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 No.403473

>overpopulation
Theres already enough food on the planet until 2050 in fact it's been proven with countries like kenya china brazil and india that reducing population sizes dont fix societal problems as your controlling population sizes not increasing the wealth of a country per person
>water crises
This is a man made problem, desalination, well digging, atmospheric humidity to drinking water hell even fresh water supplies in the ocean are all available and most drinking water is spent on unsustainable farming methods that could be improved on in a month
>climate change
The earths climate is changing but not due to human influence as earth is fucking huge with most of its land and resources being unused, the biggest greenhouse gas isnt co2 it's water vapor and historically the climate has spiked and fallen at different intervals due to the climate cycle
>covid
Your at risk of mortality if your health is already compromised either often due to drugs, if your already ill or obesity, wear a mask and keep away from others but dont take the vaccine as theres no evidence that it works(something that you'll be told on official papers from your local government) and most vaccines are being produced by corporations that need you to take constant doses to fund their agendas whatever they may be
>gun violence
Drugs kill far more people every year than guns and the tobacco industry alone is responsible for 100 million deaths by cigarettes in the 20th century alone, it's been documented that outbreaks of gun violence primarily occur in areas where guns are restricted like chicago, canada(yes even they have mass shootings and quite a few)russia and california as gun control is a weak response to fixing the problems with a countries security as epidemics of violence are a byproduct of people not bullets
>mass immigration is a form of colonialism
It isnt most immigrants assimilate at one point in their lives or their nationality changes as they've settled into a region of the planet for long enough, immigrants cant take your jobs especially in capitalist societies because employers have multiple ways to create artificial unemployment including outsourcing, forcing workers to work longer and under hiring to have a workforce that's desperate for a job, or automation, no most migrants do not live on welfare including illegals as they dont have the proper legal information required to recieve social securities whom in societies like Britain france and america are actually quite scarce
<I think that's all of them
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 No.403477

Boy, Malthus is going to be pissed when he reads this
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 No.403480

Oh wait left 1
>global resource shortage
This is also wrong as mentioned in overpopulation the vast amount of earths resources are unused as even the deepest mine a gold mine in south africa hasn't crossed 0.1% of the earth's total depth are including most land on earth hasn't been urbanized
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 No.403487

>USSR, the nation with strongest pro-natalism policy in history, barely kept above the replacement rate of 2 kids per person because modernity reduces reproduction needs
This kills the Malthusian
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 No.403489

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>The earths climate is changing but not due to human influence
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 No.403491

>>403487
The bigger factor is women in education actually because even in societies with strong social securities where it would be easy to start a family like Sweden the cultural shift that occurs as more women enter the labour force and recieve education is triggered and women are no longer dependent on men to survive and likewise dont have needs to marry as much
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 No.403495

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>>403489
Yes
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 No.403509

>you know, people aren't equal in their abilities
<haha, time for hierarchies, slavery and genocide
>actually, some physical traits are heritable
<haha, time for racism, hierarchies and "eugenics"(genocide)
>dude, Laws of Thermodynamics!
<haha, time for genocide!
I don't think debunking reactionary belief systems will actually do anything.
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 No.403510

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>>403495
my chart has higher resolution than your two charts combined
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 No.403511

What about?

>children as property
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 No.403517

Daily reminder that malthusianism =/= anti-natalism.
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 No.403522

>>403517
Equally retarded
Don't care, will do a lot of children with my wife
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 No.403523

>>403511
Private property is a human made belief children are simply the byproduct of reproduction, organized societies will naturally develop concepts of ownership and children may be subjected to that kind of treatment varying on where they were born in and likewise will be subjected to different conditions under the belief that they're being protected by their parent otherwise they're technically free
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 No.403527

>>403517
>faggotry =/= faggotry
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 No.403530

Soviet critique of Malthus
>Right at the beginning of the development of capitalism, the bourgeoisie's tame economists were trying to lay the blame for the unemployment and poverty of the labouring masses on Nature and on the scarcity of her resources and, at the same time, to justify the capitalist system. When the development of large-scale machine industry in Great Britain gave rise to a rapid growth of "surplus" population, the English vulgar economist T. R. Malthus published An Essay on the Principle of Population (1789). In it he "proved" that the poverty of the broad masses of labourers under capitalism was caused by people reproducing more quickly than production of the means of subsistence increased. According to his estimates, population grew in geometric progression: doubling in the first 25 years, and again in the next 25 years (a fourfold in-crease), then again doubling (eightfold) and so on, while the means of subsistence increased only at a rate of 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on, i.e. in arithmetic progression. Malthus illustrated his "law" with falsified data on population growth in the USA, deliberately ignoring the fact that the population of North America was increasing rapidly at that time mainly through the influx of large numbers of immigrants. Nevertheless, his book was noisily acclaimed by bourgeois readers and the aim of its publication was achieved. This aim, as the Russian revolutionary democrat N. G. Chernyshevsky wrote, was to "show that human calamities are mainly the result, not of inadequacies of the economic system, but of the laws of nature itself and that no reforms will bring about a lasting improvement of the human condition". Malthus claimed that calamities like cholera, plague, famine and wars were blessings for humanity, since they reduced the population, bringing it into correspondence with the available means of subsistence. "The productive power at mankind's disposal is unmeasurable," Frederick Engels wrote, criticising this reactionary "theory". "The productivity of the soil can be increased ad inlinitum by the application of capital, labour and science." Even the reality of capitalism itself shows the bankruptcy of Malthus's "theory". In the USA, in the 30 years from 1938 to 1967 the population increased 53 per cent, while agricultural production rose by 75 per cent and output of manufacturing industry 400 per cent. Malthus's absurd views, which had nothing in common with science, were put by fascist ideology to the service of German imperialism with its delirious ideas of the enslavement and extermination of whole nations. A vast number of books and articles has been published in capitalist countries since the Second World War, also devoted to "justifying" the need for a new war and for mass destruction of people by atomic and bacteriological weapons. The books of the American neo-Malthusians Pearson and Pendell enjoy great popularity among the ideologists of imperialism. W. Vogt in his Road to Survival, published in 1948, "proved" that, since modern agriculture can apparently feed only half the population of the world, the majority of the people are doomed to starvation and death. He ignored the fact that huge amounts of food were periodically destroyed in capitalist countries for lack of effective demand. To eliminate "surplus" population, Vogt suggested deliberately organising starvation in India and China, and cutting of the population of Europe to a third and of Japan to an eighth. In another work, in 1960, Vogt said that rapid growth of population was more dangerous and represented a more direct threat than the hydrogen bomb. Pearson proposed cutting world population to 900 million. Pendell cynically called for the introduction of a law forbidding marriage for those who could not furnish evidence of adequate income to support a family. It is a premise of Marxist political economy that the welfare of the people depends not only on natural wealth, but mainly on the state of production and the character of the social system. Working people are not just consumers of material wealth, but are also the main productive force of society. At the present-day level of productivity of social labour, a man is able to produce many more means of subsistence than are needed to provide a normal life for his family. The outlook for further development of material production, given full use of the latest achievements of science and technology, is truly immense. The actual reasons for the increase of poverty and unemployment in capitalist countries are to be found not in overpopulation or in the "laws of nature", but in capitalist relations, which hold back the development of material production more and more strongly.
Source: https://archive.org/details/PoliticalEconomyCapitalism
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 No.403537

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>>403530
<weird this sounds exactly like what I said earlier
>overpopulation
Theres already enough food on the planet until 2050 in fact it's been proven with countries like kenya china brazil and india that reducing population sizes dont fix societal problems as your controlling population sizes not increasing the wealth of a country per person
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 No.403540

>>403509
This, some people just love death.
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 No.403546

>>403522
>>403527
"nuance is for faggots"
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 No.403551

boy i'm sure glad i'm going to be dead before 2050, a time period literally hundreds of years in the future
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 No.403553

>>403489
Nice
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 No.403554

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Okay OP, now get it in.
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 No.403563

>>403511
>>403523
FYI leftists were pushing for a "birth strike" at the start of the 20th century and failed miserably.

https://justine-s-writes.medium.com/birth-strike-how-the-predecessors-of-antifa-laid-the-foundations-for-abortion-in-america-5c147c7670dd
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 No.403567

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OP here anyone got any ideas on this image, I for one still advocate for more people as even if living standards are low theres always going to be human life available that can counter low standards of living leading to an overall better planet
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 No.403569

>>403567
>I for one still advocate for more people as even if living standards are low
Gee, I wonder why the CPC did the one child policy.
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 No.403572

>>403569
The 1 child policy was a colossal failure as it advocated for population control over societal reforms with the state the economy and it's people, not only did the 1 child policy lead to millions of abortions but it also failed to control chinas overall population as you can abort the baby but never prevent the egg from fertilizing and since then they're trying to increase their population to their own failure with the 3 child policy as the relationship with the state the economy and it's people has changed to reward pro naturalist beliefs
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 No.403577

>>403563
Syndies were a huge mistake.
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 No.403582

>>403517
Anti-natalism will be a capital crime under socialism
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 No.403583

>>403572
>The 1 child policy was a colossal failure
The CPC actually calculated that without restricting population growth the improvement in the quality of life would be negligible. Approx. 400 million less people were born, which is to say that with less than the 1/3rd of the current population.

>lead to millions of abortions
Nobody cares. Fetuses aren't people.

>you can abort the baby but never prevent the egg from fertilizing
Wut? What's a condom?

>since then they're trying to increase their population to their own failure
This is the mania of burger conservative talking heads. If they were really that desperate, they would just let in adult immigration, like the US did for hundreds of years.

>the relationship with the state the economy and it's people has changed to reward pro naturalist beliefs
Pure schizo nonsense.

>>403582
>a personal ethical position will be a capital crime
lol
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 No.403584

>>403582
Anti-natalism is completely antithetical to socialism.

>>403577
We're not all like that. I want to see birthrates explode under socialism.
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 No.403587

>>403584
>Anti-natalism is completely antithetical to socialism.
Tell that to Lenin, lmao.
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 No.403588

>>403584
>>403583
A “personal ethical position” that lowers the workforce and reduces social cohesion. The fact that you so selfishly believe someone else should pick up your slack reveals you as a liberal
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 No.403593

>>403583
You understand that the average births per woman in china right now is 1.5? They're currently on a course to an aging crisis that they've resorted to importing migrants all across Asia and africa to curb the oncoming shitstorm they created for themselves
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 No.403594

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don't make me tap the sign
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 No.403595

>>403588
>A “personal ethical position” that lowers the workforce
You mean the number of the workforce? That doesn't come out of the personal crotch of an individual who personally arrived at a philosophical position. Also, you realize you can't just "ban" philosophy, right? You are arriving at a dystopian territory (which, apart from being impossible) is the favorite of liberals á la 1984, and unironically saying that's cool.

>reduces social cohesion
Define social cohesion. Demonstrate how a individuals own beliefs lead to its reduction.

>you so selfishly believe someone else should pick up your slack
Never said that, stop attacking your own figments of imagination. I'm perfectly okay with taxing non-reproducing civilians, and I'm perfectly okay with paying said tax as an anti-natalist, but you realize that when we actually reach communism, there will be no state, and no taxes, right?
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 No.403597

>>403593
>they've resorted to importing migrants
That's a good thing, economically speaking.
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 No.403598

>>403595
If you have to ask these questions you’re clearly too far gone down the hole of liberalism to comprehend the answers
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 No.403599

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>>403594
It's good that africans have kids it's their continent and they get to do what they want with it, same with any other continent on the planet, more human life a better world
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 No.403600

>>403598
>I'm out of responses, you won this round
thank you for your honesty
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 No.403603

>>403599
Call the ghostbusters and Max Stirner because this is 2spooky4me
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 No.403604

>>403595
>You mean the number of the workforce? That doesn't come out of the personal crotch of an individual who personally arrived at a philosophical position. Also, you realize you can't just "ban" philosophy, right? You are arriving at a dystopian territory (which, apart from being impossible) is the favorite of liberals á la 1984, and unironically saying that's cool.
If a person holds the philosophy that having kids is racist or whatever, they will refuse to have kids. Not only that, but they’ll try and convince others not to have kids, creating a social disturbance that disrupts cohesion, which should be self explanatory. And no shit philosophy can be banned, or at least banned from being acted upon. Or do you believe capitalism should be allowed under socialism?

>Never said that, stop attacking your own figments of imagination. I'm perfectly okay with taxing non-reproducing civilians, and I'm perfectly okay with paying said tax as an anti-natalist, but you realize that when we actually reach communism, there will be no state, and no taxes, right?
First off the idea of statelessness is a pipe dream meant to lead along the simple minded until they’re properly conditioned. Under communism the state will be all encompassing, as is desirable. Secondly if you think ideas exist in a vacuum then you clearly don’t understand how the world works. Ideas lead to ideology, which leads to actions
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 No.403628

>>403510
Shit take
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 No.403656

People who deny climate change should be put in the gulag
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 No.403658

>>403604
>thinking bad thoughts and speaking bad word creates social disturbance
You must have such lowly opinion of society if you think that bad words can corrupt it. You wish take the position of the paternalistic protector of society, which would only infantilize it.

Meanwhile, in reality: if somebody is full of shit, people won't be convinced by him. You either fear that the anti-natalist position is true, hence the need to bar them from public discourse – horseshit, from the social body itself, since you wish to execute them – or you believe that anti-natalism is false, but the people constituting society are such lowlifes that they can't think for themselves, so you need to intervene on behalf of them.

It's interesting that it turns out that you are the misanthrope here.

>First off the idea of statelessness is a pipe dream
So you are not a communist then. Be open about being a reactionary, please.

>Under communism the state will be all encompassing
Read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin – anyone, please.

>Ideas lead to ideology, which leads to actions
<bad thoughts lead to temptation, temptation leads to sin, sin leads to hell
Go be an evangelizing idiot somewhere else.
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 No.403723

>>403604
>Secondly if you think ideas exist in a vacuum then you clearly don’t understand how the world works. Ideas lead to ideology, which leads to actions
cringe and not materialist
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 No.403769

>sir you're drowning
>bro don't you know that the human body is 80% water? so what if there's a bit more in my lungs? get owne- glugg lugg lugsdfpfffffhsdfsafhpssstt….
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 No.403790

Climate change is not only man-made, it is being deliberately weaponized and is now one of the ruling elite's favorite weapons of class warfare along multiple fronts, ideologically and materially.
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 No.403810

>>403489
Climate change now is natural because humans are natural. If humans cause an extinction event, then that too is just a natural, possible outcome of Earth life evolution.
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 No.404126

>>403530
>>403563
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 No.404457

>>403563
Maupin knows he's quoted in this article, right?
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 No.404474

Don't care, have less kids anyway because life blows.
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 No.404481

>>404474
Pessimism has zero place in Marxism.
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 No.404518

>>403510
jaja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41llBu0c2fU

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