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 No.399119[View All]

I often see communists decry prison labor in capitalist countries, particularly in the United States, describing it as a form of modern slavery. However, I often see these same communists turn around and praise prison labor in communist countries, most notably the Soviet Union. Why is this case? Why can't I oppose prison labor under all economic systems?
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 No.399566

>>399562
lmao we have a stalin debate bro arguing against gulags
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 No.399567

>>399565
>hurr durr logic is by-passable by my dogma
Weak
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 No.399570

>>399556
People here are claiming that gulag workers had it better than American prison workers. I am providing evidence that is not the case.
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 No.399572

>>399351
>wtf is a kulak?
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 No.399573

>>399566
I'm all for gulags but against weak arguments from effete liberals larping as marxists
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 No.399576

There is nothing wrong with it.
The problem with US prison Labour is that their renting out peoples labour to make fucking hand soap to a friend of Chris Cuomo, While prison Labour in socialist republics was harnessed to build fucking canals and terraform marshlands and swamps
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 No.399581

>>399576
is the correct answer
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 No.399587

>>399567
>Facts and Logic!
Like Pottery
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 No.399590

>>399587
>passive aggressive feminine snark
Right on cue
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 No.399594

>>399570
Has anyone been doing that in this thread? And not arguing that more people are imprisoned in the US as a fraction of the world population for far more asinine reasons?
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 No.399595

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>>399590
This you?
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 No.399598

>>399181
Does it not incentivize the same under socialism? Sure it's kot for personal profit, but Siberia could really use a new railroad, and we need a new bridge into Afghanistan, and Stalin might get mad if we go over budget again…
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 No.399601

>>399594
>But muh poor thieves,rapists and murderers
Liberals make me sick.This is why liberals get the bullet too - especially american liberals.And anarkiddies too.
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 No.399604

>>399595
>everyone who I dislike is a trans nazi
Kek. Retard.
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 No.399611

>>399601
What are you even talking about?
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 No.399617

>>399611
>What are you even talking about?
The weak,effete,liberal brainrot you're all swimming in and can't see.
>but muh poor criminals
Fuck criminal vermin and lumpenprole scum. Prison and gulags are the correct places for such people.Punishment and rehabilitation where possible.
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 No.399625

>>399576
Prison labor in the United States has been used to build roads and shit, so I am not sure that it is any less productive than Soviet prison labor. Besides, free labor can be used to build all of those things, so you still don't need prison labor to begin with.

>>399594
Yes. See >>399225 and >>399510
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 No.399626

>>399598
Except the numbers don’t pan out for that and stalin literally deposed one of his heads of NKVD for having too many people arrested
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 No.399628

much funnier
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 No.399629

>>399626
No.For having the wrong people arrested.
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 No.399630

>>399334
>IIRC correctly John McCain was tortured by North Vietnam for awhile.
His prison guards and several fellow inmates deny this.
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 No.399631

>>399630
Source?
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 No.399632

>>399626
It's a hypothetical example of how prison labour can be incentivized despite no personal profit.
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 No.399687

>>399446
>implying whites don't die in prison too
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 No.399691

>>399687
if your policies target 10 blacks for every 2 whites that's still ethnic cleansing
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 No.399700

>>399617
Weed smokers should be shot by a firing squad
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 No.399704

>>399700
Meant to greentext
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 No.399709

>>399632
And I can make hypotheticals about the moon being made of cheese
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 No.399715

>>399625
>Saying that in gulags the purpose was to detain and possibly reform criminals and dangerous elements
>Saying that most people in gulags were rotten bastards and not politicals
I shiggy diggy
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 No.399780

This thread is a shit show.
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 No.399926

>>399137
nice LARP kid
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 No.399951

>"You hate this thing as it exists under these regulations, yet you won't hate another thing that would exist under completely different regulations and that I make equal rhetorically by referring to it with the same words. Curious."
>3248247283 replies

You all need to go hang yourselves.
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 No.399984

>>399701
Looks like the only who denies McCain specifically being tortured was one of his prison guards. I would have to investigate this further if I want to know what really happened.

Also not sure what I think if this website when it has headlines like "U.S. Intelligence Coverup? Newly Declassified FBI File on Nirvana’s Kurt Cobain Compounds Evidence Implicating his Wife’s Role in his Murder"
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 No.399996

>>399261
>But were gulag inmates treated any better than prison laborers in capitalist countries? The yearly mortality rate for gulags in 1933 was 5% in 1933.
Anon, you do know what happened in 1933, right?
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 No.400006

>>399453
>>399462
>>399467
>>399479
Laziest flaseflag in a while.
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 No.400014

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>>399533
>(about 1 to 3% per year at the beginning of the 1950s).[16][17] In 1956 the mortality rate dropped to 0.4%.[18]
>In fact, US inmates, as of 2018, had lower mortality rates (0.344% per year)
The difference between 0.4% and 0.344% is rather negligible.
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 No.400147

>>400136
>It wasn't just 1933. Here's a chart showing every year (Note: exact numbers vary by source)
This just shows fluctuations that do coincide with major events occurring which would cause what you would expect, that is to say mortality jumping in 1933 during the famine and mortality jumping again during onset of the war and after, with in heavily declining post 1950. I'm also going to have to question some of these morality rates, because it doesn't match up with the rates from Getty.
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 No.400991

>>399137
>Anarchists will ferment the soil of the gulags, by the way. Extremely excited to see you rats hit the ground.
>excited from death
You sure you arent a fascist?
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 No.402711

>>399119
Because the Gulags had limited sentences and were using people whose criminal actions made them endebted to society, to do dangerous and harder work than ordinary, law-abiding people, thus getting economic goals constructed and not risking more merited people's lives.
>inb4 political repression
Over 75% of prisoners in the Gulag were there for criminal charges, not political treason, and to assume all political charges were false is to assume that dissidents did not exist in the USSR and that said dissidents were so unaffected by the Soviet government that they wouldn't resort to terrorism, conspiracies or treason, which in a population of over 100 million people is a statistical impossibility.
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 No.406375

Fun read
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 No.406546

>>402711

over 75% of prisoners in the US are there for criminal charges and are actually guilty. You cry boohoo for them getting paid nothing to pick cotton or pave roads with minimal deaths/injuries but cheer for the criminals of the soviets building roads and railroad tracks while dying like flies.
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 No.406558

>>399119
Its A-OK under both because lumpen criminals are leeches but Americans are hypocrites because they have their own gulag system.
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>>406546
not true
labour camp inmates further received pay and rehabilitation and a job after release
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 No.406799

I often see capitalists decry prison labor in socialist countries, particularly in the Soviet Union, describing it as a form of modern slavery. However, I often see these same capitalists turn around and praise prison labor in capitalist countries, most notably the United States. Why is this case? Why can't I oppose prison labor under all economic systems?
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 No.407425

Quite simple, it's targeted at different classes. Capitalist prisons ensure the continued slavery of the working class, production for profit of the capitalists who own the means of production. Socialist reformist labour has a different content. It ensured the moral, ideological and physical re-education of counterrevolutionaries, exploiters, former bourgeoisie who do not accept proletarian power. Their labour is used for the benefit of the working class, by building canals for example.
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 No.407479

its very different and the fact you dont understand says more about you
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 No.413332

>>399310
muslim law is more based about punishment,beating, or execution is better than wasting taxpayer money into this, most prisioners come out as even worse human beings and lets not talk about inocents that bacome criminals after they go into prision for several years
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 No.413495

some criminals deserve slavery to help pay off their debts to their victims
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 No.413504

>>399348
>It's about normalizing real life while still being in prison
Is this always something you should do? Some people deserve only a lifetime of forced labour, just never let them out, or alternatively kill them. A lot of criminals are simply cold and calculating predators that will do whatever they want when no one is looking, they will never change, only convince you they have

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