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 No.211966[Last 50 Posts]

Thread for all things Nordic. Recommended languages: Finnish, Scandinavian and English.
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 No.211967

Has anyone ever tried to make a Scandinavian conlang that can be understood my most Scandies? Something Mezhduslyavanski.
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 No.211968

You people are cucks, if anyone can become Marxist Leninist and get away with it in the west, it is the scandinavian countries, but they're cucked up sideways.
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 No.211969

>>5006
I mean, you can just speak Norwegian with increasing levels of retardation and basically speak all scandinavian languages.
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 No.211970

is it true that banana pizza is a delicacy in sweden
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 No.211971

who the fuck carved an arbitrary chunk out of Yorkshire and labeled it "Nordic" on this map? either draw the actual Danelaw borders correctly or just scrap it
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 No.211972

>>5010
West Riding of Yorkshire uses the nordic flag .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Riding_of_Yorkshire
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 No.211973

>>5011
…so the map is meant to show everywhere that has a Nordic flag, not everywhere that "is Nordic" in any other sense?
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 No.211974

>>5006
There already is one, organically: Swedish/Norwegian/Danish.
>>5008 is pretty much correct
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 No.211975

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>>5009
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 No.211976

Would you consider the Sami to be their own nation? If so, would you consider them an oppressed nation? What would a communist regime handle them?
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 No.211977

What's the point of having this subcontinental general when we have /EUROpol/? It'd probably be better to keep that bumped to counter the anglo hegemony of /leftypol/'s page 1. For a board reflection to the material advancement of multipolarity.
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 No.211978

>>5015
They are but unfortunately they are very small in numbers and so it would be hard to organize any real ML/M-type strategy with them. Maybe I'm wrong tho (I don't live that far north, just speculating).
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 No.211979

Its totally quiet in Helsinki now that we have martial law / lock down. They will probably flood streets with 18-20yo conscripts led by polices to enforce curfew.
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 No.211980

>>119005
Greetings from Sweden, where the authorities are still constitutionally prohibited from enacting curfews but on the other hand we have people dying or having their lungs mutilated in droves. Hellworld timeline desu
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 No.211981

>>5016
Because we are literally communist according to americans.
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 No.211982

>>5019
Sweden is a warning example for the rest of us again. Your government needs to seriously update its martial laws now that Baltic Sea region is hot and close to war.
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 No.211983

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>>5021
The thing is, curfews and all that are permitted when in a state of war. It's peace that's the problem
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 No.211984

>>5019
>>5022
>>5021
Curfews wouldn't do shit to stop coronavirus spread.
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 No.211985

>>5023
Well not in Southern Europe where they french kiss other men when they see each other as a form of hello. But im sure some military in the streets is enough to remind Finns to endure to midsummer.
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 No.211986

>>5022
Modern day warfare doesn't have deceleration of wars. Time to update laws. Or you could declare war against corona.
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 No.211987

dumfrågedags: hur säger man mutual aid på svenska och finns det någon som sysslar med det någonstans?
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 No.211988

>>5026
>hur säger man mutual aid på svenska
utopianism
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 No.211989

>>5027
:(
jag var seriös
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 No.211990

>>5028
direktöversättningen vore "ömsesidig hjälp", men det låter lite töntigt. det överlappar väl en del med gåvoekonomi. kanske ömsesidighet?
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 No.211992

>>5029
håller med, men ömsesidighet är för oprecist. om det verkligen inte finns någon svensk översättning sedan tidigare så förslår jag "ömsesidigt bistånd", i dagligt tal ÖB.
jaha då ska man bara se till att börja med det också
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 No.211993

>>5012
OP here, I mainly just thought it was an amusing implied notion for this kind of pan national identity to be based on the layout of the flag and nothing else. All spooks are created equal!
also Skåne
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 No.211994

>>5026
>>5027
>>5028
>>5029
>>5030
>>5031

Speak english so that the finns can understand.
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 No.211995

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>>5033
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 No.211996

>>5033
No worries, they get to learn Swedish in elementary school.
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 No.211997

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>Javisst, jag ser gärna ett rasistparti i regeringställning, hur visste du?
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 No.211998

>Povel Johansson (K) kommenterar beslutet om EU:s återhämtningsfond
https://youtu.be/sgXRfYn2dL0

Pretty happy to see a relatively young leader of K, not gonna lie. Maybe the party can actually become relevant again.
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 No.211999

>>5037
Redpill me on K.
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 No.212000

>>5038
It's Sweden's biggest Communist Party with the richest history. Seems to be anti-revisionist, was Maoist in the 70s.
Has been dormant and the party of the elderly for the last many many years, but with controversial new legislation about the suppression of the right to strike and now the pandemic interest among young people have increased to this party, finally.
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 No.212001

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Finnish Maoists celebrated 150th anniversary of Paris Commune with graffiti and posters.

https://punalippu.noblogs.org/
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 No.212002

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 No.212003

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Hyvää pääsiäistä, toverit.
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 No.212004

>>5042
Looks based and lolpilled, but can someone translate and explain plzz?
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 No.212005

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How do you stop her?
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 No.212006

>>5044
By dating her. Check out for Surtr. She's beautiful.
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 No.212007

>>5042
>supporting the orthodox church
Outside of a few local preists and theologians they are super cringe reactionaries, unironically it easier to find a leftist pagan than a leftist ultra orthodox cringe lord
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 No.212008

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>>5045
You might be onto something comrade, just look at how she reaches out to this handsome man who foolishly and ungratefully evades her warm embrace, so much hotter than that of any mortal woman
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 No.212009

>>5046
Sektarianismi on räikeä, toveri.
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 No.212010

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Finnish neo-nazi beheaded another Finnish neo-nazi on 5th of December 2020, one day before Finnish independence day. Both were active members of the Swedish-led hitlerite group "Nordic Resistance Movement" (NRM).

The killer was in love with a nazi bitch who was also his landlord and neighbour. But this nazi bitch was fucking another nazi guy. All three of them were members of the NRM. When the killer found out that the other nazi guy was visiting this girl, he destroyed his car and broke in to her apartment and stabbed the guy over 50 times and tried to cut his head off.

The victim was a 40+ years old, fanatic violent nazi and a long time member of the NRM. He was also a singer in a nazi band, and his lyrics were mostly about killing jews, communists and violent fantasies about disgusting shit. So when he died, nothing of value was lost.

The killer is a zealous 29-year old nazi and a mental case who was obsessed about the girl. He thougt they had a relationship or something. The victim was the one who introduced him to the NRM and was his mentor at the beginning.

The girl is a 40+ years old nazi. And I'm not a misogynist, but she is know for her extremely violent and disgusting views to all Finnish anti-fascists. She has supported school shootings and killing immigrant children and stuff like that. So that's why I'm calling her a bitch. When interviewed by the police about this murder, she said the killer was a sad bastard and more like a little brother, not a boyfriend or a lover.

Sources:
- One of the top Finnish bourgeois newspapers: https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/6d351522-78db-4704-a1b8-4e5cf67f7079
- Finnish anti-fascist website: https://varisverkosto.com/2021/03/pvln-samuli-matilainen-syytettyna-toisen-jarjeston-natsin-murhasta-vetosi-oikeudessa-harhaisuuteen/
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 No.212011

>>5049
BASERAT
Thanks for sharing.
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 No.212012

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Här har vi husockupation på en helt ny nivå! Gammalt bankirspalats på stockholmsö köps av "fastighetsutvecklare" som till sin fasa upptäcker att stället redan är bebott av vad jag skulle karaktärisera som en lirare. Utsagorna om exakt bakomliggande händelseutveckling går isär men det kan vi lämna därhän, konflikten mellan ägare och brukare avtecknar sig knivskarpt, med nedfallna kristallkronor som tacksam fond. Exploatörens tomma blick när han söker artikulera sin egendomsrätt är ett konstverk i sig.

Hade jag bott närmare och varit mer utåtriktad hade jag plingat på och undersökt möjligheterna att flytta in. Den ljuvliga undergångsromantiken i att leva okänd och osedd i en retirerad ägarklass överdådiga detritus…!

https://www.mitti.se/nyheter/villa-kassman-har-salts-med-en-olovlig-hyresgast/repudh!Gs5ZyDKeLiIFv1SrlqE8A/
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/kriget-om-krakslottet-ockupanten-leif-vagrar-flytta
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 No.212013

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Reminder that Finns are not white
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 No.212014

>>5049
The murderer looks like he was kinda an incel.
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 No.212015

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>>5052
Indeed. Greetings, Sueco-Teutons of the west. I must inform you that you have mistakenly included our North Asian khanate on a map of Nordic countries.
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 No.212016

Apparently there is some kind of stimulus funding being allocated for Finland. For those of you in that country, do you consider being in the EU a drag, something that's not worth it? It seems most do; if you believe so, don't these stimulus funds make it worthwhile?
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 No.215458

bmp
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 No.218257

Finnjävel here
>>212002
Vitun pälli äijä. Juutalaisvastainen terrorille runkkaileva ryssäaatelinen. "Vallankumouksellinen", niinpä niin!
>>212010
Another one tried to kill someone from the Finns Party due to some shady business. Drug dealing childfucking degenerates.
>>212016
>Apparently there is some kind of stimulus funding being allocated for Finland.
Was not aware. If that's the case, good.
>It seems most do
Nope–we are more ok with EU than Nato for instance. This is just my view, but when you're in the EU, you're held hostage economically which was proven with Brexit albeit its instigators Johnson and the conservatives are complete mental deficients who have no idea how to lead a country. There is one nominally anti-EU party who still enjoy EU money from ID Party they are a member of. They're the third biggest party.
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 No.220486

>>218257
>terrorille runkkaileva ryssäaatelinen.
"Russian masturbation terror"…?
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 No.220502

>>220486
rusky noble who wanks to terror
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 No.220533

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>>220502
Seems like the Swedish root for 'wank' is the Finnish root for 'noble'. Go figure.
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 No.220740

>>220533
you learn something new every day. fuck swedes
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 No.229953

>>212012
<inte anställa Leif som gårdskarl
Hu vale! Fi donc!
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 No.230032

Hur fan hittar jag "tenants unions" som engelsmännen beskriver dom? Det är väl ändå inte hyresgästföreningarna? De är ju i fickorna på eliten. Finns det någon mer gräsrots organisation mer styrt av arbetarna än kapitalet och staten, istället för Hyresgästföreningen™?
Eller är det bara jag som missförstår?
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 No.234060

any more nordfriends finally having some absolutely based weather? the snow's almost less than 30 cm now!
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 No.234079

PERKELE
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 No.240701

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 No.247953

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Hey my swedish friends! Why do you hate China so much?
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 No.249713

>>247953
pappa kines (`_´)
mamma japan (´_`)
stackars lilla barn (`_`)
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 No.249723

>>247953
24/7 anti china propaganda. "We" also hate russia for the same reason, also they gonna invade any moment now! ANY MOMENT NOW! First time I heard this was in the 1980s.. so any moment now.
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 No.249762

>>249723
that they might not attack at any moment is just what the russians want you to think
t. general Wachtmeister
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 No.249788

>>249762
The brave God-Emperor Ulf "150kg muskler" Kristersson will wait for them at Svensksund.
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 No.249927

>>249788
Ulf "Ivans förskräckelse" Kristersson
Ulf "Leningrad? More like Leningone!" Kristersson
Ulf "Gasa LAS" Kristersson
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 No.249931

>>211967
Most of us can understand each other fine already, and for the rest there's English.
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 No.249934

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My dad said we have abolished class society, and instead have a society based on education level (or lack thereof). Discuss.
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 No.249961

>>249934
>My dad said we have abolished class society
that's wrong.
>and instead have a society based on education level (or lack thereof)
In addition to class society there are divides based on knowledge and education. But rich people also get access to better education and can afford more learning helps like tutors and special courses. Class conscious rich people are definitely trying to prevent children from lower class backgrounds to get a good education. Class society makes the divides in education level much worse.
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 No.250649

>>249934
Only a tiny minority of highly educated people become part of the ruling calitapist class. Most of them have to sell their labor power. Some might become petty bourgeiois, small businessmen or intelligentsia, but not big capitalists.
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 No.250819

>>249934
Finne här, din pappa är en jävla idiot
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 No.250832

>>249934
Detaching the mode of production and the dynamics of class from education and education levels is absolutely asinine. It sounds like your old man doesn’t have a single clue what he is talking about.
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 No.250855

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>>250819
>se finne puhuu på ruotsia
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 No.250874

>>249934
Is your pappa by any chance an uneducated small business owner who votes Sweden Democrat and posts on flashback.org?
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 No.250879

>>250855
Sorry but I don't read Finnish, did you just ask us to post those Finnish peasant Apu Apustaja artworks?
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 No.251369

>>250874
I had the exact same question. :D
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 No.251513

>>250874
hey now, that's a bit reductionist. he could also be an uneducated small business owner who votes for the True Finns
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 No.252285

>>250855
Jag talar lite svenska. Måste lära svenska här för att det är det andra officiellt språk i Finland. Hatar inte, gillar inte. Många skriker om obligatorisk svenska. uyghra beter sig som svennebögar är lika som judar vem kontrollerar vår regering i hemlighet
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 No.252292

>>252285
Fan också jag sade 'uygh r a beter sig'. Jävla ordfilter. Ät kuk jannienegrer
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 No.252295

>>252292
N
Å
G
R
A
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 No.252412

>>250874
No, he's a SuccDem; local Arbeiderpartiet board member, decently paid and highly educated middle school lector/department head, suburbian homeowner.
>>249961
This is the kind of response I was hoping for when posting this.
One important factor I think you're overlooking is globalization; we don't directly notice them but we depend on foreign proletarians to keep our society running, both outside and inside our borders. Even if every native Norwegian was part of the bourgeoisie, we would still be living in a class society.
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 No.252431

>>252285
SOG = Swedish Occupation Government.

>>252412
This reminds me of some old lady calling into the radio claiming that there is no working class anymore. She and your father clearly has a whole other definition of class than we do.

How does he define CLASS btw?
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 No.252522

>>252295
H I G H I M P A C T W O R D F I L T E R
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 No.252576

>>252431
Dunno, didn't ask. He seems to acknowledge class tho, as he also said "the working class is its own worst enemy", which I sort of agree with.
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 No.256873

Is it true the Nordics didn't have feudalism? What did they have then?
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 No.256878

>>230032
Varför i helvete har ingen svar till detta?
SVARA MIG ERA JÄVLA LAJVARE
AAAAAAHHH
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 No.257023

>>256878
hyresgästföreningen :^)

>>256873
statare might be the closest thing to a serf in Swedish history. also hjon to an extent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statare
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 No.259933

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Ok, vem är det här?

https://twitter.com/rasmusfleischer/status/1393973304499871747

>en 40+ högstatus vänstersnubbe i Stockholm


>Personen i fråga har, i omgångar, vräkt ur sig riktigt grovt antisemitiska utfall sedan minst 20 år.
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 No.259938

>>256873
>Is it true the Nordics didn't have feudalism?
Yes.

>What did they have then?

Counties or Län. Basically feudalism but with none of the disadvantages. One theory is it's because of the cold winters when skiing messengers could pass messages from and back to the central power. Tighter control.
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 No.259947

>>240701
<Suomessa tapahtui paljon asioita. Siihen osallistui kansallissosialisteja. Meillä on erittäin mielenkiintoinen kieli, jossa on noin kolme konsonanttia ja kaksi vokaalia, mutta juuri siksi kompensoimme kirjoittamalla ne monta kertaa. Aivan kuten miksi Pikku Myy korvaa olemalla pahin, koska hän on vähiten.
Ok, but what happened?
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 No.259954

>>249723
>24/7 anti china propaganda.
Nope.

>"We" also hate russia for the same reason,

Nope. Check out some 1000 years of common history.

>also they gonna invade any moment now! ANY MOMENT NOW!

Nope.

>First time I heard this was in the 1980s.. so any moment now.

Because you was born in the early 80s or what?

>>249927
>>249788
>>249762
Move to Canada if Russia is too close for you!
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 No.260408

>>259954
>how to make a trash post 101
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 No.260565

>>260408
>it isn't ethnopolitics when russians or han-chinese does it
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 No.282713

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>>211966
I feel really black pilled about the economic situation in Finland and about dismantling of the welfare state and unions after the center right + far-right coalition will get in power because muh immigration.
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 No.282714

>>220533
Fennoswedes fought with the white army in civil war. Never forget.
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 No.295478

Äntligen fredag, mina få och skingrade kamrater. Skål!
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 No.295674

>>282714
Not all of them. Many Finnish-Swedish workers joined the Red Guards.
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 No.295852

>>295478
baserat
skål kamrat!
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 No.296853

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Finnish fascism
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 No.298090

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>>282713
Finns Party has capitalized on the"finnish mainstream "leftwing's" inability to provide universal vision for the nation and instead focusing on being managers for the status quo with some idpol sprinkling. Finns party just rides on the nationalistic, anti-immigration and anti-liberal sentiment. They are basically an umbrella party for all kinds of reactionary and anti-establishment thought that just sits on the sidelines and gather all the disillusioned voters when the other parties fuck up. The Finns Party voters aren't even predominantly economically right wing, they are just really pissed at everything, suffer from false consciousness and have a culture war mentality. It's the leadership of the party that is hard-right economically despite being somewhat more moderate than some of the grassroots of the party in things like immigration. The Finns party and the National Coalition (Ex white guard, now neolib yuppies) will most likely form a government and will do some serious damage despite the national coalition previously saying that they will not form a government with the Finns Party because they said some mean things about immigrants. If they have the spine and they will stand behind their words, that would be great, but I highly doubt it because this is like the perfect chance for them to fuck up everything that they hate and have opposed from the start like collective labour agreements and welfare state.

Once the reactionary government gets into power in the next two years they will do their damage for the welfare system, unions state enterprises and political life in general. There will most likely be some resistance by the grass roots, state bureaucrats, academia and the unions, but it can't stop all of it. Then the government's polarity will most likely tank and large amount of their voting block gets demoralized because their lives didn't get any better even when there are less immigrants and less vegan food in schools, but it's already too late.

After that in the next election once again a visionless and inept left wing government headed by the succdem party will once again return to power without any ability to fix or build anything new or long lasting for the nation on top of the destruction. It really fucking sucks that all that the communist parties are so fucking small and about as visionless for this nation as the liberal-left despite being somewhat more based. I can't say how many will be woken up from the rightwing idpol culture war psychosis when the Finn's party stabs their voters in the ass, but there must be some better alternatives ready for them. I guess things will get eventually be better but first they are gonna get a lot worse for this country. I guess the succdem policies are also the major barrier for any type of radical politics in this country and these fuckers are going to open the floodgate's for class consciousness and change but also for increased human misery in this nation.
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 No.298134

>>298090
What culture war peculiarities does Finland have? I heard they're shouting about some candy brands changing their brand, like in America, but does Finland have anything particular to itself?
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 No.298229

>>298134
There is always some petty shit that makes waves in social media that is seen as pushing "the leftist agenda". Mostly it's about things like the refugees, gay rights, renewables that aren't really specific to Finland, but they are divisive and these people thrive on divisive things. What comes to mind when thinking about candies there was a while back backlash originating from a branding change of this old candy called Neekerinsuukot (Negro's kisses) to something more politically correct with less caricatures. That is probably what you meant? I guess one other example could be the opposition for the new gender neutral street sign design. There was also recently this local youth council motion in Seinäjoki that would have provided vegan option school lunch that the Finns Party members overturned in the municipal council and later celebrated the "successful victory over the libs". Other than that it is mostly about right to be vulgar and say slurs in public and not get looked down on when "telling the truth about the refugees". There is also every few months an outrage when some public figure from the Finns Party gets fined for incitement to ethnic or racial hatred by the courts and that is seen as politically motivated oppression from the "left".

But there are a lot of this shit is just imported and badly translated Anglo-American narratives and talking points that lives and ferments and grows in the terminally online schizo parts of the Finnish internet sphere like anti-masking.
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 No.298422

>>298229
>This is probably what you meant?
The examples I was thinking of were Eskimo ice cream and Geisha chocolates.

How are foreign narratives badly translated? As in, they're an Anglosphere issue that becomes detached from its root and schizos just give it a new, weaker meaning?
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 No.299154

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>>298090
I think it's very much possible that after Finns Party stabs it's voters and rank-and-file members in the back by forming a government and doing shitty politics, the party will split like it did in 2017. This disillusionment will make room for even more hard-line right wing politics.

There is now the also the new fascist group Sinimusta Liike ("Blue-Black Movement", referring to the traditional colors used by Finnish fascist groups in 1930's). Groups like that might gain success and momentum if Finns Party splits becomes "too liberal" or something.

Also I think that the "Blue-Black Movement" is secretly ran by people from the banned Nordic Resistance Movement and is actually their way of re-grouping. The Finnish NRM already tried to form a legal political party in 2018 but the project died very fast because nobody signed the support cards for registering the party (5000 signatures are needed). Now the main website of Finnish NRM is giving large amount of support and publicity for the "Blue-Black Movement".
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 No.299219

>>299154
Context for that pic, please.
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 No.299614

>>299154
Why was the NRM disbanded again? Was capitalism not in a crisis yet or something? I thought the decline in living standards in the Nordics lately would compel the capitalists to support far-right narratives.
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 No.300134

>>299614

>Why was the NRM disbanded again?

Finnish supreme court deemed it's goals to be unconstitutional and against international human rights agreements. It is legal elsewhere I think.

>would compel the capitalists to support far-right narratives.


That would presuppose that there is an actual threat against the liberal order from the left or otherwise that needs to be dealt with, there is no such thing anywhere in the Nordic countries right now. Now it is sad to say that they see that the neo-nazis as more of threat than the left so they are the ones getting whacked by the state and the media. Fascists are only used as attack dogs for the porkies when there is significant uproar against capitalism and the system can't handle it otherwise and the porkies are at risk of losing it all. They don't let them run loose without a good reason because they are a high risk weapon of last resort that is almost certain to also do some damage to porky interests if left unchecked since inclusive and "free" liberal society is the sweet spot for them.
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 No.306275

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>>211970
Almost everybody thinks that banana on pizza is a work by the devil.

But throw some dolmas, pineapple, kebab or whatever else on it which isn't the most disgusting fruit in the world, and it's a delicacy.

Oh, and you always get pickled white cabbage on the side to your pizza, It's an essential thing, commonly known as "pizza salad".
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 No.312461

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Something I literally stumbled upon when I left work today. 1 year old baby killed in Auscwitchz with her mother but father survived because useful in manual labor. Neonazis have vandalized mothers plaque.
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 No.312499

>>312461
they're not even solid metal? shitty plaques
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 No.312501

What's the flag in the middle of Britain represent? The Danelaw?
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 No.312522

>>306275
>white cabbage on pizza
That’s disgusting as fuck tbh fam.
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 No.312533

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Red Party in Norway rising rapidly in the polls now. Thoughts?
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 No.312540

>>312533
Who are the red party?
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 No.312564

>>312522
It’s actually pretty good I must say, although it’s served on the side, not on the pizza. Some people like to put it on though. It’s essentially thinly cut white cabbage, vinegar, oil (of the vegetable kind, sorry Americans) and pepper.
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 No.312578

>>312540
The only mainstream anti-capitalist party, and therefore worth supporting. Very moderate but infinitely better than the alternatives. https://roedt.no/english
>>312533
>MDG that high
Yikes. But at least V and KrF are getting fucked lmao.
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 No.312929

>>312540
A socialist working class party (in the actual sense), which came from former maoists, but today has mostly a mix of revolutionaries and reformists.
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 No.317708

>>312522
you take that back. that's pizza salad you're talking shit about
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 No.325621

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God fredag!

Can someone explain the circumstances of the upcoming no-confidence vote for the Swedish PM? I read that half of Swedes are also in favor of his removal, what has made him so unpopular? What is the Left Party's motivation for pushing it?
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 No.327249

>>325621
Se goderafton!

The immediate issue at hand, the one prompting the left party to call the confidence voot, is about deregulation of rent - our "social democrat" government wants to increase landlord exploitation of tenants. Obviously this isn't the motivation of the right wing parties, they just want their rivals removed.

I don't know if it's the left party finally uncucking themselves (their parliament members have been doormats for the increasingly neolib succdems for decades, to the increasing ire of their grassroots) or pure cynical spectacle but either way we might be in for some interesting turns.
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 No.328115

>>325621
it's about deregulating rent as >>327249 says
one possible result of this is a snap election (nyval), since no other government constellation is likely to be voted through given current parliamentary makeup. in this case we'll likely see V and SD get more votes, L being ejected from parliament and possibly MP and (om gud vill det) KD also being ejected
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 No.328144

>>328115
These parties mean nothing to me, is your projected result good or bad?
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 No.328145

>>328115
>tfw may live to see a parliament with actual fascists and communists, but no FP, KD or MP
not the future I envisioned, but I'll take it. dialektiken är stadd i rörelse kamrater
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 No.328151

>>328144
Not her, but:
>L = neolib shitheel party with vague classical liberal characteristics
>MP = neolib shitheel party with vague environmelntal characteristics
>KD = neolib shitheel party with vague christian characteristics
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 No.328153

>>328145
>V
>kommunister
anon jag
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 No.328154

>>328153
jamen kolla, om V får fler mandat så ökar chansen att en genuin kommunist får en ledamotspost
MATEMATIK och FAKTA ok kamrat kompis
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 No.328158

>>328154
om V kan sluta sossa ner sig först så skulle jag ha mer tro på detta
jag lär nog rösta på V vilket som
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 No.328193

>>312533
Meh, not comparable to Sp anyway.
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 No.328207

It's live https://www.nrk.no/valg/2021/valgomat/

Got Rødt obviously, but it's fun to compare with other parties, like seeing how retarded MDG are at times.
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 No.328240

Grejen är bara att det är väldigt svårt för mig att få upp förhoppningarna med V när de är så jävla kassa. De kommer nu altså försöka avveckla den centristiska regeringen för att låta SD få mer mandat och några futtiga mer åt sig själva (ett parti emdast bestående av socialdemokrater). Hittar inte linjen för förhoppningar i detta.
Om V hade utveckats mer som det Norska Rødt så hade jag kunnat förstå hur man kan se potential i nån slags intra-kommunistisk återuppståndelse i det döende partiet, eftersom dom t.ex. faktiskt låter sådana personer ta plats i organisationen. Vart är Marxisterna, kommunisterna i V? I Kommunistiska Partiet (K), förmodligen.
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 No.328314

>>328158
battered wife syndrome
t. lär nog också rösta v
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 No.329422

Not a big fan of being on this site, however,

LÖFVEN IS GONE. LET THE CHAOS BEGIN.
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 No.329548

>>329422
>LÖFVEN IS GONE
<Fattar tag om popcorn:en
>Not a big fan of being on this site, however,
Kan du utveckla lite varför du tycker så? Som en svensk som länge använt sajten; jag har märkt att, till skillnad från många andra nationaliteter, så är det väldigt få svenskar här och jag är nyfiken till varför detta är fallet.
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 No.329640

>>329548
Han/Hon kanske inte vill umgås med anglos hela dagarna. ;)
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 No.329756

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>>329640
han/hon får tuffa till sig
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 No.329759

>>328240
>Vart är Marxisterna, kommunisterna i V? I Kommunistiska Partiet (K), förmodligen.
i min erfarenhet finns de i K. jag vet att det finns en del folk i V som läst Kapitalet, men det märks tyvärr inte utåt

>>328314
;_;

>>329640
>*nglos
censurera dina skällsord, mannen
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 No.329771

>>328240
>>329759 (jag)
kan tillägga att jag planerar sprida snoppskottska tankar i K när pandemin är över. för sajber i framtiden!
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 No.329778

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Осааткохан не руотсалаисет тэллэ енглантиа? Воисин ванноа, еттэ се оли енглантикиелинен лаута.
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 No.329819

>>329771
>kan tillägga att jag planerar sprida snoppskottska tankar i K
Baserat! Har planerat att göra detsamma. Vi kanske ses 😳Kommer inte säga vilken stad jag skriver från
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 No.329831

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>>329759
Hur är K egentligen, och vad har hänt med Rättvisepartiet?

Censur?
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 No.329835

>>329640
Vart hänger svenska vänstermänniskor äns online? Är det bara Fa*ebook nuförtiden eller? IG? Reddit?
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 No.329846

>>329835
Ingen aning, jag använder varken FB, reddit eller IG (vad det nu är). Flashback har en del, typ 8 personer som leker Q&A med avskummet som annars hänger där.
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 No.329848

Blir det nyval nu eller? Vem kommer att bilda regering?
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 No.329853

>>329835
jag saknar socialism.nu, det var goda tider.
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 No.329860

>>329846
IG = Insta = Instagram
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 No.330044

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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11991803
A minor bombshell - Halla-aho wont run in the next 'Finns' Party chairman election.

What nao, my Finnish dudes??
>inb4 mikään ei muutu - elektoralismi on vain distraktion ikuisesta vallankumoksesta!
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 No.330066

Never mind, it looks like Löfven wqas replaced by Löfven.

Wut?
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 No.330109

>>330044
Hän näkyy kuin “se tunne kun liian älykäs„-kuva
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 No.330114

>>330044
Riikka Purra will replace him, and the same shit continues. The party didn't need Halla-Aho to rise, and it won't go down with him either, I'm afraid. But I do think this will curtail their popularity somewhat. Halla-Aho had actual popularity among proles.
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 No.330124

>>330066
Swedebros, explain yourselves.
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 No.330173

>>329819
>Har planerat
jag ser vad du gjorde där
är inte aktiv i K, men man vet aldrig vad framtiden bjuder
håll utkik efter anspelningar om "ryskt matrjosjka-forum"

>>329835
ingen jävla aning. tycker jag bara ser cancerskärmdumpar från twitter och FB. en yngre kamrat säger att det är på tiktok det händer. dagens ungdom…

>>330124
käbbel
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 No.331665

>>330066
so nothing changed?
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 No.332610

>>331665
The Center Party and the Left Party are having huge troubles agreeing on a budget at the moment. The sosses are dependent on mandates from both these parties to make a coalition. The Liberals don't want to be with a sosse-center coalition anymore and wanna only team with the Moderates instead. The sosses have 5 days on them to tell if they are going to hold a snap election or resign (talman will try to make a new coalition in that case).

It's looking more likely for a snap election as the sosses can't build a coalition with support of the majority of the parlament.

The smug Center Party could in theory reign alone despite only getting like 8% of the votes.
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 No.332641

>>332610
>The sosses have 5 days on them
top swenglish
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 No.332654

>>332610
>sosses
Whut?
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 No.332665

>>332654
succdems
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 No.333197

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Well the situation with PS is that Halla-aho has unified the party, now he steps down but does not disappear - he will still hold considerable power in the party for a year or two atleast and still sits in the Helsinki city coinsil. It's too early to tell where the party will head now but what is it is not is the 'Finnish Rural Party', those old 'leash thr ctrime-barons' populist elements have now been completely purged and the party is solidly conservative and right wing. Still bonkers, mind you, none of the possible replacenet candidates are sane or stable people in any way.

Other news: the social- and healthcare referom 'SoTe' went through. *party whistles*
So now there are 18 or so social services and health care 'provinces' with elected government. This has been in the making from, 2015 at least. Probably some share of the municipal tax will now be diverted to these 'provinces'. that's still future how that will be handled we'll see but the first election should be in early 2022 - ho hum.

>>332641
This is fine, we have some passive swedish knowledge, but the level of collequalism here goes at above at lest my head :(

>>332610
Thank you.
Are we looking for a moderaterna led goverment in Sweden in 2022 (I doubt not right way though)?
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 No.333366

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 No.333374

>>333197
Well, this shit was about "market rents". There is a claim that most swedes don't want market rents so if Moderaterna (macht frei) and their "omg market rents so good!" - coalition wins the next election we can draw the conclusion that swedes are just as retarded as I think they are. If Ayn Rand Lööf gets anywhere close to ruling anything but her own kid I am srsly defecting to the DPRK.
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 No.333821

>>333366
>Ⓐ
>☭
lysmaskar ligger geranterat bakom detta
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 No.333875

>>333821
Säpo-Kenneth igen.
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 No.333966

>>333875
i mitt sinne är det Lennart Bladh. han dog aldrig, utan blev rekryterad av myndigheterna då han var sanningen på spåret. varje gång något skumt händer så är det inte lysisar utan mantisar som ligger bakom
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 No.334078

>>333966
Ja, varför inte. Det ena är ju lika troligt som det andra.
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 No.335302

>>330114
>Halla-Aho had actual popularity among proles.
True. I assume he'll become like a Heinäluoma (famous old demari) kind of figure within the Finns party. He'll bring his considerable personal votes to the party pot and is able to influence its policy, if all goes well - and he's a kind of guy who likes that sort of thing. Anyway his real problem is his past writings and his way too long membership in Suomen Sisu, a fascist organization. Along with a not entirely ironic cult of personality he has going. All that makes a bit too tough optics for a prime minister, say.

So he steps down now, when it's convenient.
The talk will be all about the budget in august when they will be having that party meeting of theirs.

No worries, Purra's a Sisu-person too.
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 No.335321

>>335302
Yeah, the fascistic stuff isn't just optics either, it's a real deal breaker for many prole voters. I know a guy at work who's got serious Persu sympathies. Worked the same factory job for 20 years, doesn't speak a foreign language and is scared of immigration, but he just can't stand the open racism of the party. I swear to God, if the Left was sble to just listen to guys like him on immigration, and actually do the smallest thing for the workers, Persut would be a non-entity among the proles. Depressing.
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 No.340272

So is the Swedish Social Democrats gonna form a government?
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 No.342083

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vila i frid peps :(
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 No.342689

>>342083
VIF i frid
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 No.344742

jag hoppas alla här inne dagligen lyssnar på zyklon boom/zum beispiel/marre maräng
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 No.345362

Hi, not Scandinavian, just posting to say that I miss Jan Myrdal every day :(
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 No.346066

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>>345362
Yeah, Myrdal was based
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 No.346546

SAATANA PERKELE VIINAA
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 No.346549

Blir det nyval eller?
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 No.346851

>>346549
/kafferep/ med talmannen först, men efter det kanske. om inte C kan tänka sig kohandla med V
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 No.349831

Hur är stämningen i Sverige efter polismordet?
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 No.349843

>>349831
Petite-bourgeois corporatists, liberals and neocons seething
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 No.350160

>>329853
Verkligen. Hängt på leftypol sedan den gick i graven.
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 No.350344

>>349831
"En attack på vårt fria samhälle!!!"
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 No.350377

>>350344
"Samhället måste agera!"
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 No.350869

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>>349831
>Vi måste stå enade mot detta fruktansvärda illdåd!
>Ett hot mot demokratin!
>V-vi använder alla resurser för att hitta mördaren!

en gris mindre, boo fucking hoo
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 No.351389

>>350869
>han sparar tumnaglar
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 No.351480

>>351389
<hon vet inte hur hemsan funkar
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 No.351484

>>211966
hey, Krautfag here, can anyone give me a short rundown of how shit is going up there?
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 No.351487

>>349831
Normala svenskar upprörda, parasiter glada
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 No.351549

>>351484
Sweden is an absolute shitshow. Norway being mountainporkies. Danes are ok i guess? Neoliberal right wing populist coalition taking power soon in Finland.
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 No.351669

>>351549
don't both norway and denmark both have reactionary parties in goberment? also
>Norway
>mountainporkies
>not mountainuyghurs
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 No.351675

>>351669
they are soccdems, soccdems who are willing to sacrifice being pro immigration to stay in rule
if that makes them reactionary is up to you
and swedish soccdems, who are among the other few still relevant "lefty" parties in Europe, are going down the same path unsurprisingly
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 No.351696

>>351675
>and swedish soccdems, who are among the other few still relevant "lefty" parties in Europe, are going down the same path unsurprisingly
fair point
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 No.351762

>>351487
Parasiterna är kapitalisterna. Poliserna är deras skydd.
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 No.351785

>>351762
sverige är ett sånt land som om det inte fanns poliser att slå ner revolutionärer skulle folket bilda miliser att göra det
så de enda polisen skyddar kapitalister mot är desamma de skyddar medelsvennson mot, om du inte anser tjuvar har heder
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 No.351956

>>351675
>they are soccdems, soccdems who are willing to sacrifice being pro immigration to stay in rule
The succs haven't been in power in 8 years, though odds are they'll get back in this fall. At least this time they'll have a decently sized Rødt on their left to call them on their shit policy.
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 No.352458

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Fresh numbers from Dagbladet: http://archive.today/rDp4q
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 No.352489

>>351956
This. Its neoliberal policy to crush the welfare state.
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 No.352492

>>351669
Norwegians fill their mountains with gold. uyghurs fill them with taliban fighters and gay sex.
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 No.352994

>>352458
Why Sp is so popular? Ruralites having false consciousness?
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 No.353030

>>211966
klass mot klass pic: why is all that garbage on the floor
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 No.353325

Finns det någon marxistisk förklaring varför bönderna historiskt sett var friare i vissa länder än andra som tex sverige kontra ryssland?
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 No.353330

>>352994
I think it has something to do with the norwegian countryside still being a viable place to both live and work in, unlike sweden
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 No.353358

>>352994
>>353330
They seem to be taking a lot of votes from KrF, V, H, FrP voters who are dissatisfied with the current government but don't really get why the gov sucks.
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 No.353430

>>352994
Euroscepticism
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 No.353550

Are Norway Parliament proportional? I saw the seat projections and it doesn’t tally with vote %. If it isn’t then how come SV and R don’t make electoral alliance or pacts?
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 No.353612

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Hur löser vi det här?
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 No.353805

>>353550
Semi-proportional, if a party get 4% or more votes, it gets to partake in the deployment of leveling seats, but parties below this only get the initial seats. This is why Rødt currently only has one seat but is projected to get 8 or more.
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 No.354044

>>353612
Socialisera Tobias Hübinettes fastigheter.
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 No.354046

>>351675
I wish Swedish socdems would be like this.
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 No.354058

>>353612
sommarstugor är ett borgerligt påfund
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 No.358074

>laitan Pohjanmaidan langan päälle
>hypään ruotsalaiskielten vastauksia yli
>"Jaaha, ei oo mitään tänään"
>menen takasin mihin tahansa tein aiemmin
Mut ensin nyt uutista Suomelta: Riikka Purra-niminen nainen aio Persen puheenjohtajuudeksi: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12003400
Parhaillaan on varapuheenjohtaja.
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 No.358141

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>>211988
>manipulates the entire swedish political landscape for over 7 years
>btfos rightoids, leftoids and centroids
He's too powerful, I yield
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 No.359412

>>358141
Stefan "Svetsarn" Löfvén
Stefan "Jag är riksdagen" Löfvén
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 No.359424

>>358074
Pohjoismaiden. Jos tämä olisi Pohjanmaiden lanka, täällä puhuttaisiin varmaan vielä enemmän ruotsia.
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 No.359427

>>358074
Ja Riikka Purra on ihan painajaismainen akka. Tatcher 2.0 with juntti charasteristics.
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 No.359475

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 No.360136

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FINBROS
Look at this shit. Apparently by the average wealth per adult, we are closer to Eastern Europe than to Western European countries, certainly much closer to East Yuropoors than Scandis? Now, this info is from Päivän Byrokraatti (I'll link it in the end), but the numbers check out. It doesn't surprise me we are way bellow other Nordics, but it does surprise me we're actually closer to the old Eastern Bloc countries.

1. What are the causes of this (I mean actual causes, not what PB pushes)
2. What conclusions should we draw from this in terms of the conditions of the Finnish proletariat, and our strategy going forward and
3. Should we seced from the Nordic General and take our rightful place among our East Europen comrades?

Here's the PB article, if you can read it without grinding your teeth to dust: https://paivanbyrokraatti.com/2021/07/06/suomi_jaa_jalkeen_lansimaista/?fbclid=IwAR2RL7IC2uPEswEj0IUPtYF4VE4AteSNLu27pG5dbMCCmZKyJf8Wk-Oumrg
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 No.360189

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>>360136
Sweden is so high because they have a lot of billionaires.
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 No.360201

>>360189
Why is Finland so far behind though? Is it particularly aggressive against tax evasion or something?
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 No.360224

>>360201
I don't by that it's simply a difference in billionaires. In 2001 the Swedish and Finnish average was about the same, meaning Finland has fallen behind massively.
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 No.360566

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 No.360569

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 No.360974

>>358141
So what is his new coalition going to be?
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 No.365809

Bump. WHAT HAPPENED??
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 No.365842

>>365809
same goberment as before, except they need to find a new landsbygdsminister (rural minister). or maybe they can re-appoint Jennie Nilsson?
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 No.366230

>>365842
And this whole debacle doesn't end badly atleast some of the parties involved, or do they calculate there's enough time to elections for the voters to forget? Is there though? I read somewhere that the next potential crisis with Löfven's minority cabinet will be with the budget at autumn.

All I can say it's hard to imagine that sort of thing play out here. If this happened here, the V-party would feel it in the next elections and get reminded of it all until eternity. "You want to dissolve the government again, eh?"

Why replace the rural minister specifically?
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 No.366675

>>366230
>Why replace the rural minister specifically?
she resigned in order to regain her seat in parliament so she could take part in the vote
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 No.367696

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Red Party still climbing up in the polls with a record 6%. Is Norway finally getting commiepilled?
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 No.367744

>>367696
I Hope so
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 No.367757

>>367696
Even Ap and SV are rising. That’s a good sign. How many seats they gonna take?
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 No.367873

>>367696
What's happening in Norway to cause this rise for the Red party? And what is the Red party doing right? Vikingbros, 'splain yo' selvez.
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 No.367893

>>367873
Actually I am one of the campaign staffers in the Red Party so I can try to explain.

In short terms it is mostly because the Red Party is very uncompromising, even to the other left wing parties. So people see that they actually do what they are told.

They have also with just one representative done a lot of stuff and people see them as a very clear opposition.

The rise of the Red Party is phenomenal, only rivaling the once right wing populist party The Progressive Party.
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 No.368021

>>367893
Since it isn’t proportional representation, would forming an electoral pact with SV get you more seats? Would R even want to?
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 No.368044

>>211966
Mysig bio. Var någonstans? :-)
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 No.368058

>>368021
The problem is that SV wants go into a coalition with AP (Labour), for Red that is a no-go and therefore making an electoral pact would be unfeasble and that is despite our policies being very much alike.

If I could try to make a comparison, then I would say SV believes in putting socialism through electoral means, while Red does believe in a vague sense a revolution.
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 No.368070

>>368058
A few more questions, based Red Man.

1. What is SV?

2. Also, has there been some happenings in Norway that would cause people to look for alternative?

3. I hear that Red party is still somewhat Communist and has actual backing within actual working class people, like oil and public transit workers. Is this true?
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 No.368218

>>368058
It cant be a short term ' get as much seats' agreement? You two have to sync approach to government too?
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 No.368235

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Kinda off-topic, but Mika is my favorite Scandinavian
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 No.369265

>>368070
Sosialistisk Venstreparti (socialist left party).
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 No.369365

>>367893
>The rise of the Red Party is phenomenal, only rivaling the once right wing populist party The Progressive Party.
Ah, yes! The rise of the populists.
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 No.369544


>>368070
SV is the Socialist Left Party. They are in theory a socialist party, but in practice a social democratic party (in the real post war sense however). They are trying to become this big-tent left wing party, trying to unite environmentalists, agragrians and so on.

2. Covid-19 has made the differences between the rich and the poor much more apparant. With students struggling, healthcare workers and teachers are even forbid to strike and people lining up to get food more then ever. It has made Red much more appealing to the general population. Now that is in the short term.
In the long term I would say it is the natural tendency of a social democratic country to get rid of its welfare programs. As social democracy is built on class peace, meaning that to not provoke class war (with the high union rates and all that) you go with a boiling the frog movement. Focusing on "effeciency" and stating that this is to make the welfare state better and so on so on. It is a bit hard to explain in a written way for me without me going to deep into how Norwegian Capitalism is organized.

3. This is true yes. It has the word communism on its maximum program, although the leadership does not like that word. Probably the best thing with the Red Party is that it promotes ordinary working class members to its parliamentary lists and not apparatchiks, to a large degree of course.

>>369365
It is true that the Red Party is a populistic party, but what seperates it from other populist parties in Norway (of which we have a had a few). Is that it has a steady growth of members and voters. Now does that mean it will not meet the same problem as Podemos, Syriza and Enhedslisten. Sure, but that is why we have a party democracy.
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 No.369568

>>369544
>It is a bit hard to explain in a written way for me without me going to deep into how Norwegian Capitalism is organized.
Please do.
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 No.369966

>>369544
>Now does that mean it will not meet the same problem as Podemos, Syriza and Enhedslisten.
Isn't Enhedslisten like your sister party? What problem does Enhedslisten face?
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 No.370136

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DEUS VOOLTER
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 No.373382

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>>369568
To start with the problem of social democracy and the Norwegian kind more specifically we need to understand how this specific form of capitalism is organized. So Social Democracy predicates on giving the maximal concession to the workers in the economic and some concessions of the political sphere (in terms of increased democracy, increased women’s rights, minority rights, LGBT rights etc.). As the goal is to the end the class war and going to class peace. It is not just capitalism with welfare like social liberalism. As Social Liberalism predicates on not giving concessions to the workers but helping them with the market.
This class peace is institutionalized by accepting workers unions and establishing capitalistic unions, with the state being the moderator. This is called roughly translated Three Parts Cooperative. In Norway, the workers are (mainly) represented by LO, and capitalists are (mainly) represented by NHO, and the State is the political sphere of the capitalists. The goal of the State is to facilitate that the tensions are as low as possible so that the political field is not changed to drastically. This means that the negotiations are rarely by striking or lockout, but rather through consensus facilitated by the State between LO and NHO. Since the profit rate was so high and the economy back then was not nearly globalized as now, the Norwegian capitalists did not see the reason to exploit the workers as hard as their European counterparts. Instead, they traded this for less political radicalism. Now even if NHO tried to do back then something radical, the state would intervene and fight for the workers in order to keep the peace. During the 50’s and 60’s the class peace was so strong that the liberals who wanted to remove social democracy essentially capitulated to the progressive reforms.
The issue of social democracy as we Marxists know that class peace is fundamentally impossible due to the contradiction of labour and capital. Norwegian Social Democracy specifically predicates on oil and a high rate of profit in order to maintain its high rate of welfare in theory. The issue is that rate of profit has sunk, and oil is becoming less and less demanded in the world market, making it much harder to establish a fair consensus and as we know the capitalist’s nature of infinite expansion has to expand somewhere. This led to partial privatization, splitting public companies, cutting of benefits for the poorest of the working class etc. Which has reinvigorated the class war in Norway.
In order to conclude, the main problem of social democracy is not its imperialism (solely), but rather that the system is predicated on an inherent contradiction that seeks to unite labour and capital.
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 No.374895

>>369966
It has done compromises with the Social Democratic leading it to stagnate like Blocco de Esquerra in Portugal.
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 No.374992

>>373382
Good post. We have essentially the same system in Finland.

>Social Democracy predicates on giving the maximal concession to the workers in the economic and some concessions of the political sphere (in terms of increased democracy, increased women’s rights, minority rights, LGBT rights etc.). As the goal is to the end the class war and going to class peace. It is not just capitalism with welfare like social liberalism. As Social Liberalism predicates on not giving concessions to the workers but helping them with the market.

True to a degree, but as we know, the capitalists have firmly been moving towards social liberalism. Inside the past year alone two of the biggest employer organizations in Finnish industrial sector have unilaterally decided to end the system of negotiating nationa contracts with the unions. We'll soon see if they're playing as tough in deeds as in speech.

>In order to conclude, the main problem of social democracy is not its imperialism (solely), but rather that the system is predicated on an inherent contradiction that seeks to unite labour and capital.

> the main problem of social democracy is not its imperialism
This, so much this. The "le imperialism" meme as the go to explanation for Nordic social democracy is a stupid, lazy cop out. Social Democracy was something that, at least in Finland, was created through super intense and militaant class struggle, with Social Democrats pretending to be basically Socialists but more "moderate" and "responsible". Yeah, yeah, I know, SucDems are traitors and they killed Rosa in Krautland etc. etc. but come on. Social Democracy, such as it can be said to have existed as a system distinct from what you call social liberalism, has been disintegrating with ever increasing rapidity as we have become integrated to the imperialist Western economy.

The concessions weren't given by wise and far-seeing capitalists, they were taken by the workers. This needs to be understood by the Communists today.
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 No.375030

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>>374895
Oh really? Enhedslisten looks to be in confidence and supply arrangements at best. Hell they are even polling the highest ever lately. I always thought that european left wing parties usually stagnate after a while because the populace just doesn't want socialism. I doubt that Red will break 10%, at least not at the extreme expense of SV and Ap. Even PVDA-PTB with very similar ideology and approach to government as yours is stagnating at the polls lately. Of course I hope to be proven wrong!

Also I do agree with you about social democracy being a cursed alliance between labour and captial. My country's Rosa-killers betrayed my more radical socialists and communists and build Tripartism and a welfare state that is slowly falling apart in post-USSR neoliberalism
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 No.375585

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>>375030
From my comrades on the left wing of Red, we seem to be inspired more by PVDA-PTB of which I have heard they have reached new heights. On the right wing of Red they seem to be more inspired by Enhedslisten, but if you can show me the polls I would be very interested.
With the Red Party I do really think it will rise to 10-15% in the future. There are no parties that really want to take a firm opposition to the gap between the rich and the poor quite so seriously. We also see in Norwegian politics that parties really get a boost when they break the parliamentary limit of 4%, but I can be wrong of course. Also if you are a Danish Comrade tell me about the situation there.

>>374992
Thank you! I am not the best at writing so I appreciate it. However as I know in Finland the left is really struggling there, just as in Sweden. Is there really any hope for a resurgent left in trying to overcome the social democratic quagmire?
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 No.375590

Greta Thunberg is the least autistic Nordic person.
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 No.376238

>>375585
>Enhedslisten, but if you can show me the polls I would be very interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Danish_general_election

Enhedslisten is reaching 8 to 9% in the polls in 2019, and not at the expense of Socialist People's Party and Social Democrats.

>With the Red Party I do really think it will rise to 10-15% in the future

I hope it does too. It is interesting to see two different socialist parties appealing to different sections of the country.

I am sorry but I am not European, I just want to know more about the Red Party, PVDA-PTB, Enhedslisten to push my local demsucc (think SV and Die Linke tier) party in that direction
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 No.376918

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>>376238
I wish you luck! It aint easy, but it is worth a try
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 No.376962

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Svängde runt Åland senaste veckan, överraskades av vad som verkade att vara en relativt aktiv scen I Mariehamn. Väntade int' nå't sånt från en stad med ca. 11 000 invånare.
Känner nå'n här folk däromkringifrån? Nå't om scenen i stan? Min nyfikenhet vaknade på vägen till Pub Ettan.

Koukkasin Ahvenanmaan kautta viime viikolla ja yllätyin aktiivisen skenen ilmiöistä Maarianhaminassa. En ihan odottanut sellaista noin 11 000 asukkaan kaupungilta.
Tunteeko kukaan täällä ketään tuoltapäin? Jotain paikallisesta skenestä? Uteliaisuuteni heräsi matkalla Pub Ettaniin.

Swung 'round Åland last week, was surprised by what seemed to be a surprisingly active scene in Mariehamn. Didn't expect that from a city with about 11 000 inhabitants.
Does someone here know anyone from thereabout? Something about the local scene? My curiosity was tickled on the way to Pub Ettan.
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 No.377341

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>>373382
So how exactly does Nordic social democracy differ from the Strasserite ideal of class collaboration?
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 No.377350

>>376918
Oh man I wish Moxnes was even a tenth as based as Stalin. Though don't let VG see that picture!
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 No.377562

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>>377341
Economically they are similiar (in theory), in fact when writing the blue book which was the basis of Norwegian Social Democracy post WW2 they (Gerhardsen and co) were very much afraid of being linked to how fascists (Quisling) organized their economy.

However one crucial fact which is missing is the context of these reforms. In the case of fascism more specifically the more revolutionary wave of which Strasserism is insipired by the class collaboration is seen as a way to transcend the conflict by Fascists. However Fascists in practice are oppurturnistic and never implement these reforms truly and end up consolidating with the bourgeiois.

As for Social Democracy this is still in the context of bourgeiois parliamentary democracy and comes from the percieved or real threat of revolution. Therefore if these reforms are not implemented then there is a high chance of the workers actually making a revolution.

>>377350
I have met Moxnes a couple of times and he is pretty interesting. As a leader he has the skills and charisma no doubt, the irony with him though is that he defintively a fan of iron-clad centralism within the party similar to the Bolsheviks in the late 1918-1919s.
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 No.377674

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>>377562
fascism lowered wages of workers and drove privatization to insane levels
social democrats increased wages and put a lot of industry into the public sector
Neoliberalism is closer to fascism than social democracy
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 No.377722

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>>377674
In practice and functionally yes, but Fascism is distinct and something very specific. We should be careful not making Fascism the boogeyman of the Left.
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 No.377856

Medans Hyresgästföreningen bevisade sig själv vara extremt baserad nyligen med deras motsättning mot marknadshyror utan att förespråka något officiellt parti i vår karusell-riksdag - vad av fackföreningarna?
För mig står det mellan LO och SAC pga att de är dom som organiserar på industriprincipen. Men LO, till skillnad från Hyresgästföreningen, är partibundet till Socialdemokraterna och har de senaste åren röstat ja på ett antal olika arbetar-fientliga områden (t.ex. angående strejkrätt, LAS… har även varit korruptionskandaler med att LOs fackpamp tagit pengar från LO bössan och använt för semesterresor…).
Detta har ledt mig in i en knutpunkt som jag har svårt att resonera mig ut ur. "Borde jag som Marxist-Leninist gå med i SAC?" är min fråga till er kamrater, helt enkelt.
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 No.377933

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>>375585
>Thank you! I am not the best at writing so I appreciate it. However as I know in Finland the left is really struggling there, just as in Sweden. Is there really any hope for a resurgent left in trying to overcome the social democratic quagmire?
Right now the situation seems hopeless in the short term. The Social Democratic party is still rather strong and is associated heavily as the Left in the minds of workers. Aside from this we have the Left Alliance (which I'll for now call VL) which is a satanic abomonation of a radlib party. For my entire life they've staid at 8%, give or take 1%, and they seem to be quite happy occupying this position. They're a thoroughly, completely bourgeoisfied "big tent" party for radlibs.

Aside from these, we have two Communist parties. SKP and KTP. Both are miniscule and isolated. KTP is the more "based" in terms of theory, but they have more historical baggage than actual future potential, as I judge it. They're like monks preserving the integrity of ML theory against opportunist revisionism or whatever, but what good is a revolutionary vanguard that's completely cut off from the masses? I was shortly a member of this party, and while I respect them, I don't see a future there. SKP are a bunch of radlibs, even cringier than the VL.

The VL does have some working class base in the construction trades, nurses and rural workers of the North. But the party is led by a Finnish-Swedish rich kid intellectual, and her ilk has completely taken charge. They take their working class support for granted, and don't seem to wonder at all why literally all frustration at SocDems is channeled to the far right rather than left. They're just not interested in truly radical politics, or even basic class politics.

It all seems very bleak. My only position now is to try building working class consciousness from within the union movement, community organizing or something along those lines. Actual proles, even the ones who sympathize the far right, are pretty smart and easilly open to persuasion and solidarity. I think part of the problem is that the history of class struggle in Finland is particularilly bloody and difficult, more so than in other Nordic countries. Workers actually appreciare Social Democracy for this reason, and are ultimately reluctant to take up the arms of class war once again.

I'm still hopeful though. I can't see it right now, but there's something brewing. I also believe that once the class concsious starts taking shape, it will also be all the more militant.

To put it in another way: In some Western countries, especially Burgerland, you can see a willingness and curiosity for some kind of class consciousness, but people don't quite know what it entails and how to get there. In Finland there's an obvious necessity and growing preassure for class consciousness, but people do know what it entails and what it'll take, so they are reluctant and unwilling.

What I find difficult to understand is, why does Norway have so much better (if still not good) situation with the Left. If you were to guess, what would you say is the difference between the conditions of the Left in Norway and Sweden, for example?
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 No.377944

>>377856
>Borde jag som Marxist-Leninist gå med i SAC?
jag misstänker att de inte är superpeppade på att ha ML:ar som medlemmar. men jag tror inte det skadar att ha ett örat åt deras håll åtminstone. jag har lite grejer att ta upp med min lokala SAC-avdelning
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 No.377948

Good editorial about the role of state intelligence agencies, with a predictable tard in the comment. Translate with google.
https://www.nordnorskdebatt.no/myndighetene-er-pa-farlige-veier/o/5-124-133064?
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 No.378215

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>>377933
Interesting. I think it is mainly because the Red Party and the Socialist Left party has made a secret agreement to tone down the idpol from a strategic viewpoint. Also the Red Party focuses a lot of work in grassroot movements and Trade Union movements and it actively tries to get their endorsements. Recently it got an endorsement from an organization that wants to reduce childhood poverty for example.
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 No.378238

>>377948
I got that brochure on my letterbox lol
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 No.379116

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>>378215
> I think it is mainly because the Red Party and the Socialist Left party has made a secret agreement to tone down the idpol from a strategic viewpoint.
Seriously?
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 No.379201

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>>379116
Magnus Marsdal in Manifest Tankesmie (which is a socialist think tank) said so at least in his new book. I mean even Moxnes said "It is a form of racism to believe that Norwegians can not do hard work as immigrants from Eastern Europe do in the fields." and he has been adamant in reducing the amount of worker-immigrants from EU for example.
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 No.379635

>>379201
Holy based.
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 No.380158

Is it a coincidence that Swedish union rates take a huge decline the moment the country joins the EU?
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 No.398528

>>377856
Ja, en stor del av deras grej är att de först och främst är ett fack.
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 No.398639

>>380158
What do you think?
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 No.398659

>>398639
The EU is a paid subscription to neoliberalism, so yes of course.
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 No.398843

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 No.398861

>>377944
>>398528
Tack.
>jag misstänker att de inte är superpeppade på att ha ML:ar som medlemmar
Det är ingen fara gissar jag. Det är enormt att de är ett proletärt, klasskämpande utifrån industriprincipen till att börja med, och att de tydligen också är facket som lyckas strejka mest just nu (de växer även).
Om de visar sig vara överrepresenterat i ideologiska anarkister (vilket jag tvekar på lite) så kan jag bara luta på Marx (vilket onekligen ändå är en hit bland en markant andel) och Hönskatapulten (i vissa områden såsom direkt-demokrati och kommunism utan att nödvändingtvis nämna honom)… De behöver inte veta min positiva syn på Lenin och Stalin, ha disputer över definition av staten, etc… Det är en fackförening, inte ett parti, trots allt. Det handlar huvudsakligen om att få in så många arbetare som möjligt in i denna organisation, i formering av ett kamporgan i deras klassintresse. Om man märker att vissa individer därefter även är lämpade för det kommunistiska partiet så får man väl ge dom en pamflett i privat, hehe.
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 No.400727

>>398861
What does this say… can you use English? Every other Nord here uses English. They have the courtesy to discuss things in a common language, on the thread's given one, and it would be nice if you would include yourself to that topic.
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 No.400993

>>400727
Thanks.
> I suspect that they are not super excited to have MLs as members
There is no danger, I guess. It is enormous that they are a proletarian, class-fighting based on the industrial principle to begin with, and that they are apparently also the union that is succeeding in striking the most right now (they are also growing).
If they turn out to be overrepresented in ideological anarchists (which I doubt a bit) then I can only lean on Marx (which is undeniably still a hit among a significant proportion) and the Chicken Coop (in some areas such as direct democracy and communism without necessarily mention him)… They do not need to know my positive view of Lenin and Stalin, have disputes over the definition of the state, etc… It is a trade union, not a party, after all. It is mainly a matter of getting as many workers as possible into this organization, in forming a fighting body in their class interest. If you notice that some individuals are then also suitable for the Communist Party, you must give them a pamphlet in private, hehe.

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