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 No.409309[View All]

Oppose the right-wing campaign against vaccination!
>Under conditions of the global pandemic of a lethal virus, mass vaccination is an elementary requirement of public health and for the self-defense of the working class.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/29/pers-j29.html

As this statement indicates, particularly in its concluding section, there are definite social and historical conditions under which the right-wing and libertarian campaign against vaccination finds an echo within layers of the working class, including its poorest sections. There is ignorance and social backwardness, there is also growing alienation, and tendency to reflexively distrust authority, to make no distinction between the government and the scientists. This feeds a general fatalism. It can only take root in the absence of any class consciousness. As the statement indicates, the struggle is not simply a medical issue. The last few paragraphs here are really crucial.
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 No.411709

>>411704
> Nazis are already in power.
Please go tell /pol/ that and take screen shots of their reaction so I can laugh at you.
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 No.411711

>>411707
It's accelerationist but not strictly Marxist.
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 No.411712

>>411709
/pol/'s run by the CIA.
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 No.411713

>>411701
fascism = the merger of state and corporate power
This is now happening overtly on a global scale
>>411707
>building up the productive forces of your country via the private ownership of the MOP is Marxism guise reeee
Clueless larpxist
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 No.411724

>>411712
Literally any fascist then, I don’t care.
Seeing those dweebs slack jawed reactions when you tell them they are actually in the seat of power would be hilarious.
No, fascism is probably going to be carrying a rainbow flag, a bible, a confederate tattoo, and maybe even a book on critical race theory.
It’s going to be so schizophrenic ideologically that Nazism will seem almost coherent.
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 No.411727

>>411724
All that matters to nazism is
1. Destroying communism.
2. Exterminating the proletariat via slave labour.
3. Ensuring bourgeois rule.
All else is secondary, and the class war ongoing is achieving that.
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 No.411741

>>411713
I know that, but the Nazis were NOT every fascist.
The Nazis were particular to their own time and place.
Whatever is coming next, assuming fascism does make an appearance in the near future, won’t even resemble them because they haven’t got the base of support.
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 No.411747

>>411713
> >building up the productive forces of your country via the private ownership of the MOP is Marxism guise
Absolutely, yes.
It’s the fastest way to do so.
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 No.411757

>>411741
No, the nazis set the model for future.
The only way the bourgeoisie can resolve the class contradictions of capitalism is with mass killing and plunder, like Barbarossa and Generalplan Ost. The so-called "great reset" is just this applied to the working class on a global scale.
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 No.411759

>>411757
I frankly doubt that even if such a scheme was succesful they would be able to resolve the class contradictions of capitalism. You're far too pessimistic.
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 No.411760

>>411741
It's pretty obvious that anon was using nazi in a generic fascist sense
In that sense global fascists are clearly in charge.Given their international reach the superstructure will naturally take a different form over national varients eg multiculti,diversity etc will be encouraged rather than demonized
>>411747
>it's not capitalism when we do it
Coping larpxist
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 No.411762

>>411727
> Ensuring bourgeois rule.
And the best way to do that today isn’t by screaming the 14 words from the loudest platform you can find.
This shit is way more subtle and insidious.
Thinking it’s loud and proud Nazism is incredibly naive.
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 No.411770

>>411747
>Absolutely, yes.
>It’s the FASCIST way to do so.
ftfy
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 No.411771

>>411759
They're planning on doing it. Whether it actually works or not, they know the current state of affairs cannot continue. Profitability is too low, the working class is growing too large and too strong. We grow in spite of them, they've never wanted a healthy and flourishing proletariat. So when they say they want to reduce the population, this is how it will be done.
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 No.411799

>>411760
That’s really dumb, then.
He should have been specific.
There’s way too many radlibs who call everything “Nazi”.
>>411711
Being ruthlessly pragmatic in your approach to establishing socialism is completely in line with historical materialism and Marxism.
Please continue to seethe at the fact you can’t prove me wrong.
>>411770
>muh red fascism
Cringe
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 No.411809

>>411799
>There’s way too many radlibs who call everything “Nazi”.
True enough
>cringe
Not an argument
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 No.411812

>>411809
“REEE RED FASCISM”
Isn’t an argument.
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 No.411814

>>411578
>>411602
I need this discussion to continue as I dont understand how the f the mrna vaccine works.

What so you mean it instructs the immune system to stand down? And if it reduces infection severity, how doesn’t it help? What do you mean it doesnt prevent the spread? Normal immunity doesn’t prevent you from spreading viruses either, you can shed the virus after you already produce antibodies
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 No.411815

>>411812
It isn't.Thankfully I didn't use that argument larpxist
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 No.411816

>>411815
“Larpxist” isn’t an argument either.
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 No.411826

>>411814
The mode of action in the mRNA is as stated
1/instruct the immune system to NOT respond/stand down in the presence of covid viruses
2/produce spike proteins whether you have covid or not
The rationale is as follows
1/dramatic immune responses cause symptoms which can do damage to the patient and assist spread of virus
2/the spike proteins can neutralise the covid virus instead
This fails to account for the following
1/patient now has an immune system that will FOREVERMORE cease to respond to covid viruses incl the flu or future sarss viruses
2/the spike proteins can cause serious side effects eg clots,fertility issues,heart problems
3/ when the covid19 virus mutates - the spike proteins may no longer "fit" ie will be useless ie CONSTANT boosters will be needed perhaps biannually with updated spike protein mRNA commands
4/ "vaxed" people can still catch covid19 and spread it but because they are less likely to show symptoms,they are much more likely to spread it and will have a higher viral load without being aware of it.This could actually assist the virus in producing deadlier strains rather than vice versa as normally happens with viruses.
Whoever thought this was a good idea should be taken out and publicly shot.
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 No.411828

>>411816
it's a fact, as well as you being a retard and a faggot
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 No.411831

>>411826
it is always mind blowing with how much confident a retard without the slightest idea what he's talking about presents his nonsense
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 No.411832

>>411828
seethe
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 No.411833

>>411831
None of this is refuted
This is exactly the mode of action as described by the mRNA therapy pushers themselves ie big pharma
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 No.411855

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>>411693
>China isn't "bad" but it isnt marxist
<Meanwhile in china
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 No.411857

>>411855
>The Democratic Republic of Congo is democratic
>It says so in the name
Form vs content fallacy
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 No.411875

>>411857
>The Congo isn't democratic despite claiming it is
>Therefore the chinese aren't Marxist because the Chinese make a big deal of being Marxist even if they are actually Marxist, and this just a sign of that
Fallacy fallacy.
Checkmate
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 No.411884

>>411875
>Marxism - seizing/socializing the MOP
>Capitalism - MOP in private hands and commodity production for profit
>China - places MOP in private hands and institutes commodity production for profit
>You - China is still marxist guise.They have a red flag and nice pic of Marx in their big government meeting room
Cope
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 No.411900

https://archive.is/https://leftypol.org/*
which one of you autists archived this thread like 30 times?
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 No.411907

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>>411884
>Seize the means of production
>realize you need to institute reforms to rapidly increase the productive forces of your country in order to do global trade.
>Do just that; capitalist are kept on a leash by the party and your economy begins to boom while keeping 60 percent of your enterprise entirely collectively owned by the party.
>After absorbing foreign capital and gaining increasingly advanced technology, the largest capitalist hegemonic country is now on its back leg and your country is slowly reversing the Dengist reforms under Xi Jinping.
<all of this successful Marxism is negated because a radlib tween called your entire country a anti-Marxist LARP.
cringe, fam
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 No.411917

>>411907
> in order to do global trade.
Why should a marxist state need global trade?
>capitalist are kept on a leash by the party
So Fascism in theory and practise.
>slowly reversing the Dengist reforms under Xi Jinping.
Kek
>a radlib tween called your entire country a anti-Marxist LARP
Projection and bigly cope
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 No.411923

>>411900
this is important stuff, anon
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 No.411965

>>411917
>Why should a marxist state need global trade?
uygha have you seen what an embargo can do to a country?
>So Fascism in theory and practise.
When did the fascist keep the bourgs on a leash?
>Projection and bigly cope
You've been absolutely btfo and can't even form a response.
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 No.411969

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>>411917
>Why should a marxist state need global trade?
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 No.411973

>>411965
by party membership
the leash part is a joke however, just as it is in china
a communist party with capitalist membership and a "peoples democracy" or whatever dumb shit mao cooked up is just capitalism with extra steps
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 No.412058

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>>411973
>the leash part is a joke however, just as it is in china
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 No.412064

>>412058
the soviet union collectivized aside from putting kulaks in the gulags
what is china doing to rid itself of the material conditions that creates billionairs?
they make them party members and guarantee their private property
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 No.412105

>>412058
>creating billionaires to kill them
based?????
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 No.412212

>>411799
The forces of production have been built under literally every format of social organization, what are you talking about?
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 No.412217

>>409553

you still have a 5-10% chance of getting permanent bodily damage even if you are a young 20 something.

You could also infect others who aren't as immune as you.
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 No.412303

I'm not taking any proprietary vaccines.
I'll wait for GNU/Vaccines that respects my freedoms.
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 No.412348

>>412303
you make cheap jokes, but could you imagine how much more effective the worlds anti virus response would have been with in a free open source paradigm. So much vaccine production capacity is on idle because they are blocked by proprietary licenses.
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 No.412564

>vax bad
>effectively applied lockdowns bad
>barely any complaints about the vaccine patents the bourgies won't for poorer places waive
This place sure went down the gutter recently.

>global trade is capitalist
Yeah, it's not like the DPRK and Cuba have desperately tried to lift the blockades that prevent them from trade, and it's not like trade is why small or third world are able to develop quickly and skip a few of the egregious parts of regular industrialization or somethin'.

sage
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 No.413297

>>412564
Merging bunker and org turned out to be an awful idea, the quality has taken a serious dive ever since. Splitting the community between the retards and quality posters turned out to be a blessing in disguise all along, one the jannies threw away.
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 No.413339

>>412564
>Yeah, it's not like the DPRK and Cuba have desperately tried to lift the blockades that prevent them from trade, and it's not like trade is why small or third world are able to develop quickly and skip a few of the egregious parts of regular industrialization or somethin'.

>hates porkies
>hates liberalism
<advocates for porkies trading with north korea and Cuba
glowies being glowies
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 No.413417

>>413339
Cuba and the DPRK are both trying to get their embargos lifted so….
Who is glowing?
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 No.413501

>>412058
>Executes 14 billionaires in 8 years
And allows hundreds of them to exploit dirt-poor workers on 12h shifts.
And you parade this as victory.
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 No.414041

This virus needs to kill as many as possible. Save the forests. Save the climate. Save the tiger. Save the cod. Save the salmon. Kill the plague of civilized bipeds poisoning this world.
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 No.414051

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>>414041
>This virus needs to kill as many as possible
Aight, you go first. We'll follow your example we promise.

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