>403132
South Africa wasn't colonized by Anglos you tard
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 No.403142

>>403141
Sorry I meant the dutch
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 No.403147

the future of Africa doesn't lie with colonial shitholes like SA, it's up to Africans to develop on their own terms without interference from the West. South Africa was doomed from the start by decolonization without decoupling the economic sector from Western leeches. even as a leftist i prefer people like Paul Kagame and his Rwandan Patriotic Front to whatever dumb shit is cooking in South Africa.
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 No.403168

Hahaha anglooooooooos
I JUST GENUINELY DONT CARE MAN
fuck of pol!!!!
COPE SEETHE DILATE HAVE SEX HAHA
We need a zoomer containment board.
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 No.403201

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>>403147
>even as a leftist i prefer [CIA-backed governments] to [a potential socialist revolution].


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