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 No.401545[Last 50 Posts]

This was the first gay pride parade I have witnessed in person (I didn't participate, but I've watched them march for 40 minutes before me), and I would like to share with you my overall analysis.

In terms of participation this was a historical record, since the Fidesz government recently passed a law that bars "homosexual/pedo" education or videos, etc. to be thought (in schools) or broadcast (on TV, radio) "targeted" at those under 18. (Obviously the government's ulterior motive is to paint gays as pedos and vica versa, while using this as their nth fake anti-EU crusade.)

Having witnessed the parade and reading every flag and sign carried, listening to every music that was being pumped out from vans, I have the following assessment to share. Capital city (Budapest) gays (&co.) are overwhelmingly pro-(neo)liberals, for a single reason: they give them crumbs and ultimately meaningless gestures when in opposition or in government.

This leads me to my observations:

1. capital city gays, while good intentioned, literally have no idea how politics and economics in general works. When their preferred parties are in power, severe austerity measures are pushed on the broadest stratum of the population, while they get some mild recognition (allowing male-male couples to adopt, for example). So while they are placated by these symbolic gestures, the majority population gets FUCKED in an economic sense. What follows, quite obviously, is the (hard) right gaining more popularity in the process, and they – as a bonus – receive a political boogeyman (gays) to hate upon, and to push blame onto, allowing the right to escape actual economic policies to be discussed, since "what corrupted >>us<< was the gay lobby, etc."…

2. When the first Gay Pride marches were organized in Hungary's capital (nineties), the participators were waaay more antagonistic and iconoclastic in their endeavour. Some people had dildos on their foreheads, some people used dildos to 'thrust' the "Holy" Bible, some were openly portraying their BDSM costume when marching, and so on. Quite obviously, this all ended up as rage-fuel for the hard right, who used these pictures as "proof" of how "deranged" and "abnormal" these people were. Jump to this exact event, and we see far less people in the gay pride march using such "symbolism" fetishism openly displayed. If you ask me, my approximation is that out of a 100 protesters 10 were openly "narcissistic/fetishistic/over-sexualized" in the 90's, while today the proportion dropped to like 1 protester out of 1000…

2.1. Still, this literally doesn't matter from the extreme right's POV, because they have their photographers on scene, and they will always focus on and publish the ""most degenerate"" participants, regardless of proportions. While I saw like 30 (or so) buckle-up naked male gays out of… 2k protesters, the right-wing's media coverage will focus on "that" minority, emphasizing how they are "corrupting the children" and so on.

3. From (2.) & (2.1.) I wonder about the actual political and organizational ideology of the official organizers of this parade. My impression is that they literally don't care about "optics". For sure, they made progress, regarding being less and less anti-"""normalcy""" (in Hungarian standards), but they don't have a central leadership that could openly declare, for example: "BDSM/Furry shit is not allowed. You can have your OWN and SEPARATE events if you'd like, but don't taint our march with your FETISH, because being gay/lesbian/bisexual ISN'T ONE!"

4. I was able to speak with a pub-going company of 6 gay dudes, 2 weeks before this march happened. I talked to them about the economic fact that Hungary's participation in the EU is a net loss to this country's economy (meaning: we get less in EU funds than how much profit the international [mainly GER, FRA] companies get out from the country in profits) and their response was a blasé "well, idgaf" style of response. Sadly, these people have completely swallowed the "EU is pro-gay, while Hungary is anti-gay" pill, and therefore they uncritically support the former, disregarding what is said in (1.).

5. As you could see from the above the "capital city vs. rest of the country" dichotomy is really obviously detectable. For an average LGBT person in a rural area in our country their "number one problem" isn't about "not being socially accepted," but them working on starvation wages. The capital city LGBT shit is literally the "revolt of the middle-to-upper-middle-class" who couldn't give a single fucking shit about the ECONOMIC perspectives of a gay dude living in a village of 50 people.

6. And possibly most importantly, there is a LEGITIMATE feeling among the broad populace that this (forgive me) "LGBT SHIT" is "being imported from the outside," which goes to ALL ex-socialist countries, since it is literally what fucking happened. Sure, you can criticize ex-AES [Actually Existing Socialism] countries all you want for their positions on LGBT [btw, counter examples: Cuba, GDR, China], but you can NOT excuse them for copy-pasting the anglo-saxon model of LGBT shit and forcing it on the population, via foreign NGO's. If you didn't figure this out yet: most "Eastern-European" ex-soc countries have a population that suffered deeply from the injustices of the regime change, moving these countries from socialism to capitalism, and most of them view this as an example of "foreign interference" (which is, to an extent, justified – e.g. Viktor Orbán, and several Fidesz members literally participated in a George Soros funded education in the West).

7. Finally, to speak openly as a communist, what we see here is the problem of a legitimate movement (LGBT) due to their inability to acclimatize to the conditions on the ground. Speeches about (abstract) "human rights" and how we should meet those expectations, are for morons. Every communist knows that you should start on the ground with what you have, and NOT with something defined and implemented 3000 miles away. To make my country, Hungary, a pro-LGBT one, you need to reinvent not just social discourse as such, not just the structure of the media apparatus, but the very culture the "normies" will listen to.

I'm ready to answer your questions and respond to your criticisms.

P.s. the fact that the ongoing Olympics now allows "M2F transpeople" to participate brings the conservative governments on the side of actual feminism and scientific facts. If you, as a "lefty" don't wish to address this, you are hopeless.
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 No.401551

Gay parades are meaningless performance. The Ukrainian fascist junta allows them. The home of world imperialism the USA allows them.
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 No.401553

What's Marxist about being gay?
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 No.401556

>>401551
thank you for your participation, please go back to ranting about the "fascist COVID injections," retard
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 No.401557

csd was a riot fuck off lib faggot
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 No.401558

Gays and troons and that kind of people only matter if they're revolutionaries willing to overthrow capitalism.

No one really cares about their positions except themselves ofc.
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 No.401560

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 No.401561

>>401556
Calm your tits, faggot
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 No.401562

>>401551
The US also has many politicians that are anti-lockdown, should we support lockdowns now? Caught you in your own trap!
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 No.401563

>7 responses
>all off-topic
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 No.401565

>>401556
You're welcome. Take it Hungarian "communists" don't care about worldwide lockdowns, plunder, mass suicides among the working class, even among children, the planned health pass/digital ID being announced simultaneously across Europe (except Belarus) either eh? Seems old Thuermer is slacking.
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 No.401567

>>401565
take your off-topic obsession to the relevant threads
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 No.401569

>>401562
Politicians don't actually rule capitalist countries, the billionaire capitalists like Bill Gates do, who are for lockdowns. Even then most politicians are dutifully enforcing it.
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 No.401572

>I went to observe the queers like a nature documentarian and found out they're mostly normies with entirely normie, generally disinterested, and apolitical beliefs with the sole exception of wanting they're being denied rights extended to them and thus inclined to support whoever can most reliably promise them those
fascinating, this is a breakthrough for /leftypol/ though on the lgbt-question
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 No.401575

>>401567
You brought covid up.
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 No.401577

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>>401573
>Homosexuality is incompatible with socialism
oh, no, Cubans! What are you doing!?
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 No.401583

>>401575
And you are an insufferable moron who only posts under the "Lenin hat" flag when you push your Covid shit.
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 No.401587

>>401583
I always use the Lenin Hat. Whether it's in leftybritpol, the Moscow trials thread, whatever.
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 No.401589

>>401577
>radlib adventurism is now socialism
The absolute state of homos
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 No.401591

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>>401573
>Homosexuality is incompatible with socialism
CHAYNAH
STAHP
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 No.401593

>>401588
>>401589
t. /pol/ tourists LARPing as “fellow comrades”. Kek it’s literally an AP news article to make Cuba look bad and you’re believing it to promote your reactionary agenda.
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 No.401594

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 No.401600

>>401591
Okay Dengist
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 No.401601

>>401594
God forbid they be banned! That would be against the FREE SPEECH mandatum that never happened on leftypol.
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 No.401603

>>401588
Fidel closed those camps after finding out and investigating them and issued heartfelt apology for the abuses. LGBT rights in Cuba were pushed by Raul and Mariela Castro and are very good. Cope more.
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 No.401604

>>401600
>>401595
>/pol/

where are the mods?
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 No.401605

>>401593
Are you trolling? Fidel has admitted to putting gays in camps and everyone knows about the living locations for Aids patients in Cuba.
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 No.401608

>>401605
t. CIA
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 No.401611

>>401605
>In his autobiography My Life, Fidel Castro criticized the machismo culture of Cuba and urged for the acceptance of homosexuality. He made several speeches to the public regarding discrimination against homosexuals.

>In a 2010 interview with Mexican newspaper La Jornada, Castro called the persecution of homosexuals while he was in power "a great injustice, great injustice!" Taking responsibility for the persecution, he said, "If anyone is responsible, it's me…. We had so many and such terrible problems, problems of life or death. In those moments, I was not able to deal with that matter [of homosexuals]. I found myself immersed, principally, in the Crisis of October, in the war, in policy questions." Castro personally said that the negative treatment of gays in Cuba arose out of the country's pre-revolutionary attitudes toward homosexuality.[37]

You are not on /pol/. We facts here.
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 No.401614

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>>401604
??? Are you stupid or something. China knows how lgbt is used against them

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1221182.shtml

It's a western tool to destabilize that's it's purpose
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 No.401618

>>401612
>under Stalin's Russia you MIGHT get gulage'd for being a homo
>under the same period in the UK, you get chemically castrated
jeez
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 No.401619

This thread proves that the redirect was a mistake.
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 No.401620

>>401614
>source: CIA
I am now convinced
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 No.401622

>>401620
Global times is china state news. How new are you dude?
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 No.401624

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>Stop, Mariela, what are you doing?
>Mariela!
>Mariela you're destroying socialism!
>MARIELLAAAAAAA
>
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 No.401625

FACTS:

MODERN DAY MLs, LIKE CUBA, CHINA, VIETNAM, ETC. ALLOW GAY SHIT.

FACT: MODERN DAY "BEARD-TUBERS" ALL ARE PRO-GAYS.

>/pol/ morons:

<NOOO!!! YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KILLED THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM!!

1. fuck off
2. read a book
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 No.401626

>>401614
>Fortunately, this kind of practice is unable to cause a significant impact or escalate into a massive color revolution, since with the modernization and development of China, the majority of Chinese netizens are able to discuss these issues with a mature and reasonable attitude, and legal civil organizations on LGBT or environment protection will distance themselves from hostile foreign intervention, the expert said
Do Bunkerchan migrants not know how to read?
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 No.401627

>>401624
IT'S OGRE!

SOCIALISM IS OGRE!!!

AS MARX SAID:
"YOU CAN'T HAVE SOCIALISM WITH GAYFAGS!!"

*hurr & durr**
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 No.401628

>>401625
Yeah exactly, Joe Biden drinks, so is it anti-imperialist to die of dehydration now?
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 No.401633

>>401628
>Joe Biden
This is a communist board. Who the fuck even gives a shit about senile Joe Biden? Can you be at least less apparent in your not belonging here appearance?

>>401629

>I'm actually a communist unlike the liberals here wanting gay color revolutions
yeah, reported
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 No.401634

>>401633
Enjoy your gay hong Kong protest. They will always fail liberal
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 No.401639

>>401633
>This is a communist board. Who the fuck even gives a shit about senile Joe Biden? Can you be at least less apparent in your not belonging here appearance?
Nah dude, I was agreeing with you and mocking the anti-LBGT rightoid.
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 No.401642

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>>401545
>P.s. the fact that the ongoing Olympics now allows "M2F transpeople" to participate brings the conservative governments on the side of actual feminism and scientific facts. If you, as a "lefty" don't wish to address this, you are hopeless.
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 No.401645

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>>401642
>who the hell cares
pretty much anyone who took Biology 101…

But then again, we could take out "scientific" out of "scientific socialism" so that we may placate your sensibilities… NOT!
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 No.401650

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>AES [Actually Existing Socialism]
rofl
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 No.401651

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Social issues are just a means for the ruling class to distract away from class issues
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 No.401655

>>401651
take your infographs back to /pol/ loser
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 No.401656

>>401655
fuck off liberal
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 No.401657

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 No.401658

>>401655
Fuck off vaushite
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 No.401661

>>401657
<dumping IDpol makes porky happy
wrong
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 No.401662

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 No.401663

>>401657
Lol nothing porky fears more than dumping idpol.

They spend billions on orgs to fund it
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 No.401664

>>401545
>P.s. the fact that the ongoing Olympics now allows "M2F transpeople" to participate brings the conservative governments on the side of actual feminism and scientific facts. If you, as a "lefty" don't wish to address this, you are hopeless.
what does that mean exactly?
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 No.401665

interesting post, thanks OP. in my city (NYC) you could already see this trend happening even before Occupy Wall Street. the movement that was spurred on by Stonewall was genuinely a grassroots movement, but IMO the gradual urban acceptance of gays and lesbians led to bourgeois gays benefitting the most. before the grassroots, working class LGBT movement, in burgerland your average Christfag or porky gay man was LARPing as a hot blooded American who loves titties and ass. being a semi-open gay banker in the 80's was a sure ticket to never being promoted.

then again, i don't really care about it as a political issue. oh, it's scaring socially conservative workers? you can find just as many workers who don't care or are accepting. in my country at least, socialism is still a big boogeyman and tying homosexuality to capitalism doesn't necessarily make people soured on capitalism. in fact, for some it might reinforce their support for capitalism as a progressive force.

i'm not gay though, so i can't speak for their ccmmunity. but i'd be interested to hear if there's a big class conflict within the community. after all, it's kinda fucked up for some Wall Street banker to benefit more than the kinds of kids who rioted at Stonewall.
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 No.401666

>>401657
Based, don’t break alliances with people just because they have beliefs on social issues you don’t 100% line up with.
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 No.401667

>>401666

samefag
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 No.401668

>>401663
>Oppressing fellow members of the working class to own the libs
You do know that gay and brown ppl can be a part of the working class too, right? They also have struggles unique to them as well.
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 No.401671

>>401650
>as opposed to leftcom/anarcho few-months long "success stories"
shit, I'm convinced. How do I join your "winning" team?
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 No.401672

Is transitioning your gender without having to go to a court compatible with socialism?
Is civil marriage of LGBT people compatible with socialism?
Is adopting kids by LGBT couples compatible with socialism?
Is issuing criminal offences for discrimination of LGBT people compatible with socialism?
Is LGBT curriculum in schools compatible with socialism?
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 No.401675

>>401667
Shut up faggot.
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 No.401676

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>>401657
i'd say in a lot of places the bourgeois have successfully integrated idpol movements into their corporate structure and have rendered these minority groups into just more demographics to market to any aspect of radicalism in pride is basically gone and all thats left is a weird hookup/drug culture with some corporate advertising nonsense
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 No.401677

tldr: fags in urban areas who copied anglo saxon capitalist western faggotry are mostly retarded and degenerate pro capitalist EU cucks
>>401651
This.
>>401657
Retard.
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 No.401678

>>401668
<I can't counter any of your points so I need to make up things you said and argue against that

<Oppressing fellow members of the working class to own the libs

no one is doing this you're making things up

>you do know that gay and brown ppl can be a part of the working class too, right

no one is thating the opposite try again
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 No.401679

>>401675
mask off eh pol?
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 No.401681

>>401672
No, none of it is
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 No.401683

>>401675
>faggot
Yikes
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 No.401684

>>401679
Nah chill I’m not a false-flagger.
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 No.401686

>>401684
hi pol
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 No.401688

Yeah after 50 years of calling it bourgeois decadence, it is really not surprising that gay people overwhelmingly support the only faction that, while actually not giving a single shit about them, at least don't criminalize their very existence.
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 No.401689

>>401668
You just said it yourself.
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 No.401690

>>401664
Mind you, this is the first honest question in this thread. The Olympic CEOs established that M2F persons should have a certain amount of testosterone in their blood samples to participate. Mind you, the actual level they set this is 10x ABOVE the average (biological) female testosterone levels.

Which means that the M2W people joining the Olympics can have 10x the reflexes as that of biological females against whom they will be competing.

But worst, if you went through puberty as a male, your heart, lungs, bones, and muscles will be bigger, harder, more efficient. (Again: BIO101 – which is to say, science 101).

So basically: fuck women, cut libshit.
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 No.401691

>>401679
>>401684 (me)
For some reason I see comments as black (you)s but the green (you)s aren’t showing up on my posts.
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 No.401694

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>>401671
>LARPing child wearing on their shoulder a defunct government from a century ago that never even achieved socialism because they beat up some bad people they don't know and will never know
>accusing others of childish tribal mentality
This just keeps getting better and better.
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 No.401700

>>401693
yes
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 No.401701

>>401665
Thanks for your post for being on-topic.

>then again, i don't really care about it as a political issue. oh, it's scaring socially conservative workers?

Yeah, here's the thing. "BDSM/Furry" gay pride participants will never be accepted as just "LGBT" people, exactly because they are fetishists.

>for some it might reinforce their support for capitalism as a progressive force.

And by "some" here we mean like 30% (at most) of the population, while the majority population will focus on BDSM fetishists, which has NOTHING to do with being gay, since even heteros can be BDSM.
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 No.401709

I think this is a fair analysis, but this is like that other central europe anon who talked way back when about two radlibs in their country who either ended up working with liberal NGOs or making youtube videos and discovering, once they made videos about the gypsies and co, that their viewers were actually pretty racist.
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 No.401710

>>401668
>They also have struggles unique to them as well.
With this you just openly proclaim that there are "struggles" beyond/aside the CLASS STRUGGLE (which is supposedly the ONLY source of historical change – if you are a communist proper), so I have no idea where you are coming from.

Are you even at 101 read on basic communist issues, dog?
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 No.401712

>>401672
>Is BANANA compatible with SOCIALISM
gee
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 No.401713

Reminder that capitalism is a progressive force of history. It got rid of many delusions, like the divine right of kings, aristocracy, and other inheritable privileges, and is right now slowly dismantling racism, sexism, the patriarchy and homophobia. This is the march of history, and people who are against it are reactionaries.
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 No.401715

>>401710
With the amount of people here calling gay people degenerates and conservative "socialists" being free to spew their verbal pol diarrhea, I'd say yeah they do have struggles unique to them.
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 No.401717

>>401713
Extremely liberal and retarded response
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 No.401718

>>401677
It’s more like adopting libshit values because le EU is supposedly okay with gays. Which distracts from the fact that they still treat you and your country like their piggy bank.
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 No.401719

>>401713
wrong
capitalism is a progressive force against feudalism but a reactionary force against socialism
social politics are tools of the ruling class used to distract from class politics
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 No.401720

>>401715
How was vaushs last video I missed it
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 No.401722

>>401719
>>401717
Read any book retards.
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 No.401724

>>401720
Who's vaush
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 No.401726

>>401722
make a counter argument retard you seem butthurt no one likes your liberalism
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 No.401729

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>>401724
>who’s vaush?
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 No.401730

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In communism we will no longer have separate bathrooms, and men and women and others will pee in front of each other into one trough, just to spite OP.
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 No.401731

>>401730
stupidpol
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 No.401733

>>401715
But then again, my retarded "an"com friend, what if TOTAL AUTHORITARIAN FORCE should be applied to these degenerates, so that you wouldn't have a single thing to complain about?

Ever thought about that?

Because for me this is a no-brainer: RE-EDUCATE/GULAG the fucking reactionaries and see their numbers dwindle.

What is your counter proposal, again? A tickling contest?

If so, who is taking the "reactionary threat" seriously here: you, or me?
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 No.401734

>>401726
A counter to what, your empty whining? Here you go: "no u"
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 No.401739

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>>401733
4got pic
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 No.401740

>>401734
all you've been doing is whining do you have anything of substance or no?
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 No.401741

>>401740
I already posted it.
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 No.401742

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Uh… So.
You know how communist parties have like some type of feministic organization which is made in order to have women's perspectives inside of the party, in order to have womens had a voice to speak to the party about specific female problems, be it mysoginy and so on (tbh I'm not that informed about this).
Why not do this with the LGBT folk? Doing so not only makes it so you have, inside of your party, an LGBT perspective, but it also gives you an army in order to battle Glowy grifters and so on.
Tbh feminism and the LGBT movement, seen from an outside and strategic viewpoint, are pretty similar. Opressed groups that want to get more freedom from such opression being done not by the state (while it can be), but also the culture itself.
Also, the fact that burger """""""culture""""" is so widespread also has made it more difficult all of this.
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 No.401744

>Thread starts out by starting that many of these specific protesters are afflicted with political illiteracy, but even then aren't like what the right portrays them as
>Thread devolves into whether or not LGBT people are inherently socialist or not, and if they should be permitted in a socialist society
I'm smelling falseflags and samefagging all across this thread.
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 No.401745

>>401744
same here
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 No.401747

>>401741
so no just whining? got it
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 No.401749

>>401715
There's a literal 800 post thread about posting "bisexual" porn on the leftypol_archive board.
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 No.401750

>>401744
>>Thread devolves into whether or not LGBT people are inherently socialist or not, and if they should be permitted in a socialist society
Yeah sorry, in trying to argue with the false-flaggers and samefaggers, I’ve contributed to it.
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 No.401752

>>401742
>comparing the female sex (approx. 50% of human population, which was historically oppressed)
to
>5% of the population who are not heterosexual
geez, are you retarded yourself, or do you take US to be retarded?

answer, plz
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 No.401753

>>401749
>a few anons dumping porn means the 800 million others calling LGBT bourgeois degeneracy don't exist
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 No.401754

>>401752
I get the sense that you’re lacking pussy.
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 No.401755

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 No.401760

>>401754
I'm the OP of >>394172
take another guess
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 No.401762

>>401715
How do Gay and trans people experience oppression. They do experience it, but mostly in, what, employment discrimination, housing discrimination, maybe the cops? How is that not congruent with class struggle?
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 No.401763

>>401760
Yeah I’m calling you a simp, incels who spend all day hating on women and people like you who put cis women on a pedestal are two sides of the same coin lmao.
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 No.401764

>>401762
idk but blue check marks and LGBT friendly corporations tell me so
so it much be true right?
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 No.401765

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>>401545
I think this is a really good post and it's a very objective look at the situation. I'm gay myself and I can see the contradictions working themselves out. This is much better than arguing over positions on this or that, or moralizing over whether LGBT people can be "socialist" or not, which doesn't matter a whole lot if there's no communist party. This process exists with or without our input.

What's also interesting is that the opposition coalition has apparently been leading Fidesz in the polls? Or roughly even. The opposition includes center-left parties, but also Jobbik, which was a more openly fascist party but has modified their politics? It's very strange to think about that. Strange bedfellows.

Then I see the E.U. bosses telling Orban that if he doesn't like LGBT people, to get the hell out of the E.U., so Orban could try, but I have a feeling that maybe these E.U. bosses know he won't do that, or can't do that, they have him caught in their web. He said last year, after Brexit, that "we can't afford to follow that track" because the Hungarian economy is so integrated into the rest of the bloc. When the "right-wing populist" or whatever guy who is a proud Hungarian nationalist says that's not going to work, well, you don't have any cards to play. They called his bluff. Hungary is surrounded by E.U. member states with the exception of Serbia and Ukraine, and Serbia could join in a few years (the process is underway?).

I'm on the other side of the ocean so I can't really weigh in more than that. The E.U. is a banker's bloc. But an independent "national socialist" road (not that kind of national socialism) out of the European Union doesn't seem workable. No single country would be able to survive. In Britain, Brexit seems like a catastrophe for them, but on the plus side, it's accelerating Irish reunification, since they had to move the customs border into the Irish Sea, which means economically that Northern Ireland is now part of the Republic of Ireland while still being politically part of the United Kingdom. So what happens when the economic base shifts but the political superstructure stays the same? Doesn't the political superstructure follow the base? Eventually it does, right?

>The capital city LGBT shit is literally the "revolt of the middle-to-upper-middle-class" who couldn't give a single fucking shit about the ECONOMIC perspectives of a gay dude living in a village of 50 people.

Back when the Democratic Party primaries were happening here, I was at a gay bar with some friends, and the bar had one of the "debates" showing on a T.V., and my friends liked Bernie Sanders, but we stared talking to this Italian guy who liked Pete Buttigieg. He's like the champion of middle-to-upper-middle-class gays and is now the Secretary of Transportation. He was the favored candidate of professional urban gay men. And this guy was like "well, in Italy, the universities are free and so on" (I don't know how true that is) "but the economy sucks, while here in the U.S., you don't need a college education, really, to be successful. You can easily start a business" and blah blah blah. And he worked as an interior designer for rich people, and he probably made pretty good money. He just had this "hustle" mentality, just like probably a lot of immigrants that come to the U.S. and believe in working hard to be successful. And it's like, well, you can't really argue with him, if it's working out for him.

>>401718
Maybe the equivalent here in the U.S. is the choice between working for Walmart which just doesn't care about this stuff, or will even pander to you, and the "small business owner" (i.e. local gentry) who owns the supermarket that Walmart replaced and posts on /pol/
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 No.401766

>>401762
No one says it isn't congruent with class struggle, but there seems to be an abundance of retards who think these struggles don't exist partly because of their identity and will actively go out of their way to call it bourgeois degeneracy that needs to be excised.
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 No.401768

>>401651
Correct

>>401657
Kys liberal. Class first or GTFO.
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 No.401769

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 No.401770

>>401766
Retard anarchists don't understand dialectics

social problems are a result of the economic mode of production, the base
with the abolition of capitalism so too will the ills of capitalism be abolished
Therefore clamoring for social change without advocating for the abolition of capitalism, which is what current IDpol is doing. Is at best redundant and at worse at worse a tool of the bourgeois used to distract from class issues
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 No.401771

>>401762
>hOw Do GaYs aNd TrAnS pPl ExPeRiEnCe OpPrEsSiOn
Uhm, idk, among class lines, lol? A trans person who is working 2-3 jobs in burgerland to merely stay afloat economically is oppressed and exploited as fuck, while the upper-middle class trans person who has its own T-Shirt shop and patreaon account isn't oppressed or exploited at all, since they are literal petit-bourgeois?

lol
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 No.401772

>>401769
Hungary sides with china*
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 No.401778

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'BLOCKS YOUR PATH
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 No.401779

>>401765
thank you very much for your honest contribution, comrade
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 No.401780

>>401778
cute sign but protests don't do anything sorry
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 No.401781

>>401752
Are you implying that gay people haven't been opressed? Does them being less percentage of the population make them less opressed? Jews were about 2% of Nazi Germany, were they less oppressed than german women cause german women were 49% of the population?
Who cares if they're less numerically than the female sex? Does that make their struggle to not get beaten at the streets for doing something no one is being damaged for, not opression?
>B-b-but the greeks!
Yeah, the ancient greeks, a society which existed 2700 years ago.
>B-b-b-but the romans!
The romans had a sexual perspective that is alien to us, to put an example, getting fucked by a guy is less gay than sucking a vagina.
Also: a group who has been opressed for longer =! More opressed than other group.

Even then, what matters i what is happening right now, and the gay folks are suffering for their identity all over the world, be it cause some reactionary fucks beat the fuck out of them till killing them or just straight out being executed for them wanting to get fucked in the ass by another guy or having a girl eat her pussy.
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 No.401783

>>401778
Here are my people. George Michael too at the time and he was young communist at one point and his parents were Greek commies.
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 No.401784

>>401771
I’m saying that even the idpol “LGBTQ” discrimination thing is manifest in economic forms that have some latent class character. I agree with the OP’s general analysis and think that people trying to make some special sort of lgbt rights thing independent of class miss the point.
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 No.401785

>>401781

lol good
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 No.401786

>>401769
>Orban refuses to bend the knee to EU
<By letting Hungary be a literal workforce reservoir for Germany and having his people work 10 hour workdays

Truly anti-EU.
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 No.401789

>>401769
>Hungary aides with china. That's why they get so much pressure and insults from western media
Lol. Even if so, it is not in the interest of EU-based multinational corporations for Hungary to leave the EU, because they would shit ton of profits.

>Western media HATES china getting power

true, but mostly off topic

>They want to color revolution orban

Orbán's getting into power was always already a color revolution of sorts back in the 90's.
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 No.401791

>>401769
It just show, both sides benefit from looking as if they are acting though against the other, but at the end of the day Hungary is giving too much cheap labour to the EU to just kick it out and on the other side Hungary's whole economy would collapse without the EU. Orbán would also run out of money to steal.
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 No.401792

>>401783
and him being a bad musician is suppose to prove something?
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 No.401793

>>401770
>Retard anarchists don't understand dialectics
this is an actual understandable sentence, supposedly
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 No.401794

>>401780
They organised mutual aid for miners and their families in Wales. THey wer als lead by a member of the CPGB.
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 No.401795

>>401794
but how did their revolution go? have they established socialism yet? no?
ok they did fuck all then
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 No.401796

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>>401778
cool, now get back to work
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 No.401798

To actually get back to the topic OP, what do you think the outcome of the pride movement in Hungary? Does it have a chance of legitimately challenging Orban or nah ?
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 No.401800

>>401795
>>401796
Fren, why so angry about gays?
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 No.401810

>>401800
He’s a crypto /pol/yp.
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 No.401812

>>401577
Getting infiltrated and subverted.
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 No.401814

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>>401796
>Yes, porky becoming lgbt friendly one month every year means they completely support the gays and not that they do this in order to sell more.
2/10 made me respond.
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 No.401816

>>401800
why can't you answer the question?
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 No.401818

>>401810
<everyone I don't like is pol
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 No.401820

>>401800
i'm not, i just don't think being gay has any sort of revolutionary meaning and i'm sick of people pretending it does
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 No.401821

>>401814
you're arguing against a point no one has made retard
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 No.401822

>>401792
Well George Michael who was a member of the Young Communist League was also one of the first Western pop stars to perform in China in the 80s during the opening up and is beloved by millions of Chinese communists so you just got owned bitch

>>401786
>>401789
Well that's the thing, Orban is the neoliberal Color Revolution guy from the 90s. But he can say "I will defend Hungary's culture" and get votes that way, but his job the whole time has been to ease Hungary's transition into a European economic bloc, which makes the situation from a long-term perspective look a little differently.

>>401796
Well, yeah. You are a wagie who is going to go back in his cagie because that's what capitalist necessity demands and going on about muh gays is not going to change that.
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 No.401823

>>401814
It's non one month it's non stop now
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 No.401824

>>401816
So because the Miners' Strike failed, we should what exactly?
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 No.401825

>>401822
>Well George Michael who was a member of the Young Communist League was also one of the first Western pop stars to perform in China in the 80s during the opening up and is beloved by millions of Chinese communists so you just got owned bitch

…and?
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 No.401826

>>401778
very based, but sadly a minority position inside this LGBT bullshit

>>401781
>Are you implying that gay people haven't been opressed?
Nope? Where did I even give signs that would leave you with this apprehension? The honest answer is: NOWHERE. This is how self-oppressed you are: when talking to people who are literally on your side, you question whether they are "against you."

Maybe go fuck yourself?

>Does them being less percentage of the population make them less opressed?

Again, who even implied this, you moron?!

>Jews

lol

>the gay folks are suffering for their identity all over the world

If you've read my OP, you would know that my actual on-site report makes your point here moot. A fucking village dweller LGBT person is "more" oppressed than a "capital dwelling" (Budapest) one.

All of this speaks VOLUMES about the capitalist nature or unequal development. While under AES our country (Hungary) used to develop rather equally (since it was mostly a planned economy), now it basically develops among market lines, meaning that capital-inhabiting gays will get like 10-20X the wages of a regular village dwelling gay dude.

Interesing, isn't it? Even though 'official socialism' was 'against' gays, in terms of economics, it was WAY, WAAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAY more egalitarian.

So my question: are you actually crying over capital (Budapest) inhabiting gays who typically hold managerial-tier jobs, or would you be so kind to take into consideration the MASSIVE population of gays in the country side who live by the bootstraps?

Which is to say: do you care for the "most visible" gays, or the "most numerous gay?"

In short: FUCK. YOU.
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 No.401828

>>401824
you tell me, You brought up gay miners and I'm just saying they were irrelevant
and you seem to not counter that.
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 No.401831

>>401784
>the idpol “LGBTQ” discrimination thing is manifest in economic forms
Actual economic data disagree with your assessment. See: http://paulcockshott.co.uk/economics-posts/mirror-of-class-and-the-lgbt-lobby/

>inb4 homophobia

Dude, it's data! NO FUCKING SHIT that a dude will earn more than a women, moreover, NO FUCKING SHIT, that a non-child bearing dude will be WAAAY bet ter off than a "regular" person, moreover, NOO FUCKING SHIT that two non-heterosexual dudes, who don't want to have any kids, are actually WAAAAY better off than """normies."""
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 No.401833

>>401822
>Well that's the thing, Orban is the neoliberal Color Revolution guy from the 90s. But he can say "I will defend Hungary's culture" and get votes that way, but his job the whole time has been to ease Hungary's transition into a European eco
This uygha knows what's up.
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 No.401834

>>401828
>>401828
Was Rosa irrelevant because the Spartacists failed?
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 No.401839

Orban being in power working with china is better than a eu plant who will put forth anti china policies.

Eu knows this and is doing everything they can to remove him
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 No.401840

>>401839
EU likes China
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 No.401841

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>>401781
>Yeah, the ancient greeks, a society which existed 2700 years ago.
Are you saying that greek societies don't exist now?
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 No.401843

>>401840
No they don't.
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 No.401845

>>401839
>Orban being in power working with china is better than a eu plant who will put forth anti china policies.
uhm, okay, i guess?

>Eu knows this and is doing everything they can to remove him

lol, this is where you are drinking EU-koolaid. The EU literally doesn't give a single shit as long as German and French multinational companies can ravage the Hungarian economy.

Are you for real? Have you taken Marxism101?
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 No.401850

>>401826
>>401833
I'm also the gay guy who responded earlier with my thoughts from across the Atlantic. I don't think people have to agree with whatever I say because my standpoint epistemology or whatever but there's a lot of moralizing about this.

"Gay are oppressed all over the world." Well, there is oppression in the world, I've met gay people countries where oppression exists and it's brutal – worse than most people's experiences here I can promise you unless they've been in a war zone or something. But I can promise you the Italian interior decorator I met who was voting for Mayor Pete (a gay men) who is now a U.S. cabinet official are not so oppressed in any meaningful sense.

>>401839
Orban is an E.U. plant you idiot. He's not going to leave the E.U. so it doesn't really matter. And China is a larger trading partner for Germany now than the United States is.
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 No.401851

This entire Hungary/China/EU discourse is literally just “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” bullshit
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 No.401854

>>401834
Rosa is relevant because of her successes . the thing the gay miners lack
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 No.401861

>>401845
They do care. China challenges the eu global hegemony, soft power and economic control.

Any eu nations opening up to them is a disaster for them. How many eu nations can you name that are using china's vaccines? Do you think that's cause it's bad or they want to make sure the citizens don't start supporting the country?

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/China-vaccines-penetrate-East-Europe-amid-shortage-of-Western-jabs

https://fortune.com/2021/04/26/europe-travel-vaccinated-americans-vaccine-us-eu-china/

They won't even recognize Chinese vaccines as acceptable for entry as late as April i don't know if that continues to be policy.

They've also been having ngo protest over china building a university in Hungary
.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/europe/hungary-orban-chinese-fudan-university-intl-cmd/index.html

https://chinaobservers.eu/the-fight-over-fudan-a-chinese-university-in-budapest-sparks-reckoning-for-sino-hungarian-relations/
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 No.401869

>>401850
>>401850
>Orban is a eu plant.

This is qanon tier nonsense. Orban is the leader that has dissented the most from eu. He's opening relations harder than anyone else with china. There's no way you can rationally perceive this as something eu is happy about

He won't even use European vaccines and is having china build universities in his country
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 No.401874

>>401850
>"Gay are oppressed all over the world." Well, there is oppression in the world, I've met gay people countries where oppression exists and it's brutal – worse than most people's experiences here I can promise you unless they've been in a war zone or something. But I can promise you the Italian interior decorator I met who was voting for Mayor Pete (a gay men) who is now a U.S. cabinet official are not so oppressed in any meaningful sense.
Sure, I give all these points to you. But when we are talking about a country (Hungary) where the population is distributed like Capital (1-2mill) vs. rest of the country (9-10mill) which SET will have more gays, in your opinion?

Are you getting my message yet? The "capital (Budapest) gays" constitute TYPICALLY a different stratum – if not class – of people than the rest of the gays in the above mentioned distribution. It should be said, my famalam, that a single city, the capital city, "profited" most from the regime change (socialism -> capitalism) and it was fucking Budapest.

Meanwhile, purely statistically speaking, it was the country-side who lost most from the regime change.

With all of the above: are you going to FETISHIZE the most visible gay people in the capital (who tend to be managerial stratum, lmao), or are you actually going to take into consideration the wast MAJORITY of gay people in the countryside, who have no word whatsoever?
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 No.401878

>>401851
>Hungary/China/EU
nobody is talking about this

thanks for shitting on this thread, m8
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 No.401880

>>401861
<Biden
voote, you scum
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 No.401882

>>401880
Where did you read anything about Biden in my post?
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 No.401883

>>401545
A hozzád hasonló kommunista házalókat elsőként akasztják fel, amikor elhagyjuk az Európai Uniót
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 No.401885

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>>401861
>They do care. China challenges the eu global hegemony, soft power and economic control.
I don't think the Chinese see their relationship with Europe as antagonistic or trying to split it up, or whatever. If Europe has internal divisions, that's a problem for the European Union to resolve.

>>401874
I agree with that I think you know more about Hungary than I do.

>>401883
We're waiting.
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 No.401889

>>401866
>hungary uses chinas vaccine. They get attacked for doing so
In actual reality: Hungary uses EVERY AVAILABLE VACCINE AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET, YOU MORON.

We use Russian.
We use Chinese.
We use American.
We use Israli.

In fact, you fucking drooling moron, we would be using the CUBAN VACCINE too, were it not about the embargo barring them from producing it.

You can say all kinds of nasty shit about "Obán" (and you should), but "vaccine-pragmatism" isn't an actual legit crit, unless of course you are mentally fucking retarded.

sage, cuz totally off topic
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 No.401890

>>401614
>foreign hostile forces are also keen to use issues like LGBT, feminism and environmentalism
See, China thinks environmentalism is incompatible with socialism!
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 No.401893

>>401869
>Orban is the leader that has dissented the most from eu.
Imagine actually believing this shit. Orbán didn't "dissent" from SHIT. That he pushes anti-LGBT/secular/etc. laws means JACK SHIT from the central EU position, since he still allows the Germans and French to extract SHITTON of profits from the country.

You have literally no idea what you are talking about, and you've managed to push inside your anus the official "EU-line" which is as much of surface-level horseshit, as Orbán's line is.

Enjoy being fatally wrong.
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 No.401898

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>>401885
A türelmünknek vannak korlátai
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 No.401900

>Study: Chinese COVID shot may offer elderly poor protection
By HUIZHONG WU and JUSTIN SPIKE
July 23, 2021
FILE - In this April 1, 2021, file photo, vials of COVID-19 vaccines produced by Chinese Sinopharm are seen in the office of general practitioner Gyorgy Teleki in Taplanszentkereszt, Hungary. A new study suggests that a Sinopharm vaccine offers poor protection from COVID-19 among the elderly, raising questions for dozens of countries that have given the Chinese company’s shots to their most vulnerable populations. (Istvan Filep/MTI via AP, File)
BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) — A new study suggests that a Sinopharm vaccine offers poor protection from COVID-19 among the elderly, raising questions for dozens of countries that have given the Chinese company’s shots to their most vulnerable populations.

>A survey of blood samples taken from 450 people in Hungary at least two weeks after their second Sinopharm dose found that 90% under 50 years old developed protective antibodies. But the percentage declined with age, and 50% of those over 80 had none.


>The study by two Hungarian researchers was posted online this week but not yet reviewed by other scientists. Three outside experts said they had no problems with the methodology of the study of the vaccine developed by Sinopharm’s Beijing Institute of Biological Products.


Hungary is literally helping china do vaccine research

https://apnews.com/article/europe-middle-east-business-science-health-4b770731d5995e3bb49a1d8ec63febbd

What other eu nations are doing this???
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 No.401902

>>401883
Egyáltalán képes vagy megfogalmazni, hogy miről beszélsz, hogy állítolagosan kivel/mivel szemben érvelsz?

Úgy is kérdezhetném: te teljesen hülye vagy-e?
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 No.401906

>>401898
The guy with the E.U. flag behind him says we're not going to leave the E.U. because we can't afford it… is going to leave the E.U.
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 No.401908

>>401890
>vid
my sides
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 No.401909

>>401892
uyghur, I have relatives and friends vaccinated by Pfizer, the fuck are you even talking about?
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 No.401911

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 No.401912

>>401911
>lol, look at off-topic shit
'no'
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 No.401913

>>401908
I love the badass shades and then he says "I just came here from the Qilian Mountains to learn… about ecological preservation." That's what a socialist leader should do.
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 No.401916

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 No.401918

>>401912
Buddy if you remove orban you are just going to get a new leader who will make you best friends with usa and fill you up with usa troops and usa culture.

Regime change does not work
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 No.401920

>>401918
Who said that I'm on the "spectrum" of pro- or anti-Orbán, you moron?

>>401916
>China extending its reach
OH NO, COUNTRIES WHO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ARE SUSPECT
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 No.401927

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>>401918
Leninhat at least is trying to look at this somewhat objectively.

But don't you think that's going to happen sooner or later anyways? Viktor Orban is not going to be president forever. Maybe
he holds on for until 2022, maybe another five years after that, or another 10 years. Either way, the Hungarian economy is becoming more and more integrated into the rest of Europe so the political superstructure is going to get rearranged to suit the new economic conditions, and Orban has been shepherding that along the whole time, so you don't have to argue with us about it.

And also under Orban, Hungary has had one of the greatest emigration rates in Europe. He has fulfilled the Smaller Hungary plan. All heil Orban and his glorious, shrinking regime!
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 No.401931

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>>401826
>>401826
>Nope? Where did I even give signs that would leave you with this apprehension? The honest answer is: NOWHERE. This is how self-oppressed you are: when talking to people who are literally on your side, you question whether they are "against you."
Pic related, what did you want to say, actually?

>Maybe go fuck yourself?

Dude calm down, get out of your computer, take some water, and go take a walk for 30 minutes around some park (not using the stale "go touch grass" shit meme, I'm serious, go breath some fresh air, or dunno, if you don't like the touch of the sun then play some minecraft or something, anything you do to chill), then come back to discuss in this mongolian throat singing forum.

>Again, who even implied this, you moron?!

Pic related, why did you even point it out for? I ask you again. Deep breaths, bro.

>If you've read my OP, you would know that my actual on-site report makes your point here moot. A fucking village dweller LGBT person is "more" oppressed than a "capital dwelling" (Budapest) one.

Dude, I know, the OP you made is pretty much perfect. But the same can be said about the feminism thingy, or be it the fight against racism. Of course, a prole gay is going to be more opressed than a gay sub-urbanite with some house at the centre, but that comes from their class situation, not their sexual orientation. But this doesn't mean that people won't beat you up if you're gay just because you have more wealth. Gay proles have the problem of being a prole at the same time of having the problems of being gay, and if you want to defend the lgbt cause, you will have to defend the people who don't care about their prole counterparts, cause they're also gay. Being pro-gay proles and anti-gay porky is trying to be anti-banking but pro-capitalism, it's an oxymoron. There's no gay-porky and gay-prole, there's porkies that are gay as well and proles that happen to be gay.

>All of this speaks VOLUMES about the capitalist nature or unequal development. While under AES our country (Hungary) used to develop rather equally (since it was mostly a planned economy), now it basically develops among market lines, meaning that capital-inhabiting gays will get like 10-20X the wages of a regular village dwelling gay dude.

Yes, but a non-gay capital inhabitant will also get 10-20 times the wages of a regular village dwelling gay.
These problems aren't unique to gays, it applies to everyone, be it female, male, gay, bisexual or left-handed. The problem with gays on Africa isn't that they're starving and first-world gays are not, cause everyone in Africa is starving be it gay or non-gay (yes, I know that Africa is one giant continent and that Morrocco isn't Uganda, I'm generalizing).

>Interesing, isn't it? Even though 'official socialism' was 'against' gays, in terms of economics, it was WAY, WAAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAY more egalitarian

Official socialism was not against gays, and it was way more egalitarian cause it solved the prole problem, not the gay one (and even then, look at Cuba, transgender operations are free) and also, socialist countries legalized, regardless of having more backwater societies on the west, way earlier than the civilized countries. You're only seeing these "Che killed 60.000 homosexuals." (Actual remark I have seen someone say, yeah) cause propaganda can say whatever they want about socialist regimes.

>So my question: are you actually crying over capital (Budapest) inhabiting gays who typically hold managerial-tier jobs, or would you be so kind to take into consideration the MASSIVE population of gays in the country side who live by the bootstraps?

Gonna repeat myself, you can't be against gay porkies for being gay and being pro-gay proles. The gay identity, as any identity, is something independent of someone's social and monetary status.

>Which is to say: do you care for the "most visible" gays, or the "most numerous gay?"

Gonna repeat myself again, if you defend pro-gay rights then, even if you don't want to, you'll defend the "most visible" gays cause you're just defending gay rights, because both of those categories are gay

>In short: FUCK. YOU.

No u.
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 No.401932

>>401931
social liberalism is used by the ruling class to distract from class issues
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 No.401933

>>401932
Indeed.
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 No.401936

>>401932
There's a unity of opposites between social liberalism and Orban-style conservatism. They are opposed but also depend on each other in a dialectical contradiction.
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 No.401938

>>401936
not really.
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 No.401942

>>401927
>troll points: 1/10
Orbán is not anti-EU. Maybe train your reading comprehension.
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 No.401948

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Look how all the top western news outlets celebrate and cheer on these organic protest against the leader who continues to have a friendship with the barbaric china who is killing innocents.

I'm sure they don't want to use protest for something suspicious! They just are giving it coverage because it's wholesome innocent protest and they western media loves supporting that!
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 No.401954

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>>401948
So organic! You'd be crazy to think there is ulterior motive!
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 No.401959

>>401931
>I know, the OP you made is pretty much perfect. But the same can be said about the feminism thingy
You have literally no fucking idea what you are talking about. The AES system was way more feministic than anything came or may come after it.

>Of course, a prole gay is going to be more opressed than a gay sub-urbanite with some house at the centre, but that comes from their class situation, not their sexual orientation.

Completely besides the point. Gay Pride Budapest (our capital city) "represents" like 20% of the total gay population, whose problems are merely that they are legally not recognized. Move to the rest of the 80% of gayfags, and their no.1 problem is that they are starving.

CURIOUS

>this doesn't mean that people won't beat you up if you're gay

Try being gay in the multinational capital, and try being the same in a fucking village. Guess which is more detrimental to your health?!

>Gay proles have the problem of being a prole at the same time of having the problems of being gay

You are intentionally leaving beside the point I raised, namely that capital city dwelling gay tend to be managerial stratum: >>401831

>a non-gay capital inhabitant will also get 10-20 times the wages of a regular village dwelling gay.

Factually incorrect. A "regular" person living in the capital will want to have kids, and will reproduce, and therefore will have WAY lover level of sustenance. Imagine if 2 gay dudes lived together in the capital: it's not just that their combined wages will be way over the national average, it's not just that they will receive higher wages as males, but also that they are living in the capital, working for multi-nat companies for above-average wages. I'm not advocating here for a kind of gay vs. straight war. I'm merely stating statistical facts (see above).

>cause everyone in Africa is starving be it gay or non-gay

A completely different (albeit valid) topic altogether.

>if you defend pro-gay rights

As a communist I oppose "rights" as such. Maybe re-read Marx's critique of Gotha.
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 No.401960

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>>401956
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 No.401961

>>401956
>Going full racist.
>Not including gypsies on the racist mix.
I can smell the burgers you're eating from here.
Can you share? I'm hungry.
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 No.401962

>>401949 (You)
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 No.401963

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 No.401964

>>401887
Falseflagger=/= lpol
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 No.401975

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Reminder that Hungary has massive poverty, but you will never hear about it because they are the "free world".
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 No.401985

>>401977
I never said it didn't fall. But it is still higher than the EU average, I think at least 2 to 5 times the average (depends on the indicators used).
>selective
lol, no go in google street view and simply go through the poorest regions and see all the slums.
Those pictures were taken from google, that on one hand, they hide the results, on the other hand, you can search in Yandex duckgogo or Baidu and you will find more and unique views hidden from google-western users.
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 No.401987

>>401605
This post is glowing like a mfer
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 No.401991

>>401977
oh wow look at the based nationalist capitalist economy, i think we need to change the site to rightypol and finally accept that socialism is btfo by hungarys incredible success
what a beautiful nation
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 No.402000

>>401996
>You: posting articles from the 1980s about conditions in Cuba in the 1960s
>"Look at all this stuff I found!!!"
<Everyone else: This is really relevant to our lives, thank you
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 No.402006

>>402000
The article isn't about Cubas living conditions in any time. It's about the HIV sanitariums that I think that poster didn't know existed
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 No.402013

>>401605
Fidel asked for forgiveness about this shit. Where was McCarthy until his death? Joying and cheering the anti-gay right.
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 No.402014

>>402006
Well, sure, but I don't know what point is going on here. Being gay in the 1980s anywhere in the world was not a super fun time. Look at the United States. Either way, I can promise you that a good number of our friends from /pol/ would immediately lock their windows if they were driving through downtown Havana and looked out the window, even though the country is very safe by U.S. standards.
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 No.402027

>>401948
>>401954
Welp. I despise Orban and their band of neoliberals but objectively speaking, they should prepare for a colour revolution there.

About the OP, it is important to know how Idpol works, and how Brussels and Co. will use it to implant that Eurolovingchip in nations being simply raped by their imperialism. Interesting nontheless.
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 No.402035

>>401996
Cuba used to have backward ideas of gays, oh God, societies are 100 percent not subject to any evolution or development. Societies are just Elvish society where nothing changes for thousands of years. Great materialist analysis.
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 No.402038

>>401977
>Muh statistics
Son, can you go through in detail what the statistics you shat out state and don’t state?
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 No.402043

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>>401938
Yes really.
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 No.402055

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>>401959
>You have literally no fucking idea what you are talking about. The AES system was way more feministic than anything came or may come after it.
Indeed, haven't declared either.

>Completely besides the point. Gay Pride Budapest (our capital city) "represents" like 20% of the total gay population, whose problems are merely that they are legally not recognized. Move to the rest of the 80% of gayfags, and their no.1 problem is that they are starving.

Now that I've noticed, you haven't said shit, not even mentioned the word "prole" or worker. As said, that problem doesn't come from them being gay, but from their class, and even then, pretty much assuming every gay who lives in budapest is a managerial class porky. Also, does Hungary not have a minimun wage or something?

>Try being gay in the multinational capital, and try being the same in a fucking village. Guess which is more detrimental to your health?!

Indeed, smaller towns tend to be more conservative/reactionary, and they could always migrate to the capital and try to find a better paying job there, that's one of capitalism features, and if bankrupt farmers could do it, these people can as well. And even then, moving to the capital means that you will have a job and live in a poor neighborhood.

>You are intentionally leaving beside the point I raised, namely that capital city dwelling gay tend to be managerial stratum: >>401831

I have been searching through the data, and firstly, I would like to add that the studies were made with the presumption that were talking about couples. Of course gay (note, between a man and a man) makes more money than a heterosexual couple, as men get more money than women cause of dysparital salary or directly not working. To put an example, pic related: a gay man (all of this inside of a couple btw), on average, gets 11,70£ (per hour I suppose), a straight man, 10,70£, a lesbian woman, 10,10£, and a straight woman 7,60£ (btw the study was on britain). So this said, 11,70/10,70=1.09, (1.09-1)x100=9%. Gay men recieve 9% more than straight men. Of course, you might ass that heterosexual women get 7,60 cause they might be having a partial time job cause children and so on
But eitherway, i want to ask a question? Why is it that gays have double the degrees of heterosexual men? Well, as said on the study, gay men tend to have about the double university degrees (in fact, more than double, 36%) than straight men (16%), and of course these gives them the opportunity to access higher paying jobs.
The question here would be, how come that gay people get double the diplomas than straight people? You can't say that it is because their families have more money, cause this is a study from the UK. To put into comparison, an university dregree in the US costs about 5000 dollars at the very least amount of money (and it only goes up from there, 4x5000=20000 $), in the UK, it's 9200£ for the full package, and if you're scottish and want to study in Scotland it is about 500£ or so. And also, of note. I will add that before 1998, there was no fee to get into a british university, just your grades (pls some brit correct me if I'm wrong). Which also gets to another point, the studies which the article cites are were derive from the year 2005 which, considering that the fee came 7 years before, at that point the first ones to pay the tuition would have had to spend 4 years studying and from there try to get a high-paying job, as you may expect, these were talking about the classes of 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 and that's about it when talking about the classes that would have had to pay for fees, everyone else having gone free, thus, less argument about gays coming from rich families, thus, these people studied university could come from any family. Of course, it might be that a family NEEDS a guy to work just as he completes highschool, but those instances are rare on the first world.
Thus, gays don't come from wealthier families, but they do study more and get more degrees than heterosexual men, why is it?
Btw, it also says on the article:
<A person who, due to choice or circumstances, has no offspring, depends for their day to day existence on the offspring of others. It may appear that by saving for their old age they have provided for themselves. But this is a monetary illusion. You do not save for your old age by putting cans of beans and sacks of flour in a cellar to sustain you; instead you rely on freshly produced food, clothes etc, produced by the labour of the generation that follows you.
<The unpaid labour of raising children, labour predominantly done by mothers, is socially essential and all the current generation, whether they have children themselves or not, benefit indirectly from it. Gay activists are wont to identify their campaigns with campaigns against women’s oppression, but the economic analysis so far shows that this concept is fallacious. Not only are gay couples financially better off, they also, in the main, often opt out of the socially necessary unpaid labour that is at the root of the disadvantaged position of women/wives (by… not being able no have children).
Don't know what to say about this one chief.

>As a communist I oppose "rights" as such. Maybe re-read Marx's critique of Gotha.

Oh ffs go suck a cock, it's a manner of spech, sorry for not making self critique about my way of speaking to always be 100% correct with marxist literature. I shall now go out to the woods with all of my marxism books as a communist monk in order to purify the capitalist-liberal tendencies and way of speech that everyone has because of living in a society. I'm truly sorry.
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 No.402058

>>402055
Btw gonna go to sleep, and also wrote all of this while phoneposting, I hope you're proud.
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 No.402075

>>402043
not really
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 No.402079

>>401977
bullshit, Central and Eastern Europe is so cucked to the major EU nations that they have no room to speak about being some kind of alternative to anything. they'd collapse overnight like DPRK did after 1991.
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 No.402086

>>402079
poland and hungry are pretty based
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 No.402097

>>401645
>NOT!

The early 90's called, they want their verbal tics back
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 No.402101

>>402086
in what way? poles especially seem pretty cucked, both their libs and nationalists
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 No.402139

>>402101
they're pretty anti EU anti immigration
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 No.402146

>>401624
In a Spenglerian dialectical analysis this will destroy socialist civilization. I’m
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 No.402151

>>402139
okay anti-EU is based, but please don't tell me you're about to post your epic podcast of "right wing Nietzchean Socialism"
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 No.402158

>>402155
Please go back
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 No.402159

>>402151
do you have a better response? not sure if you're coping for if that's just low effort shitpost
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 No.402160

>>402151
I'm kinda hoping for another Night of the Long Knives which massacres a bunch of those people and then the bloodied survivors escape in a boat which capsizes and then they wash up on our shore and look up at us, and they see us standing there looking at them and there's a blindingly bright hammer and sickle in the sky above our heads. We then clean them up, start brainwashing them into our ideology, etc.

>>402155

You need to go back.
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 No.402169

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>>402155
maybe you wouldn't worry about "sandn!ggers" if you weren't cucked to use your taxes to start wars in the ME
Gee, wonder who could behind this post.
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 No.402174

>>402169
triggered
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 No.402180

>>402174
You're free to start actually arguing any time
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 No.402182

>>402180
I have been, you seem impaired as soon as anti immigration is brought up
a typical reddit move
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 No.402193

>>402182
Again, feel free to present an argument whenever you wish to.
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 No.402197

>>402193
again i have been, you seem impaired as soon as anti immigration is brought up
a typical reddit move
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 No.402200

>>402197
Once again, I must remind you that you are at liberty to present a concrete argument at your choosing.
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 No.402203

Once again i have been, you seem impaired as soon as anti immigration is brought up
a typical reddit move
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 No.402204

I am brought back here to give you yet another reminder that you can start arguing any time.
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 No.402207

Moved to >>>/b/114509.

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