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 No.392496

Be honest with me bros, are we winning the fight against neoliberalism/capitalism/fascism worldwide? Is socialism/communism more popular today than in 1991 when the USSR collapsed? Is the future bright for the leftist camp in general terms?
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 No.392497

Yes
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 No.392505

Communism is dead as an ideology. Socialism is on the rise but only in America which is the funniest shit ever, like legit. Even though American “socialism” is essentially an extensive public welfare system (not even a welfare state or socdem state because the US political system is not capable of being transformed into a socdem one) and so socialism is alive, in the west, only in the most powerful country. LatAm is not new to left and right struggles but the only country with the most broad implications of socialism right now is the US. If the US is able to win the ideological war for socialism it’ll have more broad implications for the rest of the world.
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 No.392507

The USSR died almost 30 years ago, that's nothing in terms of history. We're barely leaving the era of darkest reaction.
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 No.392514

>>392505
>only country with the most broad implications of socialism right now is the US
That's some bullshit right there pretty much any country in south America have a higher chance of socialism than the USA.
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 No.392515

>>392497
>Yes
yes
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 No.392520

Aren't European zoomers become much more right-wing? AT least in Belgium?
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 No.392522

>>392505
>Socialism is on the rise but only in America
nots not.
what is on the rise is people calling welfare capitalism socialism but not socialism itself
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 No.392525

>>392514
You isolated a specific quote of what I said and ignored the rest which tells me you didn’t read the rest because I imagine you’re illiterate and reading more than one sentence is too much for your brain power.

>>392522
Retard
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 No.392527

>>392496
No, ask again in a hundred years. Seriously popularity doesn't mean we are more likely to succeed in creating Socialist-lead states, much less building socialism. Especially when the structure of western liberal democracy negates any possibility of a socialist in office able to challenge private property, and conditions in the west would need to deteriorate much further to cause any revolutionary fervor . There is also no world power that is truly fighting capital like the Soviets did (inb4: BUT WHADABOUT CHYNA, I'm mostly neutral on them and am willing to understand that their leadership is trying to keep ahold of some finance capital to avoid the strangulation of their economy like what happened to other socialist powers, but it's consequences have lead to a peculiar red-capitalist ideology of state-backed business formation, either way it won't be destroying capitalism anytime soon). The only good news currently is that capitalism is increasingly creating more problems for itself and seems more and more precarious. The game of building socialism is a long one, a vast historical project, it may take a century or two to gain the ground lost by the USSR.
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 No.392537

>>392525
seethe pol
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 No.392553

>>392537
Pol infiltrators calling others pol. You seethe pol lol
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 No.392555

>>392553
mask off pol?
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 No.392603

I don't read but like, in light of ecological issues I'd argue that we're losing really, really badly. We probably don't have that long before modern civilization starts tl implode, and the bourg are much better equipped than we are to steer things in a direction amenable to their ends. There is little to no resistance to capitalism in any of the Western nations, the struggle in Latin America is not as radical as one would hope (plus the fact that the US will likely try to stamp it out again), and while CHYNA seems like it could be a beacon of hope I'm not even sure they're fully committed to building an alternative to this horror of a world
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 No.392613

And it's like, the majority of North America in is massive drought, the entire Pacific seaboard burns each year, entire towns wake up underwater in Germany, we have people whose main gig is selling people cheap Chinese junk in boxes to your door really fast are going into fucking space while we remain bickering about whether or not black people have souls or if trans people should be allowed to use bathrooms. What the fuck are we doing?
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 No.392708

>>392505
Exacly. Like bruh we have legacy and shit here in Europe, some radical cells and parties but my bet is that the fight for socialism in this century will be in the entire American continent.
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 No.392736

I find myself swinging wildly from one end of this conversation to the other. On one hand socialism is seeing a massive rise in popularity. On the other hand it's mostly just retards who think it's social democracy.

Membership in communist orgs is up in the country, but, the numbers are abysmally low. I just don't know what to think tbh.
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 No.392744

>>392708
And Africa. Europe is a lost cause as it stands. Despite Europe’s rich socialist struggle in the 19th century and even for some of the 20th. Europe is moving towards the right without any considerable leftist struggle, and in particular a socialist one. What Europe looks like right now is a struggle between the center and movement towards the right. In the US at least we’re trying to popularize socialism despite it being just welfare state shit but that’s not the point since the point is to popularize and destigmatize socialism. South Africa is also attempting to rebuild socialism with the EFF.
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 No.392774

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The real showdown will be digital slavery dressed as leftish authoritarianism vs rightish libertarianism I think. The pay to players will buy and co-opt whatever government positions people try to back. So if you say communism, they'll show up looking the part just long enough to bring all collective and individual powers under lock and key again. The only way out is to expect it and surprise them in return.
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 No.392787

>>392496
No. Civilization will collapse from climate change before you ever get a chance to create your gommie utopia.
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 No.392794

>>392774
>
The real showdown will be digital slavery dressed as leftish authoritarianism vs rightish libertarianism I think. The pay to players will buy and co-opt whatever government positions people try to back. So if you say communism, they'll show up looking the part just long enough to bring all collective and individual powers under lock and key again. The only way out is to expect it and surprise them in return.
What
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 No.392796

>>392505
America will get free college and free healthcare at most before global warming causes it, and every other country, to collapse.

>>392520
I doubt it, although they don't seem to be drifting towards communism either. They're just
plain ol' libs.

>>392522
This mainly, although I think radicals are increasing in number too
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 No.392797

>>392787
Who brainwashed you to wanna demoralize working minds and undermine working hands? They gave you all the zealotry and none of the skill.
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 No.392800

>>392797
I'm just being realistic. You can feel free to do whatever political activism you want, but understand that your likelihood of success is rather low.
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 No.392804

>>392796

>although I think radicals are increasing in number too

there's hardly anything "radical" about them
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 No.392806

>>392804
>there's hardly anything "radical" about them
I'm referring to Marxists and anarchists, not Bernie bros and DSA members
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 No.392809

>>392806
Today's marxists and anarchists aren't too radical
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 No.392811

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>>392496
>Is the future bright for the leftist camp in general terms?
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 No.392813

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Yes we are winning
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 No.392816

>>392806
I think you are possibly retarded.
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 No.392824

>>392811
>No explanation
Into the trash it goes
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 No.392830

>>392824
It's not that complicated.
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 No.392836

>>392830
On paper historical materialism is simple, but in reality it is not. I would need to hear Davis's reasoning if I am to believe anything she says.
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 No.392838

>>392496
Socialism is dead.
Its been 40 years since the last revolutions.
But capitalism will incur in its own contradictions.
Probably ending up in lots of people dying.
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 No.392844

>fascism
Literally 0 countries.
AFAIK the extent of their presence is they've got like a couple of squatter house communes, and those are third positionists with some "left"-like values anyway.
>nazism/neo-nazism
Largely online due to global repression and hatred. A few IRL protests. Not a real threat currently.
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 No.392852

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>>392811
Yikes!
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 No.392854

>>392496
>Be honest with me bros, are we winning the fight against neoliberalism/capitalism/fascism worldwide?
We are losing badly but technology and the rise of China gives hope.
>Is socialism/communism more popular today than in 1991 when the USSR collapsed?
Its not. Many Soviet funded groups/movements still operated in the late 90's and early 2000.
>Is the future bright for the leftist camp in general terms?
Technology and its effects on the mode of production can change things very fast with mass unemployment etc.
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 No.392857

0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin.
All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. He is starting to suspect Karl Marx fucked him over personally with his socio-economic theory.
It has, however, made him into a very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.
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 No.392860

>>392520
Who gives a fuck about Belgium?

>>392505
Demonstratively false.

>>392736
Acceleration, velocity and location are related, even if wildly different.
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 No.392861

>tfw I made OP's pic like 3 yrs ago
>tfw I hate OP
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 No.392863

>>392496
FASCISM – WHAT IS IT?

Extracts from a letter to an English comrade, November 15, 1931;

printed in The Militant, January 16, 1932

* * *

What is fascism? The name originated in Italy. Were all the forms of counter-revolutionary dictatorship fascist or not (That is to say, prior to the advent of fascism in Italy)?

The former dictatorship in Spain of Primo de Rivera, 1923–30, is called a fascist dictatorship by the Comintern. Is this correct or not? We believe that it is incorrect.

The fascist movement in Italy was a spontaneous movement of large masses, with new leaders from the rank and file. It is a plebian movement in origin, directed and financed by big capitalist powers. It issued forth from the petty bourgeoisie, the slum proletariat, and even to a certain extent from the proletarian masses; Mussolini, a former socialist, is a “self-made” man arising from this movement.

Primo de Rivera was an aristocrat. He occupied a high military and bureaucratic post and was chief governor of Catalonia. he accomplished his overthrow with the aid of state and military forces. The dictatorships of Spain and Italy are two totally different forms of dictatorship. It is necessary to distinguish between them. Mussolini had difficulty in reconciling many old military institutions with the fascist militia. This problem did not exist for Primo de Rivera.

The movement in Germany is analogous mostly to the Italian. It is a mass movement, with its leaders employing a great deal of socialist demagogy. This is necessary for the creation of the mass movement.

The genuine basis (for fascism) is the petty bourgeoisie. In italy, it has a very large base – the petty bourgeoisie of the towns and cities, and the peasantry. In Germany, likewise, there is a large base for fascism …

It may be said, and this is true to a certain extent, that the new middle class, the functionaries of the state, the private administrators, etc., can constitute such a base. But this is a new question that must be analyzed …

In order to be capable of foreseeing anything with regard to fascism, it is necessary to have a definition of that idea. What is fascism? What are its base, its form, and its characteristics? How will its development take place? It is necessary to proceed in a scientific and Marxian manner.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p1
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 No.392867

>literally no-one answering OP
>most people just talking about USA and China
>no discussion of actual existing communes
>*no mention of the nordic system :^)**
Y'all suck!
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 No.392874

>>392867
Is this satire or something?
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 No.392901

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Yes, and it is paradoxical, cause we're winning it cause socdems are losing it.
Remember, as communists, our objectives are these, and are in order:
>Capitalism is in a state that it's about to collapse.
>We force it's collapse.
>We impose communism.

Think for a second on the conditions that the proletariat has to endure: There's cases of jobs in which the employees have to go with fucking diapers cause capitalists think that it's preferable to have their workers fucking shit themselves before having them go to the bathroom, or the piss in bottles for amazon workers, or the most egregious example of them all: Greece, (which is pretty much the future which the PIGS countries, Portugal/Italy/Greece/Spain has to look at) has made it legal for a 10 hour work day, with the same salary, in a country in which, mind you, has probably about 20% of unemployment (much of it being hidden cause it's being done on the black market of labour, without goverment intervention like putting taxes on things, checking that the worker is not being overworked, or that it's work can be delivered to a pension program on the future).
All of this is showing us that the capitalist class is trying to save the boat as fast as they can, the only way out for them, that is to maximize the work hours that they get from the proletariat. Beforehand you could not have to force the proletariat to work them as for much as you could, they just did so cause they could, but during the 20th century, thanks to a big workers movement which was backed by the 2nd world power, the bourgeoisie had to cede on some territory, also because there was a bigger market that they could exploit, being that of the imperialized nations. But that well from which the bourgeoisie got their water from is rapidly dwindling, cause the falling rate of profit is one hell of a bitch.
If you know, the falling rate of profit exists because of modernization and competivity, Modernization makes stuff more rapidly, meanwhile competivity between the bourgeoisie makes it so the prices HAVE to go down, making the profit from more products turn into less profit overall, cause you NEED to sell stuff to complete the M-C-M cicle. This falling rate of profit has been going one and going one, and no one can stop it unless you force the state to buy tonnes of your stock, which is what happened during wars, the rate of profit went up cause states weren't the ones making the bullets or the rifles or the tanks, businesses were, and because of that the US has the military complex that it has nowadays and is so violent towards pretty much anyone, the US state needs to mantain the military complex business that became massive during the second World War and during the Cold War, and thus, if there's no war, then such relationship is pointless, and thus it needs to be mantained, and also because they guys in the goverment are literally representatives of the military complex itself. That's why the biggest companies on the world are military ones, which got such profit thanks to the state itself.
This is also why there has been such a shift in neoliberalized countries in still providing public services, but instead of delivering it themselves, paying some private enterprise to be the provider, having it's costs payed by the goverment and also taking it's money from the people themselves. Do not be fooled, taxes are not progressive, taxes on capitalist countries are used only by the purpose of enriching further the capitalist, be it making new roadlines (The fact that most railroad services are public is because the bourgeoisie wouldn't benefit at all that if it was conducted by another enterprise lmao), or making new tunnels… making infrastructure, basically. Aside from that, there are other services which were given to the state, be it the sanitary system or the mailing system, by the same reason, so enterprises could make more profits.
Either way, nowadays such a total war like the second world war seems impossible cause nuclear fallout would completely fuck up everything and it would be completely unpopular, but as a poster in here says, the bourgeoisie don't care about the life situation of the proles, they live on their mansions, and their focus is on profit, not on survival. The bourgeoisie, if a meteorite were to hit the Earth, would be going to some Wall Street Journal type newspaper to write how horrible such a catastrophe would be to the ECONOMY, not the people, the ECONOMY.

To put another example, the push for the proles to eat bugs for the environment. You need to think like a diary capitalist on this, beef you can only get about, maybe 30% meat, which means everything else is wasted space, chicken more meat, maybe 60%, Pork can be used for whatever you want, but cause they don't really have that much usefulness, about 80%. Bugs, being so small, has about a 100% profitability, cause you can't get out the bad stuff from it, it's so small that it doesnt matter, which means that, let's say, 1m squared of bugs is quite a lot more profitable, you can use all that 1m squared, that 1m squared of beef. This also is because of the need to buy them food, with 1m squared of bugs, 100% of the food you serve them is going towards profitability, with beef, 70% of the food you buy goes towards things you don't need, things that are useless to you (but useful to the cow in question) and thus it's a waste of money.

To finalize, I want to make this declaration.
CAPITALISM HAS REACHED IT'S FINAL DESTINATION, THE MINMAXING DESTINATION
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 No.392913

>>392901
Latin America is the perfect example of how capitalists can always go more exploitative and nothing happens.

Here 9 hour work days are legal in almost every country, the pay is absolute dogshit even if you have a proper career (good engineers and shit being paid $800 a month, LMAO) and extremely high unemployment (around 70%, but our politicians like to call it "informal employment, basically selling shit on the street on your own, that would be unemployment on the US and EU) and literally nothing happens.

People here still defend porky and the current capitalist system because they think they're all high-middle class quasi bourgeoisie because they have an IPhone and earn $800 a month slaving away 60 hours a week while living in a 3rd world shithole LMAO.
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 No.392921

>>392505

I completely disagree. The US is not moving in any sort of socialist direction and never will until the 2 party system collapses.
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 No.392923

Latin America is going to be the epicenter, many left and right figures are rising and I feel like its a powder keg waiting to explode between these two factions. In America, it is also divided but I think the imperial core will prevent any substantial change. In Europe, the right is rising faster than the left I believe, Europe is undergoing faster degradation. Africa and Asia are both very interesting. Africa specifically is seeing rise of developing economies, more reliant on Chinese manufacturing and development of their own means of productions. Asia in general is going to be a lot like LATAM in its division, but rather with ideology, it will be nationalist vs nationalist. Not to mention, in Asia many old feuds have not still gone away and the allies in that region are often only allies under certain conditions, only Japan is the certain ally of the USA (being a puppet). Every other Asian country is fighting for their own interest and there is no unifying power just yet.
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 No.392928

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>>392901
Tbh you could compare capitalism to a dying star.
>The star is fusing hydrogen.
>The pace at which fuses hydrogen accelerates.
>Nevertheless, the hydrogen isn't an infinite resource, and it's turn into helium.
>Hydrogen is about run out.
<THIS IS THE STAGE OF CAPITALISM YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW
>The star needs to keep on running, it can't stop.
>The star starts fusing helium, while turning into a red giant.
>It keeps fooooosing and fooosong til a critical mass is reached.
>It's atoms seek freedom cause of the massive energy that is being produced.
>The star fucking explodes, collapses.
>Leaving such a stable white star that it's going to endure till the end of the universe and beyond in an stable state (communism)
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 No.392929

>>392913

Every Latin American country is a 3rd world shithole?
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 No.392932

>>392929
Pretty much yes some less than others.
I always LMAO so hard when cuban gusanos think that without socialism Cuba would become a 1st world country in 2 weeks, neoliberalism didn't work for the rest of latin-america so why it would work for Cuba?
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 No.392933

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>>392913
Latin America is also literally one giant playground for both revolutionaries and the US propaganda machine alike. Just look at the 20th century of the continent.
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 No.392942

>>392933
>The old guy behind Castro
>Literally a sosia of Risitas
Is this a message?
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 No.392968

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>>392928
>The star fucking explodes, collapses.
>Leaving such a stable white star that it's going to endure till the end of the universe and beyond in an stable state (communism)

<The star fucking explodes, collapses.

<The humongous mass it had before aggregates but fails to ignite instead forming a nightmarish, all consuming, ever growing black hole that breaks everything down before it's consumed and nothing ever escapes it's incomprehensible depths until the end of the universe (full surveillance, neural pacifiers, complete technological enclosure of humanity)
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 No.392978

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>>392968
That's where we enter the stage.
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 No.392998

>>392928
>It's atoms seek freedom cause of the massive energy that is being produced.
Burger education everyone.
The elements (aka burgyonic matter) fuses until it is largely iron, where upon it signs a declaration of independence, and establishes a free and independent supernova remnant.
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 No.393032

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>>392998
You must be really fun at parties
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 No.393040

>>393032
hola compañero eres de Ezzzzthpaña?
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 No.393043

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 No.393047

>>393043
no mames ;__;
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 No.393050

>>393047
No mamo, no soy gay.
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 No.393054

eh could be worse
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 No.393142

ughyas need to read the sand book LOL
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 No.393758

>>392794
Any massively popular communist or socialist movement will see its vanguard be co-opted by or corrupted into the capitalist class, used to reproduce class itself or class tendencies… unless this is foreseen and prepared for with surgically accurate measures to prevent becoming the co opted or the controlled opposition. The pay to play system actually fights to keep itself in place.
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 No.393792

>>392496
No, but we are seeing somewhat of an resurgence. The left is still too focused on idpol issues, therefore it has no use currently and is still mostly not relevant to real politics. Though it is better than when the USSR collapsed, that definetly.
As long as the left keeps getting itself into petty culture wars it will not rise to such relevance as it was before the collapse.
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 No.393799

>>393050
Te la pierdes jaja
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 No.393953

>>392496
USSR and China was a failure of a PR Stunt for socialism but i would say class consciousness is slowly gaining ground.
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 No.393954

>>392505
Its not dead if there are actually existing nations subscribing to its ideology.
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 No.393957

>>393954
China is not Communist
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 No.393958

>>393957
No shit, they say that they are currently in the primary stage of building socialism
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 No.393960

As an outsider looking in, I would say no. The only real socialist countries today are NK, Venezuela, and Cuba afaik, and most of you ignore they exist in favor of promoting the very obvious capitalist state of China.
Capitalism has consolidated power on a global scale now, much more so than in past decades. They have millions of soldiers, nuclear weapons, and they're the goal that developing nations have for themselves.
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 No.394592

>>393960
>Leftypol does NOT have a hate boner for dengists and at best critically supports the PRC
I can tell you’re an outsider
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 No.400874

Bump thread
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 No.400908

No
Most communist parties can't even recognise the coronafascist worldwide assault.

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