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 No.412806

Why is the far right so much more appealing than the far left to young men in the west despite being more vapid and substanceless?

/pol/tard crossposters, don't comment. I'm looking for a real analytic materialist answer not the 9999th iteration of "pol thinks we are radlibs and spams troon memes".
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 No.412813

>>412806

It is vapid and substance-less, hence why it is so readily accepted by the youth. It fits into their already vapid lives. Its fun to antagonize people and think you are going against the establishment by being racist.

They don't realize IDpol is just a orchestrated psy-op by the glowies in the government. The real establishment is capitalism and being counter-culture means hating capitalism.
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 No.412814

>>412806
It isn't. Younger people are by and large not rightoids in regards to social or cultural issues (far right issues). They are majority liberal in a word.
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 No.412817

>>412814
there's far more zoomer/millennial libertarian/ancap/fash/reactionary discord autismos than any other ideology. The reason the majority are liberal is because women are more liberal by a HUGE margin like +50
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 No.412820

>>412817
I am talking about actual polls. You understand discord doesn't represent anyone but the extremely online, don't you?
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 No.412821

Far-right politics in the West are appealing to young white men for the same reasons young Sunni Muslim men are drawn to ISIS and al-Qaeda. Just like their white male counterparts, Sunni Arab men talk up a big game about fighting the US and Israel, but end up killing ethnic and religious minorities more than anything and receive medical treatment from Israel and payment from Turkey. Their anger at losing perpetual socioeconomic dominance to Shia, Kurds, Alawites, Christians, causes them to conflate these peoples with the imperial domination of their countries (which was exploited by British and French imperialists, to be fair). There are even some Salafists who believe Assad and Israel are secretly best buds and working together to keep the Sunni Arab man down. Of course, both of these groups wouldn't have any influence without state and private interests funding them. Most American rightoid militias are FBI creations in a retarded farcical form of Gladio.
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 No.412822

>>412820
yes but even according to those polls, women are like 75/25 while males are 50/50
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 No.412823

>>412806
>/pol/tard crossposters, don't comment. I'm looking for a real analytic materialist answer not the 9999th iteration of "pol thinks we are radlibs and spams troon memes".

>why does [x phenomenon] happen?

>no don't give the actual answer I want a different answer
Can't imagine why healthy, well-adjusted young men wouldn't want to share a political milieu with insane troons, adventurist bourgie anarkiddies, weird anti-white diaspora MLs, 'gay liberation' types, drug users, mentally ill feminists, sexual perverts, fat people, etc etc.

Obviously this has relatively little bearing on leftist theory itself, but it's disingenuous to act like the actual makeup of the left isn't more significant as a factor in someone choosing whether or not to seriously entertain the ideas. This problem isn't fixable either, since freakshow elements have succeeded completely in co-opting leftism in both academic and grassroots circles since the 60's and 70's.

Most people who identify as 'leftists' are idpol-consumed liberals or foaming-at-the-mouth anti-white 'settlers' enthusiasts - sorry, it's true.
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 No.412824

>>412806
Basically the far-right is everywhere. Especially if you search for news in DuckDuckGo. Most results yielded are from sites like AmericanThinker, TownHall, TheHill, etc.

Also there is Patriots.win. A popular forum for Trumpers which contain lots of far-right material.

And also organizations such as the Proud Boys is basically everywhere.

In other countries:
Brazil? Bolsonaro. China? Censored. Russia? Azov. DPRK? No internet = no far right. Japan? Uyoku dantai. Indonesia? TAP MPRS 25/1966 + UU 27 pasal 107 1999. Europe? Immigration. Australia and New Zealand? Immigration and Tarrant. South Africa? Apartheid nostalgia.
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 No.412826

>>412822
nah
young people by and large don't give a shit about cultural issues ("alt right issue") The older you get the more reactionary on avg.
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 No.412829

>>412823
>fat people, etc etc.
rural whites aren't fat at all? your whole rant is ridiculous FAGGOTface larping as a strong jawline bodybuilder type platonic ideal of nazi fashwave meme meanwhile you play the normal bullshit about how every radlib tumblerina stereotype from 2013 is "the left"
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 No.412831

>>412823
>Most people who identify as 'leftists' are idpol-consumed liberals or foaming-at-the-mouth anti-white 'settlers' enthusiasts - sorry, it's true
Yep. All thanks to Twitter and Youtube.
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 No.412833

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>>412823
whats annoying about this answer is its totally optics driven. I have a feeling most /pol/tards cant into the materialist economics based message because they are suburban neets or petit booj's whos material needs are met, which is why they are willing to throw economics under the bus just to not be in a club with people they are grossed out by, even if it would benefit them as a worker, because they largely AREN'T workers. Feels over reals in a literal sense
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 No.412834

Probably because right wingers are just better at looking like hardasses. Like, what the fuck aesthetic do we have? Caleb Maupin? The right wing has Retvrn to Tradition medieval shit, Nazi uniforms, Siege masks, Tacticool operator shit

like of course that shit is going to appeal to young, hormonal men

most of them haven't had jobs long enough to realize they're getting fucked and by the time they do they're old, broken and decrepit but in the meantime they can vent their frustrations at "the system" by ripping some lady's hijab off or killing a fag or yelling nuyghur at people from your truck while dressed in your sick Black Rifle Coffee™ shirt with the Punisher skull sticker on your back window and once you get real deep you can do a cool salute with your buddies who have deep conversations about Plato's the Republic and the nuances of Murray Rothbard thought

meanwhile we have

>literally no movement whatsoever, everyone is dead, in jail, or autistic

>no cool uniforms
>cool music but no one gives a shit
>no cool leaders unless you wade through literally a fucking TSUNAMI of propaganda
>most of us tend to look like average people (aka dweebs) as compared to how the face of most right wing movements like the few, the Proud, The Boys are all muscular boat dealers (appealing to dumb white suburban teenagers)
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 No.412835

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The far right offers easy (and false) answers to complicated questions.
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 No.412839

>>412834
if a left wing version of the proud boys existed it would be infiltrated to shit by the feds and crushed brutally so the playing field isnt even
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 No.412841

>>412835
also this:
>>412834

You have to do a shit ton of reading to even kind of understand a leftist viewpoint, and our society, especially in the USA is so right wing by default I genuinely think you have to have some sort of literal brain damage/serious psychological trauma to begin wrestle with your preconceived biases and move in a DIRECTION in which something like Marx would make sense to you

If I hadn't had a professor in college who was an actual Marxist (a very moderate one) and gave us a fair assesment of his work I think I probably would have just been a very disillusioned but apolitical person. Right wing thought, at least in the extreme merely works with what is already there underneath the surface. The West is largely predicated on the ideas of the "far-right", at least in practice (see: rabid anti-communism in the Cold War, all of colonialism) but obfuscated through various euphism and smokescreens, I think that most people into that shit are just more open about what the average person tends to be believe if under duress. You can see this in subreddits for local areas in bloo states, a lot of them , when upset or pressed will say shit not far off from a /pol/tard despite being "progressive".

Leftists views take a bit of cultivation.
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 No.412849

It's not, plz say the country so we can give specific answers
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 No.412850

What are you basing this on? I've met more far-left (in fact, more ex-/pol/) than I have alt-right or /pol/, so I can't even rebut since it's not true here.
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 No.412855

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>>412806
>>412849
Why does leftypol like taking the b&it every single time at least research before asking, in Europe the Far-right has a portion of the youth but in burgeristan definitely not, in burgeristan Zoomers view on nationalism and patriotism ahs been trending down
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 No.412856

>>412823
>Can't imagine why healthy, well-adjusted young men wouldn't want to share a political milieu with insane troons, adventurist bourgie anarkiddies, weird anti-white diaspora MLs, 'gay liberation' types, drug users, mentally ill feminists, sexual perverts, fat people, etc etc.
I'm sincerely sorry that the dirty underclasses who tend to rarely be healthy or well-adjusted themselves aren't to your liking. Once those healthy, well-adjusted young men fall into poverty, I doubt they will remain either of that for very long either. Hell, I doubt their butts remain tight for long once money gets especially tight.

>the actual makeup of the left

Is a multitude of different people and tends to reflect the population, including these wonderful healthy and well-adjusted young men, who also were born here and speak the language who went to school and worked. Your agitprop is not impressive.

>sorry, it's true

Of course it is. Everything you say is true, and everything we say is false and part of a Jewish plot to delete white people and destroy Western civilization, as the meme goes. I wish you a pleasant day, sonny.
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 No.412859

>>412824
Yeah the dominance of the Far-right on the internet is disturbing, considering the fact that they've cornerd the alternative media niche, leftsts need to step up their e-game.

>>412856
The nazi is describing how the upper middle class is radicalized, lol.
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 No.412862

>>412859
>The nazi is describing how the upper middle class is radicalized, lol
thats correct. most non boomer /pol/tards are alienated upper middle class suburbanite failsons
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 No.412867

>>412862
Yep.
>failsons
You mean people with self-esteem and irl friendship issues? Correct. They would seek refuge in pro-Nazi strongholds like 4chan and 8chan. Then they would get radicalized.
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 No.412870

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>>412806
Liberal democracies pretend to be left, so the "far left" is seen by normies as a establishment spinoff while the "far right" is seen the radical opposition.

Not that it matters, normies will side with whomever controls the media at any point.
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 No.412871

>>412867
Also it is important to note is that the current generation is being radicalised to the left mostly, with 30% saying they approve of Marxism and a 19% on gap on free speech between racists and communists in favour of communists.


>>412870
That's why I dislike the against the establishment mindset as cool since it leads mostly to the far-right.
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 No.412882

>>412871
the problem is being "against the elites" is that in burgerland at least its imbued with quasi religious undertones, rather than simply being a group with its own, opposed self interests it becomes some moustache twirling villains, which is why the qanon shit makes sense from that point of view, asking why the elites are evil is like asking why the devil is evil: he just is. So it leads to irrationally misunderstanding the moves of the bourgeois and the obfuscation of institutional analysis and materialist analysis in favor of what is actually a secularized parody of protestant christianity.
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 No.412909

The right understands that perception is more influencing than reality. The right projects a strong image, while the left projects a weak one. It doesn't matter if the typical rightoid is a poljak lookalike, their messaging is simply more appealing.
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 No.412915

>why is the far right more popular on the west.
Source:terminally online 15 years old on discord.
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 No.412916

>>412909
This is all from a particular perspective which is also their downfall. They can only project these images to people of the same or similar demographics, which is young white guys who spend too much time on 4chan or DIscord. This overlaps with /leftypol/ thus creating this false sense that the right is perceived as tough guys when there is not a single non-white who thinks the average 4chan fashoid zoomer is badass at all.
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 No.412917

>>412909
>>412915
The claim itself is downright wrong.
>>412855
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 No.412922

>>412917
again, it says MEN. the right is more appealing to men, the stats about boomers are skewed by genz females being overwhelming liberal
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 No.412923

>>412922
*zoomers
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 No.412924

>>412922
source or gtfout
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 No.412925

>>412922
Which begs the question: why are online faggots so intent on converting young male rightoids instead of the already left-leaning women? Why are women written off as neoliberal foot soldiers when the fashoid shitposting George Floyd sneed memes all day is somehow your comrade-in-waiting?
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 No.412926

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>>412823
>Can't imagine why healthy, well-adjusted young men wouldn't want to share a political milieu with insane troons, adventurist bourgie anarkiddies, weird anti-white diaspora MLs, 'gay liberation' types, drug users, mentally ill feminists, sexual perverts, fat people, etc etc.
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 No.412927

>>412925
cuase most leftists of the internet are boys who still think girls give you cooties
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 No.412928

It appeals to our chimp brain and reptilian instincts. Rightoids lack both IQ and EQ.
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 No.412930

>>412924
>>412927
Leftypol is completely idiotic, in the only graph I posted which broke down gender, it showed both men and women gave a 10 point advantage to communists.

>>412928
The data indicates he opposite.
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 No.412933

>>412823
>Can't imagine why healthy, well-adjusted young men
That's not the average far right male.

Is the average white cis heterosexual male that incapable of grasping they aren't the only demographic whose grievances matter? Because if that's your best argument, other demographics are right in hating you.
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 No.412934

>>412933
The average far-righter is also an upper middle class person.
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 No.412936

>>412925
Because the base demographic of leftypol relates more to these types of people.
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 No.412939

>>412930
>The data indicates he opposite.
What data specifically?
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 No.412946

It takes far less energy to mindlessly hate and repost memes than it takes to look for solutions to problems that might work.
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 No.412948

>>412939
Here, I posted it before.
>>412855
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 No.412950

>>412946
True, but both left and right are mired in the online quagmire. Fascists used to fetishize action and violence but are now relegated to fetishizing the brave act of posting sneed memes. Leftism has also always fetishized the groundbreaking intellectual, but in our time every zoomer and millennial wants to be their own political sage, Matt Christman style who ironically draws in more online-addled freaks as he spreads the gospel of logging off.
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 No.412954

>>412948
Yeah I already saw that, but I don't see a contradiction that rightoids wouldn't have low IQ and EQ because of that. Or that rightism doesn't appeal to our base instincts, so to say.
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 No.412959

>>412954
No but it shows that in America the Far-right is not
very popular among the young.
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 No.412971

>>412823
>Can't imagine why healthy, well-adjusted young men wouldn't want to share a political milieu with insane troons, adventurist bourgie anarkiddies, weird anti-white diaspora MLs, 'gay liberation' types, drug users, mentally ill feminists, sexual perverts, fat people, etc etc.
t. person whose view of what "the left" is comes exclusively from SJW owned compilations and making fun of 14 year old picrew avatar anarchists on twitter

youve accidentally given a really good answer to OPs question. its a lot easier to get radicalized through making fun of people who you see get called "the left". you see some stupid buzzfeed articles, make the 239052957th attack helicopter joke, you see your local news constantly talk about immigration, laugh at stonetoss making fun of those stupid lefties, until you hear him mention how the jews or whoever is behind it all. depending on how far removed from reality you are at that point, you buy into it. its a slow process and all you need to start is laughing at literal strawmen.
being radicalized into the far left is fundamentally different, since it takes most people a while to make the realization that the economic system we all took for granted is fundamentally working against us.

your answer is truly revealing. for you (or us) young kids just getting into politics via youtube, instagram and later 4chan, its not about any real struggle, fight for liberation, or real material change, its about wanting to be associated with le based epic and edgy frogposters who seem to push boundaries, and not with those cringy buzzfeed feminists or "no food 10000 million dead venezuela" commies.
if you, like most zoomers, get into politics like this, you can spend years identifying with some political affiliation because you think theyre cool, owning the libs and have funny memes, without ever getting even remotely close to understanding your actual opposition, who are not buzzfeed or washington post writers.
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 No.412973

>>412806
>its another "everyone is poltard !" stupid fucking thread by a terminally online moron
fuck off retard
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 No.413009

>>412916
> there is not a single non-white who thinks the average 4chan fashoid zoomer is badass at all.

you sure about that? alot of self hating latino rightoids on /pol/
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 No.413021

>>413009
have you read those posts? it's mostly bragging about being 1/4 to 1/2 white so they can justify why they spend most of their time with wignats. after all, mestizos and more white-passing Latinos are overrepresented in the ranks of the LatAm right. i've seen some (maybe fake?) South Koreans and Japanese posters pretend like every "East Aryan" man wants white gamers to immigrate to Seoul or Tokyo to improve their bloodline and fight against China. i'd take any /pol/ post with a barrel full of salt.
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 No.413050

Argumentum ad passiones–appeal to emotions.
>an informal fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.
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 No.413061

Left wing is about real shit, right wing is about feelings. Its always easier to lure people in with abstract feelings bullshit
>MUH FAMILY, MUH RACE, MUH CULTURE MUH RELIGION
All very alluring to the smoothbrained
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 No.413088

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>>412835
>>412841
>>412928
>>412946
>>413061
>muh you need to be high IQ to understand leftism
No fuck off. The peasants who supported the October revolution didn't even know how to read. Leftism is actually very simple. Vast segments of the population realize that billionaires run the country, that the media is corrupt and full of shit and politics is a complete D&C spectacle. Didn't vote is the most successful candidate every election. Class is a very simple concept to understand.

These people just don't see a viable alternative. The perception is that the left is made up of bugmen and students that compete amongst themselves who can spout the most radical sounding empty rhetoric. Normal people just turn to nihilism when the alternatives are freaks whose political platform is "protect non-binary BIPOC sex workers" or suburban nerdy white kids who can't cope with the fact that saying uyghur is not socially acceptable.

>>412823 is right
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 No.413092

the appeal is the same of Satanism. It attracts edgy kids, and that's about all there is to say really
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 No.413098

>>413088
>muh college students
Americans got shoved with anti-communist propaganda so far up they ass that they think that anything and everything is communist that is gonna kill 100 quadrillion people with a snap of a finger not because of college femminists read a history book my nigra.
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 No.413139

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>>412824
>Japan? Uyoku dantai.
Those guys are such dorks though. They're like weebs for their own country. They should get on a boat and then go occupy one of those disputed rocks that they claim doesn't belong to Russia or South Korea.

I don't know why people are afraid of right-wing guys. They just seem like tools. Like this anon says >>412841 their societies already largely built on their ideals in the first place, just obfuscated. They want to live in the Starship Troopers empire? The U.S. already is that empire and these weebsters aren't opposed to it. The one based moment they had which they're still proud of today was stabbing a socialist politician to death because he opposed the U.S.-Japan security pact. Just tools.
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 No.413142

Maybe because leftism is disgenic and most guys realize that virtue signaling doesn't actually help u get chicks
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 No.413144

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 No.413155

>>413139
>I don't know why people are afraid of right-wing guys
They could be as violent as capitol rioters.
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 No.413156

We're still in the "aftermath" timeline-wise of the dissolution of the USSR, the largest driving force of the far-left for 70 years.
Once China is more clearly a new driving force (my estimation is between 2025-2035) things will go back to normal and the far-right will only have the otaku demographic of fat greasy manchildren left (right now like 60% of it already).
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 No.413172

>>413142
>Thinking that all politics is sexual pathology
Projection
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 No.413176

It doesn't, the pendulum was just in the right and now it's coming back.
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 No.413187

>>413155
imagine being this butthurt over liberals being butthurt over capitol riots
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 No.413204

The far right doesn’t have more appeal and could never. What the far right has done historically is have the appearance of populist leftism while it’s core is far right. And since human beings are suckers for appearances, something that appears as populistic is preferable. So when the populistic left forces are coopted by the powers that be(the bourgeois) you get something that appears like the status quo controls but it’s core is left. So the populist left forces fail because appearance wise the status quo takes it over. So the populistic right keeps its appearance of a left populism (against the status quo) while maintaining its core conservativism.
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 No.413213

>>413144
I have a commie friend who is also a girl and she told me this story about her neighbors who are these frat guys who put a Trump sign in front of their house and started "training" how to fight in their backyard like Fight Club. And she'd hear them out there like:

"Okay, I want you to hit me…" … *thud* "OUCH"

A lot of this stuff is pretty dopey Beavis and Butthead stuff. I don't think a lot of women are seeing some dudes bonk each other over the head while wearing costumes and think "wow, that's really turning me on."

>>412871
>That's why I dislike the against the establishment mindset as cool since it leads mostly to the far-right.
>>412882
>the problem is being "against the elites" is that in burgerland at least its imbued with quasi religious undertones
I don't like populism. I think it's the negative reflection of the establishment, and populist politicians tend to be demagogues because they'll collect opinions of people like a vacuum cleaner, but people have all kinds of ideas. Trump said "Build a Wall" and people went "woot woot woot!!!" and that got a good reaction so he just repeated that back to them. Whatever got the loudest applause lines from his crowd, he would repeat. He didn't give a shit what it was, because what Trump "was" or "is" is an outlet for people to express their frustrations without actually changing anything. Build the wall! You mean the one we already have?

I'm almost thinking the left should "mirror" society at different levels but in a different way. I mean in terms of practices at some level where you synchronize with the format. You do real journalism but focusing on subjects that the corporate media doesn't cover. There are streamers on Twitch but they're not trying to be edgelords about it. Or almost like that old video from Captain Falcon about "how to spot a communist" and the Portuguese fascist cops go into a bank and they can't tell who's a communist or not because they've so effectively blended in / merged with the society around them. Then the punchline is that the communists reveal themselves and they all have giant beards and are wearing red overalls.

I think the right wing fears this though (see video). This is like their nightmare.
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 No.413226

As someone that used to align with the far right, I don't think it has more appeal. What it does have is greater visibility, especially in America where anti-communist propaganda is deeply ingrained in the collective psyche and communism is treated as some esoteric force of evil. If you're a young guy that's unhappy with life under capitalism, but lack the knowledge needed to understand why, you can easily end up ensnared by far right spooks like muh jews and immigrants ruining everything.
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 No.413230

>>413226
>If you're a young guy that's unhappy with life under capitalism, but lack the knowledge needed to understand why, you can easily end up ensnared by far right spooks like muh jews and immigrants ruining everything.
Yep.They radicalize people like those who are disillusioned by capitalism) by brainwashing them into believing that
>muh evrey
is taking over the world and controlling every single central bank in Mother Earth.
Most of its victims are people with self esteem issues.
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 No.413236

>>412806
It gives you power. The left libs are all about submission. You have to apologize for being a white male etc. The right tells them "actually being white male is great", and that's it.

Americans are fucked in the head. The left does this as well. I see marxist leninists saying these rancid sexist racist takes all the time. Sure, if you're not a woman you will never understand how shitty it is, but if you're a marxist leninist already, that's already 90% of the way. The rest of the things are details. So what if you don't understand the Maori struggle? As long as you support them when its important that is more than enough.

It's all posturing in politics nowadays. All virtue signaling, all dogmatism, it's bullshit.
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 No.413239

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>>413226
>What it does have is greater visibility, especially in America where anti-communist propaganda is deeply ingrained in the collective psyche
This guy was a NATO official during the Cold War lmao
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 No.413416

The average burger was conditioned by the MSM to hate communism, most of them in typical burger fashion don't even know what communism is (That's why is so easy for Trump to call Dems "communists" since the vast majority of Trumpists don't even know what it is, they just know it's something bad).

The far right says "we hate communists the most, also we hate people that has been conspiring against you for decades, namely Jews, blacks, gays etc" "you're not a failure because you're a resentful Incel loser oh no…you're a failure because the Jews,blacks and communists conspire to make you a failure"

It's very easy for resentful zoomers to deflect their own insecurities and problems and say "hey you're right Hitler! It's their fault! I want to kill them because they're the ones keeping me out in poverty and decadence and not the bourgeoisie"
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 No.413510

It doesn't, most people are naturally left leaning
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 No.413515

>>413510
Human nature is a spook and a product of the conditions people find themselves in. No one was born with class consciousness.
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 No.413528

>>413515
the fuck do you mean?
most people's needs are met by the left, so of course they will gravitate towards such policies instead of rightoid odious schizo shit
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 No.413555

>>413416
>you're not a failure because you're a resentful Incel loser
Oh so you're saying they were born that way.
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 No.413578

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>>412824
>Russia? Azov
<doesn't know what Ukraine is
<doesn't know the right-sector hasn't been popular in years
absolute burgerpost. You will never have a foreskin
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 No.414006

>>413088
hello tourist, please lurk more
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 No.414010

The far right presents life and history like a video game.

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