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 No.409309[Last 50 Posts]

Oppose the right-wing campaign against vaccination!
>Under conditions of the global pandemic of a lethal virus, mass vaccination is an elementary requirement of public health and for the self-defense of the working class.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/29/pers-j29.html

As this statement indicates, particularly in its concluding section, there are definite social and historical conditions under which the right-wing and libertarian campaign against vaccination finds an echo within layers of the working class, including its poorest sections. There is ignorance and social backwardness, there is also growing alienation, and tendency to reflexively distrust authority, to make no distinction between the government and the scientists. This feeds a general fatalism. It can only take root in the absence of any class consciousness. As the statement indicates, the struggle is not simply a medical issue. The last few paragraphs here are really crucial.
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 No.409315

Too hysterical, as always Richard Wolff has the best position palatable enough for normies.
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 No.409333

>>409327
Okay amerishit.
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 No.409341

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>>409327
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 No.409345

>>409327
Please inform your inbred parents and family not to take the vaccination and also write letters to your government to donate them to the third world
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 No.409353

What's with trot newspapers and thinking their opinions matter?
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 No.409553

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>>409309
Aha, still not taking the vaccine. Im gonna risk the 0.0001% chance of death of the young healthy myself. Is all.
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 No.409558

>>409553
The point of getting the vaccine is to not give the bourgeoisie an excuse to take all your rights away.
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 No.409562

I think it’s better not to rub their nose in it and except some of the criticism of the vaccine.
It was rushed for emergency use and it’s true there have been weird side effects, but it’s still most likely not going to kill you and COVID is worse.
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 No.409572

>>409558
What if i want to a c c e l e r a t e?
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 No.409595

>>409558

Lol what??? You are a retard if you take it for that reason

>Yess plss inject me with things I don't need

Stop falling for peer pressure grow some balls
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 No.409608

>>409562
I just tell people that it just robs your sense of taste and smell. Everything will taste like shit for years and years to come.
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 No.409644

>>409309
Very insightful analysis, which differentiates the policy of the working class, against the policy of various petty-bourgeois anarchist forces. The right to reject the vaccine injection is not different from the right to walk in the middle of the highways, or from the right to drive on the other side than the allocated side in the roads. The demands of these right-wing forces are similar to the right to murder other people. The list can go on endlessly. When these forces demand their so-called individual rights, they completely violate the right of the working class not to be infected with the COVID-19.

This ignorance is completely promoted by the bourgeoisie because today they have embraced anti-science mysticism to safeguard their parasitic existence. We can see this in the campaign against Anthony Fauci and the promotion of the theory of the virus originating in the Wuhan lab. This must be opposed and defeated. As the people embraced scientific outlook, when they “awoke” from the medieval period, today we can confidently say, through the fight of the world socialist web site we are going to educate the working class, and through that the oppressed masses on the necessity of having a scientific outlook. A very good analysis.
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 No.409650

>>409644
Y-you can't just say that Anti-vaxxers are establishment! How would I look smart then!?
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 No.409653

>>409644
>today we can confidently say, through the fight of the world socialist web site we are going to educate the working class
lmao 10/10
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 No.409658

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No.
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 No.409660

>>409327
post chin
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 No.409670

>>409658
>dude we're all totally living in concentration camps
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 No.409710

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>>409658
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Agamben#Statements_on_COVID-19
>Agamben’s views were strongly criticised by Sergio Benvenuto, Roberto Esposito, Divya Dwivedi, Shaj Mohan, Jean-Luc Nancy and others.[55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divya_Dwivedi
Damn, she is a cutie. And a philosopher too? Wow, she's perfect. Tfw no Divya Dwivedi gf to eat sushi and drink ciders with, to watch vintage French/Italian erotic art films with, to discuss Kant's Categorical Imperative with, to appreciate museums and aesthetic architecture with, to travel the world with… JUST I'm so fucking lonely
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 No.409711

>>409644
Much agreed comrade, the growing movement for forced innoculations, despite increasingly desperate denial from the pseudo-left Pabloite revisionist renegades, is striking fear into the hearts of the global imperialist monopoly bourgeoisie. Global capitalism, now more than 80 years into its terminal death agony, can only be transcended through the fulfillment of the objective historical revolutionary role of the class conscious proletariat. The emancipation of the proletariat must be the act of the proletariat itself - under the sole leadership, of course, of the one true world party of socialist revolution, the International Committee of the Fourth International. In their steadfast struggle against all forms of pseudo-left vulgarizations of revolutionary Marxism, David North and the SEP have won the Rank and File proletariat to a genuine Marxist program. The contradictions of global imperialism threaten a Third World War fought with nuclear weapons, and therefore the fate of not just the working class, but the human species itself, depends on resolutely exposing the Pabloites, Grantites, Cliffites, Healyites, Hansenites, Wohlforthites, Mandelites, Steinerites, and all other forms of counter-revolutionary opportunism blocking the path to left unity and planetary proletarian revolution. We urge all workers, youth, and intellectuals stirred by this call to action to unite in Rank and File Committees and to contact the International Committee today.
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 No.409720

>>409608
It goes away.
It sucks but doesn’t seem to be permanent.
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 No.409734

>>409644
Hello borg hivemind.
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 No.409746

>>409720
Well that's good. Still would rather not deal with that shit. There is probably not much risk from getting covid unless you're old but I still would not want to risk it regardless. Ironically that's why I go out running all the time, to get my immune system ready to fight whatever the fuck.
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 No.409761

>>409746
The reports worldwide are that more children and young people are being hospitalized and dying of Covid (at a higher rate) in this latest (4th) wave of the Delta variant than in any of the previous waves since the pandemic began in late 2019. It reminds me of the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-1920, when the 2nd and subsequent waves were the deadliest and killed many more children and young people than in the initial wave.
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 No.409771

>>409761
so all the reactionary old people will still stick around while their young die and they don't care? ALl the antivaxxers here are degenerate losers and crypto rightiods unironically.
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 No.409791

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>>409771
Yeah, pretty much. You're correct. Just prepare for your post to get brigaded by rightoid/crypto-rightoid bots calling you a "lib", "radlib", "pmc sjw" or whatever non-sequitur nonsense.

Here's a recent grim report, from Indonesia:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/29/indo-j29.html
Over 100 children died from COVID-19 in Indonesia each week in July
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 No.409822

>>409791
>Do you want children to get hurt?!
Youre right, i'll call you a lib. You forgot to mention CP and terrorism.
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 No.409871

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I remember just six years ago anti-vaxxers were a universal laughing stock. Now it's hip because fascists on the internet agree with it. What the hell happened?

Personally though, I wouldn't bother trying to convince americans to vaccine. If all the conservatives commit suicide and collapse the american economy we should absolutely not try and stop them.
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 No.409995

>>409822
$0.05 was deposited into your account
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 No.409999

>>409871
Fauci and co used too many noble lies last year, trust fell and they tried to resolve this by having unpopular media figures scream in their faces.
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 No.410000

>>409999
(noble lies should be in quotation marks)
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 No.410027

trust me bro side effects bro iamverysmart
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 No.410041

>>409871
Black people got linked to the shit that the US did to them and so they are hesistant and want honkies to get vaxxed, I don't mind doing it for them tbh.
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 No.410043

>>409871
>Personally though, I wouldn't bother trying to convince americans to vaccine. If all the conservatives commit suicide and collapse the american economy we should absolutely not try and stop them.
Fact. Retardtionaries DO NOT GET the vaccine, please get lung and brain damage if not death
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 No.410049

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>>409309
>wanting the U.S. to be successful
This is the most glow thread I've ever seen.
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 No.410062

the antivaxx movement seems to be utterly filled with homeopathic and dark net scammers who try to sell shitty faked vaccine passes.
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 No.410083

>>410062
The antivaxx movement is propped up by an entire industry of alternative medicine, faith healing, fad diets, supplement companies and medical companies started by disgraced doctors that are trying to sell shitty drugs at a markup. They even have some predatory journals they use to publish papers for their merchandise/make lies about vaccines look official.
Some people don't know better and think anti-vaxx is a proletarian uprising against big pharma, but it's more like some lumpens and petits being strung along by snake oil salesmen.
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 No.410089

>>410081
>wahhhh it's not my fault
Kys retarded nazi
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 No.410092

>>410089
You tried.
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 No.410094

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>>409871
>>410043
>i will side with the multi-billion Phramaceutical goberments and Neoliberal stablishment to own reactionaries
oh nononono
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 No.410105

>>410094
>i will get covid to own the porkies
>>410096
Yeah, we are brainlets, make sure you do not submit to such degeneracy :3
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 No.410117

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Critical support for the glowies in their likely psyop campaigns to give conservatards (more) brain damage
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 No.410123

>>410117
We can actually agree with them in a few things.
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 No.410134

There was a simple way to prevent this. They should have called it the "Trump-Biden vaccine" so that each side of burger politics would rush out to get and then say I got my "TRUMP vaccine" or "BIDEN vaccine".
I guess the next best thing they could do now is make conservatives feel like the government doesn't want them to get it. Make the up and coming Novavax vaccine out to be the "based vaccine" that everybody else was too stupid to wait for, then have some liberal outlets criticize it and have some unpopular dem talking heads talk about how they don't like it. Conservatives will take it in droves.
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 No.410143

>>410134
THIS vaccine is especially pushed despite the proofs that even after using it you´ll not be inmune to Co-vid so is obvious whats going on
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 No.410173

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>>410081
<Fauci funded the inane gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and is responsible for 4 million deaths.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/27/pers-j27.html
Rand Paul, Anthony Fauci and the witch-hunt against science
>Last Tuesday, Senator Rand Paul publicly accused Anthony Fauci of having helped to genetically engineer the virus that caused the COVID-19 pandemic.

It seems like we are back in the medieval period. Yes, it is. That is where the ruling elite is heading to. This is a thought-provoking article, which sums up the present situation in America and also in the world. The bourgeois has become so reactionary, so degenerated, now its sections are leading the witch-hunt against science. And this is in America, the country which lead the scientific innovations in the period of rice, and which was based on the technological innovations during the last century. But it is so rotten today, they know that there is no other way out than witch-hunting against its own scientists. Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who is working to defend the lives of the millions of the masses, is now accused of responsibility for the mass deaths. It is like, the clock is ‘ticking’ the other way. The accusation is this time done by, Rand Paul, the COVID-19 vaccine denier and proponent of mass infection, and also former president Donald Trump.

The reaction of the Democratic Party shows, that there is no principal difference between the right-wing fascistic forces and them. Whatever their “support” for Fauci is cynical. As the article says, there is no denouncing of the vaccine denier by any of them. It may be, the Democratic Party “colleagues” are congratulating the proponent of mass infection, behind the scene. No one in the ruling elite seems it is necessary, even to distance, let alone denounce the right-wing campaign of the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal. As the bogus campaign against Iraq’s “mass destruction weapons” lead, the way for the invasion of the country, this bogus “Wuhan lab” theory is paving the way for nuclear confrontation with China, which will be destructive to the whole human culture. The bullying and the intimidation of the scientists Should be opposed vigorously. The defending of science goes hand in hand with overthrowing the capitalist system.
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 No.410176

>>409309
this feels like a bait post
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 No.410180

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>>410176
>taking bait you recognize is bait
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 No.410205

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>>410081
<You are a glowing lapdog of government, and your WSWS pseud bros are as fucking phony as they come.
Lol, Facebook (owned by the billionaire Mark Zuckerberg) censored WSWS over their exposing of Washington Post's (owned by billionaire and richest man on Earth, Jeff Bezos) "Wuhan lab" conspiracy theory but sure, the WSWS is the "glowing lapdog of government", topkek.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/26/pers-f26.html
Facebook censors WSWS article exposing Wuhan lab conspiracy theory
>Facebook has labeled the WSWS Perspective column, "Washington Post’s 'Wuhan Lab' conspiracy theory stands exposed,” as “misinformation” and blocked users from sharing it.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/02/24/pers-f24.html
Washington Post’s “Wuhan Lab” conspiracy theory stands exposed
>The Washington Post’s claims that COVID-19 was released from a Chinese lab have been totally discredited by the findings of the World Health Organization.
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 No.410230

>>409710
Wtf is this response
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 No.410235

>>409995
You have it backwards.
Porky is the one shilling the poorly-explored mrna vaccines and refusing to employ workers who refuse.
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 No.410241

>>410205
>That third image
Holy shit I'm glad I'm not on boomerbook. They've gone from censoring dissident conspiracy theories like the OPCW whistleblowers to censoring anyone who questions NATO's own state-sponsored Wuhan lab conspiracy theory.
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 No.410244

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>>410205
>social media monopolies are censoring pushback on conspiracy theories now
We're reaching levels of censorship that shouldn't be possible!
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 No.410251

>>410244
it's theories all the way down, bucko. it's just about which ones to suppress, promote, and let die in obscurity
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 No.410283

>>410278
Good on Glenn

Trots like wsws are the worst
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 No.410289

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>>410278
Not once in that article does WSWS defend the FBI, instead they point to the FBI's long history of cultivating far-right elements to crush working class opposition and advance the ruling class' agenda. Glenn Greenwald has no need to lie.

Did Greenwald even read the article?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/29/mich-j29.html
Glenn Greenwald downplays fascist plot to kill Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
>Ignoring the FBI’s long history of cultivating far-right elements to attack and kill left-wing and class-conscious workers, Greenwald presents fascist militia members as victims of a government sting operation.
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 No.410290

>>410278
Oof, looks like Glenn didn't even read the article.
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 No.410305

>>410289
>>410290
it's almost explicitly saying that the Fox news-fascists and the 'insurrection' are a bigger threat to muh precious democracy than actual glowies. this is literally the left-liberal line on maga. what is the urgency to denounce them and call them 'fascists,' which is btw a headline-grabbing exaggeration?
>It is a historical fact that capitalist governments around the world have and continue to make use of far-right informants and agent provocateurs to further their political agendas and suppress the class struggle. The World Socialist Web Site has written extensively on the infiltration of German police and intelligence agencies by fascists and the role of agents of state intelligence agencies working within fascist movements. The relationship between the state and fascist groups is close and symbiotic.
it's like they think that the bourgeois state would be all well and good if the wrong people didn't inflitrate it
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 No.410306

>>410230
It's pure SOVL
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 No.410314

>>410305
>it's like they think that the bourgeois state would be all well and good if the wrong people didn't inflitrate it
Name one instance where WSWS ever said anything remotely close to this strawman you just pulled out of your ass. I'll wait, lol.

WSWS explicitly calls for the expropriation of the billionaire financial oligarchy (the ruling class whose interests are served by these bourgeois state military, intelligence, and police forces in the first place), pretty much daily.
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 No.410321

reminder that old BO probably would've banned all the antivax bullshit
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 No.410331

>>410321
Reminder Body Odor was a piece of shit who did lasting harm to the community.
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 No.410335

>>410321
Well yeah, he's a liberal.
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 No.410336

>>409711
trotskybros… how will we ever recover?
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 No.410337

i haven't gotten the vax because i'm lazy
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 No.410338

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>right wingers won't take the vaccine for a deadly pandemic
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 No.410342

>>410314
>Name one instance where WSWS ever said anything remotely close to this strawman you just pulled out of your ass. I'll wait, lol.
ok, lol. their obvious implication is that MAGA and its related groups are worse and more powerful than the feds. In the quote I pasted for you, they said that 'fascists' were 'infiltrating' the government agencies and not the other way around. this implies that if there were no fascists in the government, then such catastrophically terrible things like The January 6th Scariest Actual Coup Attempt Ever would not have happened, or that they wouldn't be setting up these militias.
>WSWS explicitly calls for the expropriation of the billionaire financial oligarchy
and then they spread FUD about the totally-real fascist threat to our precious government, lmao

so what, some idiots are guilty of some criminal act? the story here is that feds encouraged it, not that the feds are some secret proud boys who are the real powerful threat
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 No.410343

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>>410339
Yeah you know what's up. Give me that science load straight from the big science BVLL.
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 No.410346

>>410342
This

Wsws is liberal garbage
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 No.410352

>>410350
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/27/pers-j27.html

look how hard they defend fauci in this article and they call Rand Paul a fascist half a dozen times on this article lmao

This reads like r/politics
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 No.410355

>>410352
https://youtube.com/shorts/AHyiaJalPdM?feature=share

Wsws writers caught on video
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 No.410360

>>410342
>ok, lol
<more strawmen you pulled out of your ass
Lol, looks like you couldn't find a single example of WSWS saying what you claim that they said >>410314
Topkek.
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 No.410362

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Get fucked OP wusswuss is crybaby libshit and you are maddeningly obnoxious
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 No.410364

>>410360
>i cannot read and need explicit claims
the average wsws reader right here
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 No.410368

>During the past week, numerous prominent leaders of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have posted tweets celebrating the 1940 assassination of Leon Trotsky and portraying the murderer, the Stalinist GPU agent Ramon Mercader, as a hero.

>The tweets are part of a coordinated response by a substantial section of DSA officials to the growing readership of the World Socialist Web Site, the online publication of the Trotskyist International Committee of the Fourth International, among rank-and-file members of the DSA.

>In March and April, a World Socialist Web Site article exposing DSA member and Democratic Congressperson Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s statement denouncing criticism of the Biden administration as “bad faith” recorded over 100,000 distinct readers, including thousands of DSA members. Anxiety over the impact of the WSWS’s criticism of the Democratic Party and the trade union bureaucracy was exacerbated by the failure of the AFL-CIO’s unionization drive at the Amazon facility in Bessemer, Alabama in April.

>The DSA members celebrating Trotsky’s assassination include elected national office holders and leaders of its youth wing (YDSA), branch chairs, leaders of campus clubs and prominent DSA podcasters, as well as contributors to the Guardian and DSA-affiliated media outlets such as Jacobin magazine.

>Those who are tweeting sick jokes about Trotsky’s murder are circulating the political equivalent of pornography. They are not only laughing about the murder of one of the towering figures in the history of twentieth century socialism, they are solidarizing themselves with the campaign of mass murder carried out by Stalin’s totalitarian regime.

>The fact that such individuals hold leadership positions within the DSA should be taken as a serious warning by rank-and-file members and supporters of this organization. In politics, people are judged by what they do. Individuals who solidarize themselves with the crimes of Stalin have absolutely nothing to with genuine left-wing politics. The trajectory of their politics is not toward socialism, but toward supporting state repression against the socialist movement.

LMFAO look at this crying and seething

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/18/pers-m18.html

ITS LIKE PORNOGRAPHY OH NOOOOOO
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 No.410369

>>410364
Again, post proof of a single instance where WSWS said this strawman you just pulled out of your ass of "The bourgeois state is good, we don't support working class revolution, instead we support the bourgeois state as long as it's not fascist" >>410314

Is that simple task a too hard for your little pea-brain to handle? Topkek.
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 No.410374

>>410368
>Those who are tweeting sick jokes about Trotsky’s murder are circulating the political equivalent of pornography.
whoah and I thought I was the only one that masturbated while thinking about facefucking trotsky with an icepick
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 No.410380

>>410368
> crimes of Stalin
So… WSWS is now officially a rightwing publication?
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 No.410381

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>>410369
>i support working class revolution but we gotta save the feds from these dangerous MAGA fascists!
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 No.410382

>>410368
Good thing I haven't read any WOOSWOOS yet.
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 No.410383

>>410380
They're trotskyist.
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 No.410385

>>410383
neocons are right wing
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 No.410392

>>410385
Good thing WSWS aren't neocons then. In fact, WSWS was exposing the plots and crimes of the Bush-era neocons and PNAC since way back, probably before you were even born or when you still used diapers. Topkek.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/11/iraq-n23.html
Right-wing US group lobbies for war on Iraq
>Colonial conquest in the name of "liberation"
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 No.410393

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<oppose the right wing campaign against vaccination

so we should swallow the right wing campaign for vaccinations?
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 No.410394

>>410392
wsws are rad libs
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 No.410397

>>410392
Alright then, theyre center right with some basic awareness.
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 No.410398

>>410393
>medical science, virology and epidemiology is right-wing
>medical and biological scientists and engineers working on developing vaccines in a mass effort to save millions of working-class lives in the middle of the worst pandemic in the past 100 years are right-wing
Lol, the absolute state of the anti-vaxxer ""left""
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 No.410399

>>410393
He meant that we must reject their efforts to spread disinformation and propaganda and also their efforts to raid this board with their bullshit propaganda.

We must also consult fellow leftwing factcheck sites to debunk their bullshit.
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 No.410400

>feds infiltrate groups for decades
>'it's this trumpian fascism that's the real problem!'

>>410393
that's a dumb binary
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 No.410402

>>410398
nice strawman do you have an actual argument?
>>410399
>He meant that we must reject their efforts to spread disinformation and propaganda and also their efforts to raid this board with their bullshit propaganda.
sounds like he's pushing people to swallow bourgeois propaganda about the vaccine
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 No.410408

>>410398
>medical science, virology and epidemiology is right-wing
Dont call yourself a leftist if you dont understand that ruling ideology always masks itself as objective unbiased truth. From human nature, to economics, to biology. Thats not to say covid isnt serious problem or that science is fake, but this is a horrible libtard tier argument. Facts are always somewhat amplified or ignored here and there for the system's narrative, not necessarily becoming actual lies yet still steering in the desired direction.
>medical and biological scientists and engineers working on
No, these are the private for-profit megacompanies with deep connections in politics and media to pull off devilish conspiracies like the opioid crisis. Ill take my chances, you take yours.
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 No.410418

>>410408
This ceo of Reuters is on board of executives of Pfizer

https://twitter.com/pc_432/status/1393659818708144129?s=20

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/former-fda-commissioner-scott-gottlieb-joins-pfizers-board.html

And the former commissioner of FDA is a board director of pifzer too

People being ignorant of this thinking it's an altruistic mission are clueless
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 No.410420

>>410418
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Smith_(business_executive)

Here is ceo of Reuters

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Gottlieb

Here is FDA commissioner. And there is A LOT more people with these conflict of interest riddled everywhere profiting off you
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 No.410422

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>>410402
I have some news for you about the Soviets, not sure if you'll like it, it might trigger you, lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication
>In the early 1950s, an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year.[10] To eradicate smallpox, each outbreak had to be stopped from spreading, by isolation of cases and vaccination of everyone who lived close by.[107] This process is known as "ring vaccination".
>The fact that humans are the only reservoir for smallpox infection and that carriers did not exist, played a significant role in the eradication of smallpox. The WHO established a network of consultants who assisted countries in setting up surveillance and containment activities. Early on, donations of vaccine were provided primarily by the Soviet Union and the United States, but by 1973, more than 80 percent of all vaccine was produced in developing countries.[102] The Soviet Union provided one and a half billion doses between 1958 and 1979, as well as the medical staff.[108]

>>410408
Ahn yes the Egoist flag has logged on. TIL that the minerals for computer parts aren't mined by exploited Congolese workers (many of them children), nor are the chips and other parts themselves assembled by exploited workers in Chinese and Southeast Asian and other 3rd World/Global South countries. No, the laptops and smartphones you buy at the store are all *POOFED* into existence by the magical will of the Samsung, Nokia, Apple (etc.) corporate executives, then shipped directly from their corporate boardrooms to your local Best Buy or Amazon shipping center. Absolute Galaxy Brain Take there Ego-flag, topKEK.

And no, the vaccines weren't *POOFED* into existence by Pfizer and Moderna CEO's, the vaccines were developed, tested, organized and shipped to different countries by medical/biological scientists, engineers, and dock-workers, obviously you fucking Moron. LOL
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 No.410426

>>410422
soviets and small pox isn't really relevant to what I said.
2/10
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 No.410428

>>410422
>He didnt even understand my point
>He thinks this was BTFO
My point is that they work for a company that has its own financial interests. It wasnt le ethical consumption under capitalism point.

Fucking hell youre dumb.
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 No.410436

>>410422
what the fuck does this have to do with the posts you're replying to?
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 No.410440

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>>409309
Superb. I had enough with those sheeple.
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 No.410442


>>410440
lockdowns are cringe
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 No.410445

>>410442
Go back to cage, rat plague. Or better yet cough with some politicians.
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 No.410449

>>410446
>Cringe
<Bio-terrorism kamikaze, cringe?
Way to go, c h u d
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 No.410451

>>410450
>that mass vaccination campaigns in response to lethal global pandemics (in this case, a pandemic of Covid that has already killed well over 10 million people worldwide by the most revised estimates that bourgeois media wishes to ignore) are right wing
yes which is being pushed the hardest by right wing governments,
Or are you just ignoring reality at this point
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 No.410452

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>>410426
You implied here >>410402
>so we should swallow the right wing campaign for vaccinations?
that mass vaccination campaigns in response to lethal global pandemics (in this case, a pandemic of Covid that has already killed well over 10 million people worldwide by the most revised estimates that bourgeois media wishes to ignore) are right wing. I guess you're saying the Soviets are "right wing" for carrying out the "right wing" act of… mass vaccinating people to save millions of lives during a global pandemic (smallpox) >>410422 then, right? Lol.


>>410428
>It wasnt le ethical consumption under capitalism point.
AHAHAHA You are such a Moron that you don't even understand how badly I just blew you the fuck out >>410422, LOL. You implied here >>410408
>No, these are the private for-profit megacompanies
that vaccines were developed and worked on by the heads of corporate boards at Pfizer/Moderna/etc., rather than, you know, the actual biological/medical scientists and engineers who developed, worked on and tested these life-saving vaccines.

Imagine rejecting the labor theory of value, one of the most basic pretexts of Marxism and materialism, in favor of a "the bosses just POOF the products their companies sell for profit into existence, no workers or labor necessary" petty-bourg mysticist theory, and still calling yourself a "leftist"? Topkek, couldn't be me.
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 No.410454

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>>410446
>NOOOOOOO! LOCKDOWNS CRINGE! WEAPONIZING COUGH IS CRINGE! EVERYTHING IS CRINGE! CRINGE! CRINGE! CRINGE!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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 No.410456


>>410452
>that mass vaccination campaigns in response to lethal global pandemics (in this case, a pandemic of Covid that has already killed well over 10 million people worldwide by the most revised estimates that bourgeois media wishes to ignore) are right wing

which is being pushed the hardest by right wing governments
or are you just ignoring reality at this point?
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 No.410457

>>410455
<supporting fascist lockdowns
>Tell me more about it
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 No.410460

>>410455
>Duterte wants cops to bar the unvaccinated from leaving houses

This is what so called "leftist" here want to happen.

https://www.rappler.com/nation/duterte-says-unvaccinated-people-covid-19-should-be-barred-going-out

>Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte wants police and barangay captains to restrict the movement of people who refuse coronavirus vaccines, in a bid to stem the spread of the feared Delta variant of COVID-19.

>"Ang mga barangay captain na lang, 'pag ayaw nila magpabakuna 'wag silang palabasin ng bahay," said Duterte on Wednesday evening, July 28, during a meeting with pandemic task force officials. (If they refuse vaccination, barangay captains should not let them leave their house.)

>"'Pag lumabas kayo ng bahay, sabihin ko sa mga pulis, ibalik ka doon sa bahay mo (If you leave your house, I'll tell the police to bring you back). You’ll be escorted back to your house because you are a walking spreader," said Duterte.
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 No.410462

>>410456
>https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1229979.shtml
>
China leads globally in the number of vaccinations, with domestic jabs exceeding 1 billion as of June 19, accounting for more than one-third of the total doses administered worldwide, read the Report on the Global Use of COVID-19 Vaccines, jointly written by the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin University of China (RDCY).

???
China is a right wing government?
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 No.410465

>>410462
>China is a right wing government?

china is state capitalist
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 No.410466

>>410461

>Please give me more war on terror laws daddy!!!

You guys are basically lobotomized
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 No.410477

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>>410452
>Imagine rejecting the labor theory of value, one of the most basic pretexts of Marxism and materialism, in favor of a "the bosses just POOF the products their companies sell for profit into existence, no workers or labor necessary" petty-bourg mysticist theory, and still calling yourself a "leftist"? Topkek, couldn't be me.
Thats not what im saying. Im saying the company has financial interests, it doesnt exist for altruistic reasons.
I mentioned opioid crisis, which is about medical companies selling opioids instead of better medicaments specifically to increase their profits, as opioids are highly addictive. This has killed at least half a million people.
Why? Because these companies have profit motive.

These companies have repeatedly in the past decided to sociopathically prefer profit at expense of suffering and death of immense amount of people. Now govts absolve them again of responsibility in the area of covid vaccines, you cant actually sue them if there are some ugly (expensive :-) ) consequences years later. You give them carte blanche to do whatever to your body, with no oversight and explicitely zero legal responsibility.
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 No.410478

Brainlet argument shall resort to buzzwords. Lockdowns works, if the gov provide you with provisions & necessities during the quarantines. If not, then yes they're retarded.
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 No.410481

>>410452
>I guess you're saying the Soviets are "right wing" for carrying out the "right wing" act of… mass vaccinating people to save millions of lives during a global pandemic (smallpox)
Soviet or chinese vaccination programs arent run for profit, tard. Thats the point here.
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 No.410482

>>410478
lockdowns are just used to filter money from local working class communities to multinationals
'
lockdowns are a neo liberal position
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 No.410484

>>410482
Lockdowns transfered wealth from petites to hautes. Working class was on the sidelines.
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 No.410487

the correlation between the bourgeoisie and the vaccinations means little other than their profit off of it. there is no proof of any conspiracy beyond making money. there is a lot of FUD in this thread and I cannot tell what people actually have a problem with. Do you trust the supermarket food that you put in your body? It also exists in its current form for profit. Did you ever care about the many other vaccines that you had no choice in nor knowledge of? Suddenly the FDA's approval means so much to you? I'm guessing you just don't like the feeling of a lack of control of your life, the general alienation that we all feel, and so this small act of resistance is blown out of proportion. Just because it's ideological and blind doesn't mean it exists to harm you in some way, or that the smart thing is to enjoy having covid.
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 No.410488

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>>410476
>NOOOOOOO! CRINGE! CRINGE! CRINGE! COVID IS HOAX! LOCKDOWNS & MASKS ARE USELESS! VACCINES ARE POISONS! WE LIVE IN GULAG, LET ME OUT!
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 No.410489

>>410487

I don't see any side effects from the apples i buy at my local store or bags of rice. I see loads of side effects and evidence of it from these vaccines that are constantly attempted to be suppressed.
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 No.410491

>>410489
No evidence = hoax
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 No.410492

>>410491
I don't see what you are implying here

Explain
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 No.410495

>>410487
Why do you suddenly care so much about others getting vaccinated? It doesn't stop spread.

Do you also care and discuss online if people don't trust supermarkets? Do you also care and discuss online if others agree with previous vaccines?
Why do people who usually don't give a shit about anyone suddenly feel the need to push the vaccine? (you)
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 No.410496

You rat plague better done something than just autism!
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 No.410500

Why is this thread full of antivaxxers? are we literally turning into /pol/ or wtf
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 No.410501

>>410487
>Do you trust the supermarket food that you put in your body? It also exists in its current form for profit.
You mean the supermarket food that contains mountains of sugar to purposefully and intentionally make you addicted to it at the expense ruining your health? Good example.

>Did you ever care about the many other vaccines that you had no choice in nor knowledge of?
Their responsibility is more liberated under justification of speed. Hence bypassing the normal testing procedures for example. But this exactly is exploitable.

>Suddenly the FDA's approval means so much to you?
Better than nothing.

>or that the smart thing is to enjoy having covid.
Oh I dont want covid. I actually support mass vaccinations against covid. I want everybody in the world vaccinated, except me. That would be the ideal situation IMO that im aiming for.
Thats what i meant by
>Ill take my chances, you take yours.
Above.

>>410489
Stop poisoning this thread with cringe pls.
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 No.410502

>>410487
This. I imagine a lot of the anti-vaxxers ITT don't have any problem ingesting literal toxins and poisons (like the alcohol in their liquors, or the tobacco in their cigs), but a vaccine that's proven to be safe (unless you consider a 1-in a million chance of a blood clot as "unsafe") and effective at saving peoples' lives? Under the conditions of the worst pandemic of the past century (Covid) that has already killed over 10 million people?

It's difficult to bother even trying to make sense of it. For this reason, I commend the editorial board of the WSWS for issuing this timely, insightful Perspective in the OP >>409309 that clears the cob-webs of right-wing, bourgeois-supported dis-information and provides the clear, lucid analysis the international working class needs to carry out the coordinated global struggle to save millions of lives and eradicate the Covid pandemic off the face of the Earth. Because the intervention of the international working class is our only real hope at solving the massive problems (Covid pandemic, global warming, unprecedented social inequality, war, fascism, dictatorship) that confront us today, as a class.
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 No.410504

>>410500
It's just classic diversion talking point. Burgers spores spread around the world, so…
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 No.410505

>>410500
I'm not anti Vax, I've been vaccinated against many viruses. I'm specifically against the rushed concoction they are pushing as the covid vax
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 No.410507

>>410500
>If you don't want the covid vaccine you are anti-vax

Anti-vaccine is against all vaccinations. I've had all my vaccines as a child and school. I choose not to get this one off all evidence I've seen from risk reward for me.
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 No.410509

>>410500
No.
The rest of us have better things to talk about.
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 No.410511

>>410505
>>410507
Can I ask why? Yeah the vaccines are not perfect but even if they are 10% better than doing literally nothing that would be enough for me.

What you have to lose? you should get this over with and move on.
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 No.410513

>>410492
>I see loads of side effects and evidence of it from these vaccines that are constantly attempted to be suppressed.
Well? Post it. Vaccines side effects shouldn't you worry about. Unless you got some lethal complications diseases.
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 No.410514

>>410511

I am a mid 20s healthy male and already had covid. There is no reward for me getting this vaccine outside of force my government restricting my movement turning it into the equivalent of a license to operate a car.

The risk of fevers, blood clots and many other side effects is not worth it all for me when I am not going to die of this disease or even get remotely sick.
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 No.410521

>>410499
>The artificial spike proteins become part of the cellular lining (vascular endothelium) in your capillaries (tiny blood vessels). Thus your blood vessels become “spiky” instead of being naturally smooth.
Hey anon this bullshitt, cellular linings are made out of fatty acids, not proteins.
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 No.410522

>>410501
So you eat perfectly healthy then, in spite of the constantly shifting notions of perfect health? Admirable!
The speed of the vaccine was perfectly justified.
I doubt you ever cared before about the FDA.
Yes, but there are so many other bigbrains like you that we're not going to reach herd immunity
>>410502
You are a WSWS shill but their covid coverage has been the best that I've seen
>>410489
Trans fats give you bad cholesterol, but I guess if you eat only (((GMO))) apples you'll be just fine! (And malnourished)
>>410495
Why not? Retards are subhuman. Get in the vaccine gulag cuckboy
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 No.410524

>>410495
>Why do you suddenly care so much about others getting vaccinated? It doesn't stop spread.
>Do you also care and discuss online if people don't trust supermarkets? Do you also care and discuss online if others agree with previous vaccines?
>Why do people who usually don't give a shit about anyone suddenly feel the need to push the vaccine?
<The vaccines are working & reducing the probability of getting infected. The only reason the virus still spreading sporadically is purely businesses. Porkies still want profits for themselves.
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 No.410527

>>410511
I'm not a fan of putting untested random shit in my body.
Modern medicine just a couple of decades ago was giving cigarettes and cocaine to people. Nowadays they push all kinds of fucked up drugs like those anti depression pills and opioids to everyone. I won't even talk about shitty food because pretty much everything you see in stores is slow killing poison.
Theres literally no reason to trust them at all. I'll take my 0.000001% chance of covid death and wait a couple of years until they actually test that shit out.
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 No.410528

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ITT: Rightoid Q-anon-tier schizos are antivaxx. Therefore we'll take the exact opposite position and claim there is 0% chance of private healthcare corporations increasing demand, it has literally never happened (if you ignore the last dozen times). If you disagree private companies have our best interests in heart, you are reaction.

Amazing. The ideological mirroring mechanism is always amazing to me.
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 No.410529

>>410527
>I'm not a fan of putting untested random shit in my body.
<You're a dead meat
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 No.410530

>>410529
Try to make sense the next time you post
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 No.410533

>>410522
>in spite of the constantly shifting notions of perfect health
Imagine thinking new previously uknown information changing your conclusions is a display of a flaw.
>So you eat perfectly healthy then
No. Doesnt imply i should risk more.
>Yes, but there are so many other bigbrains like you that we're not going to reach herd immunity
Hard disagree. 95% of the population are liberals, thats enough to eradicate covid.
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 No.410536

>>410522
>You are a WSWS shill
It's funny that you think so, not the first time I've seen this claim. But no, I don't write for the WSWS, nor am I a member of SEP, nor am I some paid poster on a secret "WSWS imageboard budget" managed by the ICFI financial treasurer committee (Lmao). I'm just an anon who happens to think that the WSWS have the best socialist news and analysis out there on the web compared to all the other ones I've seen, and their site is updated on a near-daily basis (except for sometimes the Saturday/Sunday part of weekends or certain holidays, I've noticed).
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 No.410539

>>410522
>Why not? Retards are subhuman. Get in the vaccine gulag cuckboy
triggered
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 No.410540

I'm not taking the vaccine, sorry. No matter how much you screech or try to shame me or whatever. It's hilarious how angry people get at such personal decision. You can stay angry because I'm not getting it
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 No.410541

>>410528
You are setting up a false binary. You can get the vax and vocally oppose the lockdown or the practices of big pharma. You do not have to become le soyboy lib simp who <3 Pfizer.
>>410533
You have literally no idea what you are 'risking' on a day to day basis. This is impossible to ask of an egoist who is probably a sovcit IRL, but stop acting like the edgy, lone dissenter the way that multitudes of Qoomers do. You are not different and cool
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 No.410542

>>410540
Based. Spooky gang hiding behind the collective be seethin.
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 No.410543

>>410539
Get rekt, covidiot
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 No.410544

>>410541
>You do not have to become le soyboy lib simp who <3 Pfizer. you just have to take their product

I'll pass bro enjoy your shot though
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 No.410545

>>410540
>You can stay angry because I'm not getting it
<Go on, become the rat plague. Infect those bastards! Start coughing & laughing!
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 No.410547

>>410543
stay home, wear a mask, and don't touch yourself covidian
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 No.410548

>>410540
Lol sure, it's definitely reasonable people who choose science over rightoid anti-vaxx mysticism during the Covid pandemic who are "angry" and "screeching". It's definitely NOT the anti-vaxxers who've been incessantly spamming this very thread with their angry, screeching shit takes that promote the infection and mass social murder of the world's proles by the millions with the Covid plague instead of the working-class socialist position of a coordinated global effort to eradicate Covid :^)
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 No.410550

>>410544
Nah you just have to realize what a retard you are. Enjoy thinking about your vax purity while you ingest microplastics
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 No.410551

>>410528
>ITT: Rightoid Q-anon-tier schizos are antivaxx. Therefore we'll take the exact opposite position and claim there is 0% chance of private healthcare corporations increasing demand, it has literally never happened (if you ignore the last dozen times). If you disagree private companies have our best interests in heart, you are reaction.

>Amazing. The ideological mirroring mechanism is always amazing to me.
<They were jokers, remember? But I still don't know why those covidiots aren't going to wreck chaos yet suicide themselves with porkies.
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 No.410556

>>410554
You can leave this thread at anytime, enjoy covid
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 No.410558

>>410547
>stay home, wear a mask, and don't touch yourself covidian
<Hobos don't have home. Mask just like a shield. Wash yourself tbh.
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 No.410560

>>410558
>being an oogle
<washing yourself
pick one
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 No.410561

>>410550
>Nah you just have to realize what a retard you are.

Ok I'm a retard to you awesome. Still not getting the shot bro. Enjoy yours
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 No.410565

>>410561
Lol retard. I almost feel sorry now. Stalin would have saved you from yourself. Democracy was a mistake
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 No.410566

>>410560
>Smoking, drinking, drugs during pest
<Afraid with a single jab
Well done, c h u d
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 No.410567

>>410565
I already had covid and will do just fine getting it again. There is nothing to save me from.

You should put that energy towards yourself
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 No.410568

>>410541
>You can get the vax and vocally oppose the lockdown or the practices of big pharma.
Well you can but why would you? Vocal opposition has no impact on anything.
>You are setting up a false binary. You do not have to become le soyboy lib simp who <3 Pfizer.
That is true. I was relating to couple posts in this thread that explicitely claim there cant possibly be such interests, like these >>410452 >>410422
>You have literally no idea what you are 'risking' on a day to day basis.
Indeed the Real is unknowable. Best we can do is navigate through partial realities.
>stop acting like the edgy, lone dissenter the way that multitudes of Qoomers do. You are not different and cool
Not trying to be. Im just saying everyone should get the vaccine while I wont for above-mentioned reasons. Is all.

>>410551
I have no idea what this incoherent vomit of a sentence was even supposed to mean. Try again.
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 No.410569

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>>410561
b-but how do you know you won't like it bro?
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 No.410570

>>410567
Do kamikaze with porkies, then.
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 No.410575

>>410570
I'm going to secretly get covid and infiltrate the central committee of the ICFI to infect David North
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 No.410576

>>410541
>You can get the vax and vocally oppose the lockdown
That's incredibly stupid. With the way the Covid pandemic is spreading, hospitalizing people and killing people en masse now with the Delta variant, you need both mass vaccination and lockdowns to eradicate Covid. Only doing vaccination but at the same time fully re-opening the entire economy, ending all lockdowns and permitting mass gatherings of many thousands of people (as Boris Johnson's UK is currently an egregious example of) in the fight against Covid is like trying to win a professional boxing fight with one arm tied behind your back.
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 No.410578

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>>410576
>>410488
>>410478
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 No.410584

>>410576
>That's incredibly stupid
Yeah well I was talking to an antivaxxer lol. Good point though
>>410567
>let's do it again
Holy shit lol
>>410568
Your stupid antivax stance doesn't change anything either except you getting covid because we aren't getting herd immunity. Hope you enjoy it soon, cheers
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 No.410587

>>410575
>I'm going to secretly get covid and infiltrate the central committee of the ICFI to infect David North
Lol no. More like you're going to secretly get covid again, quickly realize that the Delta variant is much more severe and deadlier than any of the previous variants by far, and end up intubated at the hospital, wishing you had gotten yourself fully vaccinated when you had the chance, and wishing you hadn't fucked up this badly just to "own le wsws trots on leftypol" for an ego boost to yourself and for "channer cred" with the other crypto-rightoids ITT and on this board who larp as "le based anti-vaxx nazbol triggering le seething soy radlib uighas with moronic shit takes that only our cheeto-laden petty-bourg failson incel fingers could produce".
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 No.410590

>>410585
>>410587
what's with all the double posts ITT?
>quickly realize that the Delta variant is much more severe and deadlier than any of the previous variants by far
lmao show some stats to back up your fearmongering dude I follow the science not feels
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 No.410591

>>410584
>except you getting covid
I will not get covid.
>because we aren't getting herd immunity
We will get herd immunity.
>Hope you enjoy it soon
No doubt you would enjoy such a thing. Youre that type.
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 No.410594

>>410591
>Youre
I am just a spook in your head, just like covid…. Oooh aaah so spooky
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 No.410599

>>410594
???
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 No.410601

>>410599
He meant that covid is just imagination in your head.
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 No.410603

>>410601
But i literally said covid is a serious problem here >>410408

I guess he ran out of things to say.
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 No.410604

>>410590
https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/delta-variant.html
>physicians are seeing people getting sicker quicker, especially for younger people. Recent research found that the Delta variant grows more rapidly – and to much greater levels – in the respiratory tract.
https://virological.org/t/viral-infection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724

>Nationally, 97% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated [like you], as of July 22. Vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 infection and are also effective in fighting against the Delta variant.

>In California and across the U.S., data shows that areas with lower vaccination rates tend to have higher COVID-19 infection rates. Health experts urge that COVID-19 vaccines work to prevent severe disease, which may be fatal.
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 No.410608

>>410603
>I guess he ran out of things to say.
Yeah. He probably wanted to go to bed. It's 1:47a CT, 11:47p PT rn.
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 No.410611

>>410604
this doesn't say anything about delta being more deadly it just says the symptoms show up quicker. Also vaccine doesn't seem to protect people from delta or stop them from infecting others
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 No.410618

Though in all seriousness there is no ethical vaccination under capitalism. Capitalism has to be destroyed before vaccinations can be ethical.
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 No.410619

>>410611
>Also vaccine doesn't seem to protect people from delta or stop them from infecting others
learn2read
>>410604
<In California and across the U.S., data shows that areas with lower vaccination rates tend to have higher COVID-19 infection rates.
<Nationally, 97% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated
The data is clear, vaccines are effective at both slowing spread of infection and preventing people from being hospitalized and dying. Not 100% effective, but then again, no safety measure on Earth, for anything, is 100% effective. Just cause your car has seat belts, brakes, an air-bag and the highest safety rating doesn't mean you won't die if your car spins into a fiery inferno at 80 or 100 mph or careens off a cliff or gets iced by a semi-trailer or any of the other possible combos of Bad Shit that Could Happen on the roads and highways where you drive it
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 No.410621

>>410049
>every citizen of the US is fed

Take your meds and go to therapy
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 No.410625

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>>410049
Take these and fuck off. Выпей яд, fuckwad.
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 No.410632

>>410621
>every citizen of the U.S. wants the country to succeed
read this
https://cosmonaut.blog/2020/04/06/the-practical-policy-of-revolutionary-defeatism/
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 No.410633

Getting covid to own the libs
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 No.410634

I can't wait for my booster shot!@
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 No.410635

the ABSOLUTE state of this board

just take the vaccine

cucks
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 No.410638

>>410634
Didn't get the booster yet? Dude you're gonna die! Should have paid extra for the pfizer+ subscription
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 No.410639

>>410638
Yeah Pfizer is gay, would rather have covid like a based non-cuck
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 No.410641

>>410638
Wow you're right I better do my part!
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 No.410646

>lethal virus
>lethality rate is like 0.002; infection rate 0.03 at best
>better inject this experimental science-juice 5 times a day because the tv-experts told us to
>support everything tv-science-man tells us to because you fucking love science and aren't a right wing conspiracy theorist
>SmAsH ThE SyStEM! COMMUNISM NOW!
pathetic
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 No.410649

>>410646
antivaxxer befuddled when his anal juice cleanse failed to get traction in the coop
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 No.410655

>>410641
protip: if you snort viagra right after the second jab you get 3x protection and a 20% increase in penis girth
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 No.410662

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>>410646
Get in the slaughterhouse, cuck
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 No.410663

>>410662
Dr. Fauci and Comrade Gates will lead the revolution anybody who says otherwise is a cuck
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 No.410665

>>410639
>Yeah Pfizer is gay, would rather have covid like a based non-cuck
The possibility of not taking the jab and getting covid is significantly less likely than not taking the jab and not getting covid, actually.
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 No.410669

>>410655
How about cialis and/or levitra?
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 No.410672

>>410665
>having more trust in the tv-science-man than your own immune system
t. reddit cuck
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 No.410673

>>410665
>The possibility of not taking the jab and getting covid
<is significantly less likely than not taking the jab and not getting covid
Usual anti vaxxer logic. Выпей яд, fuckwad.
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 No.410674

>>410646
Heh. Another anti vaxxer. Fuck you.
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 No.410676

>>410669
brand disloyalty will cause you to automatically get covid and penis size decrease
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 No.410691

>>410673
>Usual anti vaxxer logic.
Negative, I was pointing out faulty logic in anon's post, not advocating against vaxx. He stated that that absence of A implies presence of B, when in fact absence of A implies absence of B at least an order of magnitude stronger than presence of B.
>Выпей яд, fuckwad.
Now be a good anon - put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger, incel. uwu
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 No.410693

>>410673
>Выпей яд
is that how they say "get the jab" in russian?
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 No.410702

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>>410693
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 No.410753

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Might get the vaxx, might not. We'll see if I care enough to. In the meantime I'll meme and make fun of both muh soyence sez and muh free frees. Try and convince me to either get vaxxed or not.
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 No.410755

>>410753
you're moderately less likely to die if you get the rona. Is being a contrarian worth your own life?
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 No.410768

>>410753
you either believe in muh science or intuition - can't have both
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 No.410779

>>410753
>Trying to "both sides" a discussion in which there are literally only two possible actions and choosing one automatically rules out the other
Holy fuck how stupid are you? Oh wait no need to answer you've already chosen not to get vaxxed but want to larp as a centrist who hasn't decided. Unless you have legit schizophrenia and have no idea what's going on plz kys for being such a pseud.
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 No.410818

The vaccines work fine, you're all just mad that "the greatest transfer of wealth upwards in human history" happened and nobody gave a shit. Plenty of proles are weathering the pandemic just fine, some of them even managed to save a bunch of money, and the only people who actually lost faith in the government are schizo rightoids and hapless lumpens.
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 No.410839

>>410818
>the only people who actually lost faith in the government are schizo rightoids
peak bootlicker moment
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 No.410844

>>410839
Are you suggesting that anyone farther left than sanders supporters had any faith in the government to lose
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 No.410972

>science is real and not a spook
lol fucking kucks. would rather die of covid
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 No.411066

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>>410844
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 No.411199

>>409558
They dont really seem to respond the way you suggest. You're not making a deal, they are testing you. How far can they go, and where should they apply pressure?
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 No.411386

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>>410488
>i will side with multi-trillion phrama, goverments protecting mrna from lawsuits and porkies to own /pol/
<the absolute state of the "revolution"
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 No.411387

>>410521
>ey anon this bullshitt, cellular linings are made out of fatty acids, not proteins
<does not know the importance of protein syntesis to his own body
this happens when you read marxist theory but no anatomical reality
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 No.411390

>the USAvaxx can't stop Delta from spreading
vaxxbros, time to admit it: vaccines aren't bad but this one sucks ass.
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 No.411392

>>411390
delta is fearmongering BS, the cdc literally refuses to release breathrough info to keep up the fear cycle
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 No.411394

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>>410972
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 No.411397

>>410635
Fuck off, stay inside. Wildcat general strikes > return to "normal".
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 No.411404

the only anti vaxxers I respect are those who are just lazy and don't want one. No justifications, just pure laziness.
I mean it's still yankie brain but whatever.
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 No.411423

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>>411404
with the money porkies are investing in this show they coul´ve started a housing program, fix public infraestructure or at least help debt-drowned students things that woul have been more useful rather than investing in vaccines that do not help nor inmunize and propaganda , this shows how reactionary the left has become thanks to contrarianism, even maoists and stalinist fell in this trap
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 No.411425

>>411404
Vaccines are actually doing better than I expected. But the fact that COVID simply evolved to bypass the current round doesn't surprise me, since governments are using vaccines as a substitute for lockdowns, instead of supplement. Do we even know if these are vaccines leaky?
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 No.411427

>>411423
I'll say. Since you're clearly projecting with the accusation of "contrarianism", and letting
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 No.411428

>>411427
porky indirectly dictate your actions by living rent-free in your head. A clear behavior pattern of a reactionary, if there ever was one.
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 No.411436

>>411423
you also have to realize that Bolsenaro, Trump, quite a few pastors and the other sorts of right-wing ghouls were the first to get the vaxx the very first chance they got. These people know that anti-vaxx shit is nonsense.
>>411425
Based
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 No.411466

>>409309
>Be leftist/anti-capitalist/marxist
>Believe every single narrative from capitalist governments and media institutions
>Trust your health to capitalist big pharma with a decades long history of gross corporate malfeasance
>Willingly take part in phase 3 clinical trials of novel mRNA genetic modification "therapy" which will permanently alter your immune system and without any legal recourse against indemnity protected corporations should side effects manifest

Kek
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 No.411469

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>>411466
>Be leftist/anti-capitalist/marxist
>think critically about information and news presented
>discern agendas, class interests, misinformation and hard evidence
>form your own opinions beyond unironically "do the opposite of capitalists are doing"
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 No.411471

>>411469
>think critically about information and news presented
>discern agendas, class interests, misinformation and hard evidence
>form my own opinions beyond unironically "do the opposite of capitalists are doing"
>conclude that's there's no way in hell I'm taking this immune-suppressing mRNA treatment
There
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 No.411472

>>411471
You staying inside, then?
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 No.411473

>>411425
yes, all the major vaccines are currently leaky. There's no true neutralizing vaccine so far
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 No.411474

>>411469
so many "leftists" will just go along with neo liberalism because muh ebil rebulicans are against it
i.e lockdowns masks BLM vaccines
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 No.411477

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>>411473
And people oppose lockdowns? ngmi
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 No.411478

>>411472
No
If I catch covid19 I have a 1 in 100,000 chance of dying from it
Also asymptomatic infection does not occur with respiratory viruses UNLESS you are "vaccinated" in which case you will have a higher viral load and fewer symptoms ie the vaccinated are super spreaders
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 No.411482

>>411478
What's your plan to not spread it, should you catch it?
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 No.411489

>>411482
Because I'm not jabbed,if I get it the symptoms will be apparent.I will then self isolate until symptoms pass.For my age demographic that should require a 7 day period.
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 No.411494

>>411474
>implying socialist countries never make people wear masks, take vaccines, do lockdowns, etc
Real socialism is when you get the rona.
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 No.411498

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>>411494
I don't know why petite-booj and misc. liberal fucks keep coming here, or think they're welcome, but masks are basic solidarity, and lockdowns are diet general strikes, so still based af. Vaccines… eh, you can take or leave.
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 No.411578

>>410235
>the poorly-explored mrna vaccines
>>411386
>protecting mrna from lawsuits
>>411466
>Willingly take part in phase 3 clinical trials of novel mRNA genetic modification "therapy" which will permanently alter your immune system
>>411471
>there's no way in hell I'm taking this immune-suppressing mRNA treatment

1. No COVID-19 vaccine is a gene therapy, since they do not use [recombinant] rDNA to splice in and alter the genome of any human cells.

2. Several, e.g. Moderna/Pfizer, use [messenger] mRNA to encode for SARS-CoV-2 Spike-protein, but this can't modify a patient's DNA, since it never enters the cell nucleus where chromosomes reside.

3. Instead, in the outer part of the cell [cytoplasm], the mRNA gets translated by ribosomes into multiple copies of S-protein, before being broken down after a day or two.

4. Others, like AstraZeneca, use a non-replicating adenovirus vector to deliver a modified DNA snippet into the cell nucleus, however this is also not recombinant: it gets transcribed into S-protein mRNA which exits into the cytoplasm & then works as in #3.

5. In other words, all the genetic engineering is done in the lab, not in the patient's body. The human genome is not altered by any COVID-19 vaccine; they only use the cell machinery (one way or the other) to manufacture the S-protein against which the immune system responds to provide enhanced protection in advance of a real infection.

6. There are also COVID vaccines which use more traditional technologies, namely attenuated live virus, inactivated virus and protein subunit types, in use in various places around the world, however they are generally slower to develop & more expensive to manufacture.

7. To date the mRNA vaccines have achieved the best proven efficacy, after 2 doses eliminating around 95% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases caused by the original SARS-CoV-2 strain, and they (along with the DNA vector type) can also be relatively easily tweaked to better tackle later variants like Delta.

Sources:

Brief description of difference between mRNA & DNA vaccine (Moderna v AZ) by MedCram:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq8-FR8s1E&t=38s

In-depth discussion of whole process of (Moderna v AZ) vaccine development, function & approval:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Idb_lCU4o&t=756s
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 No.411602

>>411578
>they do not use [recombinant] rDNA to splice in and alter the genome of any human cells.
You're a retard.This is not the only requirement for a treatment to be categorised as gene therapy
The "vaccine" instructs the immune system to stand down in the presence of covid viruses and to manufacture spike proteins via messenger RNA commands.This absolutely IS gene therapy.
> but this can't modify a patient's DNA
It modifies the natural immune response to covid viruses by mRNA commands
>In other words, all the genetic engineering is done in the lab, not in the patient's body
Noone is making the argument that patient DNA is being modified you strawmanning retard. The patient's natural immune response is being modified and instructions are delivered to manufacture spike proteins via mRNA commands
>however they are generally slower to develop & more expensive to manufacture.
No shit sherlock.They also employ tried and tested science AND ACTUALLY WORK. mRNA therspy DOES NOT PREVENT YOU GETTING OR SPREADING COVID 19. Not to mention short,mid and long term side effects.
> To date the mRNA vaccines have achieved the best proven efficacy
Bollocks
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 No.411604

No.
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 No.411631

>>411554
I support lockdowns.
The problem with them is they don’t go far enough.
The idea of so-called “necessary workers” are a joke when it includes people who work at grocery stores or meat packing plants.
Shut down the entire U.S. economy so I can watch porky panic.
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 No.411634

>>411631
>so I can watch porky panic.
Big porky profits have increased by 30% since lockdown you utter retard
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 No.411645

>>411631
>The problem with them is they don’t go far enough.
You're a stupid slave.
>PLEASE CRUSH ME BOURGEOISIE, PLEASE LOCK ME UP I'M SCARED OF A COLD
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 No.411649

>>411631
Lock me down harder boojie daddy
>>411645
This
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 No.411650

>>411634
Because the lockdowns didn’t go far enough, dummy.
Should have shutdown amazon warehouse as well so burgers couldn’t purchase their commodities and help Bezos get to space.
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 No.411656

>>411650
>lockdown grocery stores or meat packing plants too
>cause mass famines to own the booj
You're a retard
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 No.411658

>>411649
Like I said, if it actually was a lockdown of massive proportions, the bourgeoisie would not have been that comfortable.
What it was instead was a baby lockdown.
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 No.411661

>>411656
Yes
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 No.411669

>>411658
What it is is global class warfare by the haute bourgeoisie elite against everyone else and brainlets like yourself support it as useful idiots
Covid19 is a bad flu with a 99.8% recovery rate.
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 No.411673

>>411650
The future of life under coronafascism is everyone working for amazon for tokens and lab grown slop before being worked to death.
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 No.411674

>>411669
Lockdowns exist outside of capitalist countries.
The difference is they’re equipped to deal with it.
The lockdowns are good because they highlight capitalisms inefficiency in crisis and I hope there’s many more of them to help drill that into the head of westerners.
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 No.411676

>>411673
Great, just one large company to revolt against instead of all these diffuse little ones.
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 No.411679

>>411674
>Lockdowns exist outside of capitalist countries.
There are a handful of those and easily bribed by globalist porky institutions
Inb4 China. Uyghur please.
Belarus didnt lock down at all
>The lockdowns are good because they highlight capitalisms inefficiency in crisis and I hope there’s many more of them to help drill that into the head of westerners.
You're a moron
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 No.411681

>>411676
Good luck trying to overthrow the bourgeoisie when they've got everyone totally controlled via technology/drugs, have implanted biotechnology into the slave class (not proletarians, actual feudal type slaves) to ensure compliance and are armed with state of the art weaponry.
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 No.411683

>>411681
>everyone controlled via drugs
It’s like you’ve never seen someone on SSRI’s.
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 No.411685

>>411681
Technocratic porky tyranny is upon us and half of leftypol are cheering it on
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 No.411686

>>411679
>China BAD
Yh, you just outted yourself, radlib.
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 No.411687

>>411683
I have, now think what else they've got cooking up. SSRIs subdue people, make them slow and pacified.
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 No.411690

>>411687
Yeah, which is why I’m saying it’s better to let things accelerate now before it gets worse.
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 No.411691

>>411685
Yeah. It seems the tide is slowly turning. A few months ago it was just a handful of us against us, now there's lots of people the "covid" thread attacking the whole affair. Hopefully there's enough time left for a counterattack IRL.
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 No.411693

>>411686
No faggot.China isn't "bad" but it isnt marxist.It has embraced some version of capitalism under state regulation.That was the point retard.The only libshit here is you cheering on libshit lockdowns.
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 No.411695

>>411690
Accelerate towards global auschwitz, no thanks. Either it ends via proletarian revolution or the nazis complete what they started.
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 No.411697

>>411693
>REEE China isn’t Marxist
OK radlib
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 No.411698

You should be rounded up like cattle and injected like breeding stock. If you resist, you will be vaccinated for your stay in the gulag.

None of this "75-IQ retards need to decide for themelves whether they want to harm the population as a whole or create and spread new variants."

Wonder how many of you would turn into lolberts talking about 'muh rights' if this happened.
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 No.411699

>>411697
>reee China is still marxist inspite of allowing mass capitalist commodity production
Coping retard larpxist
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 No.411701

>>411695
Pfft, the Nazis aren’t even close to taking power , despite how much they posture.
You’re just a coward.
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 No.411702

>>411698
>t.porky technocratic tyrant fan
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 No.411704

>>411701
Nazis are already in power. They're gonna go much further than the 1930s ones did.
Also funny that the man calling for world lockdown calls me a coward.
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 No.411707

>>411699
>building up the productive forces of your country isn’t Marxist reeeeee!
I love watching radlibs squirm.
Keep doing it please.
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 No.411709

>>411704
> Nazis are already in power.
Please go tell /pol/ that and take screen shots of their reaction so I can laugh at you.
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 No.411711

>>411707
It's accelerationist but not strictly Marxist.
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 No.411712

>>411709
/pol/'s run by the CIA.
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 No.411713

>>411701
fascism = the merger of state and corporate power
This is now happening overtly on a global scale
>>411707
>building up the productive forces of your country via the private ownership of the MOP is Marxism guise reeee
Clueless larpxist
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 No.411724

>>411712
Literally any fascist then, I don’t care.
Seeing those dweebs slack jawed reactions when you tell them they are actually in the seat of power would be hilarious.
No, fascism is probably going to be carrying a rainbow flag, a bible, a confederate tattoo, and maybe even a book on critical race theory.
It’s going to be so schizophrenic ideologically that Nazism will seem almost coherent.
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 No.411727

>>411724
All that matters to nazism is
1. Destroying communism.
2. Exterminating the proletariat via slave labour.
3. Ensuring bourgeois rule.
All else is secondary, and the class war ongoing is achieving that.
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 No.411741

>>411713
I know that, but the Nazis were NOT every fascist.
The Nazis were particular to their own time and place.
Whatever is coming next, assuming fascism does make an appearance in the near future, won’t even resemble them because they haven’t got the base of support.
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 No.411747

>>411713
> >building up the productive forces of your country via the private ownership of the MOP is Marxism guise
Absolutely, yes.
It’s the fastest way to do so.
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 No.411757

>>411741
No, the nazis set the model for future.
The only way the bourgeoisie can resolve the class contradictions of capitalism is with mass killing and plunder, like Barbarossa and Generalplan Ost. The so-called "great reset" is just this applied to the working class on a global scale.
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 No.411759

>>411757
I frankly doubt that even if such a scheme was succesful they would be able to resolve the class contradictions of capitalism. You're far too pessimistic.
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 No.411760

>>411741
It's pretty obvious that anon was using nazi in a generic fascist sense
In that sense global fascists are clearly in charge.Given their international reach the superstructure will naturally take a different form over national varients eg multiculti,diversity etc will be encouraged rather than demonized
>>411747
>it's not capitalism when we do it
Coping larpxist
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 No.411762

>>411727
> Ensuring bourgeois rule.
And the best way to do that today isn’t by screaming the 14 words from the loudest platform you can find.
This shit is way more subtle and insidious.
Thinking it’s loud and proud Nazism is incredibly naive.
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 No.411770

>>411747
>Absolutely, yes.
>It’s the FASCIST way to do so.
ftfy
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 No.411771

>>411759
They're planning on doing it. Whether it actually works or not, they know the current state of affairs cannot continue. Profitability is too low, the working class is growing too large and too strong. We grow in spite of them, they've never wanted a healthy and flourishing proletariat. So when they say they want to reduce the population, this is how it will be done.
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 No.411799

>>411760
That’s really dumb, then.
He should have been specific.
There’s way too many radlibs who call everything “Nazi”.
>>411711
Being ruthlessly pragmatic in your approach to establishing socialism is completely in line with historical materialism and Marxism.
Please continue to seethe at the fact you can’t prove me wrong.
>>411770
>muh red fascism
Cringe
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 No.411809

>>411799
>There’s way too many radlibs who call everything “Nazi”.
True enough
>cringe
Not an argument
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 No.411812

>>411809
“REEE RED FASCISM”
Isn’t an argument.
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 No.411814

>>411578
>>411602
I need this discussion to continue as I dont understand how the f the mrna vaccine works.

What so you mean it instructs the immune system to stand down? And if it reduces infection severity, how doesn’t it help? What do you mean it doesnt prevent the spread? Normal immunity doesn’t prevent you from spreading viruses either, you can shed the virus after you already produce antibodies
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 No.411815

>>411812
It isn't.Thankfully I didn't use that argument larpxist
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 No.411816

>>411815
“Larpxist” isn’t an argument either.
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 No.411826

>>411814
The mode of action in the mRNA is as stated
1/instruct the immune system to NOT respond/stand down in the presence of covid viruses
2/produce spike proteins whether you have covid or not
The rationale is as follows
1/dramatic immune responses cause symptoms which can do damage to the patient and assist spread of virus
2/the spike proteins can neutralise the covid virus instead
This fails to account for the following
1/patient now has an immune system that will FOREVERMORE cease to respond to covid viruses incl the flu or future sarss viruses
2/the spike proteins can cause serious side effects eg clots,fertility issues,heart problems
3/ when the covid19 virus mutates - the spike proteins may no longer "fit" ie will be useless ie CONSTANT boosters will be needed perhaps biannually with updated spike protein mRNA commands
4/ "vaxed" people can still catch covid19 and spread it but because they are less likely to show symptoms,they are much more likely to spread it and will have a higher viral load without being aware of it.This could actually assist the virus in producing deadlier strains rather than vice versa as normally happens with viruses.
Whoever thought this was a good idea should be taken out and publicly shot.
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 No.411828

>>411816
it's a fact, as well as you being a retard and a faggot
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 No.411831

>>411826
it is always mind blowing with how much confident a retard without the slightest idea what he's talking about presents his nonsense
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 No.411832

>>411828
seethe
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 No.411833

>>411831
None of this is refuted
This is exactly the mode of action as described by the mRNA therapy pushers themselves ie big pharma
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 No.411855

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>>411693
>China isn't "bad" but it isnt marxist
<Meanwhile in china
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 No.411857

>>411855
>The Democratic Republic of Congo is democratic
>It says so in the name
Form vs content fallacy
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 No.411875

>>411857
>The Congo isn't democratic despite claiming it is
>Therefore the chinese aren't Marxist because the Chinese make a big deal of being Marxist even if they are actually Marxist, and this just a sign of that
Fallacy fallacy.
Checkmate
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 No.411884

>>411875
>Marxism - seizing/socializing the MOP
>Capitalism - MOP in private hands and commodity production for profit
>China - places MOP in private hands and institutes commodity production for profit
>You - China is still marxist guise.They have a red flag and nice pic of Marx in their big government meeting room
Cope
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 No.411900

https://archive.is/https://leftypol.org/*
which one of you autists archived this thread like 30 times?
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 No.411907

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>>411884
>Seize the means of production
>realize you need to institute reforms to rapidly increase the productive forces of your country in order to do global trade.
>Do just that; capitalist are kept on a leash by the party and your economy begins to boom while keeping 60 percent of your enterprise entirely collectively owned by the party.
>After absorbing foreign capital and gaining increasingly advanced technology, the largest capitalist hegemonic country is now on its back leg and your country is slowly reversing the Dengist reforms under Xi Jinping.
<all of this successful Marxism is negated because a radlib tween called your entire country a anti-Marxist LARP.
cringe, fam
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 No.411917

>>411907
> in order to do global trade.
Why should a marxist state need global trade?
>capitalist are kept on a leash by the party
So Fascism in theory and practise.
>slowly reversing the Dengist reforms under Xi Jinping.
Kek
>a radlib tween called your entire country a anti-Marxist LARP
Projection and bigly cope
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 No.411923

>>411900
this is important stuff, anon
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 No.411965

>>411917
>Why should a marxist state need global trade?
uygha have you seen what an embargo can do to a country?
>So Fascism in theory and practise.
When did the fascist keep the bourgs on a leash?
>Projection and bigly cope
You've been absolutely btfo and can't even form a response.
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 No.411969

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>>411917
>Why should a marxist state need global trade?
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 No.411973

>>411965
by party membership
the leash part is a joke however, just as it is in china
a communist party with capitalist membership and a "peoples democracy" or whatever dumb shit mao cooked up is just capitalism with extra steps
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 No.412058

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>>411973
>the leash part is a joke however, just as it is in china
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 No.412064

>>412058
the soviet union collectivized aside from putting kulaks in the gulags
what is china doing to rid itself of the material conditions that creates billionairs?
they make them party members and guarantee their private property
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 No.412105

>>412058
>creating billionaires to kill them
based?????
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 No.412212

>>411799
The forces of production have been built under literally every format of social organization, what are you talking about?
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 No.412217

>>409553

you still have a 5-10% chance of getting permanent bodily damage even if you are a young 20 something.

You could also infect others who aren't as immune as you.
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 No.412303

I'm not taking any proprietary vaccines.
I'll wait for GNU/Vaccines that respects my freedoms.
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 No.412348

>>412303
you make cheap jokes, but could you imagine how much more effective the worlds anti virus response would have been with in a free open source paradigm. So much vaccine production capacity is on idle because they are blocked by proprietary licenses.
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 No.412564

>vax bad
>effectively applied lockdowns bad
>barely any complaints about the vaccine patents the bourgies won't for poorer places waive
This place sure went down the gutter recently.

>global trade is capitalist
Yeah, it's not like the DPRK and Cuba have desperately tried to lift the blockades that prevent them from trade, and it's not like trade is why small or third world are able to develop quickly and skip a few of the egregious parts of regular industrialization or somethin'.

sage
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 No.413297

>>412564
Merging bunker and org turned out to be an awful idea, the quality has taken a serious dive ever since. Splitting the community between the retards and quality posters turned out to be a blessing in disguise all along, one the jannies threw away.
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 No.413339

>>412564
>Yeah, it's not like the DPRK and Cuba have desperately tried to lift the blockades that prevent them from trade, and it's not like trade is why small or third world are able to develop quickly and skip a few of the egregious parts of regular industrialization or somethin'.

>hates porkies
>hates liberalism
<advocates for porkies trading with north korea and Cuba
glowies being glowies
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 No.413417

>>413339
Cuba and the DPRK are both trying to get their embargos lifted so….
Who is glowing?
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 No.413501

>>412058
>Executes 14 billionaires in 8 years
And allows hundreds of them to exploit dirt-poor workers on 12h shifts.
And you parade this as victory.
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 No.414041

This virus needs to kill as many as possible. Save the forests. Save the climate. Save the tiger. Save the cod. Save the salmon. Kill the plague of civilized bipeds poisoning this world.
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 No.414051

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>>414041
>This virus needs to kill as many as possible
Aight, you go first. We'll follow your example we promise.

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