/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>393662
'Accelerationists' don't advocate anything other than to acknowledge that capitalist contradictions are 'accelerating' at a seemingly exponential rate. The central (some would say bogus) thesis has always been that 'Capital' doesn't need a guiding hand! To insist that so-called 'Accelerationists' advocate anything else (as in, everything you just described) shows a complete ignorance of the debates that occurred on this topic in the previous decade.

>>393678
I'm using accelerationist in the colloquial sense of "deliberately making the contradictions of capitalism." This may be a bastardization of what the word originally meant but it's what most people online understand it to mean and I've not found a better substitute word.
>>393679
A massive terror attack on American soil would likely provoke an imperialist proxy war in the current geopolitical climate.

>>393681
*contradictions of capitalism worse

>>393681
You aren't discussing it in the colloquial sense; you are discussing it in the pejorative sense. It absolutely is a bastardization and shows you aren't actually serious about discussing the topic at hand.

>>393686
Like, it's not 1905; anarchists aren't assassinating kings or bombing parliament buildings anymore. If you want potential arguments against your roundabout call for "Propaganda of the Deed" then just read Lenin's "What is to be Done?"

>>393686
Plenty of people are in favor of exactly the thing I describe and call themselves accelerationist, so I don't see how it's pejorative

>>393689
Well, plenty of people are fucking stupid. It's like a caricature of what other stupid people believe 'Accelerationism' is—which of course I mean in the pejorative sense of the word.

>worsening capitalist conditions = guaranteed class consciousness
gigacope

>>393689
Accelerationism in this completely vulgar sense has literally nothing to do with the specific, philosophical school of thought that emerged out of the 90s centered around certain personalities like Nick Land with influences from Nietzsche, Deleuze & Guattari, etc. As many others in this thread have repeatedly stated, accelerationism is the simple recognition of the ongoing revolutions in the instruments of production under capitalism, independent of individual persons. You're right in your observation that revolutions do happen at the peak of capitalist fissures but not because singular actors can bring about these conditions (a type of voluntarist thinking) but because of the self-motions that Capital went through. Mark Fisher explained it best, "The Hegelian-Marxist motor of history is then transplanted into this pulsional nihilism: the idiotic autonomic Will no longer circulating idiotically on the spot, but upgraded into a drive, and guided by a quasi-teleological artificial intelligence attractor that draws terrestrial history over a series of intensive thresholds that have no eschatological point of consummation." If anything Land has repeatedly denied human agency by being the most virulent philosophical anti-humanist he could be, read Machinic Desire.

Choose some other word for this vulgarity

OP here. I have to admit I have been schooled by the philosophy readers.

Mods please delete thread.

>>393707
Fuck you, don't kill the discussion

>>393710
But there's not a discussion if I was the only person taking the opposing side

The OP is a trivial argument from ignorance fallacy. A position is true because it has not yet been proven false.
The defense files a motion to dismiss.

>>393706
>observe the contradictions of capitalism and our lack of ability to respond to them
There is no possible political program in there. No wonder Land went to the Dork side

>>393605
Then how come Karl Marx himself makes it clear that class struggle furthers contradictions?

Your particular accelerationism is really secular millenarianism (a cataclysmic arrival of a utopian epoch), and not grounded in the history of workers struggle.

>If we austerity workers hard enough they'll do a communism
Literally cargo cult communism.

>>393725
>There is no possible political program in there.
That's literally what I've been trying to tell OP since they started this thread >>393599

>>393739
>If we austerity workers hard enough they'll do a communism
We learned that if you give workers welfare, they definitely won't do a communism. In fact, they will fight it hard.

Most of the opposition to accelerationism comes from residual pacifism, where people overemphasize the aspect of "greatest reduction of harm to greatest amount of people" in communism.

>>393452
If workers are paid more, porky is forced to accelerate tech to increase profit. China industrializing África is accelerationism.
Merely fucking up the relations is not enough. We can live in misery and people will still defend capitalism tooth and nail. See any third world country or the US. The "cuckery" is insane.

Destabilizing American hegemony is acceleration. This makes markets more "free" and accelerates capitalism. Breaking up monopolies and other shit that stifles innovation is also acceleration. Idk, haven't read the thread yet. My opinion might change shortly.

>>393662
>Biden was the clear accelerationist candidate
Could you expand? I think Trump was the clear acc candidate. Less wars. More class consciousness. Exposing the insanity of government and the undemocratic nature of """representative"""" """"democracy""""". Leftist orgs saw a huge rise in numbers.

>>393675
How does making shit worse accelerate anything from a Marxist perspective?
>>393680
>capitalist contradictions are 'accelerating' at a seemingly exponential rate. The central (some would say bogus) thesis has always been that 'Capital' doesn't need a guiding hand!
Could you expand why it's bogus? We are powerless. At best Americans can advocate to end blockades, wars and embargos.
>>393707
>>393707
>Mods please delete thread.
Fuck you. This is why users can't delete threads. This thread is good and no longer yours. We're all learning here, comrade.

>>393706
>The Hegelian-Marxist motor of history is then transplanted into this pulsional nihilism: the idiotic autonomic Will no longer circulating idiotically on the spot, but upgrade
Quote is from here: https://markfisherreblog.tumblr.com/post/32522465887/terminator-vs-avatar-notes-on-accelerationism
Might read it later.

Nice thread. Illuminating.

>>393493
Acceleration in the Land / Fisher sense to (roughly quote) Land is the "Intentional hastening of the process of capitalism turning all objects and relations into commodities"

has any accelerationist ever done anything to actually accelerate shit? or does it exist solely to argue on the internet?

Fun fact: There is not and there has never been a single accelarationist who knows how to repair a car. There is not and there has never been a single accelerationist who can program. There is not and there has never been a single accelerationist who has the knowledge to pass a test in physics or math that 12yo old pupils in France are expected to pass. Literally every accelerationist is a malding anglo/burger drug addict who shat his pants and got a heart attack when radlibs protested for BLM. Every single one. No exceptions. They are literally too stupid to read something like a fucking bar chart. They don't understand it. They are anti-communist NEET retards who fried their brains with drugs (and they didn't have good brains before that either). No exceptions.

If they "reply" to this, it will be just pissing, shitting, and farting. That's a fact. They will not address any of the points made here because they got no argument. They call people anti-intellectual when the very point made is that they are dumb as shit. They have no leg to stand on. Nick Land downloads hot-russian-woman-wants-to-date-you.jpg.exe every day. Fact.

The soviets were originally workers' organizations started by the Mensheviks to circumvent the Czarist ban on unions. They gradually radicalized over the course of WWI, and then in 1917 the power vacuum caused by the abdication of the Czar and the weakness of the Kerensky government and the bourgeoisie allowed them to seize factories and propel the Bolsheviks into power.

"Accelerating the contradictions" is unnecessary, since crisis under capitalism is inevitable. Actual praxis would involve identifying forms of organization that can radicalize and empower members during times of crisis, and identifying crises large enough to weaken the bourgeois order enough to take power. If the latter does not occur, then there is no opportunity for revolution and we'll all end up as liberals, which is the fate of most post-WWII communists.

>>393888
no. 'accelerationism' is picrel

>>393452
Acceleration isn't something you do, it's something that happens. You can't advocate for a Acceleration or social engineer it. All you can do is point out when it's happen.

>>393563 You literally simplified the greatest movements of Left-wing history into ur points. The socialist that lead the revolutions immediately following WW1 were the same ones campaigning against the war . Ur falling into the same arguments we had a century ago you can not condemn millions of ppl to death as a win for labour

>>393452
Refute this

>>393774
This is actually a pretty decent understanding of the concept.
>>393888
You can always work to try to improve production processes, introduce new methods of production, and attack those who would try to exploit their positions of power to stagnantly leech off of society and instead drive things towards innovation and development.

>>394360
It's a pure strawman that is believed by some number of retards circa 2016

"Accelerationists" can't even agree on what constitutes progress and how to measure when and how much progress has been made. Your U/ACC daddy turned into a sinoboo because capitalism is way too strong and simply refuses to die from its own contradictions.

Also accelerationism was already becoming lame and filled with retards in 2014, /leftypol/ and twitter were just the last nails in the coffin. I bet OP likes Zizek.

Some people have been claiming that Biden is better acceleration than Trump. We see now, like with Obama that he's getting away with more warcrimes, while nobody seems to give a shit, unlike when a Republicunt is in power.
Liberals are worse than fascists. They can stop any movements so effectively, it's scary.

>>396602
On this particular subject, it doesn't seem like anyone gave a shit about Trump's war crimes while he was in office either. Remember all the media hubbub about his illegal air strikes in Syria or the assassination of those Iranian and Iraqi generals? Me neither.

>>396610
I'm not talking about bourgeois media, I'm talking about the people. There had been a big anti-war movement until Obama somehow made it fizzle out, while warmongering harder than Bush.

>>396626
No one but the regular anti-war groups (which did criticize Obama) actually paid attention to Trump's war crimes.

>>393786
>Could you expand why it's bogus? We are powerless. At best Americans can advocate to end blockades, wars and embargos.
It's just an attempt to give capitalists' (and their vulgar economists') fixations on the 'invisible hand' of the market a more 'inhuman' , 'alien' or 'foreign' (hint: non-white) character. If the British and American masses had the political will to end blockades, wars and embargos then we wouldn't have spent the past decade arguing over the apparently 'mystical' or 'occult' (self-)reproduction of capital. It's all predicated on the assumption that history is no longer in our hands, as if it's reaching an unintended apotheosis and we've just been swept away by the tide. There's a very interesting nihilism to it that, as unfortunately made evident by those who still identify as 'Accelerationists' after the Post-CCRU / Urbanomic / #CaveTwitter milieu's heyday from 2014-2017, gives way to a kind of fatalism rooted in nothing more than smug pretension. "Biden is Accelerationist! […] Trump is Accelerationist!"—who gives a fuck? Anything can be retroactively attributed to 'Acceleration'—which obviously isn't conducive to a coherent praxis. In fact, as I already said earlier, it's explicitly anti-praxis. It shouldn't come as a surprise the most interesting people that used to be associated with that milieu have more or less become Marxist-Leninists now. They took what Nick Land said to heart: "Neo-China arrives from the future."

>>393452
>Historically, every major incident of working class uprising followed or occurred in tandem with a major capitalist crisis
You think contradictions of capitalism arising from unperturbed inadvertent preconditions and natural cycles is the same thing as some idiots trying to bring about something superficially appearing to be a contradiction of capitalism through accelerationist means?

>Acceleration is when things are bad
do not read facebook memes or nick land

read Marx's fragment on machines and Deleuze

>>393904
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>>397922
Are you having a stroke?

>>I've never actually heard a solid, real argument against accelerationism.
2020 is your argument. Remember over a year ago we had lockdowns, stock market crashes and George Floyd protests. This board was celebrating it as the end times for capitalism. There was a sense of optimism that things would change for the better and a revolutionary moment might come. It was thought that capitalism could not make it out of this mess.

But it did. It built back better. Accelerationism didn't work in 2020.

Do the crack artificial intelligence spiels again.

Rock on junkie.

Amphetamines get to.

>>393881
landian accelerationism has nothing to do with whatever bs op is talking abt

>>395490
so become a capitalist?

accelerationism is idealist and infantile because it assumes there is a concrete amount of capitalist development that will inevitably led to a revolution all while ignoring the organization of the proletariat and how it can be affected by the same developments that in the mind of the accelerationists are supossed to cause the end of capital anyways OP is not even talking about accelerationism since "accelerating the contradictions of capitalism" is literally what all communist movements have done and is inherent to their nature to be "accelerating" elements since revolution is not even possible without them