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 No.403266

Thank you kenyans for spending decades fighting off islamic terrorism in somalia, sending foreign aid and importing refugees from somalia and afghanistan for years so that Somalia's cities are now coherently stable enough for foreign investment to become profitable all while simultaneously being a developing country that has only recently had a sewage system. I dont know how you guys did it but thanks
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 No.403276

Why do socialists get so excited over these lost cause nations like Somalia? Or Sudan. Or Ethiopia. Or Libya. I don't get it.
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 No.403279

>>403276
Because western intervention has a tendency to fail, it's not always bad but there has been multiple recorded instances of western intervention failing to prevent mass outbreaks of violence simply because foreign politicians have a tendency to know less about what goes on in the outside world or they simply kill anyone with impunity unknowingly making more enemies in the process. Or at least that's how I feel
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 No.403289

>>403279
>Because western intervention has a tendency to fail,
Nearly 100% they fail. That's why they're lost causes. The USA and Europe took in millions of Somalias beginning around 30 years ago. They're as dumb here as they are in Somalia. Like even with the best conditions they show no change..
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 No.403290

>>403276
why do Nazoids presuppose that nations they don't like come into being spontaneously and without conflict? Sub-Saharan Africa has entered the post-colonial phase and it's obviously going to be an era of sweeping change, with some nations benefitting and others losing. isn't this what fascists fantasize about, an anarchic state of affairs where the strong supposedly thrive and the weak will be culled or subjugated? heroes and villains are born every day in Africa, and nobody can say for sure how it will turn out.

you ffashoids want Africa to fail because the success of even countries like Rwanda means you have been wrong all along about humanity, that success and failure are not deterministic and most definitely not predicated on genetics or how based a 17 year old American thinks something is.
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 No.403311

>>403290
It's the largest continent in the world, and we're literally going to blame colonization for its problems?
The majority of Africa wasn't colonized, and the parts that were are richer today than the ones that weren't. Nigeria for example.
There's also the issue of nations like Rhodesia and now South Africa, which you imbeciles don't talk about anymore, because they prove that your ideas about liberation creating upward process is a larp for some people. And even in it's completely chaotic, dysfunctional state, Africans from other nations arrive as immigrants to South Africa every year, to be closer to an economy that produces something.
Maybe China has the right idea, and the UN should just let them colonize Africa. No one seems to mind as long as they don't look like 'colonizers'.
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 No.403313

>>403311
>It's the largest continent in the world, and we're literally going to blame colonization for its problems?

Yes, because colonialism is the cause of most of those problems.

retard
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 No.403315

>>403311
>Maybe China has the right idea, and the UN should just let them colonize Africa
So long as they don't persecute locals like what wypipo do back in the day.
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 No.403319

>>403311
Another day another nazi confirms why their kind is hated everywhere. I could disprove everything in your post but you would just go back to fending off your own beliefs due to cognitive dissonance
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 No.403320

>>403311
Yeah. What did the french do to develop africa? What did the brits do to develop countries they certify gekoloniseerd? South Africa ended as an apartheid shithole…
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 No.403329

>>403311
Snowniqqas were immigrating to Ancient Rome, should we just write off Scandinavia forever? Oh wait. The fact is that sub-Saharan Africa has never been given a chance to adapt outside civilization to its environment, let alone communism or socialism. The bitter-ender holdouts in Rhodesia and South Africa are actually proof that you can never expect civilization to be successfully imposed, but only adopted as a conscious decision by indigenous peoples. This is the lesson of modern East Asia and one that the rest of the non-Western world has taken notice of, even moreso lately because of China.
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 No.403330

<dear god this atrocious post screams I'm an american
>>403311
>The majority of Africa wasn't colonized
They literally invaded every single african country
>the parts that were are richer today than the ones that weren't. Nigeria for example.
Nigeria is currently suffering from an economic crisis fueled by the 2014 oil crash, most of the development that has happened in the country has happened since 2005 because nothing that would've benefited africans got built
>There's also the issue of nations like Rhodesia and now South Africa, which you imbeciles don't talk about anymore, because they prove that your ideas about liberation creating upward process is a larp for some people
You should read this >>403132
>And even in it's completely chaotic, dysfunctional state, Africans from other nations arrive as immigrants to South Africa every year
They actually move to other southern african countries like Botswana and Namibia because theres no jobs in south africa due to outsourcing
>Maybe China has the right idea, and the UN should just let them colonize Africa.
How the fuck are foreign loans a form of investment?
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 No.403332

>>403313
It can't be proven one way or another. What can be proven is other colonized areas like China are flourishing with economic development and growth. Let's remind ourselves that China was still receiving food aid into the 1980s, and cash aid into the 2000s.
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 No.403340

>>403332
China struggled for decades on end against colonial powers and eventually was able to kick them all out in 1949. In 1979, the Westerners were invited back, but this time it was on the CPC's terms. What a difference it makes when the process of industrialization is led by and for a country's people. This scenario is impossible under any kind of rightoid ideology, so your ilk will continually fail to bring humanity progress outside of a select few which ironically causes the leftists you're arguing with here to manifest as we realize that all you do is spew bullshit to justify the status quo which cannot last.
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 No.403341

>>403330
>chinese investments = foreign loans
How come? Isn't that China's intent was to develop Africa? Or at least that's what they say on state media?
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 No.403348

>>403341
Chinas intent is to build trade and political allies the nazi(and potential american) in this thread sees it as a form of colonialism. Sorry I made a typo
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 No.403351

>>403348
Oh, it's okay.
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 No.403352

>>403332
>It can't be proven one way or another
It totally has been you fucking moron
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 No.403354

>>403330
>They literally invaded every single african country
Moving the goal posts
>Nigeria is currently suffering from an economic crisis fueled by the 2014 oil crash, most of the development that has happened in the country has happened since 2005 because nothing that would've benefited africans got built
I didn't say Nigeria was a first world country, I merely stated it's better off than most countries in the African continent.
>They actually move to other southern african countries like Botswana and Namibia because theres no jobs in south africa due to outsourcing
"An estimated 2.9 million migrants resided in South Africa at mid-year 2020 (ibid.), the most industrialized economy in the region and a particularly attractive destination for those in search of education and better opportunities."


https://migrationdataportal.org/regional-data-overview/southern-africa#recent-trends

>How the fuck are foreign loans a form of investment?

This isn't what was argued. If you think the Communist Chinese are even capable of using petty bouj debt instruments in impoverished countries for gain, then you must not understand how communism works.
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 No.403355

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>>403311
>The majority of Africa wasn't colonized, and the parts that were are richer today than the ones that weren't. Nigeria for example.
What? C'mon dude, we're not even going to talk to you if you can't look up basic stuff. You sound like a flat earth person or something.

>There's also the issue of nations like Rhodesia and now South Africa, which you imbeciles don't talk about anymore, because they prove that your ideas about liberation creating upward process is a larp for some people.

We're the imbeciles? You're one to talk.

>>403332
>It can't be proven one way or another. What can be proven is other colonized areas like China are flourishing with economic development and growth. Let's remind ourselves that China was still receiving food aid into the 1980s, and cash aid into the 2000s.
China is led by a communist party which controls the state and that party came to power by force of arms. It wasn't a peaceful process. But sometimes it was just words, like how the PRC owned the Bank of China building in downtown Hong Kong during the 60s when Hong Kong was still controlled by the British, so the PRC covered the outside of the building with slogans like "Stew the White-Skinned Pig" and "Down With British Imperialism" while bloody street fights were breaking out.
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 No.403357

>>403355
>1627316596983-2
Based
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 No.403361

>>403354
>moving the goal posts
>This isn't what was argued. If you think the Communist Chinese are even capable of using petty bouj debt instruments in impoverished countries for gain, then you must not understand how communism works.
>"An estimated 2.9 million migrants resided in South Africa at mid-year 2020 (ibid.), the most industrialized economy in the region and a particularly attractive destination for those in search of education and better opportunities."
<he doesnt realize how many migrants are actually from asia
Holy fuck I should've listened to >>403319
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 No.403363

>>403354
>This isn't what was argued
Actually MSM's keep screaming that Chinese investments are debt trap or buyer beware. In fact China does develop them and asked for land to be leased for 99 years, but that leased land would end up being the HQ for their operations as well as the higher-class centers on those areas.
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 No.403364

>>403352
Why, because you say so? The world doesn't work like that.
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 No.403367

>>403361
Asians know a good thing when they see it. The Boer and the Maoist have created thriving partnership built upon mutual cooperation in S Africa.
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 No.403372

>>403367
>south africa
>any form of ethnic peace
Holy fuck your going to get banned pretty soon either for /pol/faggotry or derailing threads my christ
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 No.403374

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>>403367
>Boers be like:
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 No.403377

>>403372
I'm a socialist.. They can't ban me.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.403379

>>403367
Srsly the apartheid regime is strictly anticom
>maoist-boer unity
Give me sources or f*** off.
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 No.403381

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>>403377
No faggot you get banned on this site if you infest it with autistic polbait derailing threads using bots or simply because mods dont like you. You can get banned for plenty of reasons even if your not a leftist this site isnt stormfront
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 No.403382

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>>403276
>Why do socialists get so excited over these lost cause nations like Somalia? Or Sudan. Or Ethiopia. Or Libya. I don't get it.
Really, socialism as a movement is not a movement for rich people. In a general sense. There can be individuals who become class traitors, just like white people who can become race traitors, but the communist base is in the ghetto more than gated suburbs like in America, and rich countries in the world are like the gated suburbs of the world, as most of the population of the world lives in the Global South which is full of massive slums.

Which is what Europe might've looked like if they didn't engage in colonization, especially in the Americas, which allowed to deport millions of immigrants just like your great grandparents or whatever if you're a white guy in the United States or Canada. But otherwise this is what Milan would've looked like today, or there would be serious problems with slums (more than there already are anyways). Once you industrialize, you have a surplus population, and in Europe's case, something like 17% of their population left mostly for the Americas between 1850-1920. If you look at it relative terms today, that would be like 800 million people leaving Africa and India and South America for the U.S. and Europe.

Europe's population would double immediately. Imagine 400 million Africans and Indians moving to Europe and helping them take off the population pressures. That would be a fair trade. But that's where the real movement in the world, that's where most of the proles are, and that's where revolutions are likely to occur (and have occurred). It's probably not in Europe. The Russian Revolution in 1917 had far more relevance out there than it did in the rich countries other than being perceived as a threat.
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 No.403397

>>403377
Sorry bud, by 1945 most identified socialists were of the Marxist or at least Marxian type. Hitler's socialism was always a rightoid psyop, they even admitted it when lots of NSDAP members would scold communists and socialists for keeping supposedly anachronistic ideas of class struggle. "The classes are united against the Jewish and Bolshevik menace, don't you understand? Class collaboration is real socialism!"
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 No.403404

>>403377
>I'm a socialist
<nazi flag
Nazis aren't true socialists, I'll tell you what. They're the more radical forms of fascism and as you've noticed in world history before Hitler killed jews, gays, every single nonwhite.
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 No.403447

While were on kenya how has the effort to industrialize gone on in Somalia as Kenyans take over more and more urbanized territory

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