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 No.402740

I know this is supposed to be non-sectarian, but I have noticed a serious problem with this board that is either going to eat it up and doom it to irrelevancy or at least be acknowledged and worked on. There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible by engaging in behavior like saying anyone to the left of stalin is just an idealist, or going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist.

I will preface this by saying I've met many principled ML's here who have very solid principles and criticisms of modern politics, but it seems all too common that they're willing to deny that these edgy and terminally online faux socialists are polluting this place with their dogmatism. This is especially manifested by the constant hatred thrown at groups like anarchists and leftcoms who are supposedly included in left unity, but even in the most basic threads outside of USSR or China worship, these people are constantly shat all over as not real leftists.
I don't want this board to become an ideological hugbox, and I enjoy the discourse between different leftist groups, but the fact that obviously mentally ill people dominate the board and get free reign to shit on people that should be considered comrades under the guise of non-sectarianism is seriously killing this place.

This is coming from the bottom of my heart, I really want to see leftypol be something better, but it's really disillusioning when you're relentlessly shat on and called a radlib or anarkiddie for criticizing anything about the hivemind of this board.

tl;dr anarchists and leftcoms are comrades too, and it's really hard to agree with left unity when they're constantly shat on
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 No.402761

pls
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 No.402764

Red Terror in 4k
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 No.402766

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>>402740
>like saying anyone to the left of stalin

There is no "left of Stalin".

>>402764
Pic related
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 No.402789

>>402766
Do you consider anarchists and leftcoms part of the left?
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 No.402795

>>402789
Yes.
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 No.402799

>>402795
Then you're a minority of the people here
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 No.402812

>>402740
>complains about being shat on
>proceeds to shit on other people

why be like that ?
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 No.402815

>>402799
citation needed!
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 No.402818

>>402789
Depends on their political line.

There are self identifying leftcoms & anarchists who are comrades and self describing "tankies" and "mls" who are enemies, and vice versa.

I don't want to sound like some faggot who says "don't label people!" but political labels are becoming increasingly confusing in the age of darkest reaction schizophrenic fever dream timeline.

As to whether I consider them "left", I don't consider myself or any serious socialists "left" as "left-wing" is a totally meaningless term that exists more to obfuscate and bog down discussions than to explain/predict. Calling this website "lefty pol" was a huge mistake and serious socialists should make an effort to part with the absolutely meaningless deadweight term along with the entire idea of a political spectrum defined by liberal ideology and bourgeois political sensibilities.
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 No.402822

>>402818
>As to whether I consider them "left", I don't consider myself or any serious socialists "left" as "left-wing" is a totally meaningless term that exists more to obfuscate and bog down discussions than to explain/predict. Calling this website "lefty pol" was a huge mistake and serious socialists should make an effort to part with the absolutely meaningless deadweight term along with the entire idea of a political spectrum defined by liberal ideology and bourgeois political sensibilities.
This. "Left" is a spook, but I believe in socialist unity.
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 No.402829

I can't care enough to go over this all, but as for Shitting on anarchists, both historically in socialist movements and on this board, anarchists have often been shit-stirrers, who eithere aree ignorant and push political ideas that are just radliberalism with a coat of black paint or are intentionally being disingenuous to provoke anti-anarchist rhetoric, Every time people tried to discuss Spain threads would get spammed with "muh Orwell" and "muh USSR betrayal" bullshit which has the nuance of a 10cent paperback.

I have discussed with several well read and civilized anarchists /leftypol/ but they have tended to be a statistical minority in comparison to the sheer autism I see from most self-identified anarchists. Moreover many "anarchist" sub-ideologies like Egoism are literal meme ideologies that on a fundamental level go against socialist and leftist ideas. The same kind of crap exists in ML circles like Trotskyists, so this isn't just bashing of anarchism.

TL;DR: They started shit and don't self-moderate, and provoke a response.
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 No.402830

>>402818
Too many people here are very quick to label anarchists as doodoo baby liberals that need to be put up against a wall and shot. Call yourself an exception, but it happens constantly.
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 No.402854

>>402830
>Too many people here are very quick to label anarchists as doodoo baby liberals that need to be put up against a wall and shot.

As often as that happens self-identifying Anarchists will call tankies red fascists, call for us to be killed similarly or advocate working with FBI & others against "us". People on "our" side of the fence are just as convinced that the Anarchists are the shit starters as much as you are convinced that "our side" is.

At this point I don't really care. I run into as many dipshit ratfucker "tankies" as I do "anarchists" and I don't have the time to spaz out about that shit.
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 No.402861

>>402830
I personally don't do that, but you can't deny the influence liberalism has had on anarchism
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 No.402868

IMO anarchists have a poor track record of actually defending the left and seem to be more interested in keeping their lib friends than to actually push back against any of the bullshit they say about socialism at all. The idealisticness isn't really even that much of an issue to me, it's not bad to dream but anarchists often times will throw tankies under the bus.
As for why leftypol converted? Well I just think that anarchism is just losing it's appeal to people.
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 No.402874

Constantly bashing other tendencies is a staple of /leftypol/ culture and I refuse to pretend that it's somehow a bad thing.

It only becomes a problem when admins de facto ban certain tendencies, like the original BO to anarchists back in the day. I criticize anarchists as much as anyone, but if the mods tried to ban them from posting I sure as hell wouldn't let that happen without a fight. That, to me, is the extent to which this is a "non-sectarian" board and I'm fine with that. People here go after Trots as hard as (if not harder) than they go after anarchists and I've never had a problem with it because that's part of the culture of debate and exchange of ideas.

tl;dr stop crying. If you think China is fascist or whatever retarded thing you think, then just have the backbone to voice that view and know you're gonna get shit on over it.
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 No.402883

>>402740
Yeah I felt the same way without having a way to really articulate it, and there are some other problems, but this was really alienating and as long as it keeps up there's really no contingent of the left which I can fit into anymore and I'll probably end up politically disengaging
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 No.402890

>>402883
If you feel like you need to "politically disengage" because people disagree with you, you're not gonna last as a communist.

Being a communist is constantly having the vast majority of people disagree with you all the time and having to try to convince them otherwise. How do you think you're gonna organize your boomer "Bill Gates is using 5G to turn my kids gay" coworkers if you can't even handle being criticized by people who mostly share the same views as you?
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 No.402893

>>402890
It's not that "people disagree with me". I've always been fine with that. The problem now is that I literally do not share a majority of opinions, or further, it seems, a majority of vision for the future with any particular group of people on the left with any sort of noteworthy representation. If I can't even organize with these people without them sperging out about XYZ to the point they don't even want to be a team then you can't blame me for this bullshit. You're not gonna pin that on me.
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 No.402894

>>402893
Are you basing this off your online interactions? I don't think IRL orgs have nearly that level of infighting, and if they do, they're cancer and you're better off without them anyway.

Shitposting on /leftypol/ is one thing. This is a place for like-minded people to let off steam and call each other retards over minor theoretical disputes. But if this is carrying over into your real-world interactions with socialists, it's time to find better comrades.
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 No.402896

>>402894
This kind of thing inevitably leaks into the real world and to ignore that is just pure cope, basically, I see where this train is heading.
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 No.402900

Because the board is full of /pol/yps that got bored LARPing as nazis and decided to LARP as tankies instead.
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 No.402901

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>>402740
>There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible
you literally described half the internet, doesn't help when the primary userbase are a bunch of discord teenage gamers who happened to get into politics
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 No.402906

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See this post >>402900 is a perfect example of the kind of radlib baiting that provokes such dislike of anarchists and non-MLs, because no self-respecting socialist thinks a stupid, dead /pol/ meme from 2015 is legitimate 5 years later.
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 No.402909

>>402906
>nooo tankie is just a dead /pol/ meme
>picrel, a dead /pol/ meme I had saved lol
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 No.402910

>>402909
I want to hear your definition of tankie
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 No.402911

>>402906
He's not wrong. And when was tankie *ever* a /pol/ meme? There are self described tankies here who constantly shit up the board larping as stalinist commissars who want to put everyone they don't like against a wall and think socialism is when the government controlls everything.
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 No.402912

>>402740
Kys
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 No.402913

>>402910
I want to hear you lick my balls
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 No.402915

>>402913
Don't call people tankies if you don't know what the word means. And while you're at it, fuck off to Reddit were you learned that retarded word from other retards who don't know how to use it
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 No.402917

>>402915
I know how to use it. It's just you would sperg out instantly if I gave you an actual definition. Because definitions are never perfect.
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 No.402920

>>402917
If your definition is anything other than "MLs who justify and defend military aggression by ML states" you are using the word incorrectly.

I've been called a "tankie" for not supporting US intervention in Syria, which is literally the exact opposite of the word's actual meaning. Anarchists and liberals do not understand the word, they do not understand why it's an insult, and they use it to describe any leftist they don't like.
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 No.402921

>>402920
I understand it's been overused, ironically as an anarchist who has been called one on multiple occasions, but there is also an archetype personality and set of adjacent beliefs to "MLs who justify and defend military aggression by ML states" which people observe.
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 No.402923

>>402921
Fair enough. I apologize for yelling at you
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 No.402931

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If you want honest opinion, I honestly think that we've entered an age where "ideological labels" mean sweet fuck all, and is more or less shaped by bad online experiences and algorithms dictating what we think of either tendency.

Unfortunetely when we label ourselves as "An-Com" or "ML" we're expected to tow a collective line and brush off any criticism from either side as either being "rad-lib" or "tankie" which leads to us strawmanning our opponents and critics and making shit tier criticisms of them, and even accusing eachother of things which the other side has also done. This is something that has gone back since the past 100 years of leftism. Pic very much related.

IMHO, ideological dogma, purity is for fucking nerds, and I feel that most people adopt the title of ML or Anarchist as a preference as a means to appear radical and cool which then leads to these West-Side story like conflicts.

My advice? Drop the fucking dogma, cross reference texts, and quit fucking strawmanning your opponents unless you're willing to self-crit on your own tendency. In fact, drop the label of tendency altogether.

BECOME A COMMUNIST WITH A CAPITAL C
or just call yourself post-tendency communist etc
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 No.402964

>>402740
>There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible
It’s a behavior endemic to image board. It can’t change because of the inherent anonymous structure. People usually do it to vent their frustration and entertaining themselves. You shouldn’t take it seriously because in the end that’s the whole purpose of this board. It’s not a grand project for organizing irl but just a place to shitpost for fun. Online activism is useless mate.
>by engaging in behavior like saying anyone to the left of stalin is just an idealist
This is debatable. Stalin trying to build socialism in one country and anarchists trying to build communism through a commune don’t have much difference to me. Both are limited in scope and limited by the natural direction in which they formed. The failure of the German communist revolution in the former and the formation of organizing theories through a loose system of theory that never have any material basis in criticism of capitalism in the latter. Anarchism is not “to the left of Stalin”, it never has been and until it has a correct line of praxis that make it different from Marxist revolutionaries outside of the racist legacy of Bakunin, not even defining what is “necessary hierarchy”, reactionary romanticism with primitive communism and constant sectarianism it never will be. Me wanting to revert society to a lesser mode of production isn’t revolutionary.
Every time a new mode of production is replaced by a newer one, we always see a forceful transition of the entire world through this method. Be it genocidal empire expansion that both doomed the slave society and brought about feudalism or capitalist imperialism shoving capital into the rest of the feudal world’s throat. The same will be said for communism. And that will never be done with both mentality mentioned above.
>or going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist.
I agree with you on this. But in the end, Dengists are just a heavily warped version of social democrats. In their defense at least.
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 No.402974

>>402740
Obvious bait to stir shit, wrapped up in "plz can we work together" bullshit. So you're saying we'll all fall apart if we don't let the people who constantly break shit (leftcoms/anarchists (they're the same thing)) exist and work within our spaces as if we're philosophically coherent together?

The whole point of calling someone a leftcom or an anarchist is for the express purpose of labeling them as someone you can't work with. These holier than thou mother fuckers wreck everything we work for, screaming revisionism the whole way, which never allows us to build real power to fight porky.

Go to the pro revisionism thread and see what I'm talking about. The whole POINT of scientific socialism, the whole POINT of Marx was that you… REVISE SHIT! YOU REVISE THINGS CONSTANTLY!

Marx literally made revisions between different editions of the communist manifesto. He changed his mind on certain things. He was never prescriptivist. Just jesus fucking christ.

Ultras suck, they have always sucked, left communism is an infantile disorder, and shitting on them is literally the only way we ever get anything done.

Fuck you.
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 No.402977

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>>402931
>"ideological labels" mean sweet fuck all
I think you're right if you keep stressing the "labels" part, but ideology as such is still all around us…sniff
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 No.402979

>>402974
>I'm ML
>revisionism is good
Ok glowie, come back once you have done your homework
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 No.403047

>or going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist.

By far the largest communist party in the world

Acknowledged by 1.4 billion Chinese as being the definition of communism.

Most of the world recognise it as the leading progenitor of communism.

But no I’m the one doing mental gymnastics when your trying to fit the idea of communism around some vague defeontions in a 200 year old book.

Fool
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 No.403049

>anarchists and leftcoms who are supposedly included in left unity

There is no such thing as “left unity” it’s a retarded concept. Unity with the people not a group of misfit ideologies of utopian wankery.
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 No.403055

>>402854
>>402818
<3
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 No.403058

>>402974
>Go to the pro revisionism thread and see what I'm talking about. The whole POINT of scientific socialism, the whole POINT of Marx was that you… REVISE SHIT! YOU REVISE THINGS CONSTANTLY!

Do you not know what revisionism means? It doesn't refer to revising literally anything at all, it refers to revising core tenets of Marxism that are non-negotiable and central to the understanding.
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 No.403060

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>>403058
To give a little bit more of an understanding:
We can probably revise that Marx supported free trade. Or we can adopt it like he did. Depending on circumstances. That's not a central part of Marxism.

We can't revise that class war exists. If we try to revise the fact that class war is occurring, we've gone into revisionist territory, to the point it's something other than Marxism masquerading as Marxism.
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 No.403191

I don't want to see leftypol better. I want to see the world better and only MLs have been able to make real progress towards that. You losers can worry about your online shit, it's so easy to shit on you.
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 No.403271

>>402909
>a dead /pol/ meme
>/pol/ having the nuance to understand that there are different leftists
LOL
>tankie dead /pol/
Don't be an obtuse faggot, the meme is that /leftypol/ is just /pol/ but LARPing as red fascists instead of Nazis.

>>402911
See above
>self described tankies here who constantly shit up the board larping as stalinist commissars who want to put everyone they don't like against a wall and think socialism is when the government controls everything
Yes and they're either trolls or being hyperbolic, not seriously.
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 No.403631

>>403271
>Yes and they're either trolls or being hyperbolic, not seriously.
Horseshit, that's specifically one of the things I was talking about. A lot of the ML's here will purposefully act like these cancerous tumours don't exist on the board.
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 No.403641

>>402740
>muh tankie boogeyman
Go back to leftpol, whiny fag.
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 No.403650

>>403641
Fuck you
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 No.403657

>>403191
This, I’d rather this site burn to the ground than sully the socialist movement by having “unity” with anti-communists
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 No.403747

>There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible
>obviously mentally ill people dominate the board
First time on an imageboard? People take this shit too seriously, edgy shitposting on /leftypol/ isn't going to destroy the left and doom the world to eternal capitalism.
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 No.403752

The problem is dengoid Xionists
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 No.403799

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Anarchists are constantly shitting on every single socialist project apart from their 3month commune in Ukraine/Spain/CHAZ yet are surprised communists can't stand them… wow…
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 No.403826

OP is literally an avatarfag from Si/b/eria who makes threads about Jungian personality types, Astrology, their drug habits and one time he whined about the real estate tax he had to pay on his inherited property, lmao.

Why is it always the worst offenders who make concern troll threads about board quality, seriously?
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 No.403835

Here's a suggestion OP, instead of rolling over like a good anarkiddy, fight back against the tankie banter.
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 No.403845

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Based Bee btfoing sectarians.
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 No.403852

LEFTCOMS GET THE CHAIR
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 No.403853

>>403799
They are crybullies.
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 No.403857

>>403799
you don’t understand anon! CHAZ is making the material basis for lower-c communism. eating from
dumpsters and being a train-hopping hobo is communism in practice. the gears of history are moving.
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 No.403864

>>403799
>Ukraine/Spain

Haven't those been cancelled already? I swear whenever I bring up work camps and prisons in Catalonia anarchists claim that it wasn't real anarchism.
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 No.403892

>>402740
this place isn't anti sectarian but right wing opportunistic as fuck
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 No.403958

>>403892
This
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 No.403963

>>403892
I'd accuse stupidpol of that more than us honestly. We usually don't fall for /pol/shit (usually) although we do have shit stirrers and nomads who wonder over here.
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 No.403968

>>403799
>Anarchists are constantly shitting on every single socialist project apart from their 3month commune in Ukraine/Spain/CHAZ yet are surprised communists can't stand them… wow…
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 No.403973

>>403963
Agreed. This board consistently spots and calls out /pol/ concern trolling.
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 No.403980

>All this people replied to a /b/ait avatarfag ​thread

>>402740
And you faggot, stay on your containment board.
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 No.403983

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>>402900
Is this just a lazy attempt at sectarianism by CIA?
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 No.403986

>>403980
Make me
>>403973
I'll agree that *sometimes* it does, but a lot of the time it'll devolve into endless circlejerks about dunking on non-ML's
>>403983
He's not wrong
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 No.403993

>>403986
>He's not wrong
Yes, he fucking is. Every single thread to the effect of "Guys, we gotta convert /pol/" got shit up with OP getting called a faggot and died. Every survey asking where people came from put former /pol/yps at around 10%. "Tankie" wasn't an insult since the first split. Any attempt to pretend otherwise is both recent, and foreign.
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 No.403998

>>403993
>Says the person with the tankie flag who consistently makes tankie arguments and defends the constant tankie spam on leftypol
Don't think people don't know who you are
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 No.404001

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>>403998
They fucking better know who I am, shitbag.
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 No.404022

>>402740
>who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible
are you mad about the shitposting on an imageboard ?

>anyone to the left of stalin is just an idealist
>China are actually socialist.
thats an actual, defensible opinion though, which you would know if you bothered reading the china thread argumentation. Not that I necessarily agree though.

>anarchists and leftcoms are comrades too
sure, but when the guys using their flags post absolute garbage takes consistently, it cause some reaction, especially when they're also acting as sectarians provoking others and playing into the hands of imperialists and capitalists. But I do agree sectarianism from all sides is bad and should be avoided, attack the core of their stupidity, not their labels.

basically you seem to be mad anons in disagreements are shitposting to tell you off. Which is a lost fight. As long as least one or two users bother to engage in actual conversation (which there should be if you make good arguments in good faith), this just tell you about what the average board user think of your opinion.
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 No.404025

>>402818
good point, sadly historical material reality made sure the left/right axis is at the center of how the average people think of politic in the west
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 No.404028

>Constantly bashing other tendencies is a staple of /leftypol/ culture
Constantly bashing other tendencies is a staple of leftist and socialist culture

ftfy
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 No.404030

>>404028
Is it?
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 No.404035

>>404030
Um, yes.
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 No.404039

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>>404030
Yes
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 No.404043

>>404039

As you can see >>404030, we are dedicated to exposing your fauxialist ass.
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 No.404070

>>404043
How am I not a socialist???? Besides, I was just giving a bump because the person I replied to saged.
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 No.404074

>>404039
the difference to leftypol and marx is that latter knew what he was talking about while you are just fucking retards screeching
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 No.404077

>>404074
>t. dengoid
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 No.404089

>I shall be sending you in the near future the last parts of the French edition of Capital. The printing was held up for a considerable time by a ban of the French Government. The thing will be ready this week or the beginning of next week. Have you received the previous six parts? Please let me have the address of Bernhard Becker, to whom I must also send the final parts.

>"read marx"
>-marx
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 No.404128

>>403047
Let's not forget:
>Commanding heights of the economy owned by the state
>Relatively immune to recessions
>Provides material support to every communist-run government in the world and provides diplomatic support to hundreds of communist parties
>Every citizen receives a thorough education in Marxism at school
>Largest economy in the world, poised to be a world superpower, and yet does not engage in imperialism and/or military intervention
>Wages and standard of living continue to rise while they stagnate in every other major world power

People who think China is just an ordinary bourgeois country are fucking delusional.
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 No.404130

>>404128
<China is just an ordinary bourgeois country
>are delusional
Yeah. Agreed with your points. That's what neoliberal media portrays her all the time.
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 No.404145

This webspace is literally chock full of enemy agents and anticommunists, all posing as different things, all trying to break up any kind of socialist thought.
It's surprising ANYTHING gets talked about in good faith here.
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 No.404171

>>402799
all leftists are liberals and no marxist is a leftist
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 No.404174

>>402830
just stop caring lmao
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 No.404178

>>402740
> going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist
stopped reading right there, you're an idiot
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 No.404229

>>402740
Idgaf about any other tendencies but the fact that we allow unironic nazis and nazi lite juche larpers on the board to shit it up astounds me. Not to mention the obvious Liberarian bait posts asking about LTV or other stupid threads "critizising" theory with paper thin critiques are allowed to fester aswell.
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 No.404252

>>404229
muh freeze peach means opposition propaganda MUST be allowed here at all times, don'tcha know
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 No.404257

I agree OP, in fact it's exactly how we've come to have so many unironic personality cultists around here. As usual on image boards, ironically acting like idiots has managed to attract actual idiots who think they're in good company.
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 No.404361

>>404257
thx
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 No.404411

I'd agree in part, but it doesn't have much to do with "tankies" as such. A lot of online political discourse is essentially empty. People conform to the apparently dominant set of values on a forum, and disguise themselves as if they know something by reinforcing these values. "Marxism-Leninism" is just the latest disguise in a series of disguises by the know-nothings that make up a large part of the culture of online Marxism. Even telling them to read a book is the wrong strategy, because they too often end up over-valuing the one book they've read in years, supposing they read it at all.

Otherwise, I'd agree with >>402818 and take the point further. "Left" and "leftist" mean very little. The labels are most often used to describe positions in the culture war. In "leftist culture" online, they're frequently employed by people wishing to imply some "commonality" between "us" as "leftists," that we're all "fundamentally on the same side."

This rhetorical strategy can be used nefariously by progressive liberals intending to position themselves as political "realists" against socialists as mere "idealists," claiming to be making the "practical leftist choice" as opposed to the "impractical leftism" of the supposed idealists. In short, it becomes a way to disguise differences in principles as differences in practices, individual moral differences rather than political differences. This is also how you get hundreds of videos and essays sincerely talking about the "leftist case" for some bourgeois politician or political party.
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 No.404414

The inability and/or unwillingless for the Marxist-Leninists and other dedicated socialists here to distinguish and either correct or expel genuine tankies in their midst is disturbing and is a sign of just how uncritical most leftists actually are.
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>>404414
>Le radlib wants anons to cancel other anons.
the fuck do you want.
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>>404432
Good point, thanks for reminding me that Marx was a radlib who was steeped in #cancelculture.
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>>404442
Karlmilla Marx was a strong independant black woman.

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