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 No.391660

I've come across this sham argument in an increasing amount recently, also by Eastern Euro anti-communists.
Meanwhile Burgerland, workers in a bloody chips factory work themselves to death.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/20/frit-j20.html

Or the hyper-exploitation, which is going on now in Eastern Europe.

https://apnews.com/article/world-news-health-romania-environment-and-nature-business-74bc8c9f72d2dbe21e10282c722779dc
>In Romania, ‘modern slaves’ burn noxious trash for a living
>In the trash-strewn slums of Sintesti, less than 10 miles from Romania’s capital, Mihai Bratu scrapes a dangerous living for his Roma family amid the foul reek of burning plastic that cloys the air day and night.
>[…] “We don’t want to do this. Why don’t they give us jobs like (communist dictator Nicolae) Ceausescu used to, they would come with buses, with cars, and take us to town to work,” she told The Associated Press. “Gypsies are seen as the worst people no matter where we go or what we do.”

We know better, but feel free to post more examples of horrid working conditions in Eastern Europe and the imperial core, in addition to showing evidence of how working conditions under communism steadily improved over time, to use against anti-communists in debates.
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 No.391662

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 No.391674

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The USSR literally had a rational 5 day working calendar where you MAX had to work 4 days a week with 1 day off in-between

pic related roughly says 'Always remember your shift crews colour and check this calendar to always remember you day off!' so for instance someone who was part of 'yellow' would start work on the '2nd' and work till the '5th' having the '6th' off and returning to work on the '7'th' days with red stars were public holidays.

And soviet proles had plenty of lot of shit to do after work (8 hour work day) and on their days off since culture, arts and public works / spaces weren't gutted by libs yet
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 No.391690

>>391674
wow capitalism is bullshit

imagine how much better this could be in the USA with modern technology and more people
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 No.391695

>>391660
Well I just don't want to be forced to work in a gulag
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 No.391700

>>391695
So are most Americans slaves because of the US prison system?
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 No.391702

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 No.391703

Nazi and liberal shit has always been an ideology that you pull out for when you want to look really edgy, but when you get down to it, they just make life more miserable and tedious for people.
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 No.391712

>>391703
>Nazi and liberal shit has always been an ideology that you pull out for when you want to look really edgy
How is liberalism edgy? "Edgy" usually implies some sort of contrarianism, and since liberalism is mainstream, it can't really be "edgy".
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 No.391740

>>391674
>work in retail
>spend all of last year getting all the rotas on the Sunday before due to managerial incompetence
>always told capitalism is more efficient
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 No.391748

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>How is liberalism edgy? "Edgy" usually implies some sort of contrarianism, and since liberalism is mainstream, it can't really be "edgy".
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 No.391751

>>391748
I don't really see how that's edgy. It's just making fun of radicals.
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 No.391776

>liberalism is mainstream
And yet 99% don't understand the concept of rights
>rights are the tools that the fatcats use to stop us from seizing the beans of reproduction
Actually, it's the army of paid goons gunning people down. People understand intrinsically that if their rights are violated, they can retaliate. Most people already know their rights are being violated, it's simple to show who is violating them, It is difficult to survive being shot.
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 No.391813

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>"Communism is slavery" I told this dumb red
>As I squeezed one out into my nappy because I'm too scared to ask my boss to go to the toilet

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/12/poultry-workers-wear-diapers-work-bathroom-breaks
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 No.391826

well, I live in Poland and when it comes to talking about work anticommunists say the exact opposite: it had absolutely no importance whatsoever whether you worked on your job or not, you still got your shit (there's a famous phrase: no matter if you're standing or lying down, you deserve 2 thousand), you could literally drink all day on the job, steal shit and so on without any consequences
well, obviously it isn't possible to go from the most war-torn country in Europe to what poland looked like in the late 80s without anyone doing anything all day
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 No.391843

>>391660
Because under capitalism labor is ostensibly "free"; on paper you have the right to quit your job at any time, for any reason. The fact that many people cannot exercise this right due to poverty/coercion/etc. is not relevant to those who are making the argument. Whereas in AES, you were to an extent 'placed' in your job by the bureaucracy, and your movement was regulated by internal passport systems to make sure you didn't skip town and defect or fuck up the planned economy.
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 No.391852

>>391674
It should be pointed out that this system was abolished not longer afterwards because it led to disruption among people's family and friend life.
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 No.391858

Easter Euro anticommunists are awsome. You literally can see their degeneration over time plainly. Because at the core of it you have now almost dead generation of US propagandists that created the radio free Europe programs. Then from there you get the ex-dissident EE boomers who opperate on the logic of "gommunism bad cuz da burgerz told me so on the radio when I was 16". And now you are getting these soy creature zoomers in EE who just KNOW USSR was literally 1984, claim wildest retarded shit that sounds about right to them, hace zero sourcess and also get constantly cheered on by the boomers for showing "patriotic qualities of not forgetting your history". This also obviously results in a ln absolutely inane NPC dialogue options of replies agaisnt communism from them all:
>u were not there
>lurn ur history
>ur just a dumb vatnik
>u gotta biliv da boomaz dey went through it
>did u skip history class
Also you sometimes get pure gusano shit like:
>muh lived experiance, dey took my gramps mansion and cut it up into an appartment building, dank dog we reprivatized it and kicked da poors out tho
>muh great great great gramps was loyal and diligent czarist, our family deserves these 20 plots of land that were nationalized by da ebul sovietz, can't wait to sell and loan them off when I get them back to retvrn to landlordism
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 No.391863

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>>391826
Another reason to hate Pooland then. You should emigrate. It is a lost cause.
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 No.391871

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>>391660
Oh no, you're not leading strong enough OP. You don't just work as a slave, you work endlessly just to not be able to afford shit.
We're steadily reaching the point where capitalist contradictions can be seen clear as day and instead gotta highlight more evidence that socialist work conditions were better in one or every regard.
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 No.391876

And when you ask them about all the workers working like shit currently they'll tell you stuff like they should've studied more/a better career or some shit.
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 No.391898

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>>391858
I don't see how this is "awesome."
As shown with plenty of polls, studies amd interviews of EE boomers, they overwhelmimgly prefered the socialist times. The zoomers from that region get brainwashed by western media about how "bad" gommunisum supposedly was and how superior capitalism is allegedly and then preceed to "rebel" against their boomers' more positive views on socialism, claiming in a geeat irony, how "brainwashed" said boomers are. Most EE zoomers I've seen are either lolberts at best or outright bloodthirsty fascists at worst. Unlike western chinlets, those fascists are a lot more fit and dangerous and constantly harrass, attack minorities and even their women en masse
EE zoomers almost seem like the opposite of WE and Burger zoomers. In the West they seem to open up more to socialist ideas, while in the East they fall into religious fundamentalism and fascism.
Since I don't see a revolution any time soon in WE and EE boomers are dying out, I fear that a fascist bloc might emerge in the East, since the western bourgeoisie will surely support their rise, as they have done in the 30s with Germany and currently with Turkey and Cuckraine. The next canditate might be Romania or one of the Balkan countries, who knows…
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 No.391926

>>391898
Because there is truth in the fact that in these countries the communist party wasn't the clear winner and leader among the masses in 1940-1950 era and in example in Poland came to power through major Soviet support. This is unlike Yugoslavia, where the Communist party was at the end of the war the undisputed leader of the nation and the most popular political group and the only one that rebeled against nazi invasions, all the others were silent or collaborated.

In Poland, for example, non-communist groups also fought against nazis etc, so a communist revolution was not a natural development, such as in Yugoslavia.
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 No.391939

>>391863
rent free
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 No.391967

>>391863
The funny thing about Pooland is that under the Shit-Libs and self described "nationalists" the Poolish population is set to decline massively in the future

The thing about socialism and imperialism is that socialism can never pay as much as imperialism
We see the revolt in 1989 was about the Poolish wanting to become parasites and immigrants into West Europe
These same self described 20 year old Poolish "nationalists" are now all over Western europe renouncing the horrors of communism (which they never experienced) are now taking part in the the destruction of Poland as its people dwindle

Compare this to the Socialist era of course and Poland could grow each year

We see here how a nation on the periphery of imperialism that the "nationalists" are not nationalists but comprador stooges for Western european capitalism

For Poland the authentic nationalism was communism
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 No.392002

>>391660
Go to North Korea, cuba, China, or vietnam to see for yourself how lovely working conditions are in socialist societies
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 No.392026

"Everyone is lazy and gets paid to not work" and "le gommunisms is slavery" are trotted out depending on the situation without any hint of irony. It's all coping or sleight of hand from the bourgeoisie
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 No.392042

>>392002
Cuba and China have a longer life expectancy than Burger land though
And Cuba is still subject to brutal economic blockade which stops vital medicines and surgical steels getting to it.
China was poorer than subsuharan Africa only 40 years ago and already has longer life expectancy than US
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 No.392052

>>392042
Are you gonna move yet though?
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 No.392087

>>391751
He's an actual idiot. Probably came from 4chan.
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 No.392109

>>392002
not an argument
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 No.392245

>>392002
Didn't Noncomplete unironically move to Vietnam and liked it there?
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 No.392265

>>392002
Wack bait but here’s your (You)
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 No.392322

>>391926
>not a natural development
I don't care. You could also claim that all failed revolutions, during the 2nd Internationale and shortly after WW1 were also not "natural developments". In many places the reds were brutally massacred, eradicated from the population and collectively made forgotten by the bourgeois victors, like in Finnland where over a million of its small population was murdered by the White Army and collaborators or when Mussolini took power or even going into the 30s with the Franco dictatorship etc. It would have taken decades if not centuries for a proletarian movement to "naturally" redevelop on its own locally. And that time was simply not available with the coming of WW2 and later the Cold War.
When the Soviet Union defeated fascism, it was in its geopolitical and the working class' interest to make sure any local bourgeois elements in occupied territories would be extinguished. This is one of the few things the USSR was way too sloppy and not brutal enough on, to crush actual counter-revolutionary elements. Instead, it chose the easy way and cracked down on petty things and other communists, it disagreed with, and not rather crush reactionary elements like the Catholic Church in Pooland, which continued to fester. Things like the latter would always create way more political fallout from the west, since it diametrically opposes its imperialist interests – and it would fatally exploit it later. But I digress.
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 No.392329

>>392052
Ive already lived in China for 2 years and south east asia for 3 years
Only reason i left China was because my visa ran out before i could renew another

Next question bitch
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 No.392355

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>>392245
Yes, he has and brainlet over here → >>392052 is missing the point. Socialism must be spread across the world in order to truly liberate humanity. Keeping small or even big pockets of capitalism alive is extremely dangerous, since those will always seek to expand and try to undo the revolution. In a way, it is similar to how capitalism spread globally like stage 4 cancer and destroyed everything that wasn't the imperial core (what brainlets call the 1st World) in its path, by its persuit for perpetual growth as demanded by the profit motive.

There can never be "coexistence" between socialism and capitalism, since they are diametrically opposed. So shove your "go to x-socialist country" up your ass. I'd rather realise it at least where I live right now.
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 No.392585

>>392002
I’d rather live on Cuba than in capitalist El Salvador, Haiti, Jamaica.

Cuba absolutely rocks in its poverty- and crime-ridden region.
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 No.392625

>>391660
the difference is that capitalism masquerades as something different by how well-known it is, while communism can be shown to be evil from the outside looking in in the west
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 No.392639

>>392002
>go 2 kuba or chyna
You forgot the "dilate" part
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 No.394142

>>391660
>Eastern Euro anti-communists
They're probably the same bourgeois shits who turned their countries into brothels, slave labour reserves for British/German/French capitalists and NATO bases. Ignore them.
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 No.404676

>>404669
/pol/tard. You're no newbie leftist. You're just a fing retarded glowie. FYMP.
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 No.404719

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>>391695
AHHAHAHAHAH
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 No.404772

>>391660
In Romania everything bad that happens today is blamed on communism. "See? This is what 50 years of communism does to you."
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 No.404788

>>404772
I fucking hate shit like this, I remember back when the pandemic started some dumb fucking burgers were taking pics of empty shelves in walmart and saying shit like "SEE??? DIZ IZ LITERALLY GOMUNIZM!!!111" "IF WE HAD GOMUNIZM WE WOULD HAVE THIS!"
They're all a bunch of goddamn toddlers
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 No.404805

>>404772
>these problems brought by capitalism are what happens when you have communism
lmao
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 No.404807

>>404788
>panic buying is communism
Tsktsktsk.

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