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 No.398629

whats your thoughts on juan peron ? hes been called a fascist, a communist, a populist, an example of "real existing third positionism" and a nazbol so what the fuck is his actual views ? are there any argentinians here that can tell me about this guy ?
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 No.398636

Jewish nigger.
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 No.398675

He's to fascism what margarine is to butter
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 No.398680

He is what the KPD feared the SPD would be, social fascists.
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 No.398713

Absolutely based leader who made Argentina better
Ziolibs and rightcucks still seethe over him
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 No.398725

>>398680
>would
The SPD was social fascist.
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 No.398734

why were the leftist parties so anti peron they allied with the right?
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 No.398737

/his/, is that you?
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 No.398762

A socdem
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 No.398764

>>398734
Opposing the socialfascist until the real ones emerged with the Junta.
What can I say, nobody can read the future
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 No.398775

P based was pro-Allende.
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 No.398786

It's complicated, he had people from the communist party and a few anarchists in his movement, he also literally invented paid vacations and all kinds of labour laws, also the welfare state in Argentina, ALSO established diplomatic relationships with Cuba and North Korea. Literally forced chevrolet to sell cars to the former circumventing the embargo.

But, he also suppresed the Communist party, and had links with ultra right wackos like Lopez Rega, who as leader of the AAA murdered shitloads of left wing militants (including peronists) he also admired fascism, Said the nuremberg trials was a sham, and the whole smuggling nazis deal

Peronism the movement is whole different deal, You had people like John William Cooke that had Leninist sympathies but also the Cringe catholic nationalists (that Peron would delight by introducing clericalist policies, and later enrage when he turned anti clerical and ended up being excommunicated)

tl:dr it can be summed up by him praising Mao while being Franco's guest.
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 No.398797

>>398636
No one cares about your opinion /pol/ you will never be a man.
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 No.398803

Was peron the proof that NazBol is actually a viable political position?
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 No.398811

If Peron was alive today, he'd be one of those terminally online political screensavers that changes their position every week before smashing it together into a conglomeration of ideas and policies that are in complete contradiction with one another, but are laid out in such a way that one single line connects them and makes them "coherent". His ideology frustrates everyone else while in the process posturing itself as a "reconciling" of everyone else.
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 No.398815

an interestin person
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 No.398819

>>398675
actually not a bad analogy, nice
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 No.398828

>>398629
The fact that his successor ideology, Peronism, devolved immediately into "left Peronist" and "right Peronist" camps tells me exactly everything there is to know about the "success" in his "real existing third positionism".
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 No.398837

>>398786
Honestly he just seems like a schizo
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 No.399077

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I'd say the closest thing to Perón we've seen in the US is Huey Long: a populist anti-communist strongman who nevertheless pushed policies that helped the poor, who was supported by both the left and the right, and who was both loved and hated to such an extent that for decades after his death, politics in the area he governed were split between a faction of his supporters (including family members) and a faction of his detractors.
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 No.399127

>>398786
Based radical centrism with argentinian characteristics
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 No.399221

>>398786
didn't peron or his predecessor who was also his political teacher also bring in a ton of jews from europe when they were fleeing the nazis ?
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 No.399238

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so peron is basically just this image right ?
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 No.399272

He's alot like Huey Long
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 No.399287

>>398725

that’s why the nazis killed them
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 No.399337

>>399221
Yeah, lots of jews came in the postwar period to Argentina, Peron even recognized Israel instantly, yet the jewish community was kind of opposed to him, with the Organizacion Israelita Argentina set up by the government against the older Delegacion de Asociaciones Israelitas Argentinas, so yeah, in general he tried to woo the jews and wasn't anti semitic despite his fascist sympathies.

Oh yeah, forgot to say that, Peronism in general lacks a racial component, the race stuff being generally a thing of the opposition, the cabecita negra or negro accusation that was thrown at them by the upper and middle classes
The problem was that in the 40s the communist party was too much influenced by Soviet realpolitik, so the aliance with US/UK imperialism dictated they had to accomodate with Sociedad Rural and other oligarchical entities, so did the socialists, who for much of their history had been proponents of free exchange and other shitty positions, so while a coalition of these two + the radicals had the backing of the US ambassador against the fascism of peronism, they had potential but fucked up of sheer opportunism and carousing with porky, for example in a luna park rally with both communist leader Codovilla and oligarch slavedriver Santamarina

I got all of this by reading J Posadas On peronism funny thing the first thing he mentions as a positive of peronism is that he could release his Trot newspaper, Posadas believed workers would demand concessions from Peron that because of his bourgeois nationalist character would be unable to comply, so either he would turn to the left like Castro or flee, he ended up doing the latter, justifying himself by claiming that it would have ended in a bloodbath.
Posadas believes he pussied out doing that and that he cucked the revolution.

Forgot the Female vote, he also did that.

So yeah this guy is 50/50 in my opinion. quite okay but it would have been better if he died in 1972 and Campora didn't have to hold new elections for him.
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 No.399355

>>399337
Are you argentine?
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 No.399358

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 No.400432

Peron was nothing, did nothing and will be remembered by no one
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 No.400586

>>399358
Wtf is up with the Trots calling Kirchner a neolib and saying there is no difference from Macri? I ran into a couple spouting that shit are they retarded or just glow in the darks?
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 No.400923

>>400432
Says the gringo.
Last time I checked Argentina is ruled by the peronistas and still makes rightoids seethe into eternity.
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 No.401137

>>400586
They compete for the left vote and other spaces, they also do dumb shit like calling Chavez a bonapartist, calling for an emergency tax on the rich and then voting against it when it's done by the Kirchnerists because 'it doesn't go far enough' and 'it's part of the adjustment plan of the government'
They also abstain from important shit, and Vilma Ripoll sided with sociedad rural when they were making a fuss over export taxes on soybeans.

They are probably third camp idiots, but i don't discard the glow thing.
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 No.401273

>>401137

Is Argentina really a 3rd world shithole? Argentina Redditors make it seem like Argentina is exactly like Venezuela and they live in a dictatorship
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 No.401386

>>401273
They're just fucked up by inflation, in other matters it's a decent country to live in according to LatAm standards.
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 No.401389

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>>401273
It's Eastern Europe tier, better than Bulgaria/Romania/Russia but below Poland and Croatia and much beneath the Baltics, it also depends by region, the north is significantly poorer than Buenos Aires (Capital) and Patagonia, there's also villas miseria in the capital and its suburbs (Conurbano), you can see this by this that the city of Buenos Aires is Propuesta Republicana (lib-Macri party) hometurf, and the suburbs with the exception of the richer ones in the north are overwhelmingly Kirchnerist. The provinces in the center (Cordoba, Santa Fe) are also Macri leaning.
Reddit is overrepresented among the upper classes, they wish that we had the consumption power and habits of the United Statesians (which i believe is horrible and potentially catastrophic for the entire world), the common line in reddit is that Macri didn't go far enough and that he is a socialdemocrat, the ones who don't tout this line and aren't 'libertarians' are nationalist shitheads. All of this on reddit, of course, Half Chan is even worse.

On the dictatorship part, no, we have full democracy, not as proportional as i'd like, but democracy nonetheless, there are claims of abuse in the containment of the epidemic, but i don't know if it has a logical base
The economy also slowed down in the 2010 (trend that began with late Cristina but Macri worsened) with Nestor the economy was top notch and we were helped by the commodity boom in emerging markets like China And Brazil.

The common myth among rightards is that this country was ruined by socialism and that we should have followed the Chilean example, but i think if anything is to blame for our deficiencies it was the last dictatorship with economist Martinez De Hoz and the Menem years that began the precarization process and that caused so much poverty.
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 No.401393

>>401273
rightists are saying the same about Mexico with AMLO lmao, the retards quickly forgot that it was an uribist turbo neoliberal conservative the one who started the drug war.
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 No.401397

>>401386
Oh yeah this is true too, on par with Chile and Uruguay, but the average redditor believes that Piñera and Lacalle Pou are superhuman and can overcome the deficiencies of living in the perifery and achieve EU living standards
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 No.402382

>>401397

I find it so funny that the US healthcare system is not even as good as Chile or Costa Rica's.

I would even make the argument Argentines/Uruguayans are in better health situation than an American stuck on a shitty insurance plan.

Wanna know something fucked? My friend got into a car accident recently and her hospital bill is 360K. She has good insurance too and told me she still thinks she'll be thousands of dollars in debt.

Wanna know something more fucked? People marching for Medicar4All yesterday were being slandered as white supremacists by some Twitter lefties/liberals.
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 No.402430

>>402382
Everything is fucked up if you care about what people on Twitter think and take them seriously.
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 No.403807

>>401389
>Macri
>Social Democrat
this cuck BITCH was literally PAYING people to take money out of the country and when his retarded plan didn't lead to an economic revival he ran to the fucking IMF to inplement structural adjustment and literally kill the poor

the amount of copium is unreal
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 No.403954

>>398680
I thought social fascism meant to refer to the idea of social democrats bending to fascism. It doesn't refer to corporatist dictators and economic populists.
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 No.403962

>>398803
(a) nazbol doesnt exist, its a feature of internet ideologues (b) Pataelism, National bolshevism, and strasserism, which you may be reffering to, would not be how you would describe Peron.
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 No.404112

>>403954
No, it's a political movement that seems progressive and deceives people into thinking that it is a viable solution instead of the dictatorship of the proletariat, in the context of a capitalist crisis.
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 No.404119

>>399238
Who are they saluting
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 No.404124

>>404119
Allende
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 No.404135

>>404124
Damn, that's some depressing shit bruh.
Fuck Pinochet.
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 No.404242

nazbol gang???
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 No.404260

>>398629
Opportunism with Argentine characteristics.
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 No.405494

>>401389
r/argentina its the worst homogeneous shithole of metropolitan middle-upper class libertarian males ever.
i mean the country its really fucked up by inflation, poberty, etc. but even in this scenario this dudes are just so dense.
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 No.405674

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>>405494
Every single hispanic Shapiro/Yiannopoulos copycat like Agustín Laje, Dannan, Milei etc is argentinian. All the libertarian incelism retardation comes from that country. i'd be not surprised if Argentina becomes Ancapistan in 20 years thanks to all those teenagers being brainwashed right now.
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 No.405763

>>398675
I'm dying laughing thinking about a book on Peronism called "I Can't Believe It's Not Fascism!"
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 No.405770

His return from spain phase, with his new wife and a mystic was cringe
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 No.405831

>>405763
>I Can't Believe It's Not Fascism!
I actually made that same joke years ago on the old 8chan /leftypol/
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 No.405941

>>405674
Don't worry too much. Lolberts and ancaps are on the fringes of politics, their audience consists of 90% teenage gamers, and their parties never get votes, that's why they end up joining mainstream liberal parties to gain anything. Shapiro copycats are all over Latin America, they all have the same rhetoric and they're ALL being financed by the Atlas network and American think-tanks. They basically depend on America to exist.
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 No.411585

>>398629
Fascist.

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