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My own Thread!
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Fudgesickels omg
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 No.91

idk man there's a lot of bad comments out there
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 No.92

K whatever, you ready to work now?
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Is that a "NO?"
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Can I post at all?
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 No.80

>>70
Does this shit not fetch new replies?
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 No.81

Post via captcha
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 No.82

>>488684
>>488685
>The fact that Trump did more to wreck the US economy in like a day
That might be a culmination of features built into capitalism itself all coming to a conclusion. I wouldn't necessarily compare what protestors can do at current levels of organization with what capitalism can do to itself.

I'm reminded by a quote from Lord of the Rings:

>Strange powers have our enemies, and strange weaknesses! said Théoden.

>But it has long been said: oft evil will shall evil mar
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niglet
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uyghur


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Hello World.
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Can I even post, what's going on here?
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 No.57

Slay
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Works testing see out can forum this if everything let—just know I'm you to hey, how everyone!
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Sage with capital S?
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Test email


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Let's get this picture banned
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Stop fedposting
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 No.356420[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I have often heard it said that the FBI took over Communist Party USA back during the Cold War, and that the organization is now used as a honeypot to trap socialists. Is this true?
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 No.412588

>>356576
>>356585
And what's there evidence the Communist Party killed anyone?
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 No.413479

>>356576
>all those amerikan flags
BARF
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 No.413630

>>412286
communist graffiti kinda cool tho
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 No.414052

>>356576
>although it's not publicly admitted, had strong-arm groups and assassination squads to deal with people they considered to be traitors
The lack of a sufficiently underground, militant wing of CPUSA is arguably why the party got so thoroughly wrecked by the feds' purges. It's how we got to the point of having an 'army without a party' in the 1960s and 1970s with groups encompassing the NCM.
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I can still post?


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 No.211384[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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 No.414050

With the power of the German law tradition and of the Roman contract law we'll achieve PEAK prosperity!
Productive forces will be POWERFUL!
Start trusting the plan NOW!
It'll be too late when China will finish this! >>414042
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 No.414054

Calling all pro-Xi Jinping comrades: no country is perfect, wht are your major criticisms of current China? Asking in good faith.

Anti-"Dengist" comrades may join in if you can stay factual.
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 No.414055

>>414048
>I am sure
<I.. I just know it must be true…. My suspicions about a hidden darkest reaction must be real!!!!!!
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 No.414056

>>414018
>>414050
China just very recently reformed its civil law using Germany and the USA as examples so private companies can do business better and private property rights can be enforced better

This, of course, is merely intended to build the productive forces until 2050, so the Dengoids have told me
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 No.414058

>>414013
>Apparently, we can just seize the means of production overnight
are you just going to ignore the fact that's what Mao fucking DID.
>uhm actually the Chinese Civil War took a long time so it wasn't overnight hah-
get fucked and try harder, you know what is meant: the CPC successfully seized the means of production. they're not a plucky little band of Chileans who were elected to office in an already capitalist country. there's a major private sector in China today because they chose to incubate it long after they'd taken power, not because they were stuck with it due to the conditions under which they took power.

not even anti-china, just think you ended on a fucking stupid note


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 No.413957[Reply]

Why did this keep happening over and over again? From USSR to China to Cuba this shit always pops up.

Defend this, you can't. Trotsky did nothing wrong

amogus
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>>414034
You Nazis don't need purges, all your leaders offed themselves.
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 No.414043

>>414025
>July 20 plot
>people who tried to kill Hitler find themselves being killed in return
do cummies really?
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 No.414045

>>414034

The USSR still beat natcuck germany.

When the body is infested with parasites, purging them is good.
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 No.414047

>>414034
>Over the following weeks, Himmler's Gestapo, driven by a furious Hitler, rounded up nearly everyone who had the remotest connection with the plot. The discovery of letters and diaries in the homes and offices of those arrested revealed the plots of 1938, 1939, and 1943, and this led to further rounds of arrests, including that of colonel general Franz Halder, who finished the war in a concentration camp. Under Himmler's new Sippenhaft (blood guilt) laws, many relatives of the principal plotters were also arrested in the immediate aftermath of the failed plot.

>More than 7,000 people were arrested and 4,980 were executed. Not all of them were connected with the plot, since the Gestapo used the occasion to settle scores with many other people suspected of opposition sympathies


20th July Plot
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 No.414057

>>414040
Rather than give the jews their satisfaction from staging a show trial, and executing them? Ok thanks Brayden.


/leftypol/

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 No.409309[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Oppose the right-wing campaign against vaccination!
>Under conditions of the global pandemic of a lethal virus, mass vaccination is an elementary requirement of public health and for the self-defense of the working class.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/29/pers-j29.html

As this statement indicates, particularly in its concluding section, there are definite social and historical conditions under which the right-wing and libertarian campaign against vaccination finds an echo within layers of the working class, including its poorest sections. There is ignorance and social backwardness, there is also growing alienation, and tendency to reflexively distrust authority, to make no distinction between the government and the scientists. This feeds a general fatalism. It can only take root in the absence of any class consciousness. As the statement indicates, the struggle is not simply a medical issue. The last few paragraphs here are really crucial.
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 No.413339

>>412564
>Yeah, it's not like the DPRK and Cuba have desperately tried to lift the blockades that prevent them from trade, and it's not like trade is why small or third world are able to develop quickly and skip a few of the egregious parts of regular industrialization or somethin'.

>hates porkies

>hates liberalism
<advocates for porkies trading with north korea and Cuba
glowies being glowies
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 No.413417

>>413339
Cuba and the DPRK are both trying to get their embargos lifted so….
Who is glowing?
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 No.413501

>>412058
>Executes 14 billionaires in 8 years
And allows hundreds of them to exploit dirt-poor workers on 12h shifts.
And you parade this as victory.
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 No.414041

This virus needs to kill as many as possible. Save the forests. Save the climate. Save the tiger. Save the cod. Save the salmon. Kill the plague of civilized bipeds poisoning this world.
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 No.414051

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>>414041
>This virus needs to kill as many as possible
Aight, you go first. We'll follow your example we promise.


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 No.414032[Reply]

My main gripe with socialism is that those governments have way too much control over their people. Just ask the slaves in the USSR. Have you guys ever heard of Pol Pot?
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 No.414046

Japan makes synthetic meat out of poop
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 No.414053

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>mfw i want to use "your mom" as a comeback but recent events have happened


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Thread for the discussion of Anarchism.

Old one is full (>>139334)

Foundational texts:
>Alexander Berkman, ABCs of Anarchist-Communism
https://libcom.org/library/abc-anarchism-alexander-berkman
>Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
>Errico Malatesta, Anarchism and Organization
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-anarchism-and-organization
>More
https://libcom.org/library/anarchism-reading-guide

Contemporary theory:
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 No.412102

I'm not exactly sure if i can post this here, since it might just be disregarded as idpol, but what would be the anarchist solution to abortion? It sounds simple to say that it's within the freedom of the woman to abort, but isn't it also taking the freedom away from the fetus?
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 No.412403

>>412102
Anarchists are libs. They don't think that deeply about issues of choice. The liberal position is abortion good, so that is also the anarchist position.
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 No.412409

>>412403
>Thinking abortion has inherent class content
You should have been aborted for this post
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 No.413934

Are there any books specifically on idpol from an anarchist perspective?
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 No.414029

>>412403
Buddhist anarchist here: abortion is killing a living being and should be avoided as much as possible, but also allowed legally and with strong public programs that help to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place


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 No.413815[Reply]

The police are now betraying him and siding with the proletariat in the streets

It's only a matter of time before we get another french revolution. I can't wait bros

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1421605454623301633?s=20
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 No.413970

Just because the whole “Anti-Lockdown” ideology is a petite capitalist one Dosent mean you can just discredit every person taking part in these demonstrations as some some sort of “Far-right bad orange man supporting C H U D”.

The majority of these people are proles and lumpens who have lost their work and their lives with it due to western capitalism’s inability to handle this crisis. Tut tutting then will get you nowhere
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 No.413971

>>413875
because our governement is absolutely hated,and they were doing a big "you can choose if you want to take the vaccine" to cover up not having enough of them,and are now making it mandatory to go to most public places,and basically treat mediatically all people who aren't sure about vaccines like they're retarded children who should do what they're told.
If you can't see why this ends up in being strongly anti-vaccine even if it's not the correct stance to take,I don't know what to tell you.
For myself I have been convinced by actual studies that some e-celeb affiliated with one of our more niche "left" newspaper actually gave talking about the delta variant and how vaccines interact with it,there is no longer any pretense of educating anybody in our traditional media,it's pure hammering of the truth into your skull until you uphold reactionary tendencies or accept it unconditionnaly.
Also having to take multiple shots,while they're is talk about new variants that could mean you have to take another one after,and dealing with our current circus one more time is not tolerable by one part of it.
Unironical critical support for the anti-vaxxers,it's the governement fault they don't want to be vaccinated and the only one who is at fault,not "alternative medias" who are actually willing to educate (wrongly) people instead of treating them like dirt.
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 No.413998

>>413876
Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: "Tankies were right again"

>>413970
Nobody likes to see genuine revolutionary fervor channeled into bullshit causes, since it just increases likelihood of their failure. Reminder anti-Vietnam war protests weren't about supporting communism, or Vietnamese or opposing capitalism, or American imperialism, but opposing the fucking draft.
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 No.414014

lel Global Northerners are so pathetic in their disobedience

here in Chile almost 80% got vaccinated already, antivaxers barely exists, and with the cases falling sharply people are getting back to the anti-government protests that were paused due to the pandemic
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/leftypol/

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 No.215491[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Letzter Pfaden wurde dank der /Pol/acken vom Brett gepusht. Deshalb ein neues Deutschland General.
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 No.413759

>>413742
You GERMans should be doing this but kneeling in front of Greeks instead.
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 No.413801

>>413592
Eventuell ist das eine Anspielung auf genannte Maßnahmen mancher westlicher Länder, dass die dritte Welt sich nicht industrialisieren dürfte.
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 No.413803

>>413801 (me)
, da es den CO2 Ausstoß erhöht.
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 No.413966

>>413758
>Verbringe deine Zeit mal anders, als dich die ganze Zeit über so Culture War Scheiß aufzuregen.

Weißt du wer sich die Idee der "Kulturellen Aneignung" (Cultural Appropriation) ausgedacht hat? Die Nazis! Die Nazis haben auch jüdischen Musikern verboten, "deutsche Musik" aufzuführen! Die Nazis haben "undeutsche" und "unarische" Musik verboten, um die deutsche Kultur "rein" zu halten! Aus exakt dem selben Gründen verbieten die Wokies Weißen Dreadlocks zu tragen. Sind die ideologischen Parallelen zu den gestirgen Nazis und zu den woken pseudo-linken Faschisten der Gegenwart nicht offensichtlich? Oder ist das alles nicht so schlimm, ist ja nur "Culture War Scheiß"?
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 No.414026

>>413758
dies sollte sich jeder user dieser drecks website zu herzen nehmen
>>413966
nehm bitte deine medizin oder verbring weniger zeit im internet. ami hirnwürmer haben dich komplett zerfressen


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🗽/USAPol/ - United States Politics 🦅
LYNCHIAN EDITION
Thread for petit discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.


🏈💵💸🍔
Other livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFE
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 No.413928

What does the recess imply? They're not going to vote on anything?
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 No.413933

>>413913
The pontus maximus saw a lightning bolt, clearly this is a bad omen.
The Congress shall meet on the next available non-holiday day, which shall be set for next month.
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 No.414009

>>413542
How do you pull a Bolshevik without getting Fred Hampton'd?
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 No.414011

>>413928
congress is on vacation until middle of September
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 No.414023

>>413916
Read The Discourses on Livy


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 No.412806[Reply]

Why is the far right so much more appealing than the far left to young men in the west despite being more vapid and substanceless?

/pol/tard crossposters, don't comment. I'm looking for a real analytic materialist answer not the 9999th iteration of "pol thinks we are radlibs and spams troon memes".
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 No.413528

>>413515
the fuck do you mean?
most people's needs are met by the left, so of course they will gravitate towards such policies instead of rightoid odious schizo shit
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 No.413555

>>413416
>you're not a failure because you're a resentful Incel loser
Oh so you're saying they were born that way.
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>>412824
>Russia? Azov
<doesn't know what Ukraine is
<doesn't know the right-sector hasn't been popular in years
absolute burgerpost. You will never have a foreskin
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 No.414006

>>413088
hello tourist, please lurk more
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 No.414010

The far right presents life and history like a video game.


/leftypol/

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 No.413580[Reply]

Was Lenin a German agent? Why was he so eager to casually sign a peace treaty that was horrible for the Russian people?
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 No.413853

>>413580
Literally the entire reason for overthrowing Kerensky was ending the war
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 No.413904

My read is that he was working for the Germans, but hoped that their defeat in the war would trigger a revolution and that Germany would turn communist. Lenin for sure talked up German culture and philosophy, over Russian culture and Russian nationalism. He was an internationalist who saw the future of communism as a global movement and a world federation, if it could happen. The Germans wanted the war on the Eastern front to end with concessions, and hoped they could force the British and French to make those concessions permanent. That's what the Germans wanted, and Lenin was the only one with any sort of support in Russia who would have made peace.
The German high command knew they could suppress the communist movement in Germany, whereas Lenin was banking on the communist movement succeeding in Germany if he wanted communism to win in the long term. In the 20s, the capitalist powers knew they needed something big to secure their domination, and that's when fascism went on the offensive and the oligarchs of capitalism took on the appearance that they take today. There has been throughout the communist movement's history an inability to admit just how much the deck was stacked against communist victory from the outset, though how clear that was is only available to us through hindsight. There was this pernicious myth that the capitalists could be beaten and cajoled like animals, but the capitalists were perfectly aware of what they were doing and why they did it. It's infected leftist thinking for the past 150 years, and the philosophies of the left render them incapable of grasping where the failure rests. Those on the left who could overcome this failing would, in the following decades, diminish. Communism was failed first and foremost by its intellectuals, and by the intellectual class as a whole. The people were willing to accept communism, even if they didn't really like it or get it, but the communist movement came to be conflated with its intelligentsia rather than its people. The intelligentsia claimed that they could not fail, but they could only be failed, and pawned this responsibility off to the common people. The people in the communist countries were aware of this trap, including many of the intellectuals who saw this wasn't going well, but the bulk of the intelligentsia were invested in their status and philosophy more than actually winning, and by the 1970s the backsliding was ready to take place. The intellectuals didn't want to fighPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.413931

>>413904
Everytime I read a post that starts well and ends with schizo eugenics ramblings I realize its Eugene having another one.
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 No.413990

>>413931
Embrace the Eugenepill. You know I'm right.
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 No.414008

Fannie Kaplan did nothing wrong.


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/Internet Trash General/
Use for discussion on twitter, e-celebs, internet happenings, and other related internet trash
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 No.413955

>>413610
>Dude, fuck this pedo anime bullshit. Bara manga or bust!
based
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>>413811
>I mean, nobody attacks those "Hegelian Marxist" university professors in the West for dilluting Marxism, because most agree that Hegel was an actual serious thinker while Chinese philosophy must be some ying and yang fortune cookie bullshit. It's orientalist.
Another irony here is that yin/yang stuff has a lot in common with dialectics. I've seen some fairly convincing arguments that Marxism is more compatible with some traditional Chinese philosophies (in essence) than a lot of Western thought (Abrahamic religions). Which might be one reason why the Chinese went so hard for Marxism.

Also dialectical unity is similar to Tao as a natural law creating materials which are all related to each other (i.e. base / superstructure). Also adopting Marxism during a chaotic and dark age as a solution to bring peace and stability to society which repeats the adoption of Confucianism after the Zhou Dynasty collapsed thousands of years ago. Confucianism also has a "particular to universal" form of reasoning. And Chinese philosophy is mostly atheistic, it doesn't hold that Gods exist.
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 No.413967

>>411198
they're all the same anon
nuke them all
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>>413972
based and i agree


/leftypol/

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Australia: 7,000 Toll transport workers threaten industrial action
Toll’s proposed EA would see all new drivers employed on part-time rates just above the award minimum—more than 10 percent below the current agreement—with reduced overtime entitlements and employer superannuation contributions of no more than 10 percent.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/31/toll-j31.html

Britain accused of covering up 1972 killing of unarmed Protestant civilian in Belfast
BRITAIN’S armed forces have been accused of another cover-up after it emerged that soldiers shot dead a man in Belfast in 1972 whose death was then blamed on the IRA. Factory foreman Thomas Mills was killed on July 18 that year in the Ballygomartin Road area where he worked.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/britain-accused-cover-over-1972-killing-unarmed-protestant-civilian-belfast

Hungary: Thousands of Health Care Workers Protest in Budapest for Higher Wages
The crowd, which included supporters from several of Hungary's largest trade unions, said the COVID-19 pandemic had only worsened the already precarious situation of health care workers while their demands for pay hikes and reduced working hours had gone unheeded by the government.
https://www.newsclick.in/hungary-thousands-health-care-workers-protest-budapest-higher-wages

Thousands march across France as nationwide opposition to domestic Covid ID shows no signs of fizzling out (VIDEOS)
Starting from August 9, French citizens will need a government-issued digital health pass in order to go inside a cafe or use certain forms of public transport. Individuals will need the ID to show that they are fully vaccinated, have tested negative for Covid-19, or have recovered from the virus. The controversial legislation also makes vaccination compulsory for healthcare workers.
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 No.413152

TYBNA
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 No.413222

Tenants prepare for unknown as eviction moratorium ends
“August is going to be a rough month because a lot of people will be displaced from their homes,” said Jeffrey Hearne, director of litigation Legal Services of Greater Miami, Inc. “It will be at numbers we haven’t seen before. There are a lot of people who are protected by the … moratorium.”
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d6bfbe4aff82bbcf7586a3936ea98731

Rep. Cori Bush and others sleep outside U.S. Capitol to protest end of federal eviction ban
Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.) slept outside the U.S. Capitol on Friday night to urge her Democratic colleagues to return to Washington and vote to expand the eviction moratorium, which expires Saturday at midnight. "Many of my Democratic colleagues chose to go on vacation early today rather than staying to vote to keep people in their homes," Bush tweeted Friday. "I'll be sleeping outside the Capitol tonight. We've still got work to do."
https://www.axios.com/cori-bush-sleeps-outside-capitol-extend-eviction-moratorium-61ad00af-34ef-4f07-a470-4d6c8bea87bd.html

Senators want Biden to deny Iran entry visas to attend UN General Assembly
Six Republicans senators sent a letter to President Joe Biden this week, calling him to deny entry visas to Iranian President-elect Ebrahim Raisi and other senior Iranian officials to attend the UN General Assembly in September. The six are: Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Rick Scott (R-Fla.), Ted Cruz (R-TX), and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).
https://www.jpost.com/international/senators-want-biden-to-deny-iran-entry-visas-to-attend-un-general-assembly-675478
https://archive.is/ddFkM

You’re doing it WRONG! White House Covid-19 spokesman yells at media for quoting CDC documPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.413252

Microchip Mania
While Congress is considering legislation to make historic investments in domestic semiconductor research and manufacturing, New York state and local economic development agencies are continuing a decades-long effort to make the capital region the microchip manufacturing center of the United States. Encouraged by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., state and local authorities are continuing to pour millions of dollars into an industry that has long been subsidized by taxpayer dollars even as it has offshored jobs. Last Monday, Schumer announced that GlobalFoundries, a semiconductor manufacturing firm owned by Mubadala Investment Company, the United Arab Emirates sovereign wealth fund, is building a new chip fabrication plant near its corporate headquarters in Malta, New York, and expanding an existing plant. The expansion will include $1 billion in investments from the company as well as federal and state subsidies, according to a press release from GlobalFoundries, and will create more than a thousand jobs. Details of those subsidies have not yet been released.
https://www.dailyposter.com/microchip-mania/

Hinterlands: Rural Detroits
Trucks rumble through here too, from the factories at one end of Old Trinity near Woodall. Most factories off Woodall are small, looking as if they might employ a few dozen to a hundred workers. Except for the Wayne’s Farm Poultry plant. Wayne’s Farm is large and a reason why, despite Alabama’s repressive anti-immigrant laws, so many Latinos have settled in Decatur. But the rest look like they’ve been there for ages. Again, no new development. Yet a few dozen miles away, in Huntsville, lay shiny, one-story sprawling suburban industrial parks engineering advanced weapons systems with the latest technology. A gleaming new Mazda plant, rising like an industrial Phoenix out of former cornfields, is sprouting up midway between Huntsville and Decatur. Such on the local level is capitalism’s combined and uneven development. Some areas are raised and stroked while others knocked down and gutted. Alabama, of course, is fully rooted in the globalized economy. In recent decades, the state became a Southern site for the auto industry, with Japanese transplants scattered along the north-south central axis. Aerospace has gotten a toe-hold in the MPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Thanks news anon


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💰️DOW/Market Watch Thread💰️
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
🎩
👀
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 No.413655

So, how can one profit from all this, then, if possible to do so?
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 No.413663

>>411636
> Marx was wrong to assume how quick its downfall would occur
Capitalism was on its death throes in the 1920s-1930s, it was only through massive state intervention did it recover - by devaluing all commodities and greatly reducing wages across the board.
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>>413655
Buy low, sell high
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 No.413944

>>413663
I know and mass war saved it, this kinda war will (likely occur) and cause the ecological death of the means to civilization. Capitalism got lucky then it won't this time which is is why ancap is a retard.


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Thread revolves around the 2022 Olympics! What do you guys think about the Games? What do you guys think of the boycott? Would this game gross high on tickets? Would this game be a time when China flexes its new stuff to the world? Would this game invite huge protests (particularly in the Western world)? Would this game Would this game be a safe one, or would it be a super-spreader event? Would you like to buy its merch, or wouldn't you?
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 No.413802

>>413799
Reactions are split between I like him for not caring about how he and his anime celebration look and the other half is making fun of him.
https://boards.4channel.org/sp/thread/111814446
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 No.413885

A Marxist-Leninist critique of anti-sport assholes: elitists posing as leftists.

Two examples of renowned "lefty philosophers" I've seen the last decade that come out against sports openly (Olympics, FIFA World Cup, etc.) are Chomsky (USA) and TGM (HUN).

Their main arguments are the following:
>1. sports don't matter, what really matters is politics
>2. sports are part of the Spectacle™, a form of distraction
>3. sports reinforce bourgeois nationalism

Let's take these down, one by one.
>1. sports don't matter, what really matters is politics
Really depends on what an individual (moreover, and typically, a member of a certain class) deems meaningful, moreover, what really matters is understanding the actual process by which certain phenomenon (such as sports) gain significance to one class (proletarian, typically), while gets scorn from another (intelligentsia, typically).

A typical "lefty academic" spent his entire adult life faced with overwhelming evidence why the current capitalist system – on an intellectual, ethical, aesthetic, etc. level – is completely undesirable, destructive, moronic, while the typical proletarian really just wants another way out from the inhumane production process, a way to relax the fuck out. Now if you pointed out this latter fact to the intellectual, he would be inclined to say that "that is exactly the problem! only if these proles were more politically conscious, less "dumbed down," and so on!"

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 No.413917

>>413885
>Watching a good match in soccer
lol doesn't exist
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 No.413940

Is the US getting rekted in basketball? That's all I want to see.
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 No.413942

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>>413885
Didn't read, watching beach volleyball instead.


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 No.413000[Reply]

<God bless America, land that I love. Stand beside her and guide her. Through the night with the light from above

You cannot understand the burger mentality until you understand American Civic/Civil religion, a form of religious nationalism that is parallel to Christianity and operates as a (ironically, arguably idolatrous) form of pseudo-religion or pseudo-Christianity. Rural burgers believe in American civil religion to their CORE, not the educated urbanites I mean the “real” america, the anglo rural "christian" boomers of the 90% of burgerland that isn’t major metropolitan areas, the so called “hinterland”.

>assumes the existence of a vague, generic “God” and a belief that the United States has a special god-appointed role to play by saving the world by spreading “liberty” and american style “democracy” and capitalism around the world.

>has its own values, beliefs, rituals, and holidays parallel to christian holidays
>puritans who fled from europe for religious “liberty” are like the hebrews who fled from Egypt
>America is the “new promised land”. God had lead them across the ocean and given them the land of the natives, just as God led the Hebrews through the desert and given them the land of the Canaanites.
>Manifest destiny – this is their fate that is willed by god and MANIFEST(clear and obvious)
>Puritans believed God had put them there to be a shining city on a hill, a new Jerusalem, bringing their European way of life and protestant beliefs to the native pagans.
>American revolution produced a founder, a Moses-like figure in George Washington
>Prophets – men like Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine
>Apostles – John Adams, Ben Franklin
>Martyrs – Victims of the Boston Massacre, Nathan Hale
>A “Judas” like traitor – Benedict Arnold, who defected to the British.
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 No.413750

Unfathomably based, I love Columbia and stand with her until the end of days
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 No.413785

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I am a Pr*testant and everything you said regarding Nationalism and American Exceptionalism being forms of idolatry is so blatantly obvious and true to anyone who actually reads the Bible that I don't understand why my congregation is full of boomer conservatives and MAGAtards (though thankfully no Q-Anon shit yet).

I feel like I'm the only one who actually reads my Bible sometimes. It's even worse because us Pr*testants used to be a force for reform - the Social Gospel was basically a Christianized attempt at left-reformist social democracy and sadly was destroyed not only due to culture issues but also businessmen funding and empowering right-wing priests/pastors to drown us out. There's nothing left at this point honestly I'm just waiting until Jesus comes back and nukes Amerikkka to put us all out of our misery.
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 No.413789

>>413023
Translationerino?
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>>413000
AVE WASHINGTON
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>>413817
Ahhhh Amerikkka. A wicked and awful people, rebellious and unrighteous from the very beginning. May God smite these idolatrous beasts and finally free the suffering peoples and nations of the Earth.


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 No.392953[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Previous thread ( >>210868 ) hit bump limit.

We scientific (STEM) socialism here.

READING
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
For a complete reading list, see: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/

Cockshott's Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/williamCockshott/

Cockshott's youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ

Cockshott's Blogs
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 No.403803

>>403720
You know there was a huge amount of time before the October Revolution where the army did suppress the workers right?
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 No.403838

>>403575
>it was never fully implemented because coup
F
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 No.413812

Currently reading TANS to get more in depth into cybersoc stuff, and i have a question.
Cockshott says that the calculations for the system would be run by planning softwares on computers, and that a distributed decentralized feedback system for data would be in place.
In such a vision, my question is: Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
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 No.413831

>>413812
>Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
I am 99.9% sure this gets answered in the book if you keep reading.
Basically you do what Marx already alluded to and count all the compound labor and make an aggregate.

If you make a wooden chair, the labor isn't just your assembly. It's also
1. Getting the wood
2. Getting the hammer
3. Getting the nails

You can break this up further:
1. Transporting all these materials
2. Someone tending after the trees
3. Someone mining resources for the purpose of building the hammer and the nails

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 No.413924

>>413831
Doesn't this require firms not to lie on the necessary labour time for things though?
In a sense isn't there an element of trust in all this?


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 No.413041[Reply]

GUSANOS BTFO
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 No.413244

>>413068
>really wants to prove how good he is
olympics seem the perfect place for that, idgaf about your cancerous entertainment industry
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 No.413318

Fun and based fact.
Cuba is the LatAm country with most Olympic medals IN HISTORY, they even have more medals than Spain.
And they say socialism doesn't work.
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 No.413325

>>413318
That’s great!
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 No.413348

>>413068
>b-but you cant go pro
>chad worker doing sport on spare time for personal enjoyment and growth vs virgin sport wagecuck doing it for money, sold as an entertainment and advert product
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 No.413908

Bump


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 No.413753[Reply]

Why did he and Mao split? Why did Mao let him die of cancer? As somebody who is not really knowledgeable about the history of the CPC. can somebody explain this to me?
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 No.413766

Mao got too retarded and dogmatic. That isn't to say Zhou was perfect, he still believed in that autistic anti-soviet foreign poliy but he was better than Mao in other areas.
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 No.413772

>>413766
foreign policy*
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 No.413828

Bumping for non-idiotic replies.
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>>413753
he read too many books
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 No.413902

>>413849
hot kek
>>413766
I assumed it was something along the lines of this, thanks anon


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 No.410497[Reply]

I am doing a USA tour and the most striking thing is all the fakeness in people's behaviour. Fake smiles, fake kindness, fake attitude in general. Everyone looks like the women from that story Stepford wives, only itnis everybody. How is USA society still function on so many layers of pretend? Isn't almost everyone mentally ill due to all this acting all the time?
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 No.413593

>>411610
I heard the exact same thing about Americans from a Russian once. He was watching American protests and it seemed like it was a movie, or people acting like characters in a movie. People even become protest warriors and wear costumes. It's kinda like Ren Faire culture or Comic-Con but for protests. I'm gonna get ready and get my costume for the protest. Everyone is trying to influence the situation in some way.

They just don't do it like that in Russia. They have their own ways. Wildly avant-garde stuff in Russia too but… it's like a whole different country!

>>411659
lmao
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 No.413627

>>410731
"happiness" is subjective, notice the same exact countries always top for being the lowest in corruption, most "democratic", happiest, healthiest etc,
its because NO ONE LIVES THERE compared to how rich they are
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 No.413714

>>413468
when I’m happy, I don’t need to shove it in other people’s faces to be perceived as successful (like burgers do)

when I’m miserable, I don’t need to fake happiness to keep up with Joneses in success (like burgers do)

t. Slav
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 No.413804

Thats just untrue. Your one example is a guy in a government photo, he probably didnt enjoy sitting there getting his picture taken.

You'll find that while overall we dont go out of our way to be kind Americans do tend to be happy and kind where it counts.

Also you say Americans shove happiness in your face but where tf did they do that?
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 No.413863

retail culture has infected large parts of the American working class, where you're basically forced to be "fake" as a basic tenet of your job. you have to smile and take it even when a customer is screaming at you because that's "good customer service." You can't contradict a customer, even when they're wrong. Needless to say you can't talk back to your "superiors" either, managers, assistant managers, whatever, no matter how retarded or in the wrong you might be.

That's not even to mention shit like dealing with cops or other aspects of the "justice" system, where if cops don't feel like you're respecting them enough then they can make your life miserable, or even just straight up kill you if they want. And if they get you in court you're at the judges mercy where he can decide what rights you have or don't on a whim, and if you complain then you can be arbitrarily imprisoned indefinitely for "contempt of court."

Americans are fake for lots of reasons, some of it cultural (like "Midwestern Nice"), but a lot of it is a matter of survival at this point.


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An image beloved of both the internet right and the left. The worker. "Imagine going up to a worker", they say, "and saying what you've just said." Often they are specific: The steelworker, the tired coal miner, the teamster, etc. But one must ask: what does the worker of today look like?

This figure is everywhere, watching over us. We like this idea of the worker, he is pleasing to have around. He works a real job, a job that produces things. There is unfortunately a catch: A soldier is closer to a representation of the average western worker than he is. (Some quick numbers: US coal mines employ about 50,000 people. The US military has 480,000 soldiers.) No, if you want an image of the average worker today, you're looking at the other pictures. People with smartphones and Twitter accounts. People who'll talk your ears off about films, not good films like Blue Collar (1978), films like Black Widow (2021), which they don't even watch in photogenic cinemas - no, they watch them in bed on their laptops, or perhaps if they're still students then with a HDMI cable awkwardly slung from a precariously balanced MacBook Pro in the middle of their shared flats. They're not the people you wish were your dad, they're the people you went to school if you're not underaged. A disproportionate number of them have degrees. Or perhaps they're the old people, practically invisible to you now. The middle aged ones who sit watching daytime television. The unemployed. The people who get in your way at the supermarket, the people who sit beside you on the bus when you'd really rather be left alone listening to your spotify playlist.
They are not, by and large, "aesthetic". There is no gigantic repertoire of social realist art to look on that will make you appreciate the low paid social worker in her office tabbing through an excel sheet of case-work. No obvious visible end product from the care workers looking after forgotten retirees. Some think "after the revolution, I will be a miner", but who thinks "after the revolution, I will work in the [former] amazon warehouse."? And it is this force, this lack of a clear image in one's mind that is so pernicious. Without a clear image of the modern working class, people quickly fall back to their file photo - the working class of the days before everyone had a colour television.

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>>413471
>I just want to point out one thing, which has nothing to do with the truthiness of your claim about Ehrenreich, but with your method of talking online. You just lazily spread rumors about people based on vague impressions like people do on Twitter, and I find this irritating to no end. That the gamble worked out in this particular case is irrelevant.
Fair enough. I was pretty sure the Ehrenreichs classified nurses as PMC, but obviously I haven't read any of their work until just now so I should've read it before posting that. I wanna say that I don't really have a problem with the Ehrenreichs themselves. I think I disagree with some of their analysis but I think the PMC could be a useful category if you apply it carefully. And to their credit, they are pretty careful with emphasizing that nurses exist in a sort of gray area and that the line between worker and PMC isn't always clear. My problem is mainly with the people use the term defined by the Ehrenreichs in a sloppy, stupid way. Basically they use "PMC" as a pejorative for anyone with a university education and/or "socially progressive"/liberal views regardless of their actual class position.

>>413474
>Ehrenreich isn't completely stupid. I think in some ways the PMC is just a more modern and deeper analysis of what Marx and later Lenin called the labour aristocracy.
>The problem with PMC of course is that it very easilly starts to be applied to all work that requires a degree. Like calling nurses PMC is just bonkers.
Absolutely. When I first saw people use the term PMC it seemed like a useful concept to me. But very quickly I became annoyed with how the term was misused so much it became completely meaningless. For a while on stupidpol (don't know how it is now, I haven't checked in on that shithole in forever), "PMC" was just the word you used when you meant to call someone a "libtard" but you wanted to sound smart.
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 No.413500

>>413489
>le based recreational-suit-wearing cucker carlson devotees
wat
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 No.413511

>>413500
That was a shot at Groypers (and Caleb Maupin I guess). The point being, workers are pretty normal people who may have niche interests or may not, but they're definitely not soot-faced Appalachian miners.
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 No.413619

>>413474
Well that essay as whole was pretty confusing. I found the bit about lack of intermarriage between PMCs and the rest of the world interesting, that's certainly a point in favor of PMCs being a real thing. I don't think PMC / Labor Aristocracy and related concepts will ever have the explanatory strength of the division between on the one side the landlords and owners of the means of production and the workers on the other, nor do I believe PMC/LA will ever have the explanatory strength of just sorting by income level.
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 No.413861

>>413619
>I don't think PMC / Labor Aristocracy and related concepts will ever have the explanatory strength of the division between on the one side the landlords and owners of the means of production and the workers on the other
Fair. I prefer to talk about Labour Aristocrats, and I think they're best understood as an upper caste of labour that serve as the retinue of the owners and in tve case of media, the clergy of the state. The character of this caste is easilly grasped when you look at corrupt and de-fanged union bosses, for example. They may consider themselves Left, working class even, but ultimatelly they think tge ideal is a capitalist world in which the relations between the exploiters and the exploited is managed through a caste of enlightened technocrats such as themselves.


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 No.370918[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Well they gave it their best shot. Maybe World Cup will be the one. At least they still have cricket. Hopefully a riot breaks out right nor or something.
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 No.413030

>>407026
We need a paedogeddon 2.0, it would be even more relevant today
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>>370918
It’s tempting to see what his stomach would look like if you were to chop it off.
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Labour about Peru
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>>413813
why do blairites hate people with cool hats so much?


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Which of these young ladies is best fit to seize the means of production with when the revolution comes to us?

Make your pick. Yes this is political
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 No.413808

IS COFFEE GOOD FOR YOU
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 No.413809

It's xandra for me
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 No.413810

Moved to >>>/b/121148.


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 No.377675[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Tv Senado 24h Pay-per-view edition

Last one got full

Melhor compilação dos atos circenses do executivo federal: https://medoedelirioembrasilia.wordpress.com/
Não inclui eventos nos picadeiros legislativo e executivo que não envolvem o executivo.

Narração em tempo real da CPI: https://twitter.com/camarotedacpi/
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 No.411623

>>410479
https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2021/07/29/incendio-atinge-galpao-da-cinemateca-brasileira-na-vila-leopoldina-zona-oeste-de-sp.ghtml
>De acordo com informações do Jornal Nacional, no prédio ficavam gravados 1 milhão de documentos da antiga Embrafilme, como roteiros, artigos em papel, cópias de filmes e documentos antigos. Alguns tinham mais de 100 anos e seriam usados na montagem de um museu sobre o cinema brasileiro.

Se algo disso estiver digitalizado, deve ser pouco, obviamente por conta do baixíssimo investimento nos últimos anos.

https://exame.com/brasil/cinemateca-pega-fogo-em-sp-local-guarda-acervo-audiovisual-brasileiro/
>Ao todo, há mais de 250.000 rolos de filme no acervo da instituição, muitos originais e sem cópia por serem muito antigos, mas parte do acervo não estava no prédio atingido hoje. O prédio principal da Cinemateca fica em outra região, na Vila Mariana.

>Há no acervo da Cinemateca material que vai de filmes e antigos programas de televisão a registros públicos brasileiros, como de ex-presidentes.

Tem uma possibilidade de nesse acervo estar a documentação da Força Expedicionária Brasileira na Segunda Guerra Mundial. Ironia é pouco.
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 No.411633

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>Chris Chan trending in Brazil
We memed too hard.
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 No.413466

>>409933
Porque? Biden é um capitalista muito mais nefasto e competente que o Trump
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>>413647
VAI SEGURAR NA PIROCA DELE ATÉ O FIM!


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 No.412983[Reply]

Is it possible for them to unify into a single country. If so how?
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 No.413744

>>413484
Uhh Peru is much more indigenous and "eastern" than Chile. Uruguay, Argentina and Chile are more similar to each other, the latter being a bit more lonely still.
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 No.413749

>>413744
Based off what?

Argentina and Uruguay are like 90% white.

Chile is far closer to how Peru is than like them.
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 No.413784

>>413749
>Argentina and Uruguay are like 90% white.
And? I'm not referring entirely to race. Mapuche culture and traditions are basically extinct in urban Chile, while Peru has a big countryside and Catholic/Incan traditions kept alive there.
The only difference Chile has with Argentina and Uruguay is our accent and that we lack italian surnames.
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Is it true that all carribean people are black or mixed race?
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 No.413797

>>413793
No. Cuba is mostly huwhite. There is also a very small Indigenous minority in Eastern Cuba and Dominica


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 No.398745[Reply]

Where the actual fuck is any kind of mathematical theory describing marginalist theory?

The supply/demand chart supposedly allows us to derive prices from two combining sources: the supply of a product and the demand for that product.

Let us take this notion seriously.

Supply is going to necessarily going to be in some kind of quantity of a commodity. Ounces of gold, pounds of wheat, individual toys, tools, furniture. Whatever.

Price is going to be expressed in some monetary unit. Dollars, yuan, etc. Therefore, in order to get the proper units to convert, demand must be a unit of "dollars per commodity" so that the units cancel properly.

How does one determine what the current value of the "dollars per commodity" variable is? You can not determine this from the sale price because then you are circularly defining the price from the demand and the demand from the price. What is measured to resolve this?

Since supply and demand are expressed as curves, these curves have to have their own functions. How are they derived? Since supply and demand both have curves that cross both the "quantity" axis and the "price" axis, they're both inherently reliant on the price itself in the definition of their functions.

How the actual fuck is this even supposed to work out from a unit cancellation rigor standpoint?
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 No.413110

>>413108
> In socialism without competitive pressure this should be ensured through political process.

How will the state determine what has use value and what doesn’t
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 No.413117

>>413110
voting by representative samples of potential consumers
replace voting with your vallet with just voting
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 No.413143

>>413104
Depends on "uselessness" of the jobs. Also, including the unnecessary jobs would increase the labor time average.

The SNLT measurement is not a bare-minimum hypothetical to get some product out and sold. Jobs that are tangentially related to production and distribution but not actually needed for the final product can be seen as a form of waste inherent to the system. There are plenty of other forms of waste that are obviously going to be included as a form of production losses, and so to can it be with someone's entire job.
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 No.413717

>>412669
>What do you not get about capitalist competition driving the socially necessary labour time to produce a given commodity down?
It doesn't always. Take for example when capitalists phase out environmentally harmful products. When they do that voluntarily, they are usually moving to techniques that require more labour.

>>413099
>>413007
>Things happen whether society agrees on them or not.
Marxists exclude inefficient techniques from SNLT, but they still happen.
Suppose you have factory A that requires 3 hours to make a product and factory B that requires 2 hours to make a product. The products are the same. You would say SNLT is 2 hours, even if factory A is making products with 3 hours of labour.

Suppose there is factory C that requires 1 hour to make a product, but it releases pollution. Both factories B and C are making products and some consumers buy from C, some buy from B because of the pollution. Marxists can't decide whether SNLT is now 1 hour or 2.
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 No.413791

>>413717
>It doesn't always. Take for example when capitalists phase out environmentally harmful products. When they do that voluntarily, they are usually moving to techniques that require more labour.
Which is to assist in the realization of profits, and they rarely do it by their own volition. A SNLTstill exists regardless.
>Marxists exclude inefficient techniques from SNLT, but they still happen.
Marxists don't exclude inefficiencies, they jus river time are phased out.
>Suppose you have factory A that requires 3 hours to make a product and factory B that requires 2 hours to make a product. The products are the same. You would say SNLT is 2 hours, even if factory A is making products with 3 hours of labour.
>Suppose there is factory C that requires 1 hour to make a product, but it releases pollution. Both factories B and C are making products and some consumers buy from C, some buy from B because of the pollution. Marxists can't decide whether SNLT is now 1 hour or 2.
SNLT is in aggregate you fag. It doesn't take the faster producing industry as the SNLT, it accounts for all production in within the industry. That's why if one industry adopt more efficient practices, it drops the SNLT overall. In the 2 and 3 hours example, the SNLT would be situated somewhere right between them.


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