/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>358936
>And this is another charade designed to bolster the Holocaust industry- "surely you must be a Nazi if you challenge Le Grande Holocaust".
No, it's because you deny the Holocaust outright. Not that you question Israel's use, not that you question the industry around it, you flat of deny it ever occured. If you're not a Nazi, you're at the very least an apologist for them.
>Do you know who Norman Finkelstein is faggot? Do you know that Finkelstein's career in academia was ruined by one rabid Zionist and Trump crony by the name of Alan Dershowitz? Finkelstein's most read book is called the Holocaust Industry, and exposes many of the same quack concepts and hoaxes that appear itt. Finkelstein is a progressive supporter of the Palestinians, and as such is persona non grata in academic institutions and media circles within his own country. You're perpetuating the holy grail of capitalist groupthink, the one that can end a professor's career if dare challenge it.
You retarded unread pseud. Nowhere, not once, does Finkelstein deny the Holocaust. He never states the Nazis weren't exterminating Jews. He never states that the whole thing was fabricated, that it was actually just all deportations and that the millions lost were just manufactured from thin air. No, he argue that the INDUSTRY is an issue, that ZIONISM is the issue, you dishonest fucking rat. Finkelstein's literal reasoning for being against what Israel is doing in Palestine is because of the Holocaust. It's because he lost family in it, because his parents taught him that such things should be abhorred regardless of who does it. The Holocaust doesn't make him support Israel, it makes him against it, because he's fucking consistent instead of hypocrite on the subject. For him what, they are doing is it's own holocaust, and must be opposed.
>Zionists don't see a difference between Holocaust worship and colonization of Palestine - they're both just extensions of the ethnocentrism that drives their ideology. The fact that you willing adopt half of the Zionist's most important foundation for justifying torture and killing means you're not a threat to them. You're an ally whether you realize it or not.
It isn't adopting half uyghur, its understanding it occured while also taking a complete stance against Israel despite, or even because of it. If ethnocentric Armenians started comitting their own genocide tomorrow on their own minorites while using the Armenian genocide as their argument, I wouldn't be "adopting half" of their ideology because I conceded that such a genocide occured. What stupid logic is that? And we went over this earlier, Israel doesn't get away with it because it tells it's allies holocaust stories, you naive midwit. It gets away with it because in the end, its allies have no issue with what it does as long it fulfills it's needed role. Same with Saudi Arabia, same with India, same with everywhere else. The idea that believing the Holocaust happened puts you on their side would mean that the PFLP, people who literally fight Israel on the ground, are actually on the side of Zionists because they don't deny the Holocaust, while Breivik, someone who has no issue with Zionism and takes their side in the "war against Islam" depsite likely questioning the Holocaust himself, isn't. That's stupid as fuck.
>>358944
>Lol, I don't have to read the context, I can just post wojaks and my argument is made!
I'm going to take that as you conceding the overall point, because you lacked an argument to the actual substance of it. Read next time, the rest of the book goes into how he in no way fabricated or made up what he stated. The singular sentence was edited though because people kept missing his words and not reading the whole thing, and so to make the paragraph have context in itself, it was adjusted. Maybe if you didn't lie to people about it, it would ln't have had to in order for the English to not be misused. Things are also edited all the time to make it understandable in a modern context, many publications of antiquated works do this as well.

>>358943
>Who's doing this in this thread? No seriously, tell me who's doing this?
Oh, just every Jewish group up until recently. You can find deniers itt if you look for them idiot.
The Anti Defamation League lobbied the US Congress for years to not recognize the 1.5 million deaths from the Armenian Genocide. Israel considers Armenians to be subhuman, the same way Germany viewed your ancestors. Israel deals arms to Azerbaijan, which helped defeat Armenia in last year's war.

>>358975
every *zionist group, which is the pertinent fact. however you are a nazi and cannot help but racebait when cornered. zionists get laughed off this board every day, you use their example to flame us?

>>358967
>The 6 million figure was decided upon long before the war had even ended, and was being promoted by Jewish media as early as January 1944. Yad Vashem, in their attempts at proving a hypothesis based on an arbitrary number went so far as to count dead people twice. Even that failed to reach the intended target. You are full of shit when you claim deniers are stuck on the 6 million number, as Israel's top institution for Holocaust study forges their way to meet the goal.
You want to post the rest of that, or am I forced to? Fine then:
<How did Unger know about the outcome of the Holocaust in real time, before the killing had ended? “At the time the number 6 million was the accepted number of European Jews,” says Rappel. He found reinforcement for his claim in other newspapers, where they warned of the fate of “6 million Jews,” even after Unger had spoken
This is entirely consistent with the written reporting regarding the number of Jews in Eastern Europe at the time, which was estimated at around 6 million before even WW2. Ungers use of the numbers was absolutely personally and ideologically motivated, but the number he used didn't come from nowhere. It was just him reiterating his view (which wasn't even shared by other Zionists or Jews) that all the Jews in Eastern Europe had perished, and only gained limited traction near the end. Even then, after the war you had the Nazis admitting to a similar figure, though completely different in it's make-up (not being all of Eastern Europe, but a mix of Europe and Eastern Europe together in total). Yad Vashem is also not the authority on all calculations, and even then they arrived at a figure about 5 million after duplicates were removed, which entirely matches up with what other calculation later on found. As stated multiple times before, which apparently you can't get through your thick skull, the number is not exactly 6 million. Rather it's approximately 6 million, which is based on the number being somewhere between 5 million and 7 million, and the number itself being "sticky" because of the trial in which that's the number admitted to. If wanted to get specific, you could say 5.9 million, but in reality that makes little difference for either anti-Zionists or Zionists. You haven't actually shown how such an approximation is incorrect, you've just once again tried to bring up Zionists doing something, which fails to affect the actual separate calculations done by others.

>>358975
>Oh, just every Jewish group up until recently. You can find deniers itt if you look for them idiot.
No, show me fucking where. Practically everybody in this thread has done no such thing, and just treats the Holocaust as one genocide in a long line of European imperialist genocides. Where in this thread, outside of the Ottoman falseflagger (or /pol/yp, take your pick) who denied both the Armenian genocide and the Holocaust both, did any anon deny other genocides because of the Holocaust?
>The Anti Defamation League lobbied the US Congress for years to not recognize the 1.5 million deaths from the Armenian Genocide. Israel considers Armenians to be subhuman, the same way Germany viewed your ancestors. Israel deals arms to Azerbaijan, which helped defeat Armenia in last year's war.
I'm not Jewish or even Slavic you fag, if that's what you're trying to imply by the German comment. I know very well about Israel's dealings and it's history of denial, nowhere did I deny such. What you stated completely ignored my point, which is that no one here is denying such genocides because of the Holocaust, which you seem adament in peddling.
>Inb4 muh holodomor
We don't "deny" that because of the Holocaust, it just didn't happen and multiple historians have had to concede that due to the Soviets making frequent attempts to prevent starvation of Ukrainians while explicitly not having any ethnic bias against them in any capacity.

Real reasons :

Boomers losing cultural influence.
Many generations passing since the war.
Dissolution of common values in western society.
Elimination of privilege includes all privilege, including Jewish privilege.

>>359027
None of this seems like a reason to straight up deny it though, just to treat it like one of many European genocides.

>>359031
It has more to do with culture than you think.

In the 70s 80s and 90s, when western society was strong and not as divided, denying the Holocaust was pretty much unthinkable. With widespread internet access, wealth inequality and social division, people start looking for alternative worldviews and narratives.

>>359031
Grandpa in the nursing home says the Holocaust happened.

Young person thinks 'wow, old people and their beliefs are uncool.' Thus denying genocides becomes an act of youthful rebellion.

>>358970
>dishonest fucking rat
Where did I say that Finkelstein denies the holocaust Schmueli? Hmm? Go on, tell me. The world's most prolific liars are now accusing others of being liars. Well, isn't that just predicable? That liars would accuse others of lying, thieves accuse others of thievery, and genocide promoters accuse others of genocide should not surprise us, yet it does surprise even the most seasoned veteran of dealing with the world's biggest liars. The ones who lied coerced the USA into war with Iraq, which killed 2 million (more than le Hokeycaust?), the ones who then lied about Syria to get the next American president to start a war, and the ones who are now hellbent in lying in order to get America to defeat the government of Iran for them. You are a worthless sniveling cowardly sack of shit stuck to the bottom of mankind's foot that it can't shake or pry loose. Lie again faggot, go ahead.

>>359031
the youth always rise.
Saturn cannot devour his sons in time

>>359045
generation zyklon isn't happening. There has always been a group of contrarians for just about everything. Sometimes it's good, and in this case it's just fags wanting to be too clever for thou.

>>359031
gen zyklon = alt right cope. The truth involves GenZedong and China's global exportation of Maoism.

>>359049
>Where did I say that Finkelstein denies the holocaust Schmueli? Hmm? Go on, tell me.
Again, not Jewish, and you tried to utilize his points in regards to the Holocaust industry itself and an argument against the Holocaust itself, which Finkelstein himself would find abhorrent.
>The world's most prolific liars are now accusing others of being liars. Well, isn't that just predicable?
Where did I lie, and who do you think I'm a part of that makes me one of the "world's most prolific liars"? You also did straight up multiple times in this thread.
>That liars would accuse others of lying, thieves accuse others of thievery, and genocide promoters accuse others of genocide should not surprise us, yet it does surprise even the most seasoned veteran of dealing with the world's biggest liars.
Where have I lied, where have I stolen, and where have I promoted genocide?
>The ones who lied coerced the USA into war with Iraq, which killed 2 million (more than le Hokeycaust?), the ones who then lied about Syria to get the next American president to start a war, and the ones who are now hellbent in lying in order to get America to defeat the government of Iran for them. You are a worthless sniveling cowardly sack of shit stuck to the bottom of mankind's foot that it can't shake or pry loose. Lie again faggot, go ahead.
Yeah, because the US did all those things just because of Israel. Not because the US has a long history of imperialist ventures, oh no. The US is an innocent child who's only been led astray by the Zionists in it's moments of weakness. It's not like Israel is a beachhead of US imperialism, that they collaborate consistently to achieve both their goals, and that such a view is one held by the PFLP, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Oh wait, it is? Well, I guess all of those groups are just Zionist shills, working on behalf of Israel to sow lies while they… fight Israel? Hmm. Yeah, something doesn't seem right there.

If you haven't payed attention fag, I'm vehemently against Israel. I was probably against Israel before you even stepped into the fucking subject of Zionism for the first time. I, quite literally, want the entirety of the state of Israel gone and the US government as well as much of the governments of Europe that support it wiped off the face of the earth. Don't call anyone a coward when your arguments are almost entirely predicated on America being just an innocent bystander that gets roped into something by others, that way you run from the need to actually oppose it. I've been consistent in my opposition to the imperialist west as a whole, have you?

>>359083
*tried to utilize his points in regards to the Holocaust industry itself as an argument against the Holocaust itself
*Also, you did straight up lie multiple times in this thread

>>359083
>*Also, you did straight up lie multiple times in this thread
Thank you. The long-winded shill is a liar and can't answer a single simple question without turning it into an essay, whereby he regurgitates the Zionist lobby's talking points.

>>359131
>Thank you. The long-winded shill is a liar and can't answer a single simple question without turning it into an essay, whereby he regurgitates the Zionist lobby's talking points.
You're talking about the denier, right?

>>359083
>Yeah, because the US did all those things just because of Israel.
Well, actually yes lying shill, they did. You see, prior to the US President Lyndon Johnson, the USA took a neutral stance on Israel and were leery of Zionism. As previously mentioned and ignored by you shill itt, the US President John Kennedy was not a friend of Israel, and issued an ultimatum to Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion demanding that Israel stop it's illegal nuclear weapons program. The 11 months leading up to Kennedy's death were ripe with tension between the US and Israel over Israel's violation of international law at nuclear site Dimona. The USA was not a partner in Israel's colonization or illegal arms manufacturing program until JFK died, and the corrupt Lyndon Johnson replaced him. Johnson was a bribe taker who escalated the war in Vietnam, and condoned Israel's use of force against Egypt, even going so far as to dismiss the USS Liberty attack, the first instance of a US President truly cucking to Israel. Johnson also dropped Kennedy's measures to contain the Israeli nuclear proliferation, and Israel got nuclear weapons under Johnson's tacit approval in 1965.

Fast forward to the Bush administration if you will- by this time, most of the presidential appointments were given to Zionists, most of those being Jews. These men like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Zakheim, and others were rapid imperialists during the 1990s, and tried unsuccessfully to convince American President Clinton to invade Iraq. What was their motives for wanted a war with Iraq in 1996, if not Zionist objectives? 9/11 was 5 years in the distant future, and Saddam Hussein didn't possess nuclear capabilities that could threaten US cities.
It is no exaggeration to claim that the US government is filled with Zionists, be it Jews or non-Jews. Yes they do Israel's bidding while ignoring their own people. Yes they terrorize people in the Muslim world that then drives Islamic terrorism to strike Americans. Yes this is all the fault of Zionism, which owes its success to the Holocaust Industry. Faggot.

>>359190
It's all about the Benjamins baby. Who wouldn't lie for a share of the $trillions$ that Germany has doled out? Answer that. Would you lie if there were millions of dollars in it for you personally?

>>358944
Yes you sniveling faggot, the meaning of the sentence is the exact same regardless of which phrase is used. The context and intention of the quote is absolutely impossible to read the way deniers present it. It is a bold-faced intentional lie. Either you are an outright liar or weak-minded brainlet quoteminer, which is it? “Truth does not fear investigation”, isn’t what you rodents like to say?

>>359178
>Well, actually yes lying shill, they did. You see,
prior to the US President Lyndon Johnson, the USA took a neutral stance on Israel and were leery of Zionism.
Imagine fucking believing this. Yeah, the US, which was literally de facto allied to Israel given the cold war, had a "neutral" stance to it. And it totally only started with Lyndon Johnson, it's not like the US voted first for it's creation or violated the neutrality agreement to smuggle weapons to it in 1948.
>As previously mentioned and ignored by you shill itt, the US President John Kennedy was not a friend of Israel, and issued an ultimatum to Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion demanding that Israel stop it's illegal nuclear weapons program. The 11 months leading up to Kennedy's death were ripe with tension between the US and Israel over Israel's violation of international law at nuclear site Dimona.
Let's hear Kennedy's own words on the subject, shall we?
<Prophecy is a Jewish tradition, and the World Zionist movement, in which all of you have played so important a role, has continued this tradition. It has turned the dreams of its leaders into acts of statesmanship. It has converted the hopes of the Jewish people into concrete facts of life.
<When the first Zionist conference met in 1897, Palestine was a neglected wasteland. A few scattered Jewish colonies had resettled there, but they had come to die in the Holy Land, rather than to make it live again in greatness. Most of the governments of the world were indifferent.
<But now all is changed. Israel became a triumphant and enduring reality exactly 50 years after Theodore Herzl, the prophet of Zionism, had proclaimed the ideal of nationhood. It was the classic case of an ancient dream finding a young leader, for Herzl was then only 37 years of age. Perhaps I may be allowed the observation that the Jewish people - ever since David slew Goliath - have never considered youth as a barrier to leadership, or measured experience and maturity by mere length of days.
<I first saw Palestine in 1939. There the neglect and ruin left by centuries of Ottoman misrule were slowly being transformed by miracles of labor and sacrifice. But Palestine was still a land of promise in 1939, rather than a land of fulfillment. I returned in 1951 to see the grandeur of Israel. In 3 years this new state had opened its doors to 600,000 immigrants and refugees. Even while fighting for its own survival, Israel had given new hope to the persecuted and new dignity to the pattern of Jewish life. I left with the conviction that the United Nations may have conferred on Israel the credentials of nationhood; but its own idealism and courage, its own sacrifice and generosity, had earned the credentials of immortality.
<Some do not agree. Three weeks ago I said in a public statement: "Israel is here to stay." The next day I was attacked by Cairo radio, rebuking me for my faith in Israel, and quoting this criticism from the Arabic newspaper Al-Gomhouria:
<As for the question of the existence and the nonexistence of Israel, Mr. Kennedy says that Israel has been created in order to exist. Time will judge between us, Mr. Kennedy.
<I agree. Time will judge whether Israel will continue to exist. But I wish I could be as sure of all my prophecies as I am of my flat prediction that Israel is here to stay.
<For Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom; and no area of the world has ever had an overabundance of democracy and freedom.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/speech-senator-john-f-kennedy-zionists-america-convention-statler-hilton-hotel-new-york-ny
And it goes on further. This is your "neutral" hero. And Kennedy was not some kind of enemy to Israel even in private, in fact he very much valued the US's relationship with Israel and wishes to maintain it. Dimona was a situation though in which his views on proliferation came into conflict, and even then the "tension" was a bunch of discussions on the matter, with Kennedy trying to manuver in a way which prevented nuclear weapons, but still maintained the US's relationship with Israel. At no point was there an actual meaningful threat in the slightest, and in fact Kennedy came to actually believe that the situation had been resolved and the Israelis were just engaging in energy production now, as that's what he received from the CIA. The idea that Kennedy was some kind of anti-Israel crusader is absurd, he fully was on its side, but just wished it to tone it done with the nukes, because that was his global policy in the area in question.
>The USA was not a partner in Israel's colonization or illegal arms manufacturing program until JFK died,
That's just a flat out lie. The US literally smuggled weapons in 1948, and continually implicitly supported it's actions by talking it's side in opposition to the USSRs presence in the region.
>and the corrupt Lyndon Johnson replaced him. Johnson was a bribe taker who escalated the war in Vietnam, and condoned Israel's use of force against Egypt, even going so far as to dismiss the USS Liberty attack, the first instance of a US President truly cucking to Israel. Johnson also dropped Kennedy's measures to contain the Israeli nuclear proliferation, and Israel got nuclear weapons under Johnson's tacit approval in 1965.
If you didn't take notice, the US government isn't it's President. Again, you have the most naive takes on political systems. Kennedy was as much a cuck as Johnson, just with a bit more caution in the mix. But in terms of imperialism, Zionism, and capitalist warmongering, Kennedy still:
- Began early escalation in Vietnam in his support of the South Vietnamese (Yes, Kennedy did this first)
- Supported the Bay of Pigs
- Placed nuclear weapons in Turkey and greatly increased the capability of the UKs nuclear missile program against the Soviets
- South Korean dictator Ngo Dinh Diem
- Orchestrated the Brazilian Coup
- Literally initiated the creation of security ties with Israel
- Is literally credited as the founder of the US-Israeli military alliance
- Fucking ended the arms embargo previous administrations had placed on Israel
- Extended the USs security gurantees with Israel and sold it advanced US weaponry
- Stabilized settlements in Israel
Do I have to go on, or do you get the picture yet?
>Fast forward to the Bush administration if you will- by this time, most of the presidential appointments were given to Zionists, most of those being Jews. These men like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Zakheim, and others were rapid imperialists during the 1990s, and tried unsuccessfully to convince American President Clinton to invade Iraq. What was their motives for wanted a war with Iraq in 1996, if not Zionist objectives? 9/11 was 5 years in the distant future, and Saddam Hussein didn't possess nuclear capabilities that could threaten US cities.
Are you actually fucking doing apologism for the Clintons now? You actually believe that? Any apprehension Clinton might have had wasn't because he didn't want to, he would if he could. He just saw it as tactically improper for the time. And Iraq was never about "nuclear weapons" or any weapons of mass destruction for that matter. Their "capabilities" was not the focus, their focus was that Hussein was becoming an issue for them in the middle east overall, and the war before had shown that it would be better to nip it in the bud now then later. Did you seriously buy that horseshit about weapons? It was all imperialism, in both removing somebody who had a history of getting involved where they shouldn't, and also seizing their resources for themselves in the context of a post-ussr world, as Iraq now had no one to lean on.
>It is no exaggeration to claim that the US government is filled with Zionists, be it Jews or non-Jews. Yes they do Israel's bidding while ignoring their own people. Yes they terrorize people in the Muslim world that then drives Islamic terrorism to strike Americans. Yes this is all the fault of Zionism, which owes its success to the Holocaust Industry. Faggot
I don't doubt the US government has Zionists in it, I never disputed that. But no, this is not solely the fault of the zionists. The US always ignored its own people, it always terrorized the 3rd world and engaged in rampant act of imperialism. It doesn't do the bidding of Israel, and such a statement almost seems to purposefully be made to absolve the US of blame. Rather, the US and Israel act symbiotically, the capitalists of own gaining from the act of capitalists on another. Two bourgeoisie states acting in tandem to pursue their interests. This is a fact Islamic militants have known for a long time, with Hezbollah stating knowingly that the US is the dominant of the two. The terrorism that the US deals with is terrorism of it's own making, whether that be related to Israel or not. The idea that all of the imperialist ventures of the US are all simply the fault of ideology of Zionism is a completely anti-materialist and idealistic take, even more so the idea that Zionism merely aquired it's success from the Holocaust industry, and not it's actual imperialist connections. In the end, it's the mechanism of the economic system that moves things, not fanciful ideology. The US is imperialist because that's what capitalism inevetiably results in, Zionism or not. Israel would not be where it was if it did not, at its very base, benefit the bourgeoisie states which permit it.

Faggot.

>>359255
>And it totally only started with Lyndon Johnson, it's not like the US voted first for it's creation
I'll clarify this, because I know it's going to come up, the US was the first to recognize the provisional government of Israel. The USSR just recognized it as a state after everyone else in the west recognized the governments control and they moved towards that of recognizing it as a state.
Also, some typos (ignoring the first quote not green texting properly)
*and wished to maintain it
*rampant acts of imperialism
*the capitalists of one gaining from the acts of capitalists of another
*simply the fault of the ideology
*it's the mechanisms
*inevitably results in

>>360978
>Thailand is both capitalist and non-imperialist. So are Mexico, Australia, and Iceland.
Literally two of those you mentioned have engaged in or aided imperialist ventures. In the case of Thailand and Mexico, both of these are imperialized countries, so their position is that of ones already functioning for imperialists. It is quite difficult for them to perpetuate imperialism themselves in their condition. But did I not say inevitably? If they were to occupy a different economic position, they would absolutely be drivin by the mechanisms of capitalism to commit imperialism at some point to suit growth and profit.
>But those countries don't have a large Jewish population to speak of.
Again, two imperialized, and two imperialists/beneficiaries of imperialism.
>It's a logical fallacy to attempt to draw paint American foreign policy as a linear trajectory of imperialism that wouldn't have changed regardless of Zionism.
No, it's really not when you actually study US history and the trajectory of imperialist capitalism. Do you really think the US wasn't engaging in imperialism prior to Israel? Are you that historically illiterate? And have you not read Lenin? From what you're stating, it seems like all your posturing about the USSR was nothing more then a dishonest attempt to "appeal" to our sensibilities, because you don't have a lick of Marxist-Leninst theory to you.
>The failures of US intervention in Cuba, Vietnam, and central America had soured the American public's stomach on imperialist wars
No, they really hadn't, not at the time and especially not in terms of Cuba and Central America. If you're are going to take this discussion to further points in time, then you concede that the US was acting as such even before.
>and so Zio scum needed to distract America into adopting their imperialist agenda.
The US government was already on Baird you buffoon. The US was constantly engaging in imperialism, you just don't care about it because all their imperialist activity doesn't suit the narrative you're trying to construct. Not the genocides in Indonesia or the destabilization of South America. Nope, the only time the US ever perpetuated imperialism on a massive scale was from Israel. Again, who are you lying to?
>9/11 gave the Zio scum the raw materials that they would twist and manipulate into tacit approval from the American public to stage war on nation states in the Middle East, under the guise of dire 'national security' needs.
Holy shit, why do you always take things at face value? The government didn't get involved in the middle east because Israel whispered in the need for "national security". It got involved because it both needed a way to rally the US public away from the domestic issues it was facing and the long coming fuck up it had created by aiding the mujahideen against the Soviets, and a way to incorporate major capitalist resource markets in the middle east. Literally the first thing the US did after deploying I Afghanistan for example was to immediately seize and continually patrol oil and poppy fields. Oil for obvious reasons, to put a grip on supply. Poppy fields for opium. No matter what the US will tell you about it "drug war" in the region, opium production increased 30-fold in Afghanistan. Now the US has an opioid crisis, and companies are pumping opioids like no tomorrow with doctors at the behest of pharmaceutical companies prescribing them by the dozen for even the most innocuous of injuries and complaints. Interesting that, huh?
>The 1990s proved that America never would have went along with the this plan had 9/11 not occurred.
The 1990s proves that the US was willing but cautious, and needed a way to either pull it off clandestinely or something to rally people to do it directly. The 1990s entirely proved that things of such scale were on the table, as seen in myriad of the USs interventions post the collapse of the USSR. Or did you forget what happend in Yugoslavia? Or Panama? Or Haiti? Or Somalia? Or Sudan? Or Afghanistan, years before the public war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda had ever started?
>And we know the CIA and Mossad warned the White House of the impending attack before it happened, which fell on deaf, or perhaps complacent ears.
Seems rather stupid if they wanted it to go off without any hitch. The reality is that the US received something that had been coming it's way for years, a boomerang that was entirely of it's orgin and had cultivated to initially fight an enemy that was now dead. A boomerang that had come at a time of preexisting unrest, of troubles in a country that had begun to froment. It's entirely likely that the US knew some major catastrophe was on the horizon, but either they thought themselves unassailable and untouchable in the years following the fall of the USSR, or more maliciously but still likely, hoped something would make its way through the channels to "ameliorate" it's current woes. One more thing. A lot of the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 are "fnords" that are intended to make the actual banal points sound absurd by association. One of those "points" being that of the pilots, none of them were from Iraq or Afghanistan. They were all from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, US allies. And that's not something that you want to be passed around in common discussion when you're trying to keep that alliance going, now do you?

You have a tendency to keep moving the discussion away from the initial point made, and we've carried this long enough that you've so backtracked from you're intial argument, that you aren't even arguing in regards to whether the Holocaust occured or not. You can't even defend your poster boy Kennedy, so what even are you going to stand on anon? What do you even have to argue, when all your arguments are nothing more then that of misdirection and subject shifting?

>>353015
https://archive.org/details/DavidColeInAuschwitz
https://archive.org/details/TheGreatestStoryNeverToldAdolfHitlerTheFullDocumentary
It's all you need to understand.

>>364105
>The Nazis didn't do nuffin, it was everyone else at fault!!!
The millions of survivors argument makes no sense as there have generally been millions still left after many genocides in the past, Zyklon (or more generally hydrogen cyanide) was well known even before the Nazis as being effective in killing people either as a weapon of war or as a method of execution and isn't an argument regardless as most people weren't killed by gas, the Americans destroying supply lines doesn't negate the fact that the Nazis placed them there to begin with and did not care if they lived or died in a broader context as well as there being overwhelming proof of the execution and purposeful immiseration of Jews and other undesirables as they made their way through Eastern Europe, and prisoners dying while under allied care after being liberated from camps where they were dying is not an argument. "The Greatest Story Never Told" just outright fabricates things in terms of Nazi Germany outside of the Holocaust and lacks concrete sourcing to the vast majority of its claims (economic policy being one), and arguements similar to the ones Cole makes have already been addressed in full in this thread.

Kill yourself uyghur, the Nazis were faggots regardless of the Holocaust or not, even in terms of domestic policy outside of race.

>>353067

ngl i respect the people who are like "yeah we killed them, they were rats and deserved it" more than the denier types, at least they're consistant

>>353021
>the same nazi paradox
>>353015

No the best part is if you let Nazis run with holocaust denial and accept it then watch them collapse in never ending self contradictions that they create.

Here is the neo-Nazi self contradiction
1) Israel can not be allowed to exist
2) We must get rid of the jews
3) holocaust denial

Here is the self contradiction ask the Nazi what his idea for solving the jew problem is then what are you supposed to do with the jews?


The Nazi will enter endless self contradictions at this point.
Since you realize that the best solution is to simply ship all jews to Israel and deport them to Israel.
They can not answer what to do with the jews.

There are 2 theories here
1) Nazis are really stupid and this stops them.
2) They don't want to say this because of PR or fear.

Basically option 2 is
>The holocaust never happened and I must spend all day denying it
>However lets exterminate the jews for real when we get into power !

Some more dumber nazis let this slip form their talking points. Only if they plan on exterminating the jews ….
WHY ?!
THE FUCK ?!
ARE !
THEY !
OBSESSED !
WITH !
SPAMMING HOLOCAUST DENIAL ALL DAY !!!!!! ?????

>>353052
>Ask yourself this. If the

Here is the real answer
NO
ONE
GIVES
A
SHIT !
(Nihilism, philosophy)

People where exterminated in all places and times and will be in the future. If it was fabricated or not is irrelevant to our lives. The only ones obsessed over it are holocaust fetishists so Zionists and Nazis.

Can we talk about important things now? Like solving our problems or our current situation ?

>>353095
>MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM GENOCIDE WITHIN THE PAST 200 YEARS THAN EVERYONE THAT HAS DIED TO EVERY WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY
Correct !
Only here is the thing you don't get its because of rising population levels.

Tell me if there are 10K humans on the entire planet …. How the fuck can you kill more then 10K or even 1 million ? Even if you kill every human and then kill yourself its impossible to kill that many people.

Here is also a fun fact some ancient wars killed less then we have from deaths from cars today. And if humans colonize the galaxy (do the numbers yourself) yearly deaths for accidents will be greater then all genocides of the XX century combined.

BECAUSE THIS IS HOW NUMBERS WORK !
The global population of humans increased without even a dent. All the deaths of the XX century all of its wars are FACTUALLY practically literally nothing !

All the genocides of the XX century and all of it wars are not different from a couple of teenage girls having a pillow fight.

>Nooo the deaths
And if you move your muscles you also kill weak cells in your body.

If Germany lost WW 1 and WW 2 how the fuck does Germany still exist ?! Wars are literally teenage girls having pillow fights.

If the holocaust was so terrible why do jew still exist? This shit does not even register on any scale as bad.

Prehistoric wars where wars of extermination and the people exterminated in them simply don't exist not in history and not in memory. They are no more !

>>355415

Good post only
> holocaust denial,
This is a Zionist word ! The holocaust only talks about JEW and the extermination of JEWs its a trick.
6 Million Slavs where exterminated by Hitler (3 Million Pols and 3 Million Uranians)

>>355415

Good post only you have fallen for a Zionist trick.
>holocaust denial
>a lot more than just the jews were murdered in the holocaust
The holocaust only refers to the extermination of the jews so there can never be a non jewish holocaust.

Hitler exterminated 6 million Slavs
(3 million Pols and 3 million Ukrainians)
And 6 million jews a total of 12 million.

We should stop talking about the holocaust and start talking about Hitlers extermination victims not the holocaust, since its a subset (50%) of Hitlers extermination.

>>376903
they should really be backing Israel to the hilt since that country is basically /pol/ in real life

>>376964
>is basically /pol/ in real life

Reminds me of the joke
>Quick fellow whites ! Lets race mix ! The jews are opposed to race mixing !
And
>Quick fellow whites ! lets import more migrants the jews want a ethnostate we must do the opposite of what the jews do.

> is basically /pol/ in real life

There is admiration for what Israel is doing on /pol/ FYI.

>they should really be backing Israel
The point is that shipping all jews to Israel is far more easy to sell to jews and everyone today then building extermination camps. Its the easy mode solution to getting jews out of your country.

What is the alternative? Ship jews ? To where? According to /pol/ jews are pure evil so they will be destroying that place. Also far more hard to sell then sending jews to their home country.

This really shuts down nazis and they can not coherently argue at this point.
I mean Hitler and the Nazis where crucial in creating Israel itself so there is another fountain of endless LOLZ for the modern neo-Nazis not to be confused to the OG-Nazis of WW2.


You must understand this self contradiction exists because neo-Nazis are cultivated on propaganda propaganda who contradicts one another. For example the modern neo-Nazi movement is basically Hezbollah and Palestinian propaganda they LARP Nazis online and tell right wing kids to hate Israel since Hezbollah and Palestinians can not win a war with Israel so they try to meme kids over the internet into hating Israel.

Left wing kids get:
>Israel is a racist state ! Give back land to Palestine YES.
Right wing kids get:
>(warmed up Hitlerism) Jews are the most evil creatures and control the world, therefore Israel is evil ! Give back land to Palestine YES.

Its all so simple to understand.

>>376927
Sort yourself out mate, human beings are not just statistics. It's not okay to slaughter just because the species will survive.

>>376988
> It's not okay to slaughter just because the species will survive.

So jews don't exist today ? Are jews extinct ? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Jews where not exterminated out of existence in WW2.
Jews exist today in 2021.
Here are facts for you.
How is the Jewish population today? Little change? See the point ?!

>It's not okay to slaughter
Now you are in cope mode, you where indoctrinated into the religion of the
<WW2 wars and/or genocides are so terrible
Probably by a christian who then wanted to follow that one up with
<This is because we abandoned god

>It's not okay to slaughter
The original argument was about numbers. That one got debunked fast now you are moral fagging.

>It's not okay to slaughter
Get a grip on yourself ! In ancient times there are nations who where exterminated and ZERO people from that nation survived ZERO. Yet the holocaust is so terrible because the jewish race quite literally got a hard kick in the ass from Hitler? While other races where LITERALLY exterminated out of existence and are dead ?

Do you know how many cells die in your body when you get kicked in the ass ? Really hit hard ? This is your argument.

>>376988
>human beings are not just statistics.
<Noo stop using facts and numbers to prove more facts
<The holocaust is the worst thing in history ever because because it simply is !

People who get indoctrinated by Zionists like this really need to learn to wake up.

>>377002
Are you a nutter or what? Nobody claimed the Jews were wiped out by the holocaust, also it's a bit gauche to say what is 'the worst thing in history' but arguably Generalplan Ost was worse and killed more people.

And yeah, races or peoples have been completely exterminated from the world before, does that mean we should repeat that just because it already happened?

>>377006
You can accept that the holocaust happened and was bad without being a zionist FFS.

>>376951
Thing is, the world doesnt care at all about the slavocaust.

>>377025
It's definitely a bit fucky how the holocaust has basically been appropriated by Jews when nearly as many non-Jews also died, but eh

>>376988
>>377019
>holocaust happened
I do. 6 million jews dead no debate.
>and was bad
Worse then the literal and real exterminations that ended with ZERO survivors of these people and races ?

>zionist
I suspect your attitude is inspired by Zionists unless you grew up on another planet with no contact to western media or talks of the holocaust until you turned 30 or something.

>>377025
>the world doesnt care at all about the slavocaust.
Yawn. So the Zionists don't care about 6 million dead Slavs, Yawn so we don't care about 6 million dead jews simple as that.
Hitlers extermination VS Hitlers extermination.
6 million VS 6 million.

Your move.

>>377041
So can we not acknowledge the holocaust is bad unless it's literally the single most bad terrible thing in history?

>>377035
>ews when nearly as many non-Jews also died, but eh

Nearly ?! 6 million VS 6 million.

>Jews
This is the most important thing to point out to counter Zionist propaganda. Not to engage is stupid holocaust denial you have the numbers and Zionist holocaust propaganda can not deal with the numbers 6 million VS 6 million same Hitler.

>>377043
Lets see:
>>377035

<He He He LEL no one cares about 6 million dead Slavs killed by hittler
Then
>>377043
<Oi my 6 million killed jews are magic ! Start feeling bad !

You Zionist tricks are getting boring. You don't care about 6 million killed Slavs we don't care about 6 million killed jews got a problem with that?

How about I go right back at you?!

<So can we not acknowledge the slavocaust is bad unless it's literally the single most bad terrible thing in history?

>>377056
I think both are bad?

>>377058
>I think both are bad?

Who was that guy then >>377025 ?

>>377060
Not the same person?
You fucking stupid animal, that person’s point was clearly that no one acknowledges the genocide against slavs, not that said genocide didn’t matter, you stupid cunt

>>377056
you're honestly just retarded and illiterate. The point they were blatantly making was that a great deal more people were killed in the holocaust than just jews.

>>355012
Sure, but are we going to deny the Holocaust just to own the libs now?