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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Anonymous 2020-12-22 (Tue) 23:49:24 No.211384[View All]

A general thread for all China related discussion.

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Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:28:01 No.413974

Hi everyone.
Looking for some Chinese stocks to invest in now that the regulatory storm seems over.
Which stocks could you suggest me?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:28:27 No.413975

>>413974
>when proven wrong
<pretend China is an-cap
pottery

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:28:42 No.413976

>>413969
You are completely fucking stupid.
Centenary of CPC =/= centenary of market reforms

>The fact that Xi is general secretary alone proves that no reaction is strong enough to hold back the revolution.
Messiah complex

>LITERALLY NEP
The NEP did not produce any billionaire and last a few years, while Dengoidism lasts 70 years. If you already cite historical materialism to justify state capitalism, you are completely ignoring the base & superstructure aspect inherent to historical materialism (because you actually never read Marx like half this thread)

>All fancy words for "MOOOOMM!!!! JUST ABOLISH CAPITALISM!!! ABOLISH ALL BILLIONAIRES !!!! ABOLISH BEDTIME!!"
You are too far gone, but perhaps people lurking this thread will see Western Dengoids for the retards they are.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:29:21 No.413977

>>413975
???

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:29:39 No.413978

>>413968
>moderately prosperous socialist society
What the fuck do you think this means OMEGAKEK

It literally means that the second goal is the transition to fucking socialism under dictatorship of the proletariat.

>moderately prosperous SOCIALIST country
moderately prosperous: ✅
socialist: ❎

So it logically follows, the second centenary goal that has come into plan right fucking now, is the TRANSITION OF A MODERATELY PROSPEROUS MARKET ECONOMY UNDER DOTP TO A SOCIALIST SOCIETY

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:32:23 No.413983

>>413976
>>413978
Read >>413973

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:32:25 No.413984

>>413976
>Centenary of CPC =/= centenary of market reforms
NO BITCH. THE CENTENARY THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IS THE WRONG ONE YOU FUCKING MORON

>Messiah complex
>Democratic centralism
>The fact that Xi has achieved that role and that the party approves of him literally means that the party is full of revolutionaries.

>The NEP did not produce any billionaire and last a few years
<Capitalism is when BILLIONAIRE and NEP is when LAST FEW YEARS

>You are too far gone, but perhaps people lurking this thread will see Western Dengoids for the retards they are.
I'm literally eastern. Nice cope tho

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:32:57 No.413985

>>413976
How much are they paying you to glow this hard?

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:33:55 No.413986

>>413984
>>413978
>>413969
This is me btw, name fell off

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:33:55 No.413987

>>413978
What the fuck are you even arguing at this point, you Twitch autist?
http://theory.people.com.cn/n1/2017/1016/c40531-29589477.html

>第三步，到2050年，全面实现社会主义现代化。这与全面建成小康社会、全面建设共富社会、全面建成共富社会形成现代化发展的逻辑和阶段。

>之后，中国将进入社会主义中级阶段，可能还需要几十年的时间。为此可以考虑并提出第三个百年奋斗目标，即到改革开放100年时（2078年）建成高度发达的社会主义现代化国家，构成实现中华民族伟大复兴的重要目标。

>The third step is to fully realize socialist modernization by 2050. This is in line with building a well-off society in an all-round way, building a society of mutual prosperity in an all-round way, and building a society of mutual prosperity in an all-round way, forming the logic and stage of modern development.

>After that, China will enter the intermediate stage of socialism, which may take decades. To this end, we can consider and put forward the third centenary goal, that is, to build a highly developed socialist modern country by the 100th year of reform and opening up (2078), which constitutes an important goal for achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.

The transition starts in 2050 and is planned to reach developed socialism by 2078 (all under the ridiculous assumption of course that one can plan almost 60 years ahead into the future).

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:35:25 No.413988

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>>413932
>China is Socialist by 2050

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:35:30 No.413989

>>413985
>Anything going against my 2050 fantasies is a glow-op

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:36:10 No.413991

>>413988
IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, RETARD
Do you know how short term and long term planning works?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:36:21 No.413992

>>413976
>Centenary of CPC =/= centenary of market reforms
What does this even supposed to mean, you two dimensional pixel?

The CPC's goal of "moderately prosperous society" which was set as a goal by 2021 was already achieved. Literal fucking bourgeois statistics and data can attest to this fact, even if you believe that "everything coming out of china is mere propaganda."

ARE YOU STUPID?

>The NEP did not produce any billionaire and last a few years
I already addressed this shit like a year ago, but here I go again:
<Soviet NEP ended in 1928
>China's GDP achieved soviet NEP's end stage in the late 60's

>>>>muh soviet NEP [WHICH WASN'T IN A VACUUM]
<actual Chinese situation [likewise, not in a vacuum]
<Chinese comrades after the Sino-Soviet split be like: "yeah, fuck it, what develops our productive forces the most?"

<<<<actual economic data proving the China developed their productive forces due to "Opening Up" policy
source: Classical Political Economics and Modern Capitalism, Tsoulfidis, Tsaliki…

>If you already cite historical materialism to justify state capitalism, you are completely ignoring the base & superstructure aspect inherent to historical materialism
A literal meaningless statement.

t. actually read Marx, Engels, Lenin

>>>>JUST ABOLISH CAPITALISM!!! ABOLISH ALL BILLIONAIRES !!!! ABOLISH BEDTIME!!"
Again, as I said above: a teenager acting out. When a teenager can not comprehend the complexities around him he will resort to good sounding but inane idiocies that are mere products of his mind.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:38:36 No.413993

>>413987
>To this end, we can consider and put forward the third centenary goal, that is, to build a highly developed socialist modern country by the 100th year of reform and opening up (2078), which constitutes an important goal for achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.
>third centenary goal
>THIRD

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:38:56 No.413994

>>413987
>After that, China will enter the intermediate stage of socialism, which may take decades. To this end, we can consider and put forward the third centenary goal, that is, to build a highly developed socialist modern country by the 100th year of reform and opening up (2078), which constitutes an important goal for achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.
You are sooo fucking stupid

Is this on purpose? Are you trolling? IT LITETRALLY SAYS THERE that China enters the intermediate stage of socialism = enters socialism. What takes decades? Socialist automation? Obviously, higher end communism isn't gonna just appear out of nowhere, but that fragment you sent LITERALLY SAYS CHINA IS SOCIALIST BY 2050 AND IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPING ITS PRODUCTIVE FORCES UNDER SOCIALISM TOWARDS 2078

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:39:02 No.413995

>>413991
Happening how? A majority of the GDP is produced in the private sector, a majority of urban workers work for private enterprises. Putting a few party cadres in corporations is not building socialism, nor is lessening college tuition or healthcare insurances costs which you cited earlier.

China and the EU just signed a deal this very year that China will significantly ease its joint-venture laws so that EU companies can own Chinese factories 100% in certain industries instead of having to go 50/50, including the automobile industry and private hospital franchises.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:39:09 No.413996

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>>413976
>[IF] justify state capitalism
This, coming from a supposed Cuba poster.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:40:49 No.413997

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>Taliban
<Create a positive image and and adopt an inclusive policy
>Taliban

😎 🇨🇳

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:41:47 No.413999

>>413995
>Happening how?
Slow transition to socialism, made possible by the party. It's already been decided dude. What planet do you live on?

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:43:11 No.414000

>>413997
Gotta bomb the mudslimes, amirite brudda?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:43:46 No.414002

>>413988
>>413989
T. Not trusting the plan
Your lack of faith is disturbing, anons.

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:44:45 No.414003

Guys, let's give up on economic planning because trusting the plan is literally against human nature and is very stupid.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:45:06 No.414004

>>413992
>actual economic data proving the China developed their productive forces due to "Opening Up" policy

<South Korea developed its productive forces after WW2
<Japan developed its productive forces after WW2
<Singapore developed its productive forces after WW2

Line goes up =/= socialism

Literally every country in the existence of mankind, even the biggest shithole you can think of, has grown its economy from 1980 until 2021, what are you even fucking saying?

>A literal meaningless statement.
<Doesn't know a single thing about the contradictions between base and superstructure
Good luck changing to socialism when a majority of your base is capitalist and your superstructure is already infested by it. Have you seen the new Chinese civil law book? Have you ever been to China? Do you know anything about China besides memes? Have you ever talked to a real Chinese person in your entire life? What do you actually think will happen on January 1st 2050?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:45:14 No.414005

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MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE?

THIS IS A REGULAR OCCURRENCE IN /PRC/ GENERAL: SUPPOSED ANTI-"""DENGISTS""" (WHICH IS TO SAY: COMRADES IDIOTIC PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CHINA IS NOT UNDER """DENGISM""") GETTING BTFO

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL, THAT THE FURTHER CHINA ADVANCES, THE MORE WE WILL HAVE OF THESE SOUR CRETINS.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL, THAT AFTER A FEW YEARS AND IF THESE CRETINS KEEP MONITORING THIS THREAD, MORE AND MORE FROM THEIR RANKS WILL COME OUT AS PEOPLE WHO ARE "SORRY FOR THE IGNORANT SHIT" THEY SAID ABOUT CHINA.

REMEMBER TO STICK TO THE FACTS, COMRADES.

WE ALREADY KILLED SOME OF OUR NOTORIOUS POSTERS SUCH AS SABOCAT.

THEY ARE

P A P E R T I G E R S
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Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:47:38 No.414012

>>414005
>Using Stalin to defend a communist party with actual billionaires in it
See you in 2050 when China hits the big red communism button, I guess.

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:48:11 No.414013

Remember materialism? Remember class struggle? Remember historical materialism? Remember how each country is gonna have its own path towards socialism?
FUCK THAT SHIT
Apparently, we can just seize the means of production overnight. Yayy!!!! let's do it bros!

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:48:38 No.414016

>>414002
Any socialist knows you have to base your entire worldview off what a politician promises will happen in 29 years

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:49:15 No.414017

>>414013
>Remember class struggle?
UHHHH……

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:49:47 No.414021

>>414013
100%

IF YOUR COUNTRY DOESN'T FOLLOW THE EXACT PATH OF THE USSR, YOU ARE REVISIONIST!!!

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:49:51 No.414022

>>414012
>See you in 2050 when China hits the big red communism button, I guess.
China already hit it, moron. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND???
China already started moving towards lower end communism. In the period 2050-2078 they're just gonna develop it to the extreme, superabundance, maybe even higher end communism. What the fuck don't you understand?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:51:03 No.414024

>>414013
>Remember class struggle?
The thing that Jiang Zemin said no longer applies to China when he formulated the Three Represents Theory, instead promoting class collaboration? The concept that is no longer used in China anywhere? You mean that thing?

>Remember historical materialism?
You mean the concept that states that a new mode of production can only arise when the contradictions of the base and superstructure grow too big? In a country where the base is firmly capitalist, at best state capitalist?

>we can just seize the means of production overnight
There is only seizing overnight and having a 70-year NEP, and nothing in between.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:51:43 No.414027

>>414017
The Chinese constitution as it is today literally states that class warfare will intensify under the current stage of development.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:52:13 No.414030

>>414018
>I'm retarded, but also
>HURR
>but most importantly
>DURR

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:52:34 No.414031

>>414017
Please stop posting this out-of-context clip. It's a history lesson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Plenary_Session_of_the_11th_Central_Committee_of_the_Chinese_Communist_Party

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:53:31 No.414033

>>414021
Confirmed moron lol.

USSR:
- didn't empower sex workers
- BANNED gay folx
- DEPORTED MINORITIES
- almost went FULL CAPITALIST during the Leninoid so called "NEP"
- didn't say trans rights

And you call THAT socialism?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:54:29 No.414035

>>414033
<what is sarcasm

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:54:33 No.414036

NOOO!

CHINE-AH IS NOT FOLLOWING THE ROAD TAKEN BY 20TH CENTURY USSR!!!

THIS MEANS THAT CHAYNAH IS NOT ADVANCING TOWARDS SOCIALISM!!!

T. INTELLECTUAL

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:55:00 No.414037

>>414027
Here's what it actually says in the pre-amble:

>The exploiting classes as such have been abolished in our country. However, class struggle will continue to exist within certain bounds for a long time to come. The Chinese people must fight against those forces and elements, both at home and abroad, that are hostile to China’s socialist system and try to undermine it.

Take this speech and multiple other references into consideration and you will know that the current-line is class collaborationism >>414017

Why are you coping so hard?

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:55:11 No.414038

>>414033
>almost
There's no "almost" about it, the NEP was literally the same state capitalism used by the German Empire.

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:55:17 No.414039

>>414035
<what is sarcasm x2

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:55:48 No.414042

>>414033
>Dengoid resorts to strawmen and hysteric all-caps posting

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:56:02 No.414044

>>414039
<what is sarcasm x69
You have been bamboozled.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:57:08 No.414048

>>414031
And this policy line hasn't been changed since Deng's times and even intensified once Jiang let capitalists into the party. I am sure with enough digging you can find Xi saying the same things.

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:57:10 No.414049

>>414037
>>414042
Sneed. You have been destroyed. Pumped and dumped. Owned. Go cry into your pillow and sleep. It's way past your bedtime.

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:57:11 No.414050

With the power of the German law tradition and of the Roman contract law we'll achieve PEAK prosperity!
Productive forces will be POWERFUL!
Start trusting the plan NOW!
It'll be too late when China will finish this! >>414042

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:58:44 No.414054

Calling all pro-Xi Jinping comrades: no country is perfect, wht are your major criticisms of current China? Asking in good faith.

Anti-"Dengist" comrades may join in if you can stay factual.

λ 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:58:54 No.414055

>>414048
>I am sure
<I.. I just know it must be true…. My suspicions about a hidden darkest reaction must be real!!!!!!

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:59:13 No.414056

>>414018
>>414050
China just very recently reformed its civil law using Germany and the USA as examples so private companies can do business better and private property rights can be enforced better

This, of course, is merely intended to build the productive forces until 2050, so the Dengoids have told me

Anonymous 2021-08-01 (Sun) 00:59:59 No.414058

>>414013
>Apparently, we can just seize the means of production overnight
are you just going to ignore the fact that's what Mao fucking DID.
>uhm actually the Chinese Civil War took a long time so it wasn't overnight hah-
get fucked and try harder, you know what is meant: the CPC successfully seized the means of production. they're not a plucky little band of Chileans who were elected to office in an already capitalist country. there's a major private sector in China today because they chose to incubate it long after they'd taken power, not because they were stuck with it due to the conditions under which they took power.

not even anti-china, just think you ended on a fucking stupid note

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