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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 02:55:34 No.356421

Every single leftist org is gonna have glowies in it, you just have to be careful and work around them if possible.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 02:57:47 No.356424

I honestly don't know how much of that is true considering any radical organization, even the ones that ultimately dont accomplish much like the environmentalist/animal rights people, is gonna be infiltrated. I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the most targeted, considering that they wielded a good amount of influence during the Depression times + had soviet connections, but idk if it remained the same after they were significantly weakened.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 02:58:18 No.356425

is the other way around akshually

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:01:57 No.356426

Protip: where there's reds, there's feds.

Every single leftist group (including decentralized anarchist ones that aren't "real" orgs) has glowies. The only thing you can do is be aware. If you're going to do something illegal, do it yourself.

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AusJuche!ZXQDW3xEPE 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:01:57 No.356427

>>356420
CPUSA's leadership was heavily infiltrated by the FBI during the cold war, yes.

It still almost certainly is to some degree but the same is true of any USian radical group, left or right, religious, political, etc. I've seen no evidence to suggest the CPUSA is any more heavily infiltrated than WWP, PSL, Red Guards, or your local anarchist group.

If you're in a western country period any group beyond a handful of people is probably going to have been infiltrated by either agents or assets/informants.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:01:57 No.356428

>>356425
So commies secretly run the FBI?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:03:10 No.356429

>>356428
always have

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:03:34 No.356430

>>356429
been

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:03:44 No.356431

>>356429
based and Bircher-pilled

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:04:12 No.356432

If the all-knowing all-pervasive police state has their tendrils in every possible attempt at organizing against capitalism, did we really ever stance a chance in America?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:04:53 No.356433

>>356427
Red guards are literally just glowies and alcoholic weirdos

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:05:20 No.356434

>If the all-knowing all-pervasive police state has their tendrils in every possible attempt at organizing against capitalism, did we really ever stance a chance in America?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:07:03 No.356438

>>356434
No

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:07:29 No.356440

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>>356420
American glowy honeypots are primarily Maoist, including within the CPUSA.

>The following is based on research by Aaron J. Leonard and Conor A. Gallagher for their book, A Threat of the First Magnitude: FBI Counterintelligence & Infiltration from the Communist Party to the Revolutionary Union - 1962-1974, (London: Repeater Books, 2018).

<“Comrades: The time has come to throw off the shackles of revisionism and return to the Revolutionary principles of Lenin, Stalin and Mao.” — Ad Hoc Committee, 1962.

<“A specific example of the ability of [Special Agent] Stallings is the fictitious counterintelligence ‘Ad Hoc Bulletin,’ ostensibly published by the also fictitious Ad Hoc Committee.” — Personnel file of FBI Special Agent Carl N. Freyman, 1964.

>Among the Maoist organizations to arise out of the political tumult of the 1960s was a group known as the Ad Hoc Committee for a Marxist-Leninist Party (initially called the Ad Hoc Committee for a Scientific Socialist Line). The entity, begun in 1962, was said to be a secret faction within the US Communist Party working against the “revisionism” of Nikita Khrushchev and US party leader Gus Hall. That the entire operation was an FBI construct was a mystery to all but a handful of FBI agents and informants.

>The group began with an ambiguously named publication known as the “Ad Hoc Bulletin.” The inaugural issue was titled, “Whither the Party of Lenin,” a denunciation of Nikita Khrushchev for his “shameful retreat” during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Its second bulletin, picking up on the theme of the first, charged the US party with revisionism (revising Marxism in a non-revolutionary direction), “parroting Moscow’s soft line approach to imperialism.” It also called out the Kennedy Administration as a “fascist type administration,” which the CP was accommodating. A later issue, appearing in August 1963, insisted that, “All who share the revolutionary spirit of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin have watched with disgust the deterioration of our Party since the days of the militant leadership of comrade [William Z.] Foster.” The message was clear: There was a radical faction operating within the CP standing in opposition to the current leadership.

>As hyper-radical as the AHC came across, the force behind the program was an FBI Special Agent named Herbert K. Stallings. Stallings, in an internal FBI memo, is described as an “agent of high intelligence and tremendous imagination” whose “knowledge of Marxism-Leninism is broad and outstanding” (SAC Chicago, To FBI Director 1/22/1964). Under Stallings’s tutelage the Ad Hoc program continued for fifteen years, targeting not only the CPUSA, but the emergent New Left.
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/167878

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AusJuche!ZXQDW3xEPE 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:08:18 No.356441

>>356433
I lean towards thinking that some of the Red Guards groups are state op's, yes. There are a bunch of them though and I know at least a couple of them evolved organically. These groups to quickly be taken over by Narcissists though. It can be hard to tell the difference between an org being run by a narcissist and a state op, but the end result is functionally the same.

>>356432
Not just org's against capitalism, pissy liberal anti war groups, religious groups, etc get infiltrated too. I'd be genuinely shocked if Jehovah's Witnesses or the Church or latter-day saints don't have some state agents/informants at the higher levels.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:08:32 No.356442

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From the 1950s to 1960s about 17-20% of the party were FBI agents, by one estimate.
From another estimate, ~1500 out of 5000 members were FBI, in other words about 30% of the organization.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:10:52 No.356445

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>>356442
In one example, Morris Childs, an agent of the FBI, actually attained a position on the CPUSA's central governing committee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Childs#Communist_Party_career

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:16:51 No.356447

>>356426
>where there's reds, there's feds.
Made me kek.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:21:38 No.356454

>>356445
This woman was an even bigger rat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Dodd
>By late 1947, Dodd became convinced of her pending Party expulsion for Browderism, and focused on her law work. On June 17, 1949, she heard from the Associated Press: "We have received a statement from the Communist Party announcing your expulsion from membership. It says here that you are anti-Negro, anti-Puerto Rican, anti-Semitic, anti-labor, and the defender of a landlord."[1][3][6] Ostensibly, she was expelled for representing a landlord in a legal dispute with a renter, violating Party bylaws against defense of private property.[7]…

>On April 8, 1952, Dodd rejoined the Roman Catholic Church after taking weekly instruction from Monsignor Fulton J. Sheen (whose converts also included Louis F. Budenz and Clare Booth Luce).[1][4][8] She became an outspoken proponent for the Catholic Church and a vocal anti-communist, warning against the "materialistic philosophy" which guided public education and demoraled Americans, as well as formed the basis of both Communism and Nazism.[9]

>On March 10, 1953, Dodd testified before a televised hearing of the U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee (SISS) about widespread Party infiltration of labor unions and other institutions. The following day, The New York Times front page stated: "Bella Dodd Asserts Reds Got Presidential Advisory Posts." Dodd had testified that "Communists had got into many legislative offices of Congress and into a number of groups advising the President of the United States," as well as the State of New York's Office of Education in Albany and New York City's Board of Education, and the Party had "read the minds" of some thousand school and college teachers in New York. It had been very easy for her to inject communist beliefs into her teaching: this was the "function of a Communist teacher…to create people willing to accept a Communist government." The only way to root out communism among teachers would be by "a Federal investigating group with subpoena power."[8]…

>Dodd named teachers who were communists or sympathizers ("suckers", as Kunzig characterized them), including Moe Finkelstein (American Committee for Democracy and Intellectual Freedom), Franz Boas, Albert Einstein, and Christian Gauss.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:27:08 No.356464

>>356454
>Ostensibly, she was expelled for representing a landlord in a legal dispute with a renter, violating Party bylaws against defense of private property.
isn't the CPUSA literally a landlord like right now, like they rent office space

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:29:50 No.356467

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>>356454
>stupid cunt bitch gets kicked out on her ass for being a piece of shit reactionary
>throws a massive tantrum and tries to get everyone investigated, arrested, killed, anything
All she managed to do was prove that everyone was right about her. Waste of oxygen.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:41:50 No.356482

>>356454
>>356467
What if I told you you’re in no way obligated to be loyal to people who aren’t loyal to you?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:45:05 No.356484

>>356482
I'd put you up against the fucking wall, traitor.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:46:22 No.356486

>>356454
>She became an outspoken proponent for the Catholic Church and a vocal anti-communist
Usual defector shit

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:50:46 No.356494

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>>356467
It's worse than that: she snitched because her priest (a notorious anti-communist) told her to as a means of "redeeming" herself.

>>356482
Dodd made a promise to be loyal to the CPUSA first. After Browder got purged and the hardliners (AKA real communists) took power again she couldn't handle shit. Everything that happened to her was her own fault.

Picrel is of a talk she gave a few years after she tattletaled (the audio quality is bad and she's clearly pitch-shifted). Protip: if you choose to run with ex-fanatical syndies, don't be surprised when they start behaving like fanatical syndies.

No one else deserves to drown because the waters were too difficult for you to swim in.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:51:33 No.356495

>>356482
Doesn't excuse being a snitch in this situation

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:54:59 No.356502

>>356454
>>On April 8, 1952, Dodd rejoined the Roman Catholic Church after taking weekly instruction from Monsignor Fulton J. Sheen (whose converts also included Louis F. Budenz and Clare Booth Luce).
Anyone else think Sheen was sus af?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 03:55:27 No.356503

>>356482
what does that have to do with being loyal to the party and the communist cause?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 04:03:25 No.356512

>>356494
>>356503
If the communist party manipulated me, ruined my marriage, forbade me from having children, put me in dangerous situations, purged me, slandered me in their newspaper and then sent KGB agents after me (allegedly) I’m not going to assume they’re loyal to me nor am I going to think I have any reason to stand with them.

I’m not saying snitching is always right, but there’s two sides to everything.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 04:07:18 No.356516

>>356512
thats no reason to cooperate with the capitalists any communist would know this

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 04:09:29 No.356520

>>356512
She played with fire and got burned. Again, no one else deserves to go down because you were too chickenshit.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 04:26:40 No.356539

>>356512
>If the communist party… forbade me from having children

Because THAT totally happened…

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 04:50:33 No.356560

>>356503
>loyal to the party
it doesnt get any spookier than this

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 05:05:18 No.356567

>>356440
>American glowy honeypots are primarily Maoist
Your source for all that was a book that studied glowie infiltration back in the 60s and 70s. Back then Maoism (or "anti-revisionist MLs" as they then called themselves) was the largest tendency of the US left, so obviously Maoist groups would get the most attention. The authors of the book were Maoists at the time too so they studied the groups they were familiar with. During the same time the FBI also infiltrated Trotskyist and I'm sure all other semi-relevant leftist orgs. For example, the US SWP, the largest Trot party at the time, was proven by court documents to have more than 300 FBI informants in it.

It's a fascinating book regardless. The big takeaway is that so-called "democratic centralism", far from protecting the org against police infiltration as originally envisioned, provides the perfect organizational lever for glowie spies to split and subvert the leftist cause. FBI agents can quickly rise to power by accusing members of "revisionism", "vulgarizing the dialectic" and the like, then use their power to push through mass purges of anyone seeking to unite the left - ironically, often through accusing their targets of being FBI agents themselves.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 05:14:53 No.356576

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>>356560
Yeah, loyalty. That's how it worked back in those days, Jack. It was a real deal. They controlled whole industrial unions, had 200,000 members, and although it's not publicly admitted, had strong-arm groups and assassination squads to deal with people they considered to be traitors. Not that this was something exclusively practiced by the Communist Party of course. It was just the 1930s/1940s. The Republicans ran a death squad out of Detroit and Huey Long had his own paramilitary structure that engaged in shootouts with Standard Oil's private army – probably the people who killed him.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 05:17:38 No.356578

>>356576
>the old CPUSA had shooters
Fucking based.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 05:30:14 No.356585

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>>356578
Just how deep politics was done. The fascist governor of Georgia at the time collaborated with the Ku Klux Klan to orchestrate murders and was never prosecuted and the FBI files on this were sealed until the 1990s long after he died. Here's a picture of a friendly local Michigan activist for the GOP who has some issues with labor unions and WPA officials sticking their noses around these parts. "You're not a communist are ya?" *click*

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 05:36:45 No.356590

>>356585
So the stuff about: >>356512
>then [the CPUSA] sent KGB agents after me
isn't that far-fetched at all?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 05:48:47 No.356594

>>356576
>>356585
Interesting, do you have any articles or reading on the subject?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 06:01:12 No.356606

>>356454
Remember to post rat emojis in the video’s comments section. Fuck snitches.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 06:18:25 No.356630

>>356494
Holy shit Foster was too based.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 06:27:50 No.356637

>>356567
The Feds loving Maoism is a traditions that's held through to this day, though. The M-Ls and trots didn't suddenly dissolve when the federal government was shut down like the "Red Guard" glowies.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 06:48:01 No.356655

>>356637
I don't want to snitchjacket, but most "Maoist Third Worldist" groups have always struck me as sus.

>hey comrade, first world peoples are not real proles but net exploiters, wanna donate a hundred dollars to our TOTALLY REAL cadres fighting people's war in [southeast asian country]?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:16:58 No.356731

I don't think they are currently feds. Just revisionist Browderites.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:37:32 No.356761

>>356731
How can we radicalize them?

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Sage!61KGLATVW. 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:38:42 No.356763

They were when they were big

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Sage!61KGLATVW. 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:39:19 No.356764

>>356421
Nah you have to have an org that is glowie proof

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:46:32 No.356778

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According to the CPUSA poster (probable glowie) they aren’t

So you should assume they are

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:49:02 No.356783

>>356441
So the real question is
Should the US and the West all be considered dystopian proto-fascist hell states considering they have tentacles of surveillance and manipulation in every single group that can plausibly have any amount of non-governmental/non-private influence?
The fucking Jehovah’s Witnesses?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:54:02 No.356791

>>356447
It's good advice.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 08:58:48 No.356797

>>356783
Doesn't china do this too or are you about to make yourself look stupid?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 09:00:10 No.356798

>>356797
Not a dengoid
Don’t support China
Wouldn’t be shocked if they also do this

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 09:19:30 No.356826

>>356798
I mean, you can support china while denouncing the shit they do. I don't understand why the left has to be so black and white about shit. It's the exact same reason why people being so against the idea of a socialist America or being defeatist about it is so shocking to me. It comes off more as nihilism rather than actual praxis. Is there anything you people actually advocate that we do?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 09:30:46 No.356837

>>356512
Bruh there was never any honour among union thugs. You’re naive as fuck for thinking there is.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 09:36:30 No.356845

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>>356783
>So the real question is Should the US and the West all be considered dystopian proto-fascist hell states considering they have tentacles of surveillance and manipulation in every single group that can plausibly have any amount of non-governmental/non-private influence?

Your are saying that the tentacles of surveillance are a source of class power, doesn't that just mean that we need to build the people's tentacles.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 09:38:20 No.356846

>>356845
Surveillance is useless if you can't impose punishments like jail on the people you spy on

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 09:39:41 No.356848

>>356826
Well climate change will fuck everything up so we take power during then

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 10:00:38 No.356880

>>356846
>Surveillance is useless if you can't impose punishments like jail on the people you spy on
I'm not so sure about that, if people had detailed information about what the ruling class is up to, it would be a lot easier to outmaneuver them.
Information on it's own is power too.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 10:16:08 No.356901

>>356880
Like the Panama Papers? The bourgeois barely bother to hide what they're doing, their plan is plain to see, it's just obscured by the constant torrent of outrage porn, culture wars, celebrity bullshit, sports, videogames, et cetera, and even the people that know about what the bourg are doing (like us) have no power to really do anything about it. If you know predatory landlords are buying up all the empty properties in your area to drive up the prices and rents, does that mean you can do anything about it? No, you can't, because it's perfectly legal to do that and even encouraged by the powers that be.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 10:40:12 No.356935

>>356901
When people know what the rulers are doing in general that is not particularly useful, but when they know the specific details that becomes empowering. I don't think that a predatory landlord would have a chance in an open power-struggle, and neither do they why else would they hide their actions or manufacture so many distraction.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 10:48:11 No.356938

>>356935
The landlord doesn't hide his actions, though, he uses ideology to hide his predatory nature and fool the people into thinking 'this is the way it is'. Look I'm not saying in-depth intelligence is entirely useless, obviously it can be sometimes, but overall, it's not the deciding factor here; the problem is how to convey what we already know and understand to the public and convince them that change is both possible and necessary.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 15:41:10 No.357224

>>356826
If you support China as an American you're just a traitor or a retard. I can't believe there are people that hate their country, but yet chose to live here and not leave. Socialists should just go to China, Cuba, North Korea and take their retarded ideas with them.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 15:48:52 No.357236

>>356454
>snitching on Einstein
You can’t make this shit up.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 15:56:53 No.357253

>>357224
I don't think every American communist hates their country. America is a beautiful country when you think about it, but the system could use some improvement. And some do travel to other countries. Maybe we can learn from other countries.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 15:58:38 No.357255

>>357224
No, we will stay here and defeat the reactionary clique that terrorizes the american people.

Get your burgerfaggot ass out of here.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:12:02 No.357272

>>356845
People's Tentacle Porn when

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:15:01 No.357278

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>>357224
>If you support China as an American you're just a traitor or a retard. I can't believe there are people that hate their country, but yet chose to live here and not leave. Socialists should just go to China, Cuba, North Korea and take their retarded ideas with them.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:36:10 No.357307

Daily reminder had the CPUSA not been so visible in the 1930s/40s the feds wouldn't have cracked down on them as hard as they did.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:37:50 No.357308

>>357307
What did they do that was so visible?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:53:41 No.357353

>>357307
This is giving me an aneurysm

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:54:09 No.357354

>>357308
Exist. Which they had no choice but to do. This is retarded

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:54:57 No.357356

>>357307
the way to communism is by not doing anything, few know this

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 16:56:50 No.357363

>>356440
Tbh this should probably show that glowies have no preference for any single political line, and that their cynical employment of one (be it Trotskyism, Maoism, anti-revisionist ML, anarchism) etc. has no bearing on the correctness of that tendency's analysis ore critiques. The feds deal in power, so they'll back any side so long as it weakens the dominant threat to the capitalist order, whatever that may be. For all the screeching about Trots being the useful idiots of reaction, it's certain that if they had come out on top in the inner-party struggles of the 20s, they could easily say the same about MLs.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:04:46 No.357383

>>357363
>For all the screeching about Trots being the useful idiots of reaction, it's certain that if they had come out on top in the inner-party struggles of the 20s, they could easily say the same about MLs.
if my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. your point is generally correct but these counterfactuals are never useful. there are concrete reasons why ML beat Trotskyism, and history would have had to go completely differently (we can't even guess how differently) for it to have been the other way around.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:06:20 No.357385

>>357307
Being "visible" was the right thing to do. You never create artificial barriers between you and the working class.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:07:55 No.357389

>>356837
T. Never even been in a union.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:11:05 No.357395

>>357389
Might've been a bit more rough-and-tumble back in the day. The goon squads working for union bosses certainly killed people. If the union went on strike, and if prevailing required blowing the door off the boss' house at 2:00 in the morning with a shotgun, then there was a way to make that happen.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:12:08 No.357399

>>357383
I agree, but my point was more that reaction making cynical use of this or that group does not automatically invalidate their critiques. Whether or not a tendency ends up inadvertently serving reaction has less to do with what they think and more to do with how they are positioned vis a vis the predominant threat to the status quo. For example if a serious social democratic movement were to emerge in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if the feds set up front orgs to push a more radical line to split and weaken that movement, as they apparently did with the Ad Hoc Committee. Despite this, the critiques of social democracy made by communists would still be valid. Hence pointing to the cynical use of this or that movement by reaction doesn't actually address the validity of their arguments.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:22:28 No.357423

>>356837
If that’s the case then why do we ascribe honour to party loyalty or the “no snitching” code?

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CPUSA Anon 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:50:56 No.357486

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>>356420
Even at the height of federal infiltration I believe informants never exceeded more than ~15% of membership.
That aside, when the feds make honeypot organizations, they're almost always bare bones. While keeping people from becoming communist in the first place is "ideal" for feds, its more common for them to simply keep communists disorganized and out of any kind of group. Historically, this is what the FBI did to our party and others. If you want a good example of this, look at the Ad-Hoc Committee for a Marxist-Leninist Party.
The Ad-Hoc Committee was the brainchild of a bunch of feds and staffed almost entirely by them. They attacked our party line as revisionist. They claimed the USSR betrayed the revolution by not escalating the Cuban missile crisis into a full-blown war. If I recall correctly they even claimed we were feds ourselves.
The end result, was that people would leave our party. They'd stop attending meetings. And in the best of cases, they'd warn others from joining us as well.
That is how federal infiltration works. Creating an actual, organized, and functioning group that engages in praxis is the last thing they want to do, even if the leadership is run by feds. They want people disorganized and atomized.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 17:54:14 No.357496

>>357486
CPUSA anon is based as always

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:05:15 No.357537

>>357486
As i've always stated. Anyone who is against joining an org is a fed.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:05:24 No.357539

>>357395
And that kind of potential force is absolutely necessary.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:07:18 No.357551

>>357224
I literally said the exact opposite of this. Respecting the traditions and cultures of other countries does not mean hating your country.

Working together for a better future (yes one in which countries might not even exist) does not mean hating your country. I want my country to succeed which is exactly why I want a communist government in the US. Nationalists are so brain dead:

"Wow you can say good things about X other country? You must HATE this country!" absolutely retarded, lol.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:08:24 No.357558

>>357255
That's rich coming from a reactionary.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:08:46 No.357559

>>357389
Motherfuckers who seize means of production for a living aren’t exactly thinking about honour.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:10:38 No.357570

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>>357486
Yep. I think their biggest concern is everyone coming together into a big ML group. They would try to break that up as much as they can.

>>357399
I think that's true. Including for social democrat stuff. I recall watching some former FBI guy on Fox News a few years ago and they were talking about "socialism in America" and the guy was like "oh yeah, this is really concerning, they're getting elected to Congress now, when one of our priorities back in the day was trying to prevent that." Just mask off, but we already knew this already. And he was referring to the DSA. You even wonder whether they… if not necessarily backed the DSA at one time… but just went easy on them as a non-system-threatening alternative to communist organizations, and then years later, the DSA inadvertently is well positioned to grow rapidly after a big economic crisis. And then suddenly all these self-proclaimed socialists are getting elected, and that's kind of an "oh fuck what do we do" moment.

Not the same, but I've heard the Tsarist secret police tended to go harder on anarchists before the 1917 revolution. They didn't see the Marxists as a big threat in comparison to the anarchists who were causing all kinds of mayhem at the time. Then there was a communist revolution led by Marxists.

It might also be something similar with how they've been going hard on the far right. You'll see them occasionally post here about how their d00ds are getting arrested a bunch, so that means they're more threatening to "the system." And it could be that they're violent, unhinged whackjobs, right? What does "being a threat to the system" mean, y'know? Even the weird nerds in the first few months of the Trump administration were quickly purged, and you can't really imagine school shooters taking over the government. Not that we will either, but there's a fallacy out there of thinking the government is omniscient or all-powerful and they control everything and so on. "They're not going as hard on the left because that's how they *controoool you*" but that's not really the case, as if they can predict the future. Maybe we're playing it a little smarter, maybe they can't really get away with just arresting us all, although they do try.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:13:16 No.357577

>>357356
Accelerationism but slow.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:16:34 No.357589

>>357395
Hoffa came to power after all the commies and socialists were removed from unions, which is a large part of why they turned to shit.

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CPUSA Anon 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:26:19 No.357617

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>>357496
Thanks
>>357537
Ehhh, it doesn't even have to be that extreme. A secondary issue, one that a lot of leftists online don't pay attention to these days, is the role of what I would term "vigilantes" in anti-communism.
Let's go back to the Ad-Hoc committee. At the time, everyone in the party leadership was certain they were just an op to attack the party, however they weren't entirely sure who was behind it. Gus Hall suspected, if I recall correctly, the Socialist Workers Party or some other Trotskyist group, precisely because Trots had been pulling similar bullshit for ages: crashing "Stalinist" meetings, attacking CPUSA members, even murdering a few.
Feds tend to focus more on "online" manipulation these days than training actual agents to infiltrate orgs, and I think in part they can use reactionaries, pathological anti-communists, so on, as a way to fill in gaps. A lot of reactionaries have an exaggerated sense of self-importance, or long for it, so they might do some insane shit like try to attend a protest or join an anarchist group just to tattle to the police.
>>357570
I remember seeing a file from the FBI or so that said the DSA wasn't worth infiltrating because they just intended to work within the democratic party and not overthrow the system.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:27:26 No.357626

>>357570
We'd do well to remember the fact that Hamas was once backed by Israel.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:31:57 No.357640

>>356454
100% certain this bitch was paid by the FBI.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:36:59 No.357650

>>357626
they did? Lol. What was the rationale behind that?

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:40:20 No.357660

>>357650
They were trying to undermine the secular Palestinian resistance organizations like the PLO who were the main threat to Israeli colonialism at the time. Basically it's exactly what I said here >>357399
Glowies will back any movement so long as doing so weakens the predominant opposition forces, although in some cases the group they back can later become the dominant opposition as with Hamas.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 18:45:04 No.357677

>>357617
>I remember seeing a file from the FBI or so that said the DSA wasn't worth infiltrating because they just intended to work within the democratic party and not overthrow the system.
Interesting, can you give me a link to it? Seeing directly what the feds think threatens them is always insightful. It reminds me of a quote from Mike Macnair:

<Both the Fabian/revisionist ‘democratic socialists’ and the Marxisant-Bakuninist ‘revolutionary socialists’ have thus swallowed whole what is best explained as an intellectual operation of Nato’s cold-war intellectual agenda to contain the workers’ movement in ‘safe’ forms. Fabianism is safe because of its constitutional loyalism; Marxisant-Bakuninism is safe because it condemns its practitioners to ineffectiveness.
From https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1266/containing-our-movement-in-safe-forms/

He doesn't provide much evidence for this assertion other than that influential historians of the left had intelligence backgrounds, for example Peter Nettl who "rediscovered" Rosa Luxemburg for Anglo audiences. There's a lot of evidence to be found in Leonard and Gallagher's Heavy Radicals book cited above though that the feds feared the strategy of oppositional electoralism and tried to push groups towards mass action and purifying splits instead. Having seen that, I'm looking for evidence that glowies promoted constitutional loyalism as well. Like the CPUSA practices now

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 19:01:55 No.357730

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>>356440
Non-US example, but since you mentioned:

>The Marxist–Leninist Party of the Netherlands (Dutch: Marxistisch-Leninistische Partij Nederland or MLPN) was a fake pro-China communist party in the Netherlands set up by the Dutch secret service BVD to develop contacts with the Chinese government for espionage purposes. The MLPN existed from 1968 to the early 1990s and was led throughout its existence by Pieter Boevé, who used the pseudonym Chris Petersen.

Boevé joined the Dutch secret service in 1955 after attending 5th World Festival of Youth and Students in Warsaw.[1] Prior to the MLPN's creation, he served as the international secretary of the Marxist-Leninist Centre of the Netherlands (MLCN), using his position to create contacts in China and Albania. He also started his own publication, De Kommunist, in 1966, against the wishes of his MLCN comrades. He was subsequently expelled from the party and formed his own League of Marxist-Leninists in the Netherlands (Liga van Marxisten-Leninisten in Nederland) in 1968. A year later, this party changed its name to the MLPN.

The MLPN claimed to represent the principles of Maoism against the "heresies" of the official pro-USSR Communist Party of the Netherlands. It never had more than a dozen real members, none of whom were aware of its actual purpose. Notwithstanding this, Boevé was able to cultivate many contacts within the Chinese government. He frequently received gifts and travelling expenses from the Chinese government and on one occasion was the guest of honour at a banquet presided over by Zhou Enlai.

The BVD dissolved the MLPN shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, when they judged that it was no longer necessary. Boevé and another former BVD member went public with the true story of the party in 2004.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_the_Netherlands

So much for "anti-revisionism" lmao

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 19:05:30 No.357736

>>357730
It's really starting to seem like the Khrushchevites and Brezhnev bros were backing the right horse all along.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 19:23:53 No.357784

File: 1625513033485.mp4 ( 1.17 MB , 640x480 , macho.mp4 )

>>357617
>Feds tend to focus more on "online" manipulation these days than training actual agents to infiltrate orgs, and I think in part they can use reactionaries, pathological anti-communists, so on, as a way to fill in gaps. A lot of reactionaries have an exaggerated sense of self-importance, or long for it, so they might do some insane shit like try to attend a protest or join an anarchist group just to tattle to the police.
It feels like some of them are also just lunatics who can be all over the map ideologically. Like Lee Harvey Oswald who was hanging around left and right-wing groups, had a shady background, and was being operationalized. And working as an tattletale also appeals to power-hungry types since it gives them a sense of "control" over a group. Especially the case in right-wing organizations where everyone wants to be the Fuhrer (who was a police snitch).

I think they also like to use macho psychology as a way of pressuring kiddos into doing what they want. Like "don't be a pussy" or "don't be a faggot." More common on the right, too, but works on the left more than some think. Probably a lot worse on the left back in the 60s/70s. And also used a way of recruiting informants where the cop sits the guy down in the room and straight-up calls him a pussy unless he snitches. Men with power and authority complexes are easily manipulated by police who are like "authority figures" in a sense and who also love to play those mind games on these guys.

There was one account of the Black Panthers that I read about where something similar happened. A glowie inserted himself into a mostly-white, middle-class leftist radical group in California, and acted in a really macho and aggressive way, which impressed these dopes, and he then leaped from there to the Panthers via contacts he developed through the white radical group, and then snitchjacketed a bunch of Panthers to disrupt the organization and was very successful. Before that, however, he had infiltrated a different group in Chicago that had more women in it, and they kicked him out because they didn't like his behavior.

"Women's intuition" maybe. I don't know if that's a real thing, but my mother believes in it. I do wonder if women are better at spotting men who are pulling some game. But women can be informants, too, of course.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 20:12:06 No.357942

>>356567
There's a difference between an organization that has *informants* in it and a honeypot, an organization or movement secretly run by the feds.

Pretty much any org is going to have informants in it, but honeypots are going to be wreckers that attempt to get people to commit illegal activities so they can be arrested. Maoist orgs have been and still are this to a T.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 20:21:01 No.357968

>>356482
>>356837
t. Never met a 95-year old CPUSA member who's still loyal to WZF's memory to this day.

Fuck, now I'm going to pull a Caleb Maupin and start crying.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 20:44:28 No.358041

>>356512
Bella broke the trust first by taking Browder's side when the Party was going haywire.

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Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 20:53:37 No.358057

It's better to be in a bad org than no org at all

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 02:04:32 No.358737

>>356486
It was VERY common for ex-communists to publicly "repent" and "find religion" during McCarthyism.

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 02:08:31 No.358742

>>356454
MKULTRA is one hell of a drug(s).

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 02:22:04 No.358764

>>358742
This was before MKULTRA. This was during McCarthyism.

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 04:02:06 No.358903

>>356837
>i didn't choose the union thug life, the union thug life chose me

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 04:23:58 No.358922

>>358903
this is some high quality cia posting friens.

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 04:24:39 No.358923

>>356494
Someone send this clip to Maupin. He'll probably laugh his head off.

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 07:54:32 No.359141

>>357968
Who the hell remains loyal to someone who’s been dead for 60 years?

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 19:19:30 No.359998

>>356454
So, this is just 6ix9ine but with communists instead of gang members?

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 19:59:31 No.360068

>>357736
obsessed

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Anonymous 2021-07-06 (Tue) 21:12:04 No.360176

>>357617
>tfw no femme fatale trenchcoat cpusa gf
jdimsa

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Anonymous 2021-07-07 (Wed) 01:27:02 No.360635

>>357617
>that cartoon
How I fucking wish the CPUSA was that based.

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Anonymous 2021-07-07 (Wed) 18:01:17 No.361958

>>356454
I cannot imagine having the level of scumfuckery needed to snitch on that many people.

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Anonymous 2021-07-07 (Wed) 18:01:17 No.361959

>>356454
I cannot imagine having the level of scumfuckery needed to snitch on that many people.

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 17:00:03 No.364361

>>364341
That's just another form of defeatism

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 17:04:02 No.364374

>>364341
I mean, what does it matter if we are not out right advocating for the forcible over throw of the government via violent means?

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 17:56:43 No.364484

Yes every single organization is run by federal agents, your best course of action is to just sit there and shitpost

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 18:41:33 No.364556

>>364536
>>364530
Defeatism is also a fed tactic

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 18:49:03 No.364570

>>357423
No one in that world has any honour bro. Back in the day you didn't become a communist because you wanted to virtue signal, you became a communist because you were willing to fight and die (God forbid) for a better world. Likewise, you don't get any virtue points for handing your former comrades over to Joe McCarthy and the feds. All that "the Party ruined my life and I found Jesus and then I decided to snitch in order to be granted forgiveness" sounds like a cute little redemption story until you realize it's normal for comrades to eat each other alive (especially during times of crisis) and you were basically in for this.

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 19:09:36 No.364605

>>357486
>That is how federal infiltration works. Creating an actual, organized, and functioning group that engages in praxis is the last thing they want to do, even if the leadership is run by feds. They want people disorganized and atomized.
This.

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Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 19:11:15 No.364612

No they aren't and anyone telling you they are is a glowie trying to kill things in it's crib. This has proven to be a glowie tactic of making leftists not trust each other to break solidarity.

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 05:27:36 No.365579

>>356454
TradCaths are insane.

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 12:09:44 No.365904

>>356445
CPUSA Anon or anyone with knowledge of turncoats can you explain this man?

How could someone as knowledgeable and deep it communist politics betray it so thoroughly?

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 12:38:17 No.365957

yes, just like this website

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 15:06:56 No.366206

>>356512
>If the communist party manipulated me, ruined my marriage, forbade me from having children, put me in dangerous situations, purged me, slandered me in their newspaper and then sent KGB agents after me (allegedly) I’m not going to assume they’re loyal to me nor am I going to think I have any reason to stand with them.
If that happens you just leave the party quietly and don't talk to feds.

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 16:17:35 No.366311

>>366206
Or rather, you were stupid for running with those people in the first place if you couldn’t handle what they demanded of you.

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 17:37:17 No.366419

ALL parties and movements are either ran by federal agents or obliterated by them in short order.

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 21:54:38 No.366838

>>357570
>It might also be something similar with how they've been going hard on the far right. You'll see them occasionally post here about how their d00ds are getting arrested a bunch, so that means they're more threatening to "the system." And it could be that they're violent, unhinged whackjobs, right? What does "being a threat to the system" mean, y'know? Even the weird nerds in the first few months of the Trump administration were quickly purged, and you can't really imagine school shooters taking over the government. Not that we will either, but there's a fallacy out there of thinking the government is omniscient or all-powerful and they control everything and so on. "They're not going as hard on the left because that's how they *controoool you*" but that's not really the case, as if they can predict the future. Maybe we're playing it a little smarter, maybe they can't really get away with just arresting us all, although they do try.
Another problem is that the feds (who are all libs, obviously) as libs think all their enemies are the same. So they can only focus on one group of dissidents at one time. During the cold war they targeted leftists and ignored fascists. During the 90s feds targeted fascists and ignored communists. During the Bush years they targeted islamists and ignored everyone else, now they are targeting the right again. What we need to do is put pressure on progressives in congress to reduce the feds funding so they can't target us sometime in the future.

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 22:11:05 No.366857

>>356764
even the bolsheviks weren't glowie proof there were some okhrana in it

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Anonymous 2021-07-09 (Fri) 23:29:58 No.366943

>>356764
>>366857
the solution is to have people in your org who are double agents

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Anonymous 2021-07-10 (Sat) 01:15:58 No.367070

>>356494
>"we've got to train these people so that they are able to kill"
BASED.

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Anonymous 2021-07-10 (Sat) 02:37:14 No.367182

>>366857
Much worse than just "some Okhrana in it". Of the 6 Bolshevik parliamentary deputies (also CC members) in the 1912 Duma, 2 of them were Okhrana agents. One of the agents even persuaded Lenin himself to support appointing another agent the editor of Pravda. This is the oldest trick in the book, but it still didn't stop the revolution.

The central element of Leninist anti-infiltration techniques was this: make sure everyone is given Party assignments, and monitor their work closely to ensure they carry out their tasks as mandated. If they do bad work, they might be saboteurs dragging their feet, or they might just be shitty Communists. If they do good work, maybe they are infiltrators… but they're still being forced to do good work for the Party, which advances the cause just as much as if they bona fide Communists. If followed properly, perhaps the perfect spy can be a Party man for 40 years and spend it all snitching and informing, but he will also have done 40 years of good Party work which advances the cause.

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Anonymous 2021-07-10 (Sat) 02:39:26 No.367188

>>367182
>If followed properly, perhaps the perfect spy can be a Party man for 40 years and spend it all snitching and informing, but he will also have done 40 years of good Party work which advances the cause.
Holy shit that's actually brilliant.

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Anonymous 2021-07-10 (Sat) 16:40:48 No.368082

>>356445
>>356454

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Anonymous 2021-07-10 (Sat) 16:45:13 No.368085

>>367182
The best recipe is having good politics.

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bump Anonymous 2021-07-11 (Sun) 01:53:16 No.368995

probably not

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Anonymous 2021-07-11 (Sun) 18:07:01 No.369883

>>364570
So why do we expect Communist Parties to be honorable to their members?

Why are there no rules yet loyalty and following the party line are the rules beyond the rules?

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Anonymous 2021-07-12 (Mon) 07:29:32 No.371709

>>368085
oh geez why hasn't anyone thought about that before? Like when the Bolsheviks got infiltrated they should have just had better politics. When COINTELPRO smashed the US left they should have just all had better politics.

p.s. please give me a fully defined, unquestionable, mathematically precise definition of 'good politics'

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Anonymous 2021-07-12 (Mon) 07:58:46 No.371731

>>371709
>p.s. please give me a fully defined, unquestionable, mathematically precise definition of 'good politics'
I'm not good with definitions. Isn't that something that can only be determined by experience?

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CPUSA Anon 2021-07-12 (Mon) 15:32:19 No.372213

>>366857
>>367182
Well guys time to pack it up. The Bolsheviks are run by the Okhrana, and I hear that Lenin is a shill for the Kaiser.
>>365904
Thought I replied to this earlier, guess I'll do it now. I think it's important to know that not everyone gets their "Road to Damascus" moment. Someone could study Marxist theory and be really, truly knowledgeable about it. They know about the declining rate of profit. The exploitation of the workers. Yet for one reason or another they choose to shill for the bourgeoisie, even if it wont immediately benefit them.
It could be out of some misplaced sense of patriotism or some feeling that Communism would take something precious from them. Or it could just be they feel incapable of causing change. I think a little bit about how we all collectively know climate change is going to be a disaster for us, yet we're still building beachfront property. Because, perhaps, we don't think things can change…

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Anonymous 2021-07-12 (Mon) 21:22:25 No.372994

>>372213
Comrade, have you heard of this woman?
>>356454

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xMQY2olqyo

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Anonymous 2021-07-13 (Tue) 06:40:13 No.374331

>>368082
Snake shit.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 02:40:16 No.376314

File: 1626230413543.pdf ( 6.43 MB , 195x300 , Heavy Radicals - The FBIs ….pdf )

read heavy radicals

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 02:47:19 No.376326

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So I recently got around to reading some criticism for this guy, and all I can say is he seems like the kind of dishonest hack peddling race war ideology that the CIA would love to fund. It's apparent that he is a trash historian who warps, misreads, and misquotes sources to paint a narrative whose function is to replace class politics with race politics, and he gets away with it by preying on the white liberal guilt complexes of sympathetic progressive news people like Paul Jay. And, somehow, he's affiliated with CPUSA. Any response, CPUSA apologists?

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:02:12 No.376355

>>376326
Communists have always stood in the front ranks in the fight against racism. End of story.

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CPUSA Anon 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:12:29 No.376382

>>372994
Not once.
I'll say this though, we do have Comrades in the clergy. We've got Imams, Rabbis, and Pastors who are members of The Communist Party. Priests though? Not really.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:15:11 No.376390

>>376355
>End of story
You never began your story. The man straight up makes shit up about American history to appeal to a white guilt narrative. Why has he been an invited speaker and a frequent editor to CPUSA events and publications? I've seen him talk many, many times now (only recently catching on to his grift) and he almost never talks about class or capitalism.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:16:04 No.376396

>>376382
>We've got Imams, Rabbis, and Pastors who are members of The Communist Party.
Based. Know any communist rabbis I can speak to? I'm Jewish obviously.

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CPUSA Anon 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:17:31 No.376398

>>376396
Unfortunately I don't, I'm Roman Catholic myself.
If you'd want to become a Communist Rabbi, though, we'd be happy to help c:

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:20:17 No.376407

>>376398
I'm a woman so technically I can't. I'd gladly marry a communist rabbi though.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:23:13 No.376413

>>376390
In fact the most surprising revelation to me upon closer scrutiny of him was not the fact that he's a fraudulent historian who abuses sources regularly to construct a narrative. No, it's that he's affiliated with CPUSA or any other sort of anti-capitalist politics. Because he sure sounds like a liberal from every interview I've ever seen of him. Seriously, what the fuck?

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:31:48 No.376435

>>376326
>>376413
The CPUSA has long been infiltrated by soc-dems and libs, still it is easier to save the party then build a new one

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:32:24 No.376437

>>376435
I'd rather save the Party and keep its legacy alive than disregard it.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:33:55 No.376444

>>376435
I'm convinced making the Greens into a communist party is easier than that pathetic husk of infiltration and sectarianism.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:39:13 No.376462

>>376398
How do you reconcile being a practicing Catholic with being a communist?

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:39:13 No.376463

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>>372994
>betray the commies for jesus, get shunned by the left AND catholics think you're a commie agent
Such is the reward of traitors

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:40:26 No.376467

>>376463
Listen to what she says in this clip here:
>>356494

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:44:03 No.376478

>>376463
More like, she claimed the CPUSA put 1000 communist infiltrators into the Catholic priesthood and people bought it hook, line, and sinker.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:45:17 No.376481

>>376444
why not do both, then merge them together as well with the hundreds of Maoist and Trot sects, for the left to win, it has to be unified

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:47:27 No.376487

>>376481
That's exactly what people like Howie Hawkins and projects like leftelect.net have been trying to do, actually.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:49:49 No.376494

>>376487
for communists to take power we need to leave the splits of the twentieth and nineteenth century behind. Anarchism, Trotskyism, Marxist-Leninism, and Maoism are all very meaningless terms, why should we be divided about the taxonomy of a state that died thirty years ago?

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 03:51:55 No.376501

>>376494
I would like to see a united movement toward civilian legislation and sortition. What sect could possibly disagree with that?

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 05:41:44 No.376659

>>376494
Based and wholesome. We must heal and come together unironically. I see so much sectarianism and shit flinging, and it has actually proved not to be constructive whatsoever.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 08:24:15 No.376824

>>357224
Literal low IQ /pol/ tier posting, good thing the mods don't even ban these vermin anymore, people like these are the ones defending the rich and neoliberalism, the revolution will be a walk in the park.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 08:46:56 No.376842

>>376390
>The man straight up makes shit up about American history to appeal to a white guilt narrative
Like what, exactly

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 17:07:40 No.377405

>>376842
WSWS has a good critique of his shoddy history in his most recent book:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/18/horn-m18.html

Ignore their usual sectarianism near the end of course.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 17:53:00 No.377522

>>356464
while thats a questionable policy, renting out office space isnt nearly comparable to renting out homes

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 19:37:29 No.377792

>>376435
I've worked with libs and socdems outside the party, but everyone I know in the party is a hardcore ML. Maybe you could email some of these "socdems" in the party you've identified and see what they have to say about it.

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 21:34:51 No.378040

>>377792
CPUSA is the only socdem party that has nothing but ML members

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 21:39:58 No.378056

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>implying MLs aren't simply succdems in red

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Anonymous 2021-07-14 (Wed) 23:07:43 No.378217

Dumping this for historical reference.

This is what our CPUSA comrades went through in the 1940s.

Fuck the feds.

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Anonymous 2021-07-16 (Fri) 03:32:50 No.380914

>>356421
FPBP

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Anonymous 2021-07-16 (Fri) 03:35:27 No.380917

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>>378056
Vanguard parties are just representative democracy where everything is run by a ruling class separate from the workers except they don't even let you pretend to have a choice.
Change my mind.

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Anonymous 2021-07-16 (Fri) 04:36:17 No.380996

>>368082
Jesus fucking Christ. Being a CPUSA member in the 1930s wasn't like being a Blood, even if they happen to share the same colour scheme.

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Anonymous 2021-07-16 (Fri) 05:30:23 No.381061

>>380917
>Vanguard parties are just representative democracy where everything is run by a ruling class separate from the workers
Everyone in a vanguard party has to be accountable, decisions made on the basis of democratic centralism. People elected into positions generally are workers and it's their responsibility (indeed, the responsibility for anyone in the party) to stay in touch with the wider working class. There isn't a "ruling class," it's a party not an entire self contained society with it's own mode of production.

>don't even let you pretend to have a choice
Freedom of discussion, unity of action etc.

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Anonymous 2021-07-16 (Fri) 08:46:03 No.381265

>>380917
"Representative democracy" is not democracy.

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Anonymous 2021-07-16 (Fri) 08:50:36 No.381269

>>381265
Big brain: Representative democracy is just liberal vanguardism

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Anonymous 2021-07-18 (Sun) 18:35:50 No.386183

>>380996
>Being a CPUSA member in the 1930s wasn't like being a Blood, even if they happen to share the same colour scheme.

ma uygha

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 03:03:15 No.388995

>>368082
>hate society
>join the communist party thinking it's the way to destroy society
>do secret work for the GRU
>dip out of that lifestyle
>proceed to snitch on people who were never part of the party to begin with
>get a fuck ton of clout as an anti-communist celebrity
Cringe.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 06:27:00 No.389439

>>356445
>>356454
>>368082
Snitches *clap* get *clap* stitches. *clap clap*

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Anonymous 2021-07-22 (Thu) 06:04:18 No.393694

>>356445
Gross.

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 06:01:16 No.404501

>>356420
Should I join?

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Anonymous 2021-07-27 (Tue) 07:01:11 No.404543

CPUSA never did manage to read anything from any marxist or leninist ever. What is illegal activity, what is guarding against FBI taking over your leading positions etc., lmao.

Fuck americans

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 04:08:37 No.406484

>>404543
Not to mention in his days as a syndie Foster left a fuckton of breadcrumbs for the feds.

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 15:34:09 No.407170

So how big is CPUSA compared to a few years ago? Have they actually grown?

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 18:48:04 No.407473

>>406484
boster… bad?

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 18:59:10 No.407489

>>407473
This pamphlet screams evidence.
https://youtu.be/e5wp983GQaM?t=820

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 19:11:05 No.407499

>>407489
everyone there seems to like foster please explain it as if im 5

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 19:38:46 No.407524

>>407499
He and a few comrades of his wrote a pamphlet when he was an an-syn describing their plan to destroy capitalism.

The feds got a hold of it and used the info against him when he was called to a federal hearing after leading the 1919 steel strike.

Dude could have avoided a lot of repression had he and his buddies been more security conscious.

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 19:39:50 No.407526

>>404543
They are far more Marxist-Leninist than ultras like you.

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 19:45:54 No.407534

Who cares, they’re fully subsumed by the trans cult so they’re reactionary regardless

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 20:26:46 No.407614

>>407524
so foster not bad, foster was just naive thats what I got too, thank you

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 20:31:21 No.407628

>>407614
Foster was arguably one of the greatest communists to come out of the US.

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 20:36:44 No.407639

>>407628
Based :)

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 21:53:51 No.407775

uyghur

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 21:55:25 No.407778

>>407775
uyghaz wit attitudes (U.W.A)

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 22:03:39 No.407791

amogus

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Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 22:14:12 No.407807

>>407170
Many CPUSA people say that the party has grown massively within the last years. But Communist Parties do not publish statistics about membership and membership growth (for obvious reasons) so you have to take their word for it. The only way to confirm would be to ask someone who is active in the org.

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Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 04:53:43 No.408579

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CPUSA Anon, I just noticed that the Oregon, Washington chapter of your split-off party, PCUSA is named after John Reed. What are your thoughts on this? The original CPUSA John Reed Club network used to have chapters across the country before they all got consolidated into the American Artists' Congress at a conference hosted by The New School in 1936. Seems like a blatant vulgarization of party history.

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Anonymous 2021-07-29 (Thu) 13:37:49 No.409072

>>356421
Glowing hands typed that post.

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 03:19:45 No.412109

All "communist organizations" are honeypots.

If they weren't the government would have banned them outright by now.

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 04:47:54 No.412249

>>408579
>PCUSA
When the username you want is already taken

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 04:58:58 No.412260

>>356432
The Bolsheviks were basically a German fifth column that gained back its independence. Even before that a lot of people were okhara agents. There will always be infiltrators but it doesn’t completely ruin an org if you know how to combat it. The worst case scenario is something like the Communist party of Malaya where the infiltrator got to the position of general secretary and doomed the whole thing.

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 05:14:45 No.412286

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>>412249
It's funny because they have their own Young Communist League (YCL) as well. It's called the League of Young Communists (LYC)

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 05:18:42 No.412292

>>412286
LOL

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 08:02:50 No.412588

>>356576
>>356585
And what's there evidence the Communist Party killed anyone?

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 19:45:16 No.413479

>>356576
>all those amerikan flags
BARF

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Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 21:21:25 No.413630

>>412286
communist graffiti kinda cool tho

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Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:58:19 No.414052

>>356576
>although it's not publicly admitted, had strong-arm groups and assassination squads to deal with people they considered to be traitors
The lack of a sufficiently underground, militant wing of CPUSA is arguably why the party got so thoroughly wrecked by the feds' purges. It's how we got to the point of having an 'army without a party' in the 1960s and 1970s with groups encompassing the NCM.

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Anonymous 2023-08-30 (Wed) 18:44:34 No.414061

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I can still post?