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 No.399781

I think that one of the most important components of the capitalist propaganda machine is something that I call "deserved wealth" (there's probably a marxist term that is more accurate but I'm not aware of it). Basically the fact that most people think that guys like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates fully deserve the incommensurable wealth they have, because they worked harder, because they're intelligent, because they did "x" thing that most people couldn't do etc.

The myth is powerful because when people are poor they blame themselves instead of the capitalist exploitative system "If I was smarter I could be rich" "If I worked much harder I could stop being poor" etc this kind of thought basically shields capitalism from every single criticism because as long as there's people who "made it" it will always be your fault if you live like a dog, and as a happy side effect people will "work harder" for Porky because they think that working more and more hours and being more productive is the way to attain wealth.

How to debunk this myth in simple terms? If people realized that regardless of what they do the possibility of them becoming rich is extremely low more people would join the socialist camp, liberating proles from their alienation is the way to achieve revolution.
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 No.399790

>his parents didn't wait until they were financially comfortable to have children and raise them in a proper Texas suburb
ISHYGDDT
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 No.399793

You cannot “debunk” deserved wealth. And if you try to you’ll end up in a deep philosophical hole. At best you can start at real concrete problems and start from there and work your way to fundamental questions. So for example the question of wages can be solved but the solution is so radical that it’s upstream effect would essentially abolish billionaires entirely. Or at least abolish their moneyed wealth. So you cannot debunk deserved wealth within the realm of a concrete scientific practice, only from a philosophical and abstract way.

You can bring some empirical truths into the conversation about inequality but who wants to do all that annoying work? I rather start at more fundamental questions like how do we get rid of the wage system.
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 No.399810

>>399781
LTV: they got rich off the work of their employees. Saying they deserve their wealth because they "worked hard" is like saying a thoef deserves your TV because breaking into your house and taking it was hard work.
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 No.399813

I mean, does it really matter? Under capitalism, a capitalist "deserves" to exploit a worker under bourgeois law under which they are equal subjects entering into a contract. So yes, a capitalist "deserves" their wealth in capitalism, the same way a failson who got a trust fund "deserves" that wealth. Marx was very carefully to not employ moralisms of fairness, and he mocked Lassalle for it.

Hating billionaires is good, but we are not liberals who only hate the ones "who didn't deserve it". We also hate hard-working billionaire who started his business in his garage. We make no difference between them. They're our enemies because of their class position, not because of whether they climbed the ladder or not. So the question is moot and more likely to be aimed at liberals who just want higher taxes for the rich.
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 No.399833

>>399824
Kill yourself, porky.
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 No.399837

>>399824
Good one 7/10, at least you tried hard.
There's no proof that Helen's son was actually Marx's, and even if that was the case nobody cares, no one is perfect anyway.
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 No.399842

>>399837
YA,,, AND HITLER HAD ONE TESTICLE!!!!!
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 No.399843

>>399781
Simple, most of their wealth comes from unearned income, i.e, the passive appreciation of asset values. Sure they did some work to get their companies up and running decades ago, but it has since been taken over and all the value is produced by the workers at the company. They merely own the company and therefore claim the benefits of private property.

The wealth of these three men increased by many billions in the past year. Were they millions of times more productive than their workers? Absolutely not. Did they do anything to deserve that wealth? Absolutely not. They merely owned the assets which appreciated in value through no action of their own.
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 No.399846

>>399842
I have a theory about the Washington monument. I have a theory…… about the Washington monument.
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 No.399870

The easiest way to get rich is to be rich. At a certain point money is self-begetting through investments. Their money works for them and they pay people to manage it.
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 No.399933

People don't actually believe such a myth about actual merit. They believe in power, and the right of kings, and imagine what they would want if they themselves were rich. It helps if the person believing has a stake in something that they will defend, like a position won by being a part of that capitalist system. The lords vassals can be relied upon to fight for the lord, at least until it is time to look out for themselves when the going gets tough.
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 No.399942

>>399938
>And no this doesn't apply to the small business owners who put in 12 hours a day, and never exploited their workers on an industrial scale.
You were so fucking close… but you had to ruin it all at the end, right you Nazi?
Just like WWII
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 No.399961

>>399933
This myth of the mertiocracy is most prominent for those who have their position because of ostensibly meritorious institutions like the school or university, in which the favor of the instructor is the indicator of success and there isn't the expectation that people would actually do anything as students. This is somewhat different from a typical organization's merit which would at least in principle be associated with something you did, rather than a signifier. Eugenics accelerated the belief in superficial markers of intelligence rather than actual things an intelligent person would do, and as the schools and universities became eugenicist institutions, this made the schools and universities more and more shitty, and the myth that must stronger (since they're now not only invested in the educational instiution, but in the genetic heritage that they can pass down to their children). The genius of the eugenic plan is that it gets people invested in their DNA and pedigree, and exaggerates its importance so that people are subordinated to their sexual impulses and the nerve of power. This myth of "meritocracy" wouldn't be able to persist without eugenics.

But still, in the main, it's not about merit or even eugenics. The truth of money and power is that it's a feudal game, and whatever pretenses people make about feudalism, feudal orders are marked by the lower nobles scrambling like rats at the first opportune moment. The only thing that can sort of salvage the arrangement is a particularly enlightened despot that can see on some level that this is all a terrible arrangement. Again, though, eugenics has foreclosed that possibility. Today's aristocrat or captain of industry is a raging piece of human shit whose only real talent is raping little girls (or boys if that is their predilection). Eugenics plays well with that old feudal tendency to behave like rats, hence its rapid adoption by what remained of the old aristocracy when they fused with the capitalist class. It accelerates it to levels hitherto unknown and strips out what decency you might have ascribed to an aristocracy.
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 No.399964

>>399938
>You're all fucking idiots. Bezos and Gates made deals with the US government that enabled them to skirt laws, labor disputes, and accepted western practices of morality (don't say you cocksuckers don't have a sense of western morality, and then complain about class exploitation).
That's the inevitable trajectory of capitalism though. There is zero reason for the dominant bourgeoisie not to use the government to their advantage, it is a tool of class rule after all. When discussing class exploitation as well, we are discussing an objective capitalist process, at which point you can then decide the legitimacy of such. Contemporary western mortality has no inherent issue with exploitation itself though, so long as that exploitation is an"agreed" upon exploitation.
>They're oligarchs, ofc they don't deserve their wealth.
The point being made here is that this is a moralistic claim that's just going to get flipped on its head by the statement that they worked to arrive at that point. They may be "oligarchs", but to them this is just what "hard work" results in.
>And no this doesn't apply to the small business owners who put in 12 hours a day, and never exploited their workers on an industrial scale.
It quite literally does. Today's small business owners are just the possible bourgeoisie proper of tomorrow. And the petty bourgeoisie absolutely exploit their worker, exploitation isn't a case of how bad or good people feel about it.
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 No.399977

>>399973
>destroy everyone with experience in creating productivity, replace them with pseuds who've never produced anything

Don't be a retard, most socialist countries actually tried to give those people managerial positions in the state companies.
A lot of them refused and that's fine, but some actively tried to overthrow the government, that's why they got gulag'd
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 No.399982

>>399933
>>399961
Quality effortposting as always.
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 No.399991

>>399973
>destroy everyone with experience in creating productivity, replace them with pseuds who've never produced anything
Where did I state this? The capitalists don't create anything in the first place either, the workers do. The capitalists just utilize their labour power. Do you think the vast majority of business owners run things themselves 24/7? No, they employ people who then run it for them.
>I hope you like grain shortages and looking heroin chic comrade.
No grain shortage occurred because of socialists destroying everyone "with experience in creating productivity" you fag.
>Inb4 "muh Kulaks"
Kulaks were practitioners of usury who kept workers in debt slavery and acquired most of their grain from obscene repayments from other peasants.
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 No.399999

>>399973
why are nazis so weirdly ununique?
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 No.400015

>>399999
Meh get tbh, could have been better.
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 No.400022

>>400010
John D. Rockefeller was a pious Christian - this is demonstrated in any study of his life and it was no act - but would skirt labor laws and literally hire private armies to crush workers. Bezos by comparison is practically a saint. What is Bezos' crime, squeezing more efficiency out of his worker units with 21st century hyper-Taylorism?
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 No.400024

>>400020
The holocaust is probably the most documented event in human history.

The holodomor is porky propaganda, so much that even hardcore anti-communists say that there was never a concious effort to use starvation as a weapon.
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 No.400028

>>400015
This one is orgasm tier though
>>400000
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 No.400054

>>400010
>That's just our Judeo-Christian heritage, whereby the Judeo part supercedes the Christian part with replacing Christian values with Judaic ones.
No, quite literally this was always the case, and you're lying otherwise.
>Yes, the average Neocohnservative is kiked. They're hopeless.
Completely missed the point.
>Subjective /anecdotal. I know you theory boys hate every productive member of society, but you must use rational nuance to distinguish between Bezos and Bob the cafe owner who employs 10 people. Otherwise you sound like you are incapable of differentiation,
Economically, the difference is only scope. In what way did I state a hatred for productive members of society? The workers are the ones producing after all. The petite-bourgeoisie are completely unnecessary in their existence and engage in exploitation themselves. They also eventually fall to the level of worker or bourgeoisie proper anyway as the contradictions of capitalism heighten, so they aren't even some kind of thing you could consequentially preserve in capitalism in a dominant fashion in the long run.
>and we're right back to the Red Terror and purging farmers.
Didn't happen. The "farmers" been purged were practitioners of usury, we've been over this.
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 No.400057

Workers shale take as we please no regard! no apologies!
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 No.400065

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>>400020
>Hahahahahaha
>And you festering retards talk about muh holocaust.
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 No.400074

>>400020
>t. has never read russian history
Serfdom was abolished in favor of debt slavery to the majority of peasants in the empire
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 No.400092

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>>400065
In case you can't read, or don't want to, this is a study done by people strictly non-communist. And yet even they have this to say of peasants and how they defined (and thus how the USSR defined) Kulaks.
>>400073
>kulaks deserved it. Usury bruh
>NOOO not my heckin Jewerinos, NOOOO
>Lolocaust levels of stupidity.
In what reality was every Jew in Germany and abroad practicing usury?
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 No.400105

Don't let the nazi derail the thread, that's what they want.
Right Langley?
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 No.400129

>>400099
Christian societies don't believe that no ceiling on personal wealth should exist. You're referring to Judaism, whose texts say that Jews should have all the wealth, and gentiles should be kept as slaves.
And yet there did effectively exist no ceiling, because it literally doesn't matter what they believe.
>This chart is what happens when Jews replace Christians as the capitalist elites.
How anti-materialist. It doesn't matter who the bourgeoisie are, and it doesn't matter what personal faith they hold. The capitalist system drives the bourgeoisie to to undertake certain actions, or perish as capitalists. Unironically read "On the Jewish Question", its not actually an antisemitic piece. Capitalism makes us all "Jews" at the end of the day.
>You're middle class. Prove me wrong. See the problem with you is that you are neither prole or peasant, you're what Trotsky we- bouj trying to take control over actual proles and peasants.
We're on an anonymous imagebaord, there's literally no way I could prove you wrong or right, and I doubt me telling you differently would convince you. And Trotsky wasn't a bourgeoisie, that's not how it works. "Middle class" also isn't a thing in terms of class, and literally everybody thinks they are "middle class" today, even the lowest income workers.
>By your own reasoning, the holocaust was justified.
In what way? It is literally impossible for every Jew to be a practitioner of usury, and those Jews who practiced such left Germany after shaking hands with the German government years into the regime, because they had the money to. The vast majority of the Jews killed were proles, who had literally zero capacity to do so. Someone being a Jew doesn't automatically make them usurers. But a Kulak is literally defined as someone who practices such.
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 No.400134

>>400114
>Irrelevant. You're not applying your own standards now.
How am I not? You're attempting some desperate gotcha here, but even you should realize the dishonest game you're trying to play. The Kulaks were literally defined in their practice of loan sharking and debt slavery, they wouldn't be Kulaks otherwise. A jew is just a jew, there is nothing in regards to someone being such that inherently makes them usurer. A usurer can be a jew, but not all jews are such.
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 No.400146

>>400105
Man I love our nazi mods, they're doing a good job at making a place for open discussion and freeze peach
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 No.400152

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 No.400155

>>400148
This is what I love about you guys. You simply can’t troll without having a meltdown. Like holy shit how do you become this assmad for 20th-century khokhols? Are you a khokhol yourself?
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 No.400156

>>400154
>I'm a mod
The first truthful thing you've said
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 No.400157

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>>400141
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 No.400159

The arguments in this book might help, OP
>Conservative Maxim 1: Payment according to the value of one’s personal contribution and the contribution of the productive property one owns. The rationale behind the conservative maxim is that people should get out of an economy what they and their productive possessions contribute to the economy. If we think of the goods and services, or benefits of an economy, as a giant pot of stew, the idea is that individuals contribute to how big and rich the stew will be by their labor and by the productive assets they bring to the kitchen. If my labor and productive assets make the stew bigger or richer than your labor and assets, then according to maxim 1 it is only fair that I eat more stew, or richer morsels, than you do. While this rationale has obvious appeal, it has a major problem I call the Rockefeller grandson problem. According to maxim 1 the grandson of a Rockefeller with a large inheritance of productive property should eat 1000 times as much stew as a highly trained, highly productive, hard working son of a pauper – even if Rockefeller’s grandson doesn’t work a day in his life and the pauper’s son works for fifty years producing goods or providing services of great benefit to others. This will inevitably occur if we count the contribution of productive property people own, and if people own different amounts of machinery and land, or what is the same thing, different amounts of stocks in corporations that own the machinery and land, since bringing a cooking pot or stove to the economy “kitchen” increases the size and quality of the stew we can make just as surely as peeling more potatoes and stirring the pot more does. So anyone who considers it unfair when the idle grandson of a Rockefeller consumes more than a hard working, productive son of a pauper cannot accept maxim 1 as the definition of equity. A second line of defense for the conservative maxim is based on a vision of “free and independent” people, each with his or her own property, who, it is argued, would refuse to voluntarily enter a social contract on any other terms. This view is commonly associated with the writings of John Locke. But while it is clear why those with a great deal of productive property in Locke’s imaginary “state of nature” would have reason to hold out for a social contract along the lines of maxim 1, why would not those who wander the state of nature with little or no productive property in their backpacks hold out for a very different arrangement? If those with considerable wherewithal can do quite well for themselves in the state of nature, whereas those without cannot, it is not difficult to see how requiring unanimity would drive the bargain in the direction of maxim 1. But then maxim 1 is the result of an unfair bargaining situation in which the rich are better able to tolerate failure to reach an agreement over a fair way to assign the burdens and benefits of economic cooperation than the poor, giving the rich the upper hand in negotiations over the terms of the social contract. In this case the social contract rationale for maxim 1 loses moral force because it results from an unfair bargain. This suggests that unless those with more productive property acquired it through some greater merit on their part, the income which accrues to them from this property is unjustifiable, at least on equity grounds. That is, while the unequal outcome might be desirable for some other reason such as improving efficiency or economic freedom, it would not be just or fair. In which case maxim 1 must be rejected as a definition of equity if we find that those who own more productive property did not come by it through greater merit.
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 No.400162

>>400161
There is no feasible way for you to derail as much discussion as you have, and you know that
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 No.400165

>>400161
>Bad Logic!
You missed an opportunity to call it talmudic logic.

Is this the same fucking guy who said that the soviets had no incentive for innovation, but when the space race was brought up “deemed” it irrelevant and pivoted to nukes? Because I can’t take criticisms about logic from a guy like that seriously.
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 No.400174

>>400141
>And now proving my point…
How did that prove your point? Actually read the whole thing, it does no such thing. The point is that what people perceived at the time as the "Jew" is what capitalism makes all of us. You don't get "good" capitalism with Christians at the helm, capitalism itself shape the decisions that need to be made to be competitive.
>Why do American Christians argue in favor of unrestrained greed? Because the Jews corrupted their religion, with the shared Judeo-Christian worldview. The Christians have become Jews. This didn't start to become obvious until the 1980s, when neoconservative President Ronald Reagan, with a disproportionately Jewish cabinet began deregulating banking and finance. It continued on into the Bush and Clinton presidencies, and today's modern American has no historical understanding of what took place.
No, again you missed the point. Capitalism by itself makes us into "Jews", at least the stereotypical perception of one. Jews themselves didn't corrupt Christianity, because Christianity isn't what shapes society to begin with, rather something like Christianity is shaped by the base of society. Christians became "Jews" because that's the trajectory capitalism inherently takes all things, and its idealism it believe that just having a Christian bourgeoisie changes this.
>a peasant in Russia wealthy enough to own a farm and hire labor. Emerging after the emancipation of serfs in the 19th century the kulaks resisted Stalin's forced collectivization, but millions were arrested, exiled, or killed.
No, that''s not what they were. Actually read the paper here >>400092. The peasants themselves will tell you what a Kulak is.
>Kys Zio scum
What did I state that was Zionist? You're really getting desperate here.
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 No.400175

>>400173
No, I'm not debating you're pet topics
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 No.400176

>>400173
>Derails thread
>WAAAH WHERE IS MY DEBATE
Fuck off
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 No.400177

>>400148
>Jews have a monopoly on usury, and have built global hegemony off debt. They own your student loan. They own your mortgage. To compare the biggest usurers on earth to fucking peasant farmers is almost an insult that deserves corporal punishment imo.
Proof? Again, your claim relies on every Jew being a practitioner of usury, not some. All Kulaks are by definition practitioners of usury. But not all Jews are.
>And 4/5 of the world's largest banks are in your favorite fauxcialist utopia, PRC.
These are literally all public nationally controlled banks. You know, the kind of bank you allegedly are for? Or did you trip up, and not are for private banks like Hitler was? Real mask off moment.
>Take your keyboard and bash your own face in with it.
Why are you so angry hearing the truth anon?
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 No.400179

>>400171
>See the effects of unrestrained capitalism in decay
<B-B-But the jews!
Why do I care if the porky has a foreskin or not? They’re still porkies whose material interests come at my expense. Moreover, pressing a button to make all the circumcised people disappear will NOT stop other porkies from carrying on as usual. Hell, assuming your schizo theory is true, they’ll more likely than not just take up the vacant space.
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 No.400181

>>400180
see, I know you're faking it because you cannot post without using a logical fallacy. It's best to just give it up when you're found out
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 No.400183

>>400180
Again, why just the jews? There are not enough of them in the world to make up all the bourgeoisie, even if all 14 million of them are somehow the same banker and megacorp owner.

Cut out the middle man and go straight for the bourgeois class. But you won’t do that, because you identify with them and want to be them.
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 No.400185

>>400171
>You cocksuckers can't even make a meme without mimicking Zionist talking points. It's unhistorical nonsense. Jews weren't excluded from doing honest work. The Jews who migrated westward in Europe were merchants already, and moved there expressly to practice usury.
Anon, you cant have your cake and eat it too. Either Jews were suppressed and expelled from countries, being completely prohibited to having certain positions, or no such thing happened and they were always outside merchants who never faced such suppression domestically. Also this isn't ahistorical, this practically the consensus from every historian on the topic. They can't have all been merchants before hand when the merchant capitalism was in its infancy and lay dormant.
>They were ordered time at time again by decrees of kings to stop usury.
No, they actually weren't. Kings and nobles actually employed them all the time to move money for them, and when things got too hot, would expel them before doing it all over again.
>I will not accept yet another narrative whereby jews are victims. Do you fucking see how they behave when they're the elites? Do you fucking see millions if homeless people while Blackrock buys up the housing market? You stupid idiot, their old torah says that other kingdoms described the Jews as financial predators. It's in manuscripts from 3000 years ago
Literally every capitalist elite inevitably does this, and you can see it all over the world. It really is just a capitalist pathology you have, where you want to keep the system and you want to have capitalist elites, but the "good" capitalist elites and opposed to the "bad".
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 No.400187

hitler more like shitler
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 No.400189

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The problem of attacking propaganda is that it seldom relies on solid understanding twisted by lies. Instead , it sits on a tangled mess of assumptions, many contradictory, propped up by emotion, misguided trust and both a powerful need and a fear to lose a feeling of assurance about one's place on the world.

Examining (debunking) single key aspects of it may be tempting because hypothetically they could have a huge domino effect. That's why it rarely works. The harsher the consequences the harder the struggle for abandoning a established belief. No matter how evident it is. Humans have plenty of strategies to avoid critical thinking even before considering the neurotic hellscape of propaganda and social media set up to facilitate delusion.

Plus there is the problem that even if the person may be initially receptive to have the pillars of their belief system be chipped at, you cannot leave them hanging. The more radical the change the more it needs a substitution and the bigger that substitute is. So you end up trying to sell them on a replacement for their entire understanding of everything and at that point you have already lost. It's either too simplistic or too big a of a change to be accepted.

Sure, if you take someone from a cult you can restrict their freedom and work on them against their will, here it's you against the world. And yes, you may be able to exploit emotional bonds with others to keep them from blocking you out but I think that is risky and emotionally taxing for all involved. If you need that level of rapport then the strategy ain't very good to begin with.

Now , I'm not a real person. But If I was, I'd say "doing stuff that benefits people and fighting one's enemy" > "convincing bystanders that you got the right ideas".
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 No.400191

>>400180
Income is not the same as class, and this isn't identifying class exploiters. By your metrics, Hindus are also class exploiters nearly tied with Jews, and we should remove them right after Jews. The thing that defines the bourgeoisie is them being bourgeoisie, not anything else. What use is it to me to say X amount of this ethnicity is bourgeoisie, therefore they are all bourgeoisie? If I want to identify a flower, I do so, I don't state that 1/4 of the flowers are red and so flowers are defined as red.
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 No.400195

>>400181
And what logical fallacy is that- that the richest, most privileged identity group is probably the biggest class exploiter?
How do the boujs obtain wealth in a capitalist system? By class exploitation. I've never seen a bigger bunch of kike defenders than when I found this website. You cocksuckers will kill a kulak who owns 5 sheep and a donkey, and then suck off a Jewish CEO because muh holocaust feels.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.400199

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>>400195
>suck off a Jewish CEO
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 No.400200

>>400195
>Literal idpol
This has got to be some elaborate performance art. There is no way that someone can actually believe the things that you’ve been writing here.
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 No.400206

>>400200
I fly my flag here don't I?
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 No.400207

>>400206
Then, it gives me no pleasure to tell you this, but you’re just an edgy liberal, which your beloved nazis were as well.
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 No.400209

>>400195
>And what logical fallacy is that- that the richest, most privileged identity group is probably the biggest class exploiter?
This is just literal liberal idpol in regards to whites repackaged. No, because an "identity group" isn't one thing, its not some interconnected body of flesh that operates as one singular entity. The bourgeoisie of that group are exploiters, everyone else isn't.
>How do the boujs obtain wealth in a capitalist system? By class exploitation.
Yes, but not all gained wealth is from being a bourgeoisie. For example, an engineer or a doctor both make rather good money due to the demand of labour relative to supply and the cost of training, but they aren't inherently bourgeoisie.
>I've never seen a bigger bunch of kike defenders than when I found this website. You cocksuckers will kill a kulak who owns 5 sheep and a donkey, and then suck off a Jewish CEO because muh holocaust feels.
Not what a Kulak was, read the peasant description again. It was explicitly not someone who just owned more animals. And no one defended CEO's here.
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 No.400215

>>400171
>The Jews who migrated westward in Europe were merchants already, and moved there expressly to practice usury. They were ordered time at time again by decrees of kings to stop usury. I will not accept yet another narrative whereby jews are victims. Do you fucking see how they behave when they're the elites? Do you fucking see millions if homeless people while Blackrock buys up the housing market? You stupid idiot, their old torah says that other kingdoms described the Jews as financial predators.
Socialism replaces money with single use labor time tickets and private property with personal or public property. Usury and hedge-funds will simply cease to exist. There will be central planning that will build houses for the single purpose that people get to live in them and own the houses they live in as personal property. Labour time tickets are single use, which means they can't circulated like money and as a result they can't be used by loan sharks. All the problems you talk about are solved, without any need for REEEEJOOOS
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 No.400216

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 No.400219

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>>400195
Literally this meme in reverse.
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 No.400712

>>399813
thanks, makes sense
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 No.400751

>>399810
OP you absolutely must understand the labor theory of value as marx desribes it, there are some nice sounding replies in this thread but they don't get at the root of the problem if you dont understand LTV, and what exploitation actually is etc.

On a more anecdotal side: Jeff Bezos thanked his customers and workers for paying for his trip to space. So he literally admits that he didn't earn that money he spent - everyone knows it. If you got your first job and bought a car with a couple of your paycheques, would you think of it as your employer buying you the car? No, you should feel fully entitled because you earned it.
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 No.400880

>>400020
Just open a fucking dictionary from Imperial Russia and look for the work "kulak", chinlet. It also has nice synonym "мироед", which literally translates as "commune eater".

Do you even understand how little you actually know about the subject of russian history? Why do you continues this when you already shit yourself publically?
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 No.400888

>>400134
>when you have to explain basic logic to a nazi
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 No.400997

>>400206
You go to gulag
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 No.401000

>>400996
Oh sorry little honey, did we infringe on your free speech?
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 No.401004

>>400996
we dont allow uyghurs who dont understand the reality of the class system here
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 No.401006

>>400996
So which site do you think which is not a sheethole? 4***n? Quora? Reddit? Youtube? Twitter?
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 No.401010

>>401008
Really?
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 No.401013

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>>401008
Retvrn to tradition, yov faggot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessio_plebis
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 No.401020

>>401011
4chan bans commie shit all the time.
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 No.401029

>>401023
go on and make a serious and non-bait commie thread.
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 No.401034

>>401017
>Skull Shapes determine your relation to productive forces
Weak
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 No.401041

>>401037
>I am banned for posting Loli on /tv/
And you have the nerve to call us degenerates
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 No.401044

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>>401008
>Class is a Jewish construct
>Only race matters
mutt hands wrote this.
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 No.401052

>>401043
Is that what happens when I crack my back? I thought it was an acid flashback being stored in my spinal fluid, but I guess it was just the aryan spirit afterall
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 No.401055

>>401008
>class is a jewish social construct
>only race matters
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OK, I CAN'T TAKE IT
HE JUST ADMITS TO CHOOSING TO BE RETARDED
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 No.401072

>>401046
Ну вот. Что сказать, кроме “можно повторить”?
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 No.401080

>>401070
>NOOOO IM A SPECIAL KIND P
OF PEED
Shoo shoo pedo
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 No.401101

>>401046
Ach wirklich? Kannste och lesn dat wat isch hier also ma so am herumschreibseln bin, gä? Isch nehma deinä Rübe plus dä Eier fürn Eintopf, bin isch Vegetarier?
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 No.401182

>>401113
This guy does not sound like a native German speaker. OTOH native German neo-nazis often don't speak German at the normal native level.
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 No.401243

>>401008
>Class is a jewish social construct, only Race matters.
I don't think you know what "social construct" means.
>>401017
>Muh four races shit
Can you at least be fucking consistent in your shilling of being "race realists"? Cause this is some extremely outdated shit.
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 No.401296

dude you don't liberate proles by convincing them capitalism is bad. people are poor, use their situation to argue that it's capitalism's fault. Tell them about how others are having life in luxury without lifting a singer finger while some people work 2 jobs to sustain their lives.

This kind of "we win an argument so we deserve to change the system" logic is such a liberal mindset. You don't gotta win arguments, you gotta win people. Intellectual superiority ain't gonna do shit when you want to improve simple people's lives and you want the simple people's support. Simple people won't waste time reading theory to get why they are wrong, and telling them they're stupid because they didn't read makes you look like an ivory tower academic fuck, no wonder most /pol/FAGGOTs say leftists are alienated from the actual struggling proletariat.
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 No.401306

>>399938
>don't have a sense of western morality, and then complain about class exploitation
we don't "complain", that exploitation is a fact and it leads to some pretty fucked up shit later, not morally but physically, which eventually leads to revolution. This is the distinction between national "socialists" and actual socialists, we're scientific. We can argue on both a moral and an objective basis, unlike you idealist quasi-populist fucks
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 No.401335

>>400880
>мироед", which literally translates as "commune eater".
>actually translates to "world eater"
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 No.401360

>>401335
Дебил, ты не осознаешь разных определений, заключенных в слове “Мир”?
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 No.401363

>>401182
I thought this was a dialectal variety of german, tbh.
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 No.401374

>>401360
since fucking when does мир translate to commune? Peace, world, yeah. Commune? Wtf?
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 No.401403

>>401374
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obshchina
It was another word for Община
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 No.401416

>>401403
weird, never used it or heard anyone use it like that, but thanks
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 No.402991

>>401182
>>401363
It's not the nazi just wrote gibberish
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 No.405751

>>399781 (OP)
Kropotkin did it in "The Conquest of Bread"

> Take, indeed, a civilized country. The forests which once covered it have been cleared, the marshes drained, the climate improved. It has been made habitable. The soil, which bore formerly only a coarse vegetation, is covered to-day with rich harvests. The rock-walls in the valleys are laid out in terraces and covered with vines bearing golden fruit. The wild plants, which yielded nought but acrid berries, or uneatable roots, have been transformed by generations of culture into succulent vegetables, or trees covered with delicious fruits. Thousands of highways and railroads furrow the earth, and pierce the mountains. The shriek of the engine is heard in the wild gorges of the Alps, the Caucasus, and the Himalayas. The rivers have been made navigable; the coasts, carefully surveyed, are easy of access; artificial harbours, laboriously dug out and protected against the fury of the sea, afford shelter to the ships. Deep shafts have been sunk in the rocks; labyrinths of underground galleries have been dug out where coal may be raised or minerals extracted. At the crossings of the highways great cities have sprung up, and within their borders all the treasures of industry, science, and art have been accumulated.


> Whole generations, that lived and died in misery, oppressed and ill-treated by their masters, and worn out by toil, have handed on this immense inheritance to our century.


> For thousands of years millions of men have laboured to clear the forests, to drain the marshes, and to open up highways by land and water. Every rood of soil we cultivate in Europe has been watered by the sweat of several races of men. Every acre has its story of enforced labour, of intolerable toil, of the people’s sufferings. Every mile of railway, every yard of tunnel, has received its share of human blood.


< …


> Science and industry, knowledge and application, discovery and practical realization leading to new discoveries, cunning of brain and of hand, toil of mind and muscle — all work together. Each discovery, each advance, each increase in the sum of human riches, owes its being to the physical and mental travail of the past and the present.


> By what right then can any one whatever appropriate the least morsel of this immense whole and say — This is mine, not yours?


< …


> All things are for all. Here is an immense stock of tools and implements; here are all those iron slaves which we call machines, which saw and plane, spin and weave for us, unmaking and remaking, working up raw matter to produce the marvels of our time. But nobody has the right to seize a single one of these machines and say, “This is mine; if you want to use it you must pay me a tax on each of your products,” any more than the feudal lord of medieval times had the right to say to the peasant, “This hill, this meadow belong to me, and you must pay me a tax on every sheaf of corn you reap, on every rick you build.”
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 No.405776

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>yeah I'm gonna take all your shit and give it to the poor

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