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Previous thread ( >>210868 ) hit bump limit.

We scientific (STEM) socialism here.

READING
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
For a complete reading list, see: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/

Cockshott's Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/williamCockshott/

Cockshott's youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ

Cockshott's Blogs
https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/
http://paulcockshott.co.uk/

Cockshott's videos torrent archive
Here's the torrent with all of Paul Cockshott's YouTube channel videos up to 27/10/2020 (i.e. Eliminating inequality):
Magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d5e5cc7a91228fef2ea213f816b27cfea8185961&dn=Paul%5FCockshott%5F%28October%5F27th%5F2020%29&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.internetwarriors.net%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.cyberia.is%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fexplodie.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fp4p.arenabg.ch%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker1.itzmx.com%3A8080%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker3.itzmx.com%3A6961%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.zerobytes.xyz%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.tiny-vps.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ds.is%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.si%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fretracker.lanta-net.ru%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fopen.acgnxtracker.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.moeking.me%3A6969%2Fannounce
Torrent file:
https://anonymousfiles.io/RileL0Sn/

This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and of course the great immortal scientist himself, WILLIAM PAUL COCKSHOTT.

Archives of previous thread
1) https://archive.is/uNCEY
2) https://web.archive.org/web/20201218152831/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/997358.html
3) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1092975361

You can make webm related real by contacting Ck on his Facebook or YT channel.
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 No.394919

>>394870
>check twitter
>all the angry responses are she/hers with anime avys
Seems like he struck a nerve.
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 No.396118

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 No.396129

>>394870
oh god, this is going to cause so much of a shitstorm. please paul, leave this to the radfems
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 No.396131

>>394870
I kneel
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 No.396440

How do we get Cockshott on the Jimmy Dore Show?
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 No.396487

>>394870
Is it actually him? LOL
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 No.396493

>>396440
Get Cockshott familiar with Mike Gravel and then lean on Jimmy that Cockshott has something similar to Gravel's citizen legislation proposal.
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 No.396554

>>394040
Who is this guy? Can't find any videos on yt.
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 No.396597

>>393951
we need to archive
also anyone have the jimmy dore nazbol video
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 No.396615

>>396554
He deleted them all and quit the project yesterday after getting cyber-dunked by real socialists and communists from all sides at once the last couple of days.
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 No.397156

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>>394873
>>396487
Yeah, it's him. Old account he would basically only use for promoting his videos, but now it seems he's decided to use it for more than just that. It's @PaulCockshott.

>>396129
I do hope he shuts the fuck up about this as he is clearly out of depth and it can only be detrimental to the wider recognition of his work. Plus he's getting trolled hard by zoomers as you see in picrel
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 No.397294

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This video is now age restricted and therefore inaccessible without giving your credit card details to glowgle.
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 No.397295

>>397156
Could you be more sensationalist?
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 No.397298

>>397294
you can sidestep 18+ lock on youtube by copy pasting the youtube link to https://9convert.com/ and downloading the vid
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 No.397355

>>397298
Yeah just researched this a bit quickly and it seems there are scrips too that you can use to work around this problem. Someone should DM the invidious and FreeTube devs and tell them about this, maybe it could be integrated to allow you to choose "I'm 18+" in a setting natively
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 No.397361

>>397294
>tfw had a Google account before they cared what age you were
>tfw I'm 133 and still watching Minecraft let's plays
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 No.397389

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 No.397413

>>397389
No, just Marxism-Leninism. (Of the cybernetic kind, in this case).
Nazbol gang meme was a mistake on large part
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 No.397792

>>397156
>I do hope he shuts the fuck up about this as he is clearly out of depth and it can only be detrimental to the wider recognition of his work. Plus he's getting trolled hard by zoomers as you see in picrel
Lmao, who cares about fucking zoomers, they are a fucking joke. They should fuck off to fortnite, twitch or whatever hole they crawled out of with their retarded pronounce word police. Leave theory to Big Boys and go play in your twitter autist corner radlibs.
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 No.397805

>>397792
>w-we're just fanboying over a retard who can't read hegel (or even marx) b-because economics and computer!
>no you are the idpol radlib REEEEEE
hang yourself on the nearest tree or jump off the highest building available, retarded /pol/ack "convert"
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 No.397813

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>>397805
Your perturbed response is the most satisfying reply you could deliver at this instance, kiddo.
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 No.397815

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 No.397819

>>397805
>>397792
Both retarded. uyghas old, he should focus on pushing planning technology as far as he can take it, idpol is a social battle for the next generation, but he's right here and many anglos need to hear that queer shit is no longer in anyway even reform, let alone revolutionary, it's pure status quo. And the fact we have leftypolers calling this shit 'pol' shows that it needs to be discussed. We only have so much time on this Earth though
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 No.397820

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>>397805
Lmao, of course zoomer radlib is all over hegel's dick. Bet you also think dialectics is an actual investigative method and not a purely rhetorical tool, AHAHAHA.
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 No.397821

>>397805
Brainlet detected
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 No.397823

>>397819
>Both retarded.
you retarded zizekhead

>he should focus on

he should focus on what he wants to focus
what some retarded zizekhead thinks people "should" do is irrelevant because retarded zizekhead is irrelevant

>And the fact we have leftypolers calling this shit 'pol' shows that it needs to be discussed.

Then go make your thread and discuss how you want to be a girl there. Just don't try to enforce your retarded vision on us, ok? Marxism is about economics first, everything else is tangential, and it's surely not about you wanting to cut your dick off zizekhead.
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 No.397827

>>397823
How can I be irrelevant when I live in your head rent free?
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 No.397830

>>397294
Why is it age restricted? It's a good video. Cockshott is a closet accelerationist.
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 No.397835

>>397830
I mean 'war' and 'revolution' are some big no-no words. It is based though
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 No.397838

>>397827
the lack of self-awareness is staggering
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 No.397839

>>397838
I know right, this guy is really retarded
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 No.397846

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>>397827
What, you think leftypol and its flagfags avatarfags are relevant?
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 No.397870

>>397846
Who do you think got trump elected, huh? The Russians? Hahahahahahaha
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 No.403061

>>397830
I'm surprised they didn't age restrict the ones where proves the LTV right and exposes neoclassic economics as hokum
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 No.403069

>>396493
Mr Gravel died
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 No.403074

Has any of you sent Paul Krugman any of Cockshott's videos?
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 No.403095

Have any of these cybernetic plans been tested in the real world, even if on a small scale?
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 No.403129

>>403095
Walmart
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 No.403206

>>403095
the USSR before its end
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 No.403486

>>403095
there was project cybersyn in chile in the early 70s, dont know how well it worked tho
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 No.403558

>>397294
>communists must serve on the army
umm… so what are they gonna do when they're instructed to go and suppress a worker's strike or similar? this doesn't make any sense
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 No.403571

>>403486
It was never implemented because coup
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 No.403575

>>403571
It was partly implemented to circumvent the roadsters strike, but yeah, it was never fully implemented because coup.
>>403069
F
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 No.403578

Hum, I'm surprised that no one mentioned Cybersin until now. In the last one there was mention of Kantorovich and Stafford Beer.
I haven't followed the thread lately but I hope something useful emerges.
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 No.403720

>>403558
>t. admitter of never having studied the October revolution a day in his life
Good look.
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 No.403803

>>403720
You know there was a huge amount of time before the October Revolution where the army did suppress the workers right?
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 No.403838

>>403575
>it was never fully implemented because coup
F
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 No.413812

Currently reading TANS to get more in depth into cybersoc stuff, and i have a question.
Cockshott says that the calculations for the system would be run by planning softwares on computers, and that a distributed decentralized feedback system for data would be in place.
In such a vision, my question is: Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
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 No.413831

>>413812
>Given taht the calculation are to be done in labour hours, how would the SNLT in labour hours for each object be derived?
I am 99.9% sure this gets answered in the book if you keep reading.
Basically you do what Marx already alluded to and count all the compound labor and make an aggregate.

If you make a wooden chair, the labor isn't just your assembly. It's also
1. Getting the wood
2. Getting the hammer
3. Getting the nails

You can break this up further:
1. Transporting all these materials
2. Someone tending after the trees
3. Someone mining resources for the purpose of building the hammer and the nails

You can break this up further:
1. Materials needed to create mining tools
2. Materials needed to create transportation means

And so on. You can do this over and over again, although you will get accurate results after a few iterations. The calculation problem doesn't exist and was formulated in a time where computers where actual human beings counting things and not data processing machines, certainly not the supercomputers of today (although Cockshott demonstrates that even moderately powerful 90s computers would be up to the task).
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 No.413924

>>413831
Doesn't this require firms not to lie on the necessary labour time for things though?
In a sense isn't there an element of trust in all this?

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