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 No.388132[View All]

Chilebros what happened? /ourguy/ Jaudes lost the primaries for the presidential election. Is Apruebo Dignidad still based or are we fucked? What can we except from this other candidate? And how is the constitutional convention coming along? Let's just hope that nobody is preparing to launch a coup again…
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 No.390424

>>390258
>I don't see how he's "stuck in the 70s", he seemed a very "updated" type of communist. Even my normie lib friends (mostly women) voted for him.
He totally fucked up with attacking PYMEs (small companies) which aren't limited to petty borgs – lots of people survive in Chile by running tiny businesses.

He keeps taking the class struggle angle in his speeches which is just not popular anymore as a concept, no matter how we may like it in the leftist circles.

While the Chilean realities are many times more leftist than the burger realities, I suggest checking Bernie Sanders on FOX News in Feb 2020 or so. While being a succdem, he's a fucking genius at packaging socialist programs into burger-digestable wording. He literally got people in the FOX audience cheering for him.

Borič is not that energetic and well-spoken in comparison but he's much better in appealing to the average voter. Since we're trying to win in pure electoralism, it's more important than 100% ideological purity and supporting Venezuela against Western imperialism (which honestly does not matter at all in Chile, we are nobody on the international playing field).
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 No.390433

>>390258
>Of course he would get attacked by porky media if elected, but a military coup isn't really an option anymore (see how the military acted in estallido). Besides, we're probably getting a leftist parlament so the last thing you said doesn't make sense.
Forgot to address this one: I don't expect a coup with Jadue, but insane capital shenanigans and capital flight in general multiplied by 24/7 propaganda attacks. Remember how they kneecapped even succdem Bachelet?
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 No.390455

If this makes you guys feel any better, pencil man officially won in Peru.

https://rpp.pe/peru/actualidad/pedro-castillo-es-proclamado-presidente-electo-por-el-jurado-nacional-de-elecciones-elecciones-2021-noticia-1348233
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 No.390464

>>390455
He's not an actual commie isn't it? The party is.
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 No.390523

Give it to me straight bro's, how bad is the situation?
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 No.390533

>>390523
A moderate leftist won instead of a communist.

The right is still perpetually BTFO.
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 No.390536

>>390533
>>390523
Yeah also the constitutional convention is way more important than the presidency.
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 No.390587

Boric is the new Bachelet #SAD
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 No.390636

>>390533
He’s much less moderate than Partido Socialista whose president Michelle Bachelet was considered “left”.

Also this >>390536 – by the end of his term Chile may become a semi presidential or parliamentary republic.
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 No.391169

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>>390533
>The right is still perpetually BTFO.
I hope so, but like it's been stated ITT Boric has no qualms with forging alliances with the right.
Also I fear he won't win in november and we'll get another fucking banker as president. Some parties who signed the pact to support the liberals are already turning back on it.
Despite all his faults Jadue really was Chile's best shot these elections.
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 No.391181

>>388199
>Kast (also pictured) is this Opus Dei fash who left Chile Vamos because they weren't Pinochetist enough

holy kek
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 No.391198

>>391169
>I hope so, but like it's been stated ITT Boric has no qualms with forging alliances with the right.
< sitting at the table with the right for getting an all-party agreement to write a new constitution is "allying"
Jadueboos are sort of hysterical ngl

Seriously, I'm not a Boric stan, but the insane purism among the Chilean left is tiresome. Both Boric and Jadue are succdems and bashing one for beings slightly more diplomatic is stupid.

At the moment, Chile is becoming Bolivia-tier leftist, time to fucking rejoice. We couldn't even dream of this 3 years ago.
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 No.391206

>>391198
>At the moment, Chile is becoming Bolivia-tier leftist
I really do hope so.
And I agree with your assessment of Jadue. Boric is still annoying but shit could be worse.

I'm still a bit worried the fascist elements will pull something.
Are there some left-wing militias operating clandestinely that you're aware of (as in, that's kinda common knowledge in Chile)? I hope so personally.
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 No.391215

Why are there so many parties in Chile? This is like Netherlands-tier.
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 No.391217

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>>391206
>Are there some left-wing militias operating clandestinely that you're aware of (as in, that's kinda common knowledge in Chile)? I hope so personally.
Nothing since the last MIR members were killed/jailed in the 80s-90s. Mostly anarchist Primera Línea was fighting police for months during the 2019 protests.

At the same time, the best thing rightoid could organize was stealing the idea of Yellow Jackets from France and LARP'ing in their rich communes. There were some Gadsden flags flying, so you can imagine the quality of the protest.

And the army is really reluctant to get involved. When Piñera called a curfew in 2019 and said "we're in war with a powerful enemy", the general replied "I'm not at war with anyone, I'm a happy man". Back then, young people also gave zero fucks about the army and continued fighting because they are not traumatized by growing during the dictatorship.
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 No.391218

>>391198
>Chile is becoming Bolivia-tier leftist
more like Argentina-tier if Boric wins
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 No.391229

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>>391206
>Are there some left-wing militias operating clandestinely that you're aware of (as in, that's kinda common knowledge in Chile)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinadora_Arauco-Malleco
Not "chilean" per se, it's an indigenous self-defense and separatist group, so they operate only in some southern provinces.
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 No.391239

>>391217
>>391229
Ok good to hear. Presumably one could infer that there's also a lot going on underneath the surface that isn't being detected due to good OPSEC if these examples are the above-surface examples.
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 No.391241

>>389203
>>389222
please answer
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 No.391244

>>391198
>>391218
3, 2, 1: Debate!
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 No.391252

>>391244
Argentina has no large socialist parties and Peronism is a populist insanity. Even Peru has better chances now despite the decades of fash rule.

> Is there any political figure in any country weirder than Juan Domingo Peron in Argentina?

> Peron, basically, nationalized the corporations and corporatised the unions. He was also friendly towards fascist leaders but he was so friends with Che Guevara (!!!). Also, his wife Eva was the leader behind the women's vote movement. The US disliked Peron because he decided to keep Argentina neutral during WW2 so they decide to coup him out.

> Then after being 20 years in exile, he gets elected for a third term. But at that point there were left-wing and right-wing guerrillas in Argentina, both claiming to be peronists, because he drew support from basically every side of the Political spectrum. Peron dies shortly after being elected.

> So the CIA comes again, and installs Videla, a fascist mass-murderer who decides to kill all left-wing peronists.

> The military junta collapses after the Falklands War, so peronism turns into a conservative and extremely neoliberal party. The opposition (the Unión Cívica Radical) is basically the same thing, the only good thing they did was putting Videla and the rest of the military junta in prison. This eventually leads to the 2001 crisis which was the worst in our country's history.

> Then, in 2003, another peronist called Nestor Kirchner and his wife Cristina Kirchner say whatever shit we did in the 90s was not Real Peronism™ and push for a big welfare state. They become friends with other left-wing Latin American politicians such as Hugo Chavez, Lula Da Silva, Evo Morales, etc. The peronist party divides itself between the politicians who like Cristina…and the ones who don't. The last one are led by Massa, who basically doesn't have any program at all.

> In 2015, they get kicked out by non-peronist Mauricio Macri after the last 4 years of Cristina were pretty bad, who is a FAGGOT that sells the country to the IMF, making poverty and inflation rise by a lot in just 4 years.

> So the peronist party is now back in power after Massa and Cristina decided to get over their differences to defeat Macri. The president is Alberto Fernández, who is really just a progressive social-democrat.

> What the fuck am I supposed to make out of this?
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 No.391266

>>391198
>muh purism
>we need to unite the left!! (while also collaborating with the right)
You dropped your rose, faggot. I don't like Jadue either, the guy was amarillento as fuck but Boric and his gay ass party is even worse.

FA just today formed an alliance with the right to get Alvez elected as president of the regulations commission (no issue with her specifically though) instead of Llanquileo and voted against two or three leftist women that were going to get other positions in the same deal. All talk backstabbing snakes with literally no convictions, as it's usual with liberals.

I refuse to believe there's more than one Chilean PMC retard posting repeatedly in favor of Boric on /leftypol/, even being so blind to resort to rhetoric to say FA didn't achsually vote in favor of giving the police more resources during the estallido.

No other leftoid literally gave his signature to help Piñera's ass during . And then these FAGGOTS have the gall to claim oh holy Boric is the one who gave us a new constitution instead of all the people who lost their eyes or are even in jail (partly thanks to Boric, too). Seriously, fuck you.

If Boric's actions during the 2019 riots are anything to go by then if he wins things are going to be more of the fucking same.
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 No.391267

>>389203
>>389222
>>391241
The primaries were for the "extreme" left (communist party + Frente Amplio which is an alliance of democratic socialist new left) and for all the right except the complete fash (JA Kast's Republican party).

There are also old left: Partido Socialista that had 2-term president Michelle Bachelet and Partido Por Democracia that had Ricardo Lagos. Based Jadue banned PS from participating in the new left primaries because PS has grown into the establishment and now are basically neolibs with some welfare programs. All young voters despise the old left coalition too (they ruled the country since the late 90s up to 2017 and have barely changed Pinochet's system).

The possible candidates for general elections in November:
– Gabriel Boric (/ourguy/ whatever purist wreckers tell you)
– Paula Narváez (center-"left" from Partido Socialista)
– Yasna Provoste (centrist from the Democracia Cristiana)
– Sebastian Sichel (the candidate from united rightoids)
– JA Kast (insane Evanglical fash, Chilean Bolsonaro but with single-digit support)
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 No.391280

>>391267
>old left
PS has been filled to the brim with literal neoliberals after Pinochet was taken out… Bachelet was Piñera with a smiley face, for some reason nobody remembers her sending police troops to curb every single riot just like the current president has done.
Holy fuck some of you really need to stop only focusing on labels and start actually looking at the actions these parties take.

>purist wreckers
Oh you're that one faggot. No wonder you're so fucking retarded lmfao, you think the guys with Socialist in the name are leftist despite having a long history of collaborating with both the right and big corporations.
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 No.391284

>>391266
>FA
is a fuckton of people but Boric is decent enough for a transitional lefty president.

> I refuse to believe there's more than one Chilean PMC retard
I'm not PMC lol, just tired of the hysterical Gamba-tier purism that has been leading the country nowhere before 2019.

> FA didn't achsually vote in favor of giving the police more resources during the estallido.
Proofs?

> No other leftoid literally gave his signature to help Piñera's ass during
And what would have changed if they not saved Piñera's ass? "Renuncia Piñera" aaaand what? Chadwick ruling?

There were no material conditions for anything revolutionary, we would end as Ukraine at best – no pres, no political force to fill the vacuum, chaos and rightoids saying TOLD YA! with congress being the same shitheads as always.

What Boric did was opening the most productive venue since 1970 in the end and FA themselves backstabbed him for not being pure enough and talking to the UDI members.
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 No.391288

>>391284
>Gamba-tier purism
Ah yes, Gamba, well known purists, the ones who are promoting fucking Yasna Provoste while calling everyone who doesn't agree with their PPD-tier shit ultrones (does this remind you of anything? :^) ).

I didn't even bother reading the rest, you're dumb as a mule.
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 No.391291

>>391280
>despite having a long history of collaborating with … big corporations
Proofs that Boric or anyone currently present at FA did that?

>>391288
Sure, (You) me back when your views bring anything material to the table.
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 No.391300

>>391284

saying material conditions wont make you seem smart or right, sorry my dude

>And what would have changed if they not saved Piñera's ass?

my man did your tiny little brain simply memoryhole the whole protests that were asking him to leave

>Proofs?

lol…

everyone cant shut up about boric ignoring frente amplio and signing the """agreement for peace""" himself that pinera and his team concocted behind the curtains, also boric and jackson fuckin cried crocodile tears on a video apologizing for fucking up and letting cops get more funding and the ability to detain people under suspect whatever its called in english, other posters have already talked about this several times in this thread…

thanks to this radlib youre vehemently defending without actually knowing shit many protesters are in jail now

>FA themselves backstabbed him

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what

gonna assume youre a glowie, no one can be this dumb tbh, maybe pretending to be retarded at best
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 No.391306

>>391291
Get fucked PMC.
https://www.eldesconcierto.cl/nacional/2020/01/14/frente-amplio-anuncio-que-ira-al-tc-si-se-despacha-la-ley-antibarricadas.html
https://www.eldinamo.cl/nacional/2019/12/05/gabriel-boric-autocritica-ley-antisaqueos/

They let this happen and then went "whoopsie we didn't mean to do that! :((((((((" and tried to save face.
This is the faggot whose cock you keep riding. You keep whining about muh purists but you're worse, a radlib and a doomerist.

>El diputado frenteamplista aseguró que lo que buscaban "era mandar una señal clara en contra de los saqueos", pero "comunicacionalmente eso no se logró".
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to see his fans are as retarded as he is.

Not even gonna bump this shit anymore, have fun spreading blatant lies or resorting to rhetoric to defend this cop-lover piece of shit. Can't even call him a reformist, that would be too much for him.
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 No.391311

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>this thread
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 No.391312

>>391306
Adding to this, we already have laws against fucking riots, duh. There was literally NO reason to approve this and they played right into right-wingers' hands, either knowingly or not. The result? Hundreds if not thousands of people detained without even a fair trial just because a cop happened to be there in a bad mood.
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 No.391321

Remember Bachelet and her team are at the UN right now grifting to get Venezuela, Nicaragua and cuba bombed and neoliberalized while defending Colombian and Brazilian neofascism
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 No.391324

>>391300
>my man did your tiny little brain simply memoryhole the whole protests that were asking him to leave
And then what? I put Ukraine as example – the president left, nothing changed.

>>391306
I quoted specifically big corps, I'm well aware of the anti-barricade law and they voted only for anti-looting part. I've already written about it earlier in the thread and don't see it as a huge problem, especially after Boric said it was a mistake.

> doomerist
You are saying things will go bad with Boric and I am a "doomerist"? Okay.

>>391312
> Hundreds if not thousands of people detained without even a fair trial just because a cop happened to be there in a bad mood.
Someone has already said earlier that they didn't use this law for that.

Too many accusations, too little proofs. I don't care honestly, I'm glad things are going as they are now.
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 No.391328

>>391311
this sort of stupid shit art is genuinely some of the dumbest, legitimately cringiest stuff on the entire internet.
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 No.391337

>>391324

Boric seems pretty good honestly. How are his economic views? Does he support legal weed?
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 No.391369

>>391337
Tax the super-rich and upper middle class, tax the mining companies, tax the diesel fuel, crack down on the tax loopholes to pay for all the social goods like worker protection and healthcare (the current public healthcare is efficient but extremely underfunded).

Get more state role in everything: the current constitution made by Pinochet declares a "subsidiary" state where government can't do stuff where corporations can. The new one should allow more action.

You can google-translate the overview on page 15 here:
https://boricpresidente.cl/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Programa_Completo.pdf
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 No.391373

>>391337
Weed is already de-facto legal, my small city has like a dozen of growshops that sell everything you need for growing. The law permitting medical use passed but has been hanging in the senate for some years because they need to finish various regulations for that.
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 No.391396

>>388199
>There's also a far-right candidate, Kast (also pictured)
Which one is he?
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 No.391411

>>391373

How expensive is the process?
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 No.391476

>>391411
Growing? The main costs are a tent and a UV lamp, depending on where and what you buy should be somewhere between $200 and $350.
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 No.391492

I'm not Chilean but just vote for Boric you idiots
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 No.391496

>>391492
Of course, the other option would be voting for the right and that's a lolnope.
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 No.391603

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>>391252
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 No.391875

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 No.392903

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what's the closest thing to a strasserist party here in Chile, I am seriosly asking
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 No.392925

>>392903
I don't know about parties in Chile but Strasserism seems pretty similar to Juche in some of it's ideas of self reliance and isolation. I guess you want Chile to go to absolute shit, huh?
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 No.392939

>>392903
Círculo Patriótico maybe? but they're duginists and not a party.
https://praxispatria.cl/
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 No.392951

>>392925
Strasser wanted to form an early European union , he even praised Kalergi. Self reliance my ass
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 No.393207

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>>388132
Artés was already warning us about how phony Frente Amplio is and that Boric glows in the dark years ago.

Warning: dangerously based.
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 No.397699

Support your local Rodriguist Colective. Electoralism will lead us to failure again.

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