How is Socialism supposed to be fair?

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:49:16 No.403991

Why do I give a fuck about people getting caviar? Will people’s quality of life become worse without it? What does fairness have to do with socialism anyways?

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:50:20 No.403994

>>403991
So you admit socialism as a concept completely falls apart when it comes to any sort of luxury goods. So why would people want a system that drastically reduces quality of life and happiness?

More like politburo members, generals, distinguished propaganda artists get caviar. Lenin owned 9 rolls Royces.

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:53:22 No.404004

>muh caviar
Add this to the vuvuzela no iphone, please!

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:54:41 No.404005

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:54:46 No.404006

>>403994
>Socialism is about who gets luxury goods
Do I need caviar in my life? I certainly need food, shelter, healthcare, all that shit, but caviar?

Suburban dipshit hands typed OP’s post.

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:55:03 No.404007

>let's imagine a hypothetical, let's say that you CAN'T distribute caviar fairly, how, in this scenario, would socialists go about distributing caviar fairly?
socialism btfo, ben shapiro wins once again, I kneel

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:56:34 No.404010

>>403994
pretty sure if you let capitalism go unchecked, there won't be caviar anymore. ergo you have to rely on socialism to provide caviar. there might be less of it, but at least you'll have the chance to savor some. the concept is called "delayed gratification" because capitalism now equates to civilizational suicide.

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:58:13 No.404015

>>403988
>it's a food product with a limited amount of production.
Good way for you to say unnecessary garbage dude. Like the Soviet Union did with cars, just sign up on a list and wait for your turn. That’s not even talking about commodities that are only limited because of capitalist artificial shortages and brainwashing as campaigns.

Take your own example in caviars. Most reasonably moderate climates can have farms for harvesting them, but the fries are limited because of capitalist exclusivity. Then the canning is made “by hand”™️ even any simple canning machine can put salt in egg rows easily. It have the same amount of limitations as garbage like diamonds or the bricks with brands on them.

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:58:39 No.404016

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>>403988
It won't, Socialism is a supremacist system, it's the supremacy of workers. Nothing in society (goods, services, buildings) can exist without the labor needed to create it, it's completely natural that the providers of society's most important common denominator also be the one's to guide society. On a side note, your qualm about the distribution of Caviar also assumes that Socialism is merely or totally some kind of eternal distribution of stuff, which is generally wrong. Socialism does involved distribution typically, particularly the distribution of certain kinds of property, but in the case of the USSR: production occurred, goods were distributed to stores and later purchased with Soviet currency by workers, your hypothetical assumes Socialism wants to constantly distribute all goods all the time, which is wrong.

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:59:07 No.404017

>>404010 (me)
>Delayed gratification, or deferred gratification, is the resistance to the temptation of an immediate pleasure in the hope of obtaining a valuable and long-lasting reward in the long-term. In other words, delayed gratification describes the process that the subject undergoes when the subject resists the temptation of an immediate reward in preference for a later reward.
<A growing body of literature has linked the ability to delay gratification to a host of other positive outcomes, including academic success, physical health, psychological health, and social competence.
Capitalism = instant gratification and the literal retardation or extermination of human civilization
Socialism = delayed gratification and the progression of civilization

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Anonymous 2021-07-26 (Mon) 23:59:59 No.404019

>>403994
This is your brain on consumerism
>bruh, letting billions suffer is ok as long as i have caviar lmao

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:01:17 No.404020

> More like politburo members, generals, distinguished propaganda artists get caviar. Lenin owned 9 rolls Royces
And? Are there any real barriers of entry to being all the above? Most if not all of the soviet heads of government and probably many top party officials grew up is dirt poor peasants. If Caviar and other perks incentivize people to work hard and get those positions, I don’t see a contradiction. But a society that says “if you don’t make enough money you deserve to be locked out of the things needed to live” is one on the precipice of its own self-destruction.

And if we can make enough caviar so that it’s available to everyone, then I don’t see why you can’t ration it out to people through economic planning.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:01:17 No.404021

MARX FAILED TO CONSIDER CAVIAR, IT'S OVER

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:03:17 No.404024

>>403988
The red dragon got you fam
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-caviar-prices-kaluga-queen-2020-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/04/22/after-china-turned-it-into-cheap-snack-americans-hope-make-caviar-great-again/

>After China turned it into a cheap snack, caviar is at risk of losing its status as a luxury good

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:03:49 No.404026

Damn there was this post on 4chan about some burger that was totally ok with having money to buy a gaming PC and not having enough money to buy a house.

I should have saved it because it would have been a totally on point reply to OP's retardation.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:04:39 No.404027

>>403988
Just massbreed sturgeons and harvest 95% of their eggs. You can then put caviar in communal kitchens.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:05:11 No.404029

>>404024
>China turns caviar into a cheap delicacy
BASED

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:05:43 No.404032

>B8R flees after one reply
Show’s over, everyone, nothing to see here anymore.

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Sage!61KGLATVW. 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:06:49 No.404034

I'm going to take you caviar and then I'm going to make you work in a camp

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:09:08 No.404036

>>404016
>>404015
Noted.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:21:11 No.404052

I hope a brick goes through the window of the restaurant while you're sitting there eating caviar.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:21:56 No.404053

>>403988
Obvious troll post but whatever.
Caviar is a luxury. If caviar is your main concern instead of society decaying into a dystopian hellscape of poverty, crime, homelessness, addiction illness and want, while on the other side there are a few who become fabulously wealthy directly off this degradation, then you're part of the problem.

To answer your question, however. The producers of caviar would see fit as to how it is distributed . You are still able to produce and sell consumer goods under socialism. It is heavy industry and critical infrastructure and the necessities of life rather than inessential retail items that are socialized.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:22:55 No.404055

Extravagant consumption is promulgulated to continue capital accumulation among luxury industries not out of primordial yearning.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:23:02 No.404056

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>>404029

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:24:12 No.404059

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The caviar has cost you your strength. Luxury has defeated you! Now we shall return control of this city to the people. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure!

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:24:54 No.404062

>>404056
lmao

Caviar for all

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:26:25 No.404065

>>404056
I might be critical of China but the PRC makes the West seethe in a way that the USSR never could. They certainly have their based moments.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:27:02 No.404067

>>404053
IKR! Especially when his image is an American stamp with the stars-and-stripes and Liberty FOREVER. Probably a rural burger.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:28:35 No.404069

>>404056
Usual neolib media seething. I used to read their articles. They are insanely critical towards China. WaPo, AP, Reuters, AFP, latimes, ForeignPolicy…

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:29:26 No.404071

>>404056
NOOOOOO YOU'RE CURING CANCER FASTER AND CHEAPER THAN THE US! STOP IT IMMEDIATELY! STOP IT YOU COMMIE DICTATORSHIP!

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:29:54 No.404072

<hurr how can socialism be rational and fair?
>doesn't define "rational"
>doesn't define "fair"

hurr

Why can't caviar just be harvested as it's produced, preserved as its collected, and then distributed to everyone in 8oz cans or whatever the fuck caviar is stored in when there's a can for everyone

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:33:31 No.404079

>>403988
>So you admit socialism as a concept completely falls apart when it comes to any sort of luxury goods
no. Just use waiting list, or overprice them in labor voucher to compensate for scarcity, or use sortition. There are tons of "fair" solutions

>>403994
>drastically reduces quality of life and happiness
even if we completely removed luxury goods like caviar, most people quality of life would still go up. you dont seem to understand how obscene the rich are, and how much they waste

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:33:34 No.404080

>>404056
MORE BASED!

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:36:49 No.404087

>>403994
>politburo members, generals, distinguished propaganda artists get caviar
caviar is produced in russia and is pretty cheap there
>Lenin owned 9 rolls Royces
nope, the soviet state did.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:37:59 No.404092

>>403994
Until China mass produced caviar, it could only be obtained by themselves due to its rarity and the high prices associated with it.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:42:19 No.404102

>under socialism, who gets caviar?

Nobody because it'll be banned and thrown back into the ocean along with those who want it.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:44:32 No.404106

>>404102
That would be even better. But what's wrong with eating sturgeon eggs? They're just eggs, right? And Russia has lots of sturgeons.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:45:48 No.404111

>>403988
Caviar has limited production because of it's intended selling price, not because of complexity or costs involved in production.
Take a look at >>404024 and >>404056, it's basically fucking fish eggs.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:47:26 No.404115

>>404111
You knew it right? Why overprice fish eggs when you can just massproduce that $hit?

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:50:06 No.404121

>>404106

I was just memeing, nothing wrong with it as long as it's sustainable.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:53:57 No.404129

Ok I get it

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 00:58:16 No.404133

>>404056
>the economist
Good to see Lenin clowning on these fools still held legitimacy more than 100 years later.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 01:01:42 No.404138

>>404133
Usual neolib media. They've got strong brainwashing powers you know.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 01:03:29 No.404139

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>>404019
It's not even the most narcissistic shit OP could've posted.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 01:08:07 No.404140

>>404139
These people will be shot on national TV when the revolution comes.

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Captain Soybeard 2021-07-27 (Tue) 02:28:08 No.404210

>>403988
its not, I don't care, if Xi pays me to outline the Antarctic then it will be fair for me

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 12:22:48 No.404761

>>404015
Based

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 15:44:51 No.405043

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>>403988
Socialists make caviar cheap and affordable to everyone while western caviar eaters screech at them, both USSR and China, for making caviar non-elite food. Funny how it works - while under communism, caviar was in every shop, and everybody preferred fish meat, but now, under capitalism, russians just don't consume caviar almost ever, it's all artificial caviar because there's proletarian culture rituals centered around caviar, but proles can't afford real caviar.

Regarding other points: simply removing capitalists and other parasites from the equation vastly improves distribution of goods in an economy. Not letting financial retards like bitcoin miners or cryptofags to even exist will improve the economy significantly.