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 No.399801

Defend North Koreas bloated and ineffective military budget. Why would anyone spend 20% on obsolete toys when everything comes down to Chinas involvement anyway?
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 No.399805

They’re at war. Quite literally.
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 No.399809

>>399805
This
The war never ended
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 No.399811

>>399809
>>399805
When was the last time they used all those tanks, artillery and aircraft?
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 No.399814

They spend alot on war and nukes because the world hates them and is trying to eradicate them or turn them into neoliberals
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 No.399845

>>399801
their military during peacetime is used as a mobile construction force that builds up their industry, housing, and infrastructure rather than mill around in military bases
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 No.399856

>>399811
They’re not building an endless arsenal. Their military is woefully small in comparison to the larger militaries and this country is a country that is still officially at war, and constantly being threatened, so yeah their response is more than reasonable.
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 No.400000

The DPRK is indestructible due to the power of the Juche Idea
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 No.400007

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>>400000
IT'S HAPPENING
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 No.400013

Blame the US for stationing 30,000 troops on the Korean border and regularly doing military drills in the area. If America wasn't constantly in a state of military provocation, maybe the government would be able to spend more money on non-military programs.
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 No.400016

>>400000
B A S E D
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 No.400023

>>400016
Coincidentally it’s the 40,000th post
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 No.400031

>>400000
BASED KIM
GLORY TO THE ETERNAL JUCHE IDEA
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 No.400033

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>>400000
cheka'd
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 No.400034

>>400033
Mommy 😍
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 No.400037

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>>400000
What the fuck.

I think you managed to make this post while the image of 400001 was processing because they're out of order.
This truly is divine intervention from Kim Jong-un himself. The Juche Idea is inevitable.
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 No.400040

>>400037
JUCHE IS SO ADVANCED IT'S UNDISTINGUISHABLE FROM IDEALISM
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 No.400047

>>400000
holy fuck
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 No.400053

>>400000
How do you say "based" in Korean?
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 No.400055

>>400040
>>400037
Material reality has sublated itself into the Juche ideal
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 No.400067

Anons still talking about Juche while they don't know the DPRK is reemphasizing socialism and communism now.
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 No.400072

>>400067
More info about this pls, I keep hearing this, but not a proper article or something.
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 No.400075

>>400067
They always considered Juche as a socialist theory. They are now re-emphasizing that communism is the end goal.
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 No.400132

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>>400072
I don't know if there has been an article serving as a one-stop-shop for this, but it's something that's happening. Kim Il Sung will talk about communism as the goal in speeches. The party has also deemphasized his titles, they call him "respected comrade" now or just "comrade."

The party youth organization, the Kimilsungist-Kimjongilist Youth League, was also renamed the Socialist Patriotic Youth League in April.

>Comrade Kim Jong Un said that is was important that working class people be encouraged to give full play to communist traits and noble virtues, meaning unhesitating sacrifices for the sake of the collective in today's advance holding higher the slogan "One for all, all for one!"


>>400075
I wonder if it's almost like war communism? Or just their term for it? It's like an emergency state or something.
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 No.400137

>>400072
Also they recently launched a Chollima campaign, which is like the Stakhanovite movement in the 1930s in the USSR aimed at boosting productivity. Check out the song at the end of this video announcing it.
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 No.400138

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>>399801
I know that SDL is massively glow, but is this true?
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 No.400142

>>400132
>I wonder if it's almost like war communism?
No, they're not comparable at all. Juche is simply best described as shortly as possible just Marxism-Leninism with Korean characteristics. The two main distinct features is the prioritization of self reliance and autarky, much more so than socialism in one country, it's like that but x100. It makes sense since unlike the USSR the DPRK can't ever really have as much potential towards exporting the revolution, the conditions simply aren't there. So this high value is place on mantaining the sovereignty and independence of the nation from the outside world as much as possible. One way in which they do this is through their Songun policy, which places extra priorities on mantaining a strong army, and transforming the country into a nuclear power to defend itself from foreign aggression.

I should also add that tbh calling it ML with Korean characteristics isn't really that accurate either, since Juche can technically be applied anywhere. It would be best to describe it as (specifically what the DPRK has) Marxism-Leninism with an emphasis on mantaining the sovereignty of the country through all their specific policies towards that goal. I guess another part of this model would be Korean nationalism, but that's also in line with the culture of prioritizing independence and sovereignty as much as possible. For those reasons I say that Juche can technically be applied anywhere, though clearly it wouldn't work as well as in the DPRK if the conditions don't facilitate Juche.
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 No.400143

>>399801
The same reason military was a budgetary black hole in the USSR - defense bureau wields too much power. Like in the USSR you just couldn't argue for diverting resources from the military, like long time head of the Gosplan Baybakov lamented, so the same is the case in the NK because it is essentially the same system with all its drawbacks of bureau egoism.
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 No.400153

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>>400000
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I FEEL THE POWER ON JUCHE ON MY VEINS
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 No.400158

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>>400138
Maybe. I dunno. But apparently in June the WPK declared its goal is "to build a communist society where the ideals of the people will be completely realized," in addition to the other stuff. This has literally just happened within the past three months.

>>400142
Thanks. Helpful post. Y'know, thinking about it, I'd reckon that one reason for the change in emphasis lately is due to the nuclear deterrent.
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 No.400168

>>400138
>Ten Principles for the Establishment of a Monolithic Ideological System
Likely an invention. It's nowhere to be found within their online bookstores, and the Wikipedia article contains no working links to it. I mean, they made up "Songbun", it's likely they made up this stuff as well. The source in the Wiki article is the Illinois Law Review, which quote Robert Collins, a glowie. No actual primary sources of this exist, which is very, very strange for a document that supposedly is the supreme law of the country. It would be like googling the French of Spanish constitution and it's nowhere to be found.
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 No.400169

>>400158
>Y'know, thinking about it, I'd reckon that one reason for the change in emphasis lately is due to the nuclear deterrent.
I think it's partly that and also about their military being at a satisfactory development. I remember in the DPRK thread somewhere around mid year 2020 some articles being posted about the WPK saying how they deemed their military power to be sufficiently developed so they were going to shift their priorities towards other aspects of society. That being said though, another thing which should be considered is that "arduous march" which has been emphasized this year by KJU, due to covid and shit, which has caused some food shortages I believe. This shift could also be to try to create a culture of collective leadership instead of so much emphasis on the paramount leader, I don't think to shift the blame away from KJU necessarily, since it's not his fault in any way, but instead to create a narrative around the entire society getting through together.
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 No.400193

>>400000
만세
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 No.400208

>>400138
"Paektu/Baekdu" bloodline does not actually refer to the Kim family. It is a metaphor for the revolutionary traditions of the DPRK and not a literal bloodline. Any Korean who is not an imperialist collaborator can be part of it.
Kim Jong Un also gave a speech declaring that graduates of a military school should "carry forward the lineage of Paektu" and called them "sons and daughters of Mt. Paektu" which they cannot be if it only refers to the Kim family.
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 No.400211

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 No.400214

https://amp.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1296394/democratic-peoples-monarchy-korea-north-korea-changes-ruling-principles

And here's a article exactly about what person mentioned

>North Korea rewrites rules to legitimise Kim family succession

>North Korea changes ruling principles to legitimise succession of power
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 No.400217

The website, which definitely talks about socialism, of the DPRK's central media agency is at http://kcna.kp, if anyone was interested.
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 No.400226

>>400211
>Lie
The lie is that the "Baekdu bloodline" refers to the Kim family when that is a massively spread mistranslation. Of course your simple Google search would repeat that nonsense. They don't just lie about what the DPRK does. They also lie about what the DPRK says, either through making up complete nonsense or through deliberate mistranslation. Why don't you read the Kim Jong Un speech where this phrase is clearly used in a completely different way?
>>400214
>reported South Korean daily Chosun Ilbo
of course.
Also the supposed "10 Principles" are a most likely a total fabrication since they cannot be found in and are not referred to by any official DPRK source. Which would not be the case for such a supposedly important and central document.
The supposed "original source" cited in Wikipedia for the "10 Principles" is a Kim Il Sung speech which doesn't even mention them.
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 No.400292

>>400211
>wikipedia
Go back
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 No.400294

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 No.400310

>>399801
Most their budget is spent on the tools that matter (TBM's, SLBM's, ICBM's, nuclear warheads, satellites, solid/liquid fuel rocket technology, radar evading missiles, MLRS, long range artillery, GPS guided artillery, submarines etc), as very evident by how stagnant their air force is. They're at a huge military risk of being invaded and Songun was a smart strategy to deter external military threat from the U.S and worst Korea by keeping them in a standoff.
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 No.400314

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>>400000
Holy based
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 No.400323

>>399801
Because in the end the DPRK isn’t a puppet of China. It’s non even an uncommon thing that smaller countries in the communist bloc had to fight off overbearing influences from their “big brothers”. Because the alternative would be what happened to the socialist afghan government, getting coup’ed by soviets to be replaced with an incompetent yes man that collapsed the country when the USSR left. The Vietnam War would’ve turned out exactly like the Korean situation if we had listened to our friendly neighborhood Chinese advisors. Hell, the rest of Indochina would’ve been a war zone to this day.
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 No.400341

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 No.400342

>>399805
And it goes without saying, but a defensive war.
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 No.400347

>bloated and ineffective
Yanks ain’t invaded yet have they cunt
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 No.400416

>>400000
Holy shit
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 No.400705

>>399801
because MiG-21 is awesome
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 No.400768

>>400000
Shit, bro, your get is blessed with the eternal Juche ideology.
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 No.400836

>>40000
I use your post to bump dis thread
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 No.400990

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I mean, there is no way those "Ten Principles" actually exist. I refuse to believe it. Apparently, and that is probably true, Kim il-Sung 1967 and Kim Jong-il in 1974 gave speeches where they talked about a "monolithic ideological system", after there was an internal power struggle within the party. But from how they present this, they claim that the "Ten Principles" exist with multiple clauses and over dozens subclauses (lol) that constantly get amended by the will of the leader and the party. They claim that they are present at every party meeting and basically function as law. Yet they are not anywhere to be found. I can easily look up the North Korean constitution, the North Korean criminal code, even their fucking street traffic code with no problem. The DPRK promotes the works of their leaders as much as they can too. This is the only pdf you can find:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170906180510/http://www.internationallawbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Ten-Great-Principles-of-the-Establishment-of-the-Unitary-ideology.pdf

It's from the Citizens’ Alliance for North Korean Human Rights (NKHR), which is a Korean offshoot of Amnesty International. I didn't find anything remarkable about them, but all of those North Korean human right NGOs tend to be filled with connections to the American deep state. Their founder got some award by the NED apparently. Read more about the Committe for Human Rights in North Korea, and the connections of Robert Collins, one of the leading DPRK "experts" who always gets quotes with regards to this stuff:

https://rhizzone.net/articles/songbullshit/

There aren't even Koreans on the board of the HRNK, it's all white Americans with careers in intelligence services, the State Department and financial trusts. Now, I am not saying the NKHR is exactly the same, but it gives you an impression of how the North Korean "human rights" industry works.

The document states:
>Translated by Joanna Hosaniak,Kyung Eun Ha, Markus Simpson Bell
From where? I'm itching to know. Is it in Kim il-Sungs collected words? Is it a secret pamphlet that got leaked? Is it literally just oral tradition that gets repeated in speeches? Where is the source.

I googled the translators and apparently they write articles about North Korean prisons on HRW:

https://www.hrw.org/report/2020/10/19/worth-less-animal/abuses-and-due-process-violations-pretrial-detention-north

One of the translators, Joanna Hosniak, is actually deputy director of the NKHR. She from Poland and worked for the network of "Human Rights Houses" and was advisor to the South Korean embassy in Warsaw.

https://kr.linkedin.com/in/joanna-hosaniak-230b045

I couldn't find the other two. Apparently Markus Simpson Bell also works for the NKHR, he has written articles for them. Every source about the the "Ten Principles" (if it is sourced at all) redirects back to their translation. So did the NKHR got their hands on a document that apparently nobody else has? This is all really strange and I would appreciate if someone should do a little more digging with this. Here is their e-mail:

[email protected]

I'm going to write a request if they can redirect me to their source in the original Korean. I'm going to pretend that I am writing a paper on North Korea and my professor wants to me primarily use Korean sources. If I'm getting anything at all out of this that would confirm my scepticism, I will send it to Max Blumenthal.
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 No.401002

>>400990

This is a good endeavor. Solidarity and support.
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 No.402456

>>400990
Late bump but want to recognize your post either way, for the effort of looking and sifting through all this shit to debunk the lies against the DPRK
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 No.402568

>>400990
based anon
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 No.402749

>>399801
>obsolete toys
<MiG-21
Are you retarded?
>China's involvement anyway
<Fuck independent armed forces and our own political sovereignty, lets be Chinese vassals again!.
Unlike the USSR and Warsaw Pact, China and the DPRK are not in a defense Bloc of such integration. North Korea has limited access to materials, weapons and technology and so relies on older products because new ones are blocked.

>>400000
Fucking Based Kek
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 No.403458

>>399801
Regardless of whether North Korea is Marxist-Leninist, it is undeniable that North Korea stands as a constant target of world imperialism. The only thing that keeps North Korea from facing an outright invasion is its disproportionate military power, guarantees from China, and its potential nuclear capabilities. While this isn't to say that North Korea is some sort of military powerhouse, the very fact that the United States media views North Korea as an equal adversary capable of ending the world is a pretty powerful deterrent.
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 No.403466

>>403458
>>400347
Why would yanks invade norkorea? They'd have to go through south korea who want nothing to do with the north

>>402749
>mig-21
>not obsolete
What. Fishbed was obsolete back when F-14 and modern sparrows rolled out. They're even more obsolete now when AMRAAMs are around.
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 No.403478

>>403466
resources
you fucking retard
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 No.403493

>>400000
FUCKING WITNESSED

LIBERALS AND REVISIONISTS GET FUCKED
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 No.403500

>>400000
The burger empire falls in 2022

>>403466
I’m going to pretend you didn’t say that. I will await my apology however
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 No.403518

>>403478
>lets invade some obscure hellhole instead of buying chinese
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 No.403524

>>403518
>implying the us doesn’t invade “obscure he’ll holes”

??????!!!!!!!???????!!!! Wot? Stop inhaling jenkum you fucking loon
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 No.403529

>>403524
But not for resources you dumb cuck
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 No.403538

>>399801
developing and selling weapons to non state actors is actually a pretty good way to counter the capitalist encirclement
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 No.403561

>>403529
>implying shock therapy in North Korea wouldn’t benefit US porky

Lmao bro just stop
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 No.403566

>>399801
It's a show of power, mostly to impress (and repress) their own people and to intimidate South Korea. I'm not really defending it I'm just explaining why it exists.
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 No.403570

>>400990
That guy is a CIA spook if I've ever seen one.
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 No.403586

Socialist nations are perpetually at war with reaction. Such a military budget is expected of all socialist states
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 No.403646

<403566
Glow harder, shitlib.
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 No.403885

>>399801
>obsolete toys
they also built nukes with icbm on that budget.
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 No.404023

>>403561
Of course it wouldn't. All it would achieve is pissing off China and crashing the economy of South Korea
>>403885
Non-MIRV nukes are irrelevant desu wa
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 No.404081

>>403561
HAH
SHOCK THERAPY DOESN'T BENEFIT US PORKIES
Cmon man
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 No.404088

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>>399801
>Why would anyone spend 20% on obsolete toys
Even WWII heavy weapons are not obsolete at those ranges when your goal is saturating the enemy line (thus don't care about detecting the enemy or being accurate).
>when everything comes down to Chinas involvement anyway?
Same reason why the GDR invested in its army so it can carry its weight in WWIII.
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 No.404096

>>404023
are you seriously suggesting Thales etc wouldn't jump at the chance of a war in North Korea?
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 No.404593

>>404096
Maybe Thales would, however Apple and Microsoft which have more could wouldn't
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 No.404607

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 No.404611

>>404595
Like that matters, Apple still makes most of it's revenue through iphones.
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 No.404619

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 No.404624

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>>400037
Uphold the immortal science of Juche
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 No.404737

>>400138
I once spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get of the bottom of this. You may read my research if you want here: https://rentry.co/dk2ey
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 No.404751

>>400990
If you can read Korean maybe the tablet PDFs I found in >>404737 can help your research.

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