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 No.287321[Last 50 Posts]

Thread for the discussion of Anarchism.

Old one is full (>>139334)

Foundational texts:
>Alexander Berkman, ABCs of Anarchist-Communism
https://libcom.org/library/abc-anarchism-alexander-berkman
>Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
>Errico Malatesta, Anarchism and Organization
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-anarchism-and-organization
>More
https://libcom.org/library/anarchism-reading-guide

Contemporary theory:
>Tiqqun, This Is Not a Program
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/tiqqun-this-is-not-a-program
>Anonymous, Desert
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert

News:
>https://freedomnews.org.uk/
>https://anarchistnews.org/
>https://itsgoingdown.org
>https://enoughisenough14.org/
>https://sub.media/
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 No.287332

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I'm curious what you guys think of Kaczsynski. Is he right? Is the techno-industrial system going to destroy us all? And if so, what difference does it make if there's a 'Marxist' revolution if the technological system persists?
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 No.287364

>>287332
what repressing does to a mf
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 No.287412

>>287332
I've read ted's book. his entire spiel about muh technology is only halfway valid under the current mode of production. in reality we can plan and execute a transition to a steady-state economy, assuming we can get to socialism.
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 No.287414

Neat, another infant containment thread. So tell me, have the brilliant minds of anarchism finally figured out how they're going to make and enforce usage of a sewage system without a state? Or does that still elude you?
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 No.287418

>>287332
His critique of civilisation is extremely shallow. As a mathematician he has a huge hard-on for the natural sciences and completely fails to understand that modern science is the essence of the industrial society he hates so much.
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 No.287430

being an anarchist is only cool when the person knows absolutely nothing of the faggotry that is anarchist literature and is a professional criminal
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 No.287438

>>287430
There's no such thing as anarchist "literature", only the dribblings of children and the tirades of con artists. That people actually take this seriously in the 21st century is just another sign of the west's moral decay.
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 No.287439

Tell me anarchists why are British anarchists so lame? I wanted to create some riot porn but all I got was a bunch crying people with green hair. Why is this?
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 No.287440

>>287418
yeah, and he's not really anti-civ in the usual anarchist sense at all, he's really more anti-technological and anti-progress, with a background in jaques ellul (who is cool but still, focusing on the tech)
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 No.287444

>>287439
That's the state of all anarchist groups, filled to the brim with the rejects, troons, and general retards.
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 No.287447

>>287438
> moral decay
>>>/pol/
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 No.287458

but what about sewage
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 No.287501

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but what about steam engines? ever think of that?
anarchy destroyed!
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 No.287509

>>287414
Why do you need to enforce the usage of a system everyone voted on to begin with?
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 No.287510

>>287444
Greek and LatAm famrades go hard
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 No.287517

>>287509
Because invariably, some people will be lazy and not feel like going through the trouble of proper sanitation. That is if you can even build one in the first place, which you've yet to demonstrate your ability to do.

So I ask again, sewers, how will you build them?
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 No.287525

>>287517
Easy, dusty poncho, you get a sanitation committee. They can talk with the townsfolk and the two groups mutually decide on what’s the best system to implement, depending on local conditions.

As for enforcing it…If you don’t need a sewer system, will you use it in the first place? Will you set up a town hall to initiate its construction?
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 No.287536

>>287525
Who the hell is poncho? Are you really so egocentric that you think everyone criticizing your retarded ideology is the same person? Guess that's no surprise for an anarchist

>They can talk with the townsfolk and the two groups mutually decide on what’s the best system to implement, depending on local conditions.
On the off chance they can actually agree on anything, considering that every voice has equal weight and a decision will only be reached when enough of the mob has been convinced, how do you get them to build it? Because I guarantee you if this hippie anarchist commune is anything like other communes, it will invariably be populated mostly with people who dont actually want to do the heavy lifting, who will then "democratically" decide to make other people do the work for them, and since the whim of the mob is the word of god to you guys, they would have little choice, unless of course they wanted to overthrow the system entirely and set up a socialist state that actually works. So in short, your "solution" requires that everyone be perfect little angels that do everything you say without force or coercion, which of course is a fantasy.

>As for enforcing it…If you don’t need a sewer system, will you use it in the first place? Will you set up a town hall to initiate its construction?
Every city needs a sewer system dipshit. Unless you're advocating primitivism, which would require the genocide of 99.9% of human life.
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 No.287538

>>287536
Exactly, so why would people not use their toilets?
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 No.287544

>>287538
Who knows? Perhaps toilet usage suddenly becomes "triggering" and "problematic"
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 No.287546

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>>287544
Really? This is it?

God, I’d pay to see the anarchists use you as their collective fleshlight
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 No.287551

>>287546
That's just one possible reason. The long answer is that anarchists are so braindead they'll probably forget the toilets even exist, or just start pooping on the streets as a way of "defying authority". Such a system would then be embraced by the commune and forced on its people by the whim of the mob, and then all goes literally and figuratively to shit. Game over. Your little utopia is now ridden with filth and disease and your "comrades" will die after a month from cholera.
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 No.287553

>>287536
You do realize these are the exact same arguments capitalists and their lapdogs use against socialism of any kind, right?
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 No.287558

>>287553
He doesn’t care. This guy wouldn’t know what socialism is if it bent him over and fucked him in the ass.
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 No.287559

>>287553
That makes no sense, anarchists ARE lapdogs of capitalists.
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 No.287563

>>287559
>>287536
Very good posts, agent smith
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 No.287564

>>287563
>Oh shit, I'm out of arguments! Better call my opponent a fed! That'll show 'em!
And that's, what's it, 0 for 4 on the anarchist debate scoreboard? In these threads I mean, you get eternally btfo in other threads and in the rest of the world every fucking day so I'm not counting that. But yeah, you're track record isn't looking good guys! Ah well, I'm sure your mothers can craft you some participation trophies.
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 No.287565

>>287564
Posturing and recycled anticommunist talking points aren’t BTFOing someone.
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 No.287566

>>287565
If you actually think that anarchist drivel is a form of communism then ohohoho, OHOHOHOHOHO, I've got some news for you
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 No.287567

>>287564
>If i strawman and argue in bad faith while promoting needless secretarianism that means I've won the argument
Keep up with the good work, you'll get a promotion to senior agent in no time at all!
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 No.287569

>>287564
I'm guessing you're larping as an ML considering your irrational hatred of anarchists, so the point I was trying to make is that you are effectively making arguments against your worldview as well. Unless of course your preferred system is party members forcing people to build sewers at gunpoint, but obviously that's not the case because that wouldn't be communism.
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 No.287571

>>287567
Anarchists dont deserve good faith arguments, they deserve ridicule and mockery. You wouldn't seriously entertain a debate with someone who thinks a pile of spaghetti is a god, right? So it is the case with anarchists. I'm just doing everyone a favor and making their flaws a little more visible.

>>287569
Communism is not a happy go lucky utopia where nobody works and everyone has transsexual gay orgies all day. In fact, I distinctly believe Lenin said something along the lines of if you dont work, you dont get to eat either. But to answer that last part, no, guns would not be needed because the people would be conditioned to be used to work and desire to work for the benefit of the state which takes care of them.(Sectarianism)
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 No.287572

>>287569
But comrade, people must be governed! They can't spontaneously organise or respond without the motivation of state power and if they did, they'd just be forming their own form of heirarchical organisation! My body pillow of Engels told me so!
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 No.287573

>>287458
>>287517
instead of shitting the thread with Anarchy 101 questions, go read some history already or how they do it in Zapatistas' territories

> Water management in that lowland northern country in the 12th and 13th centuries provides another example of bottom-up solutions to environmental problems. Since much of the Netherlands is below sea level and nearly all of it is in danger of flooding, farmers had to work constantly to maintain and improve the water management system. The protections against flooding were a common infrastructure that benefited everybody, yet they also required everyone to invest in the good of the collective to maintain them: an individual farmer stood to gain by shirking water management duties, but the entire society would lose if there were a flood.

> At that time, contact between towns dozens of miles apart — several days’ travel — could be more challenging than global communication in the present day. Despite this difficulty, farming communities, towns, and villages managed to build and maintain extensive infrastructure to reclaim land from the sea and protect against flooding amid fluctuating sea levels. Neighborhood councils, by organizing cooperative work bands or dividing duties between communities, built and maintained the dykes, canals, sluices, and drainage systems necessary to protect the entire society; it was “a joint approach from the bottom-up, from the local communities, that found their protection through organizing themselves in such a way.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_freedom

it lasted about 700 years
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 No.287574

>>287571
>Anarchists dont deserve good faith arguments, they deserve ridicule and mockery.
<which is why I'm going to do the exact same and wonder why everyone treats me like a walking meme despite the fact that answers have been given.

Dude, touch grass. If you've got nothing constructive to add to the thread, which is centred on anarchist discussion and actual debate and analysis, then kindly fuck off and quit doing the feds work by promoting needless sectarianism.
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 No.287575

>>287573
Ah yes, a glorified drug cartel and a medieval shithole, both of which explicitly reject anarchism, truly a shining beacon of anarchist success…NOT

>>287574
Leaving you to wallow in your own ignorance would be a disservice. I'm actually doing you a favor by educating you, so really you should be thanking me.
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 No.287576

>>287571
>Communism is not a happy go lucky utopia where nobody works and everyone has transsexual gay orgies all day
Strawmanning again
>Lenin said something along the lines of if you dont work, you dont get to eat eithe
I don't care what Lenin said
>desire to work for the benefit of the state which takes care of them
This applies under anarchism, maybe more so because it wouldn't be as alienating
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 No.287578

>>287576
>I don't care what Lenin said
If you're an anti-communist then why the fuck are you here?
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 No.287579

>>287571
and I'm curious, how do you go about "conditioning" people? Try to answer in a way that actually makes your ideology appealing to the average person.
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 No.287580

>>287571
Poncho, have you been mixing liquor and benadryl again?
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 No.287582

>>287578
>mfw Lenin is the only real communist leader
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 No.287584

>>287575
good enough for me because it works and has less hierarchical oppression than you average ML Pokemon Go to Gulag state

> medieval shithole
< YAY SCIENCE PROGRESS wojak jpg
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 No.287586

>>287575
>glorified drug cartel
The Zapatistas? Can I get a citation on that?
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 No.287588

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>>287586 come on, he's just baiting

I won't be surprised if it's the same dude that was LARP'ing as an "an"cap in the previous thread
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 No.287590

>>287579
"appeal" is a liberal buzzword. We dont need appeal, we just need force. And besides, the "appeal" will come from the fact that our system works and is the only system in existence once the socialist state encompasses the world. But to answer your question, education, propaganda, incentives for good work ethic, and the sustainability of the state will condition the proles to their place.

>>287582
Marxism Leninism is the ultimate culmination of socialist theory, so unless you have something that works better I'm going to cite actual socialists.
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 No.287591

>>287584
Yeah there never were any gulags in anarchist not-states I'm sure anon
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 No.287593

>>287575
>Leaving you to wallow in your own ignorance would be a disservice.
The only one wallowing in ignorance is you. You've done nothing but downplay examples of decentralised organisation, when given solutions you blow it off. Lord knows I used to be anarchist, but the reason I stopped identifying as one wasn't because they didn't provide solutions to problem, but I realised that not all solutions can be applicable to EVERYWHERE. This doesn't their praxis any less valid, or their theory (of which there is plenty) less valid. And even if it was, which Anarchists would you be going after? The collectivists, the mutualists, the individualists or the anarcho-communists/ platformists? All of them have their own theoretical basis, and even they have their own infighting. They're not a monolith.

Japanese Anarcho-Syndicalists and Anarcho-Communists would straight up have brawls in the street over theoretical disputes. There was a large amount of controversy when Makhno proposed platformism to French Anarchists so much so that malatesta accused the Ukranian land pirate of promoting Vanguardism. Then of course there's anarchism based on various BIPOC movements, from Magonism to Anarkata. The only reason why you claim to "believe" what you preach, is either
1. You're not well versed on Anarchist theory
2. You're a fuckwit looking for attention on an Cuban Cigar Smoking forum.
Or 3. You're a fed.

If you're one of the first two, here's my advice to you
Stay the fuck off of leftypol until you grow up.
Never post here if you don't engage in good faith.
Educate yourself on anarchist theory from actual anarchist texts
Educate yourself on anarchist history from actual anarchist historians
Don't come back unless you actually change as a person.

>>287586
He's arguing in bad faith. The Zapatistas don't engage in Cartel levels of organised crime. Most of the whole "Zapatistas are cartel users" is just Mexican state propaganda. Should indicate this idiot doesn't argue in good faith.

https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/how-mexicos-guerrilla-army-stayed-clear-of-organized-crime/

https://narconews.com/Issue33/article971.html
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 No.287594

>>287590
why are you being so needlesly edgy lol? from the masses to the masses
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 No.287599

I know of no active nationwide groups of Anarchists aside from the IWW and Food Not Bombs. My knowledge of both of these groups is that the IWW basically hands out literature and helps canvas for union efforts, while stuff like unionizing small food and retail chains is actually a small part of what the IWW actually does compared to the former. Food Not Bombs meanwhile is a glorified charity, I never hear how it educates people or does much of anything else. I’m open in getting my mind changed though.

What are the major players and factions in the Anarchist scene in the United States? What are its differing schools of thought still active? What about outside the United States aside from the Zapatistas?
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 No.287601

>>287593 (me)
To add, I'm not saying you must become an anarchists I'm saying your strawmanning of their solutions to problems and how they may work as an organisation is flawed and mostly wrong. Anarchism is not without fault, but they're hardly the faults you accuse them of having.
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 No.287606

>>287590
>We dont need appeal, we just need force.
So who the fuck is gonna fight in your revolution?
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 No.287612

>>287593
You claim to not be an anarchist and yet you're oddly invested in defending a group of anti-communists, curious. Anyways, let's pick apart your tirade.

>You've done nothing but downplay examples of decentralised organisation, when given solutions you blow it off
I've been pointing out the various faults in your so called "solutions". In this thread and in all previous threads, anarchists never have an answer to the sewer problem because their society fundamentally cannot function.
>And even if it was, which Anarchists would you be going after? The collectivists, the mutualists, the individualists or the anarcho-communists/ platformists? All of them have their own theoretical basis, and even they have their own infighting. They're not a monolith.
Yeah but see you mistakenly believe that anarchists are mentally developed enough to actually follow and/or understand syndicalism or mutualism or whatever flavor of the week anarchism they claim to adhere to. All those hyphens dont change the fact that they dont read and have no practical solutions.
>Japanese Anarcho-Syndicalists and Anarcho-Communists would straight up have brawls in the street over theoretical disputes. There was a large amount of controversy when Makhno proposed platformism to French Anarchists so much so that malatesta accused the Ukranian land pirate of promoting Vanguardism.
This helps your argument how exactly? The Japanese anarchist street brawls are just proof that anarchists are a bunch of whiny children who cant stand being disrespected. As for Makhno, proto-fascist bandit and hero of the modern Ukrainian far right. Not exactly the guy you should be idolizing.

And then you go on into pointless speculation about my origins. Look, it's not my fault you cant argue, you dont have to take your frustrations out on me. The good news is that you still have time to educate yourself.
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 No.287613

Hello anarchist general I'm trying to consider new ways of thinking politically and I have some questions for you all if you care to answer them. I'm sure there are a lot of different takes and I'd like to learn more
1.How does anarchism propose to dismantle the state and prevent a new one from forming?
2. How does anarchism propose to dismantle class relations and prevent them from forming?
3.What praxis can anarchists take in a prerevolutionary state?
Does anarchism surpass capitalism in productive capacity? If so how?
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 No.287619

>>287612
>I've been pointing out the various faults in your so called "solutions". In this thread and in all previous threads, anarchists never have an answer to the sewer problem because their society fundamentally cannot function.
They answered here
>>287525
you argued in strawmans and bullshit hypotheticals which is why no one bothered to engage with you. And why people are ITT mocking you.

>Yeah but see you mistakenly believe that anarchists are mentally developed enough to actually follow and/or understand syndicalism or mutualism or whatever flavor of the week anarchism they claim to adhere to. All those hyphens dont change the fact that they dont read and have no practical solutions.
Despite all evdience to the contrary. Again, if you actually bothered to read, you'd know collectivists like Bakunin argued against Mutualism, and An-Coms like Kropotkin in turn argued against Bakunin. If you actually thought that anarchists were "lacking in theory" you wouldn't be making the arguments you are making now.

>The Japanese anarchist street brawls are just proof that anarchists are a bunch of whiny children who cant stand being disrespected. As for Makhno, proto-fascist bandit and hero of the modern Ukrainian far right. Not exactly the guy you should be idolizing.
>And then you go on into pointless speculation about my origins. Look, it's not my fault you cant argue, you dont have to take your frustrations out on me. The good news is that you still have time to educate yourself.

Holy projection, batman.This coming from the guy who called the Zapatistas "a glorified drug cartel".
As for Makhno being "far right", you've got some reading to do.

http://nestormakhno.info/english/makfaq.html
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 No.287640

>>287613
Ex-anarchist here. Will do my best to answer.
>1.How does anarchism propose to dismantle the state and prevent a new one from forming?
Depends on how you define "the state" as both anarchists and Marxists differ on this. However, I'm going to take a note out of Engels book, and argue that places such as "the Paris Commune" weren't exactly a workers state. Sadly both Marx and Bakunin died before giving a more in depth analysis to the material origins of the state and making clear definitions to a centralised people's body.

As for how they propose to dismantle the state do it? Well considering we're living in the 21st century if you're going to look to 19th century/ 20th century figures you may come up short. However, I'll do my best to argue what ex-anarchists such as myself used to argue for. Anarchists usually tends to create seperate institutions from the state, mostly with a horizontal form of organisation, or one where leadership is appointed democratically. However rather than that institution calling the shots, the institutions work together in a more decentralised fashion often having a more locality based mode of operation. Of course, there would have to be armed resistance and an outright revolution to fully destroy the state to institute a new form of governance. As for how they'll prevent a new one from forming, this is where the problem of semantics comes into play, but in regards to a solution, it's mostly identical to some of the solutions lenin proposed- i.e rather than a standing army or police force, a people's militia would form, that is answerable to the people, not the state apparatus itself. Of course, with their being no "state" there'd be little appartus to answer to.

Without the means of clogging up the thread, to respond to the second question, anarchists believe that class relations are enforced by the state and both rely on eachother to exist. I'd recommend reading this, and the blog to better understand anarchist views on the state. I'm not saying agree with them, but they'll have the answers you seek.

https://blackrosefed.org/class-theory-of-the-state-price/
https://blackrosefed.org/kropotkin-the-state-empanication/

As for 3.
Mutual aid networks, general strikes, establishment of squats, food not bombs etc.

4. Depends on what you're producing. Flawed as Anarchist Spain was, they exceeded the production of the Soviet Union (though keep in mind, they weren't necessarily transitioning from a backward feudal soceity into socialism etc).
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 No.287646

>>287619 (me)
They also answered the whole "sewage problem" here
>>287573
But you decided to downplay evidence and call them "drug cartels". Despite evidence to the contrary.
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 No.287743

>>287332
based and terroristpilled
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 No.287808

You guys know that your dick will not fall off if you leave a bait without (you)s right?
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 No.287878

>>287808
impossible
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 No.287882

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>>287808
>You guys know that your dick will not fall off if you leave a bait without (you)s right?
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 No.288319

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>>287599
> What about outside the United States aside from the Zapatistas?
Chile: no trust for the government whatsoever (the president and the congress have single-digit approval ratings), strong anarchist tendencies in the society in terms of horizontal networking and self-management. Anarchists were fighting for months in 2019 against a right-wing government and pushed them towards a new constitution (not a very anarchist result, yes, but it will be better than the Pinochet-written one where everything is privatized). When the pandemic started, the same government wasn't capable of providing to people, so various mutual aid is going on like ollas comunes (communal kitchens).
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 No.288326

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>>287808
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 No.288348

>>288319
Are you from chile bro ?
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 No.288349

>>287808
last time i didn't reply to b8 i lost my penis, it's detachable
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 No.288397

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>>287571
>the people would be conditioned to be used to work and desire to work for the benefit of the state which takes care of them.

wow, sounds great!
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 No.288430

>>287439
>>287414
>>287430
>>287438
Whats the matter lads? Your threads and discussions so utterly dead you feel the need come into our 'containment thread'?

Also hilarious that no matter where sage goes he cant help but piss and shit himself autistically about the British, Scotland being utterly cucked by us for so long really does a number on a your average Gael's brain. Go on sage try have yet another referendum, make sure the voters pick their drunk arses up and go to the polling booth this time, thats if there isnt anymore infighting in your boring nationalist party.
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 No.288437

>>288348
sí, señor
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 No.288439

>>287440
What do you mean? Technology is driven by civilization, and civilization would collapse if the technological system were overthrown
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 No.288446

>>288430
Sage was certainly the one complaining about british anarchists being lame, but the other three are most likely not him.
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 No.288448

>>288397
If you think the guy you’re responding to is representative of any Marxist understanding of the world and how societies develop and change, you’re sorely mistaken.
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 No.288455

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Helllo friends
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 No.288471

>>288437
Cool ,from my outsider perspective chile used to have a reputation of a "black" anarchy compared to the more social/libcom trends like especifismo ,do you see the new people joining pushing to the left/social wing ?I'm asking because that what happened in greece after the crisis
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 No.288550

>>288471
I'm not George Orwell to maintain a list of leftists, so I can't give you any stats here

unfortunately, the Chilean thread has already died but it was showing that country as a whole shifted leftwards greatly: the right-wing coalition didn't manage to get enough votes for a 33% veto power and more than half of elected members were independent outsiders because people are sick and tired of *all* politicians, including the communist party

just look at this U of Chicago screeching:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/05/21/chiles-constitution-is-too-new-for-its-own-good/

so whatever happens next, many Chileans have learned that direct action and ignoring political parties can bring good results, and many new grassroots movements were established during the double crisis of the riots + pandemic
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 No.288738

>>288446
why do you think I said 'lads' you utter mong
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 No.288755

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>>288455
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 No.288931

>>288755
Yes Rothbard wasn't an anarchist
all that proves is that you can't use him as an argument against anarchism
moving on
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 No.288936

>>288931

if he wasn't an ancap, then what was he then?
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 No.288939

>>288936
What does that matter? He isn't an Ancap
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 No.288944

>>288939
The autism is strong in this one
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 No.288947

>>288944
>thinking someone who is self admitted not an anarchist is an argument against anarchism
yeah you're the autists here
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 No.288950

>>288947
>Mfw when murray rothbard and ancaps have zero daylight between them
<but murray rothbard is not an ancap.
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 No.288953

>>288950
Are you saying he was an anarchist or he wasn't because you're seeming pretty schizo
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 No.288954

>>288953
Are you esl? I’m saying that not only is he not an anarchist, but neither are you.
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 No.288958

>>288954
Well I'm an Anarcho Capitalist,
Murray was not an anarchist see >>288755
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 No.288960

>>288958
How do your views differ from Mr. Rothbard’s. In detail, please.
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 No.288962

>>288960
I'm not an expert on Rothbard
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 No.288979

>>288962
>What is duck duck go or google?
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 No.288985

>>288979
not doing your homework for you
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 No.288991

>>288985
>I’m proud of my ignorance
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 No.288997

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>>288931
Thanks for admitting "anarcho"-capitalism isn't anarchism
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 No.289003

>>288991
well you apparently don't know either so you too i guess.

>>288997
>Thanks for admitting "anarcho"-capitalism isn't anarchism
are you esl? I in fact admitted the opposite
Again: if Rothbard says he is self admitted not an anarchist is an argument against anarchism
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 No.289007

>>289003
There’s no functional difference between rothbard and ancaps, rothbard isn’t an anarchist, therefore ancaps are not anarchists.
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 No.289013

>>289003
are you saying the words of the founder of anarcho-capitalism don't matter?
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 No.289018

>>289007
>There’s no functional difference between rothbard and ancaps, rothbard isn’t an anarchist
this is contradictory though.
Claiming that you are not an anarchist is an acceptance of the state at some capacity.
I don't know what mental gymnastics you are going through to think that someone who self describes as a statist is somehow an argument against anarchism.
>>289013
>are you saying the words of the founder of anarcho-capitalism don't matter?
hard to be the founder of something you claim not to be.
this assumes there is one single founder of Anarcho Capitalisms
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 No.289032

>>289018
>Claiming that you are not an anarchist is an acceptance of the state at some capacity.
No, it means you accept hierarchies in some capacity. This is an important distinction on why stateless capitalists do not get called anarchists- their form of capitalist property rights forms a social hierarchy. States are not the only form of social hierarchy. If they were, then stateless capitalists would be a form of anarchy. But they're not.
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 No.289035

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>>289007
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 No.289036

>>289032
>No, it means you accept hierarchies in some capacity. This is an important distinction on why stateless capitalists do not get called anarchists- their form of capitalist property rights forms a social hierarchy. States are not the only form of social hierarchy. If they were, then stateless capitalists would be a form of anarchy. But they're not.
Its the rejection of the state that makes us anarchists.
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 No.289038

>>289035
lol cringe
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 No.289040

>>289036
No, it isn't
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 No.289042

>>289040
>nuhuhhh

profound
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 No.289046

>>289018
You’re dicking around with definitions while not actually looking at the policies that “an”caps and rothbard espouse, which are identical. Never mind you think that the state only existed since 1348
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 No.289053


>>289046
>You’re dicking around with definitions while not actually looking at the policies that “an”caps and rothbard espouse, which are identical.
Can you prove this claim? Keep in mind drawing ideas from a person does not mean you have to accept everything they have ever said as gospel.
Which might be hard for you to understand because communists do that with marx ;mao

>Never mind you think that the state only existed since 1348
what are you talking about
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 No.289058

>>289042
-arch is literally in reference to the format of hierarchy in which a society is organized. A patri-arch is a paternal figure taking the ruling position in society. A mon-arch is in reference to the singularity of the ruler position in a whole society. An an-arch is someone who wishes there to be no hier-archy. It's right there in the name and it's not hard to figure out.
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 No.289064

>>289058
so you've tried "no u" now you resorted to arguing semantics?
Its widely accepted that anarchists are simply those that reject the state.
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 No.289065

>>289064
By whom?
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 No.289066

>>289053
Peace of westphalia? Didn’t you say that the state didn’t exist until then?
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 No.289067

>>289053
Can you prove that Rothbard and Ancaps don’t have an identical philosophy? Protip: not by saying “Rothbard says he’s not an anarchist.”
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 No.289068

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>>289066
>Peace of westphalia
>1348
I know numbers are hard aren't they?
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 No.289069

>>289067
>Can you prove that Rothbard and Ancaps don’t have an identical philosophy? Protip: not by saying “Rothbard says he’s not an anarchist.”

first it was "no u"
then it was arguing semantics
now its prove a negative.
this is hilarious

sorry bud but if you're going to claim that everthing Rothbard wrote is exactly what Ancaps believe Anarcho capitalism to be then its your job to prove that claim not my job to disprove you.
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 No.289071

>>289068
Posture all you want about me not remembering some high school history class piece of trivia. You literally think that states didn’t exist until the peace of westphalia happened, because the roman empire, ancient egypt, the Qin dynasty and so on weren’t “nation states.”
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 No.289073

>>289071
>blatantly incorrect
<You're just posturing

>You literally think that states didn’t exist until the peace of westphalia happened, because the roman empire, ancient egypt, the Qin dynasty and so on weren’t “nation states.”
sounds like you're just posturing :*)
also never said that so cope
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 No.289086

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>>289069
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 No.289099

>>289085
wasn't me so cope
>>289086
do you have an argument there?
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 No.289104

>>289099
So is Rothbard an anarchist or not?
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 No.289108

>>289104

Libertarians embrace free markets and personal freedom, including sexual freedom. In principle, libertarians would support allowing sex between adults and children, certainly if it could be proven that children are competent to consent to sex, and possibly even without such proof of competence. Murray Rothbard's The Ethics of Liberty suggests that children should be allowed to run away from home as soon as they are able to do so, and that parents should not be legally required to provide for their children.
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 No.289113

I love deradicalizing /pol/tards on leftypol.org
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 No.289119

>>289108
he flat out said that he wished to legalize the buying and selling of babies
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 No.289121

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 No.289122

>>289119
sounds like an anarchist (pedophile) to me
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 No.289128

>>289104
sounds like he was at one point then changed his mind
also >>289108 isn't me
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 No.289139

>>289121
>foucault and queer theory and anarchism are henceforth all interlinked
>henceforth all anarchists are pedophiles because they draw elements from queer theory

Are all Marxists racists then because of what Marx said about LaSelle or that some French Marxists believed that certain races were incapable of achieving communism?

How is this constructive in anyway?
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 No.289144

>>289139
The underlining libertine impulse is the same and it's literally in their manifestos. It is in no way the same thing as some frenchies being too inbred to comprehend africa.
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 No.289153

>>289144
>underlying libertine impulse is the same
It's not. If you bothered to read any anarchist theory you'd know that how they seek to achieve autonomy in different ways.
>it's in their manifestos
Ah yes, Kropotkin himself famously wrote that the age of consent was authoritarian.
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 No.289165

>>289139
>shitting on foucault over right wing psyops
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 No.289166

can you guys go one day without talking about pedos
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 No.289167

>>289165
Don’t call some dipshit teenage raider a psyop, it’s an insult to psyops.
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 No.289170

>>289167
nah i meant that somewhat known right winger that was spreading obvious FUD about foucault fucking children on some faraway shithole
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 No.289176

>>289128
Still waiting for an answer to >>289065
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 No.289182

>>289153
>If you bothered to read any anarchist theory you'd know that how they seek to achieve autonomy in different ways
I've read the conquest of bread and Kropotkin's greatest critique of Marxism centers on class barriers arising because some sewage workers would be paid more than teachers bc of supply/demand. The entire point of anarchism is "do whatever you wish and order will come naturally" and simply not imposing your will on someone following a their own. It's textbook libertine ideology.
>Ah yes, Kropotkin himself famously wrote that the age of consent was authoritarian.
hahaha, you know I meant Foucault and the rest of the esoteric post-structuralists. Clearly don't believe Kropotkin went dancing around in the woods nude reading poetry like those guys
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 No.289443

>>289182
>esoteric post-structuralists
This is your brain on Peterson.
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 No.290996

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This is an AnCap thread now
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 No.291014

>>290996
sorry, the barrier to entry is at least 50 iq points you don't meet that requirement.
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 No.291029

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 No.291043

>>291014
looks like you're out then
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 No.291360

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>>290996
This thread,like everything else, is my property , my property…
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 No.291380

>>290996
Go masturbate to loli porn, the adults are talking.
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 No.291382

>>287414
Because it’s there and it’s convenient.
People could just as easily shit in the street in socialism and we don’t have arguments about that
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 No.291890

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>>287321
Someone said this would convert me to anarchism. I skimmed through some sections and it seems solid but really? 4000 pages? Is is worth it?
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 No.292106

>>291890
I don't think anybody reads the whole thing ,just check the chapters that interest you. Also if you are interested in the more nihilist/insurrectionist/individualist stuff you better look somewhere else
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 No.292351

>>287321
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-you-can-t-blow-up-a-social-relationship-but-you-can-have-fun-trying
>It is true that anarchist violence has often backfired and never won any lasting victory. But this is but to say that anarchism is a failure to date. Anarchist propaganda is a failure. Anarchist organizing is a failure (vide the IWW). Anarchist schooling is a failure. If anything, anarchists have accomplished more by violence than in any other way, in the Ukraine and in Spain, for instance. The fact is anarchists have not accomplished anything by any means to compare with their leftist and fascist and liberal rivals. Their propaganda, for instance, has not come close to the efficiency of propaganda by Nazis, televangelicals, and Fabian Socialists. Their institution-building (touted by the Australian consortium) amounts to nothing but anarchists bagging granola in food coops or supplying warm bodies for demonstrations claimed by Stalinists or Green yuppies or whomever. Anything they can do, others do better. Could it be that anarchism itself scares most people away, stirs up their fear of freedom such that they seize upon media spoon-fed slanders like ‘terrorism’ as excuses for looking the other way?
>My purpose has been limited and negative, merely cutting some weeds, not planting anything. If anarchists have an image problem — and it they care — it attaches to their anarchism, not to their occasional terrorism. The Australian anarchists seem to have been most concerned not with an anarchist approach to so-called terrorism but with assuring their government they are harmless. To their everlasting shame, I’m quite sure they are. An anarchism that wants to be anything but harmless to the state and to class society must deal with terrorism and much more in another, more radical way.

Oh boy
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 No.293095

>>291890
It's only 1000 not 4000 lel
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 No.293667

I can never find this thread in the catalog, I'm still looking for that anprim Patrick star meme
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 No.299736

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ-utvfgK8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GKgbUGJK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pysEKlg0Q
For the newfrens that need audiovisual simulation to pay attention to anything
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 No.299759

>>299736
I wonder if there's any good books about anarchist history?
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 No.299766

>>299759
i can't tell if this is sarcasm
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 No.299777

>>299766
It is not, I watched those documentaries some time ago, is there anything comparable in written form? I know there are works about specific movements and events, but is there something general like this documentary?
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 No.299792

>>299777
The most wide raging i can think on top of my head is Demanding the Impossible by Marshall ,the No Gods No Masters anthology is more of theory extracts than history , the controversy around Black Flame: The Revolutionary Class Politics of Anarchism and Syndicalism has kept me from reading it.There is also Anarchism and Syndicalism in the Colonial and Postcolonial World, 1870-1940 : The Praxis of National Liberation, Internationalism, and Social Revolution that has info on rarely discussed movements
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 No.299821

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>>299792
Thanks I'll get to reading
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 No.300272

>>291890
>>292106
I read it all a year ago, it's just few hours a day for a few weeks

it indeed got me converted into leftism because of how thought-through and humane the anarchist theory was from all angles + it resolved my ignorance about socialism because ofc I knew only the authoritarian kind (I'm from the ex-USSR where anarchism barely exists)

then I got some Kropotkin, highly recommend him too
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 No.303043

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>>287321
Why do bolsheviks and specially trotskysts sperg so much about this guy? Was he /ourguy/? If not, what did we learn with him?
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 No.304343

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>>303043
>Why do bolsheviks and specially trotskysts sperg so much about this guy? Was he /ourguy/?
They were butthurt that he saved the revolution when the black army bailed out the red army, and he let red army defector's join the black army. He was too commie for the authoritarians to endure, basically…
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 No.304367

>>304343
he was so strong that he just imploded on himself
now that is real workers power
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 No.304386

>>304343
he was an anarchist who basically fucked themselves when they robbed the red army
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 No.304387

>>304343
Most overexaggerated thing I've ever read. Nestor Makhno fought the rear of Denikin's army in southeastern Ukraine, while the Reds fought the bulk while simultaneously fighting a war on another 5 fronts. Also there's nothing ""authoritarian"" the bolsheviks did that Makhno didn't do. And I don't blame him for that.
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 No.304612

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Based colombians????
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 No.306531

>>304367
>Make an alliance
>Outright sabotage then backstab ally
>he just imploded on himself
Why are bolshecucks like this?

>>304387
He did better than then in that aspect though. A revolution is a revolution, you're not supposed to turn the other cheek but you're also not supposed to rival porky in barbarity.
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 No.306963

>>304612
What does this mean
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 No.306986

>>306963
no gods no country
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 No.306988

>>306963
No god, no homeland
god and homeland is the police's motto
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 No.307100

>>304612
can anyone make out what that heraldry is supposed to mean ?
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 No.308025

>>307100
seems like the colombian coat of arms but with a sea of blood instead of the atlantic and pacific
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 No.308116

>>306986
>>306988
>>308025
Nice one
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 No.308124

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>>308025
I thought it was the flag of iran for a moment
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 No.308303

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>>304612
>Tfw read indios instead of ni dios
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 No.309480

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>>308303
NI INDIOS NI ESTADO
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 No.310212

Any good introductory books/articles on italian autonomia ?
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 No.310964

>>309480
WTF is that disgusting picture?
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 No.311751

>>310964
Just googled ancap argentina ,i knew this guys would show up but i couldn't remember his name kek
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 No.311801

>>287439
They are all in Rojava
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 No.311807

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>>287439
you will have to settle down for hunt sabs
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 No.312259

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Brehs…. I don't think the iww organizers are having a good time right now
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 No.312279

>>312259
Imagine your org being kept on life support by a video game…..
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 No.312284

>>312279
Not even a whole game, a mod, to an already extremely niche game.
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 No.312286

>>312279
Imagine having to deal with twitter leftists irl
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 No.312287

>>312286
Oh god Twitter radlibs are a special breed of retarded
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 No.312296

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 No.312310

>>312259
i mean that's probably the type of people that the iww would attract anyway
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 No.312341

>>312310
Their biggest promotor is thought slime
What do you think
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 No.312370

I'm really excited for Graeber/Wengrow's The Dawn of Everything. It'll destroy every Marxist and liberal delusion covering wide range of topics.
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 No.312443

>>312370
I'm pretty hyped too but shit cover
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 No.312575

>>312370
Did they manage to resurrect him?
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 No.312948

>>312370
Is that a book?
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 No.312960

>>312948
Yes ,it will be released on October i think
https://www.eurozine.com/change-course-human-history/
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 No.313714

>>312948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yr3fhuBalY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvUzdJSK4x8
Yeah, they seem to be tackling extremely pertinent issues in that book
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 No.314352

>>313714
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yr3fhuBalY
Really nice, I always hated this stupid Dunbar's number theory, hopefully the book will finally put it out of its misery.
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 No.315281

>>314352
>dunbar's number deconstructed
>It is our hope, though perhaps futile, that this study will put an end to the use of ‘Dunbar's number’ within science and in popular media. ‘Dunbar's number’ is a concept with limited theoretical foundation lacking empirical support.
There's also this recent paper.
My main issue is with how dunbar's number is interpreted, even if the concept itself is propped on shaky grounds, as a proof that we need some kind of hierarchical structures and eventually the state to have an actual civilization.
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 No.315421

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Does anarchism or being an anarchist require any action of the anarchist? Last time i asked this i got two different answers, which is the correct answer?
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 No.315432

>>315421
i don't understand ,you ask if you can larp on the internet ?
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 No.315455

>>315432
I heard an anarchist say "anarchist philosophy does not dictate any sort of action, it's a way of viewing the world, a moral philosophy, i don't need to refuse to pay my taxes, i just need to recognize that taxation is immoral and not abdicate for it"
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 No.315472

>>315455
Oh yeah i guess you can call it like that ,there a lot of different expressions of anarchism it can be the the ancooomer trying to get the neighbors to start a community garden without spooking them with scary words like anarchy ,it can be the hobo living of dumpster diving and petty theft ,it can be anthropologists interested in stateless societies either as tool to help modern causes (Graeber) or just because they are nerds(Scott) and i think closer to what you are referring there is post anarchism where you read copious amounts of dead french to better understand how soul crushing the state really is. Just do whatever you want no revolution will save us anyway and no one is going to take your membership card of the Anarchist Party away please don't vote tho that's cringe(not that i can…….you know force you)
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 No.315916

>>315472
Okay, thank you.
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 No.315951

What are the rules for anarchists in self-defence? Aren't you unfortunately taking someone's freedom away by attacking them in self-defence?
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 No.315953

>>315951
No they void that when they violate the NAP
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 No.315984

>>315951
Real Engels Hours up in here.

Look attacking people who wish to dominate and subjugate you for their own interests and who perpetuate systemic violence is not the same as rising up against it. Whatever the case may be, they started it.
>>315953
Ancaps and right libertarians get the wall, too.
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 No.316001

>>315984
>Ancaps and right libertarians get the wall, too.

ok schizo
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 No.316065

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>>289182
>Clearly don't believe Kropotkin went dancing around in the woods nude reading poetry like those guys
Kropotkin was a fucking prude ,Emma should have him castrated
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 No.316398

>>316065
Isn't homosexual relations in prison usually non-consensual?
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 No.316674

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>>316398
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 No.319495

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 No.319795

>>319495
what's that and how is it relevant to anarchism?

>>316065
Russia and other Orthodox countries eternally homophobic, thanks to this seething moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom

so give the spooked grandpa a break
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 No.319806

>>319795
what graeber has to do with anarchy ?
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 No.319833

>>319806
literally who?
curb your burgercentrism, that's the first time I hear the name
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 No.319836

>>319833
imagine being ignorant and proud about it
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 No.319837

>>319836
imagine thinking that the world revolts around the American academia
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 No.319840

>>319833
bruh
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 No.319842

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>>291360
>This thread,like everything else, is my property , my property…
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 No.320243

>>319833
David Graeber, he was an anthropologist and anarchist, died suddenly last year. He wrote "Debt" and "Bullshit Jobs".
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 No.320350

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-the-bully-s-pulpit
> I was scrawny in grade school, younger than my peers—I’d skipped a grade—and thus a prime target for some of the bigger kids who seemed to have developed a quasi-scientific technique of jabbing runts like me sharp, hard, and quick enough to avoid being accused of “fighting.” Hardly a day went by that I was not attacked. Finally, I decided enough was enough, found my moment, and sent one particularly noxious galoot sprawling across the corridor with a well-placed blow to the head. I think I might have cracked his lip. In a way, it worked exactly as intended: for a month or two, bullies largely stayed away. But the immediate result was that we were both taken to the office for fighting, and the fact that he had struck first was determined to be irrelevant. I was found to be the guilty party and expelled from the school’s advanced math and science club. (Since he was a C student, there was nothing, really, for him to be expelled from.)
Is this Graeber's superhero origin story?
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 No.322313

bump
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 No.323970

Isn't decentralization a meaningless term? There is a spectrum to centrality. Area's with larger increasing size of resources & space, under one entity are highly centralized. While area's that are smaller and more spread out, will still have that one central monopoly on violence and form of governance.
What is decentralising about anarchism?
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 No.324981

>>323970
I don't quite get what you are saying ,something like how the breaking of yugoslavia can be called "decentralization" by some when in reality smaller but similar state apparatuses replaced it then i agree.
You look for something like that maybe ?
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/daniel-al-rashid-what-do-anarchists-mean-by-federalism
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 No.325438

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Smile for the camera boys
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 No.325506

>>325438
What's a DVE?
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 No.325513

>>325506
Domestic Violence Extremist
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 No.325515

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>>325506
Domestic Violence Extremist, peep the handbook
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 No.325519

>>325515
>Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremists (RMVEs)6 advocating for the superiority of the white race and Anti- Government or Anti-Authority Violent Extremists (AGAAVEs) – primarily Anarchist Violent Extremists (AVEs),7 Militia Violent Extremists (MVEs),8 and Sovereign Citizen Violent Extremists (SCVEs)9

What the hell is up with U.S. intelligence and unnecessary acronyms?
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 No.325520

>>325438
>The greatest terrorism threat to the Homeland we face today is posed by lone offenders,often radicalized online
>The FBI also maintains the eGuardian system as a resource to facilitate sharing suspicious activity reports and other terrorism-related information by federal, state, local, tribal, and territorial law enforcement agencies, local and state fusion centers
>Additionally, widely disseminated propaganda on online forums and encrypted chat applications thatespouse similar themes regarding kill counts could inspire future attackers to mobilize faster or attempt increasingly lethal and more sophisticated attacks. These online forums and chat applications also reference accelerationism
>Jarrett Smith was arrested in September 2019 for distributing explosives information and threatening interstate communication after providing bombmaking instructions online
RIP borgers
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 No.325666

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guys….
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 No.325669

>>325666
Blessed digits
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 No.325735

>>325666
Best part is that the original nihilists were actually big on science.
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 No.326952

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Stupid german anarkidies go voooote reeeeeee
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 No.326960

>>326952
who cares
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 No.326964

>>325666
>Sergey Nechayev

What does vaccines have to do with him? Also, what does /leftypol/ think of him? I've been reading Demons by Dostoevsky and one of the main characters (Pyotr Stepanovich) is based on Sergey—Dostoevsky paints him as a manipulating, moral-less, and power-hungry crook. Is this an unfair picture? I also know that Marx shat on him and called his vision "Barracks Communism;" what does /leftypol/ think of that?
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 No.327087

>>326952
I don't understand, did they defend successfully at rhe end ?
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 No.327215

>>326952
reject fire inspections, set fire to barricades
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 No.327417

why aren't Hierarchies part of human nature?
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 No.327421

>>327417
'human nature' is malleable.
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 No.329278

>>327417
Human nature when and where?
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 No.329285

>>327417
"Human nature" at its basic level is talking about some very basic functions and basic sociality. Organizations very explicitly defined are not encoded in nature in the way certain people believe. We weren't born with "the state" encoded in DNA (never mind that "encoding" social behaviors is not how it works; even something as basic as a mother's relationship to her child isn't "encoded" but emerges out of the very real, physical relationship mother and child have, one shared with every other mammal, one that can be severed and one that can be overcome if the mother and child were separated somehow).

Anyway, social hierarchies are something built by organized polities. You would need language and some extant organization of people for the hierarchy to exist in the first place. There is no father-son relationship if the father isn't there and able to exert his authority, let alone something as complex as social class imposed by institutions (institutions which are in the end comprised of people doing things, day in and day out).

Anarchists don't get this because their theory is spooked and takes for granted (though they deny it) "human nature" and human sociality in its present form, or rather the form of sociality they prefer to see or believe in. They don't seem to get that there are people in this world who live in an entirely different social niche, for whom the social hierarchy provides a readily understandable framework for relating to people, who want to be led by a leader and given guidance. Anarchists wind up following gurus and cults which are more controlling than any authoritarian, and ultimately function as tools to be utilized by other actors.
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 No.329706

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Not sure if this warranted its own thread, and I know they don't consider themselves anarchists, but a delegation of the EZLN just reached Galicia as the first stop on their tour of Europe.
http://enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx/2021/06/20/llegamos/
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 No.329708

>>327417
who tf cares about hierarchies?
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 No.329709

>>329706
Yeah it's pretty cool ,most of the welcoming committees are made up of anarchists so i guess it's fitting here
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 No.329713

>>329706
imagine if the EZLN does a reverse 1492 and colonizes Spain in revenge
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 No.329768

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>>287332
One of the most important contemporary philosophers today
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 No.330849

>>329768
he's a retard who is only celebrated online for shitting on leftists and killing computer shop assistants
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 No.331585

>>329768
the industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race but everything else Ted K wrote was nihilistic cope
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 No.332574

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>anarchy will get crushed in a matter of wee-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cospaia
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 No.334757

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System Fail #9 – Chile: The Frontline Against Neoliberalism
https://sub.media/video/system-fail-9-chile-the-frontline-against-neoliberalism/
CW: Includes discussion about sexual assault, torture, and scenes of police brutality.
English and Spanish, with hard-coded English subtitles.

In this episode we look back at the wave of revolts that began in 2019, before being interrupted by the COVID-19 pandemic. We then take a closer look at one of the high water marks of this wave, Chile’s ‘estallido social’, and the steps that the Chilean state has taken to try and reimpose its damaged authority and legitimacy. We also sit down with Javiera, a Santiago-based anarchist, and participant in the Clotario Blest neighbourhood assembly.

This episode was a collaboration with Antimidia and Wind Born Films. Be sure and check out Wind Born Films’ Chile: Veins of Resistance for a closer look at some of the social movements that contributed to the estallido social.
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 No.336194

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I'm having a shallow consumerism moment right now but that's a pretty nice cover
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 No.337860

How can you support Anarcho-feminism when it wants to destroy males, doesn't that count as taking someone's freedom away, or oppressing men?

https://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/rants/scum.html
>Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation
>and destroy the male sex.
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 No.337882

>>337860
they can destroy me in bed if you catch my drift
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 No.341718

>>337882
No you will have to explain
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 No.342665

Is libcom dead? Their website, and the links to every book, article and pdf they have never load
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 No.342671

>>342665
Yeah I noticed too, not sure what's going on.
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 No.343547

>>342665
>>342671
seems to work again now
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 No.344352

>>343547
What a relief, it's a pretty important site. Do they have a torrent backup like the anarchist library does?
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 No.344783

>>344352
They've been going on for a long time i'm sure they have a backup
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 No.345548

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sub.media has some new video out, about transgenerational transfer of knowledge? I did not watch it yet: https://sub.media/video/transmissions-part-one-origins/
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 No.346072

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RMFzx_Ds6s
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 No.346166

>>346072
man that book was a drag from some point onward
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 No.352329

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Give me a book on anarchism to read.
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 No.352346

>>352329
Anarchists don’t write books, they write autistic dribblings and blog posts about how it’s totally heckin valid to rape dogs
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 No.352354

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>>352329
There you go ,you have to write a review by the end of the week!
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 No.352358

>>352354
>the poetry of some ugly thot with a special snowflake first name is what counts for anarchist literature
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 No.352361

>>352358
>I, too, can shitpost
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 No.352365

>>352361
Your entire ideology is a glorified shitpost invalidated by Marxism
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 No.352371

>>352365
Homeboy, I’m a marxist. I just think you’re an insufferable dipshit. Of course there’s stuff by kropotkin, malatesta, graeber, goldman and so on and so on. It doesn’t hold a candle to Marxism, but it’s there.
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 No.352398

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>>352358
Reclus was a world-famous geographer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lis%C3%A9e_Reclus
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 No.352399

>>352371
Kroprotkin was a literal noble, Goldman was a Zionist, and the others are inconsequential literally who’s. You’re giving these clowns way too much credit
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 No.352403

>>352398
>replying to bait
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 No.352416

>>352354
> 300 pages in two days
I can't do that
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 No.352424

>>352416
ok the next weekend then
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 No.352431

>>352402
God, kill yourself. You’re really this triggered by a bunch of utopian ultras.
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 No.352432

>>330849
sounds like you're projecting your own idiocy and jealous that he is able to amass such a following>>331585
>but everything else Ted K wrote was nihilistic cope
Ted was not a nihilist try ahrder
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 No.352843

>>352346

Mongo

>>352329

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index

See for Yourself
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 No.352847

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>>352399

>Kroprotkin was a literal noble, Goldman was a Zionist, and the others are inconsequential literally who’s. You’re giving these clowns way too much credit
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 No.355026

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>>312370
Phoenician seal of approval
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 No.355355

>>355026
Isn't this guy some stock broker?
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 No.355362

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>>355355
You can't corner Taleb at the stupid definitions of mere mortals
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 No.355369

>>352329
Errico malatesta is a must read.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/malatesta/index.htm
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 No.355378

>>355369
>anarchists having any “must reads”
Good one
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 No.355382

>>355362
Please tell me who this person is.
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 No.355410

>>355378
His writings are much better than most anarchist writings today. It's a shame, most western anarchist follow stirner and other post left ideologies. Unlike their eastern counterparts they reject strong organized structures in favor of lose autonomous groups. Their wish for autonomy above all end up hurting them in the long run. We saw that in CHAZ and OWS, they are easy routed by wreckers and liberals.
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 No.355417

>>355410
You give them far too much credit. No matter what postering they might do, anarchists ARE liberals and wreckers. The ideology is necessarily a self defeating one, because it completely denies the necessity of leadership and order that are required for a society to function, simply so they can engage in mindless hedonism. At least, that’s the case for those capable of complex thought
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 No.355502

>>355417
>because it completely denies the necessity of leadership and order that are required for a society to function, simply so they can engage in mindless hedonism.
This is false. The Idea that anarchists wish to be "ungovernable" Is recent; It comes from post left anarchist theory. Old anarchists like Kropotkin and Malatesta understand the need for leadership and hierarchy but, that they be chosen by the working masses. In the current state of things, these people are put in power based off of wealth and status rather then skill.

To make it more simple. Most regular Anarchists want the abolition of unnecessary hierarchies and liberation of the working class. Most post left anarchists want the maximization of individual autonomy.
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 No.371257

Ultras are a cancer on the modern day socialist movement. Individualistic, idealistic, utopian nonsense.
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 No.374765

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>>371257
>on the modern day socialist movement
the what now?
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 No.374775

>>371257
what are "ultras"
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 No.374831

>>352329
An Anarchist FAQ – it's super long but covers literally all the questions and also smears from authoritarian Marxists
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq
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 No.374848

>>374775
Football hooligans
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 No.374882

>>355410
>>355502
Stop this bookchinite nonsense. Social and individualist anarchism are one and the same.
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 No.380525

So just to be clear, nobody here is genuinely an anarchist, right? I know there are plenty of stupid people, but I’d like to think that people who browse leftypol are proles and not spoiled autistic troons with double digit IQs. Maybe I’m just being hopeful.
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 No.380530

>>380525
there are barely any transsexuals here
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 No.380556

>>380530
There should be zero. Threads like this attract the freaks
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 No.380579

>>380525
I sincerely jope the troons use your asshole like a fleshlight.
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 No.380581

>>380579
Fat chance, I’m armed and not afraid to gun down a mutant freak
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 No.380584

>>380581
>Muh guns
I know they say under no pretext, but I think we can make an exception for you.
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 No.380603

>>380584
Join the 41%, it’ll be a quicker death than bleeding out from gunshot wounds

Given that it’s been well established anarchists aren’t leftists in any sense, it only makes sense we turn this thread and future ones into designated anarchism cringe compilations. I think most people could get behind that
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 No.380609

>>380603
t. Some impotent sectarian dipshit who won’t advance a workers’ movement in their life.
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 No.380612

>>380603
>t. Impotent sectarian dipshit who will never be of any value to the workers’ movement.
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 No.380619

>>380609
Cope harder anarkiddie, your pathetic ideology will never work and your pasty asses will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.380639

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>>380619
I’m a marxist, rapemeat. Utopian ultras be utopian ultras, but you’re just a bitter asshole. My two cents, you’d go out in a blaze of glory by some useless act of individual terrorist spectacle. And nothing of value will be lost.
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 No.380694

>>374882
>Stop this bookchinite nonsense.
This isn't a bookchinite take. You don't see Greek anarchists doing the same things as US anarchists, this comes down to a difference in ideology. The same applies to MLs, MLMs or eurocoms.
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 No.397183

>>287640
>Flawed as Anarchist Spain was, they exceeded the production of the Soviet Union
I would love some sources.
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 No.397383

>>299792
Demanding the Impossible is good, but I always have to recomend this Iaian McKay essay along with it, which debunks the stupid idea of Bakunin being a secret authoritarian that MLs often throw around.

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarcho-bakunin-and-the-invisible-legions-revisited
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 No.398631

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What do anarchist think of gender roles? What if the sexes are considered equal but with different roles? Clearly it would have to be within the free will of someone who wanted to live with gender roles.
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 No.398658

>>398631
My honest answer is that I dont care what you do or dont do, if you believe in gender roles then go live according to them, if you dont thats fine too.
I just want to remove the gun from my back, whatever happens next is up to you as a person.

Gay, straight, queer, feminist, black, white, asian, its all theories or states of being that sound very fun, but I dont care about them and they hold no real importance whatsoever because nothing truly does, theres no universal rules, just people forcing it down with aggression.
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 No.398897

>>398658
>I just want to remove the gun from my back, whatever happens next is up to you as a person.
What do you mean by removing the gun from your back? Capitalism?
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 No.401867

I have a friend who says that you're not oppressed by the government because you have the "liberty" to do anything you want, even if it's illegal you can still do it without them stopping you at first, you will still get it done. What do you think of this?
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 No.401871

>>401867
sounds like a shitty argument
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 No.402958

>>401867
anon that's just stupid idk what to say
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 No.402972

>>401867
Show him this and tell us his reaction. If he tries to downplay it, or deflect you can tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-the-document-domestic-violent-extremism-poses-heightened-threat-in-2021/06cde3f2-f811-4382-bde1-df97dcc97cf7/
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 No.403409

>>401867
only works once
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 No.404345

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Who's the guy on the bottom right?
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 No.404366

>>398631
>What do anarchist think of gender roles?
Abolish. Treat everybody like a person, specifically the person they are since everyone's different.
>What if the sexes are considered equal but with different roles?
If individual people are different or differ according to larger trends, then treating them reasonably entails allowing differences of preference etc express themselves. Whatever differences there actually are will appear without any imposition from outside, and if the differences are only a product of the social context (and many of them are) then they can disappear.
>Clearly it would have to be within the free will of someone who wanted to live with gender roles.
This is verging on "what if the child consents tho?" levels of argument.
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 No.404605

>>398897
The state, there should be no means of someone enforcing his beliefs onto me, even capitalism is fine by me as long as I get to choose whether or not to partake. As long as the freedom of choice to live according to my own ideals exists, its not my problem how others want to live.
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 No.404671

>>404345
probably osugi sakae or hatta shuzo
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 No.405195

>>404366
>and if the differences are only a product of the social context (and many of them are) then they can disappear.
What do you mean by social context? like a product of gender culture?
>This is verging on "what if the child consents tho?" levels of argument.
Wow, what a connection to make. Maybe i should have specified that i was talking about adults here, although it should have been obvious. I was thinking of women who like being a mother, would they have the freedom to enjoy being mothers in an anarchist society or would they need to give that up because of some reason i don't know about?
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 No.405208

>>405195
>What do you mean by social context? like a product of gender culture?
Yes, something that's either socialized into people or only exists because of context, like other people's expectations of you (which are independent of how you personally are socialized)
>I was thinking of women who like being a mother, would they have the freedom to enjoy being mothers in an anarchist society or would they need to give that up because of some reason i don't know about?
That's not living within gender roles. That's just living as you please. Living within gender roles would be being coerced or forced to live a certain way, hence the comparison. It's just nonsensical.
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 No.405217

>>405208
>That's just living as you please. Living within gender roles would be being coerced or forced to live a certain way, hence the comparison.
I think my definition of gender roles maybe incorrect, i see genders roles or the culture of gender as part of biology of sex, motherhood and fatherhood. Both have what their biology lends themselves to without anyone forcing them to get a job or take care of children. Even though both parents need to eventually do each other's roles because they need to be flexible for the family.
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 No.407019

>>405217
Why are you so upset? Did someone hurt you? Did you even read my post? I made it clear from the start I think rigid definitions are silly. And as a Marxist we understand there are essential qualities to nothing.

I really don't understand what you are trying to accomplish with your weird passive-agressive comment.
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 No.407148

>>287439
>Tell me anarchists why are British anarchists so lame? I wanted to create some riot porn but all I got was a bunch crying people with green hair. Why is this?
You are talking about radlibs, you really have no clue what you are talking about. Chill out big guy.
Also it painfully obvious you are a very online person. Everything you know about this topic comes from Internet bullshit. You have never touched grass. Chinese people would laugh you out of the room. You have never touched grass.
采取不调查，没有发言权。闭嘴，小老外。
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 No.407468

anarchist more like gaynarchist
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 No.407492

>>407019
That's strange, i wasn't upset at all in my last post, nor was i trying to be passive aggressive. However that is the second time someone has asked me if i've been offended or hurt on a similar topic. I guess i have a lot of bitter feelings to feminism, but i am trying to become a leftist. Do you have any books you'd recommend for this?
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 No.407542

>>407148
The Chinese people would laugh off anarchists in general
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 No.407558

>>407542
The Chinese people would laugh off communists in general
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 No.407998

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>>287332
I love techno-industrial
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 No.411731

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I don't know very much about communism and have only started reading about Anarchsim, but why are they so close to each other despite having some clearly opposing ideas to themselves?
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 No.411751

>>411731
They really are not that close ,you can get a screwed perspective from online leftism where people constantly act surprised that anarchists don't give critical support to their favorite tinfoil dictator or the people's police
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 No.412102

I'm not exactly sure if i can post this here, since it might just be disregarded as idpol, but what would be the anarchist solution to abortion? It sounds simple to say that it's within the freedom of the woman to abort, but isn't it also taking the freedom away from the fetus?
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 No.412403

>>412102
Anarchists are libs. They don't think that deeply about issues of choice. The liberal position is abortion good, so that is also the anarchist position.
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 No.412409

>>412403
>Thinking abortion has inherent class content
You should have been aborted for this post
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 No.413934

Are there any books specifically on idpol from an anarchist perspective?
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 No.414029

>>412403
Buddhist anarchist here: abortion is killing a living being and should be avoided as much as possible, but also allowed legally and with strong public programs that help to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place

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