>>359178>Well, actually yes lying shill, they did. You see, prior to the US President Lyndon Johnson, the USA took a neutral stance on Israel and were leery of Zionism.
Imagine fucking believing this. Yeah, the US, which was literally de facto allied to Israel given the cold war, had a "neutral" stance to it. And it totally only started with Lyndon Johnson, it's not like the US voted first for it's creation or violated the neutrality agreement to smuggle weapons to it in 1948.
>As previously mentioned and ignored by you shill itt, the US President John Kennedy was not a friend of Israel, and issued an ultimatum to Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion demanding that Israel stop it's illegal nuclear weapons program. The 11 months leading up to Kennedy's death were ripe with tension between the US and Israel over Israel's violation of international law at nuclear site Dimona. Let's hear Kennedy's own words on the subject, shall we?
<Prophecy is a Jewish tradition, and the World Zionist movement, in which all of you have played so important a role, has continued this tradition. It has turned the dreams of its leaders into acts of statesmanship. It has converted the hopes of the Jewish people into concrete facts of life.<When the first Zionist conference met in 1897, Palestine was a neglected wasteland. A few scattered Jewish colonies had resettled there, but they had come to die in the Holy Land, rather than to make it live again in greatness. Most of the governments of the world were indifferent.<But now all is changed. Israel became a triumphant and enduring reality exactly 50 years after Theodore Herzl, the prophet of Zionism, had proclaimed the ideal of nationhood. It was the classic case of an ancient dream finding a young leader, for Herzl was then only 37 years of age. Perhaps I may be allowed the observation that the Jewish people - ever since David slew Goliath - have never considered youth as a barrier to leadership, or measured experience and maturity by mere length of days.<I first saw Palestine in 1939. There the neglect and ruin left by centuries of Ottoman misrule were slowly being transformed by miracles of labor and sacrifice. But Palestine was still a land of promise in 1939, rather than a land of fulfillment. I returned in 1951 to see the grandeur of Israel. In 3 years this new state had opened its doors to 600,000 immigrants and refugees. Even while fighting for its own survival, Israel had given new hope to the persecuted and new dignity to the pattern of Jewish life. I left with the conviction that the United Nations may have conferred on Israel the credentials of nationhood; but its own idealism and courage, its own sacrifice and generosity, had earned the credentials of immortality.<Some do not agree. Three weeks ago I said in a public statement: "Israel is here to stay." The next day I was attacked by Cairo radio, rebuking me for my faith in Israel, and quoting this criticism from the Arabic newspaper Al-Gomhouria:<As for the question of the existence and the nonexistence of Israel, Mr. Kennedy says that Israel has been created in order to exist. Time will judge between us, Mr. Kennedy. <I agree. Time will judge whether Israel will continue to exist. But I wish I could be as sure of all my prophecies as I am of my flat prediction that Israel is here to stay.<For Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom; and no area of the world has ever had an overabundance of democracy and freedom.https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/speech-senator-john-f-kennedy-zionists-america-convention-statler-hilton-hotel-new-york-nyAnd it goes on further. This is your "neutral" hero. And Kennedy was not some kind of enemy to Israel even in private, in fact he very much valued the US's relationship with Israel and wishes to maintain it. Dimona was a situation though in which his views on proliferation came into conflict, and even then the "tension" was a bunch of discussions on the matter, with Kennedy trying to manuver in a way which prevented nuclear weapons, but still maintained the US's relationship with Israel. At no point was there an actual meaningful threat in the slightest, and in fact Kennedy came to actually believe that the situation had been resolved and the Israelis were just engaging in energy production now, as that's what he received from the CIA. The idea that Kennedy was some kind of anti-Israel crusader is absurd, he fully was on its side, but just wished it to tone it done with the nukes, because that was his global policy in the area in question.
>The USA was not a partner in Israel's colonization or illegal arms manufacturing program until JFK died, That's just a flat out lie. The US literally smuggled weapons in 1948, and continually implicitly supported it's actions by talking it's side in opposition to the USSRs presence in the region.
>and the corrupt Lyndon Johnson replaced him. Johnson was a bribe taker who escalated the war in Vietnam, and condoned Israel's use of force against Egypt, even going so far as to dismiss the USS Liberty attack, the first instance of a US President truly cucking to Israel. Johnson also dropped Kennedy's measures to contain the Israeli nuclear proliferation, and Israel got nuclear weapons under Johnson's tacit approval in 1965. If you didn't take notice, the US government isn't it's President. Again, you have the most naive takes on political systems. Kennedy was as much a cuck as Johnson, just with a bit more caution in the mix. But in terms of imperialism, Zionism, and capitalist warmongering, Kennedy still:
- Began early escalation in Vietnam in his support of the South Vietnamese (Yes, Kennedy did this first)
- Supported the Bay of Pigs
- Placed nuclear weapons in Turkey and greatly increased the capability of the UKs nuclear missile program against the Soviets
- South Korean dictator Ngo Dinh Diem
- Orchestrated the Brazilian Coup
- Literally initiated the creation of security ties with Israel
- Is literally credited as the founder of the US-Israeli military alliance
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Fucking ended the arms embargo previous administrations had placed on Israel- Extended the USs security gurantees with Israel and sold it advanced US weaponry
- Stabilized settlements in Israel
Do I have to go on, or do you get the picture yet?
>Fast forward to the Bush administration if you will- by this time, most of the presidential appointments were given to Zionists, most of those being Jews. These men like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Zakheim, and others were rapid imperialists during the 1990s, and tried unsuccessfully to convince American President Clinton to invade Iraq. What was their motives for wanted a war with Iraq in 1996, if not Zionist objectives? 9/11 was 5 years in the distant future, and Saddam Hussein didn't possess nuclear capabilities that could threaten US cities. Are you actually fucking doing apologism for the Clintons now? You actually believe that? Any apprehension Clinton might have had wasn't because he didn't want to, he would if he could. He just saw it as tactically improper for the time. And Iraq was never about "nuclear weapons" or any weapons of mass destruction for that matter. Their "capabilities" was not the focus, their focus was that Hussein was becoming an issue for them in the middle east overall, and the war before had shown that it would be better to nip it in the bud now then later. Did you seriously buy that horseshit about weapons? It was all imperialism, in both removing somebody who had a history of getting involved where they shouldn't, and also seizing their resources for themselves in the context of a post-ussr world, as Iraq now had no one to lean on.
>It is no exaggeration to claim that the US government is filled with Zionists, be it Jews or non-Jews. Yes they do Israel's bidding while ignoring their own people. Yes they terrorize people in the Muslim world that then drives Islamic terrorism to strike Americans. Yes this is all the fault of Zionism, which owes its success to the Holocaust Industry. FaggotI don't doubt the US government has Zionists in it, I never disputed that. But no, this is not solely the fault of the zionists. The US always ignored its own people, it always terrorized the 3rd world and engaged in rampant act of imperialism. It doesn't do the bidding of Israel, and such a statement almost seems to purposefully be made to absolve the US of blame. Rather, the US and Israel act symbiotically, the capitalists of own gaining from the act of capitalists on another. Two bourgeoisie states acting in tandem to pursue their interests. This is a fact Islamic militants have known for a long time, with Hezbollah stating knowingly that the US is the dominant of the two. The terrorism that the US deals with is terrorism of it's own making, whether that be related to Israel or not. The idea that all of the imperialist ventures of the US are all simply the fault of ideology of Zionism is a completely anti-materialist and idealistic take, even more so the idea that Zionism merely aquired it's success from the Holocaust industry, and not it's actual imperialist connections. In the end, it's the mechanism of the economic system that moves things, not fanciful ideology. The US is imperialist because that's what capitalism inevetiably results in, Zionism or not. Israel would not be where it was if it did not, at its very base, benefit the bourgeoisie states which permit it.
Faggot.