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 No.396741[View All]

Elysium is looking less like fiction everyday. Private corporations are now conquering space and they will leave the poors behind. They’re already perfecting rockets and most likely will build private space stations that are too expensive for normal workers. If we don’t have a revolution soon the billionaires and millionaires and shareholders will leave us here to rot.
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 No.398710

>>396761
Just needs to be enough where autogenocide of 80% of the population becomes viable
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 No.398712

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>>398548
So the rocket is outright less efficient than the Space Shuttle's?
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 No.398720

>>398155
Porky is not human. He is a vassal for capital accumulation.
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 No.398726

>>398341
Mars is the real wildcard. On one level, ruling mars would be pointless. I truly believe that Elon Musk wants to become Emperor of Mars and claim it as his planetary kingdom. Accordin to the Outer Space Treaty, which entered force in 1967, nation states are from claiming celestial bodies, but *there is no such provision forbidding private individuals from doing so.*

He would rule over barren wastelands and windstorms, an empire of dust. Mars has tremendously rich ore deposits, though transporting it back to earth to trade in the earth economy would be negated by the costs of interplanetary freight. Also, the population scalability of Mars is very limited. Surviving there would be a great challenge, worse than any sort of frontier pioneering ever undertaken on earth. Most of all, to make Mars an attractive place to settle, it would have to be terraformed, a massive and unprecedented operation which also requires finding some means to remediate its electromagnetic field, a feat which is perhaps unknown to science and which certainly outstrips any of mankind's engineering knowlege. To say nothing of the logistics of this operation.

Mars therefore is really just a curiosity for the superfluously rich to prize and explore so that they can go down in history. Although I seriously do believe Musk wants to claim it as his own planet, he's that much of a prick. And he has an opening legally to do so.
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 No.398728

>>398341
>nation states are from claiming celestial bodies
are *forbidden from claiming
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 No.398750

>>398726
Musk won't be able to claim mars, if he actually does a mars thing and declares him self the emperor of mars, others will still be able to go to mars as well, and do what ever they want. He can't do anything to enforce his mars empire, anybody that can send people to mars can also send "other payloads". You can't own stuff in space, enclosure is not practical, you have to get along with the other people in space.
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 No.398802

>>398750
If he monopolizes the technology to get to mars he can control access to it.
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 No.398806

>>398802
The issue isn't getting to mars as a technological feat. We could send people there. The problem is they will die within a month.
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 No.398807

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>>398802
>If he monopolizes the technology
Has never happened in human history, anything that had been militarily useful has been researched by competing militarily powers as generals don't give a shit about the intellectual property rights of the enemy
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 No.398827

>>398556
Starship will never even leave the atmosphere, let alone do anything useful.
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 No.398833

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>Elysium
You mean poor man's Gunnm?
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 No.398841

In contrast to what the average childless science fiction writer wants you to believe, policymakers aren't beholden to the addict and rather to the non-addicts of the city who have entrusted them with responsibility to keep order
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 No.398847

>>398827
Are you retarded? Starships development is lightning fast compared to every other rocket.
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 No.398849

>>398841
The fact of the matter is you can't policy your way out of homelessness/addicts/mental illness etc. But you can isolate it for both its own good and the city's broader health

That's why we had mental institutions, Skid Row, and medieval vagabond camps
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 No.398850

>>398674
Starship will be fully and rapidly reusable, at the end only fuel costs will matter.
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 No.398852

>>398712
Ofcource, Hydrolox is an inherently more energy rich fuel than Kerolox. On the other hand it is more difficult to work with and store it.
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 No.398854

>>398847
Starship is fundamentally flawed. https://youtu.be/cDYt-phUAxY
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 No.398859

>>398854
>youtube
Make your own argument, faggot.
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 No.398863

>>398854
Lol dude you’re not an engineer and you aren’t working on any legitimate construction of a rocket. You think some billionaires can not afford to salary some expert engineers to build some shit? You have the mind of a child which is funny as hell.
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 No.398865

>>398863
>Lol dude you’re not an engineer and you aren’t working on any legitimate construction of a rocket. You think some billionaires can not afford to salary some expert engineers to build some shit? You have the mind of a child which is funny as hell.
You spoke like redditor
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 No.398866

>>398859
Why would I when there's an excellent series explaining it in detail?
>>398863
This board has unironic Muskrats now? Depressing.
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 No.398867

>>398807
Were no longer in the Cold War era and while you’re right that governments help develop shit. They’re throwing money right now at private corporations that can do whatever they want with no accountability because they are “private”. They aren’t bound by bureaucracy and with massive subsidies paying for this shit, it’s still a private company with free reign to go crazy.
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 No.398871

>>398866
Who said I love Musk? All I said is that you aren’t some expert building these rockets.
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 No.398873

>>398865
Porky loving faggot.
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 No.398875

>>398871
No, but even I can see Starship has some fundamental flaws in its design, which makes me wonder why SpaceX engineers haven't. Maybe they have, but Musk is insisting on bad design anyway?
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 No.398877

>>398867
Again war planners don't care about the supposed rights of the enemy thus will steal enemy plans if need be. For example if the PRC goes to war against the USA, they are not going to care about the rights of US companies.
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 No.398879

>>398866
>Why would I when there's an excellent series explaining it in detail?
Because I don't discuss with some Eceleb on youtube but with (you)
>>398875
>but even I can see Starship has some fundamental flaws in its design
Name them, make your own argument.
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 No.398882

>>398875
Do you think engineers just build shit and don’t have alpha and beta versions of these things? This is why they plan, build, test, go back to the drawing board. This is literally basic engineering type shit whether it’s done by a private company or government project.
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 No.398883

>>398854
>1. He assumes that each passenger requires 5.5lb of food a day based on a NASA news article for the ISS. This far more than would be needed, and to verify this claim all he would have needed to do is check the caloric density of preserved food. For example, 1900 kcal of commercially available freeze-dried meals is only 0.8lb (85% less than claimed!).
>2. The next screen he goes on to examine the water usage for a hypothetical trip to mars. He assumes the current 93% water recycling efficiency on a 4-person ISS mission will also be the case for a 100-person Starship cruise. This he calculates out to 2250lbs of water loss per day. I'm really not sure where over a ton of water is going to waste since a spaceship is a completely sealed system. The water loss on the ISS is mainly due to EVAs and other openings of airlocks as well as waste from scientific experiments, none of which will be present on a trip to Mars.
>3. The transit time he uses for all of his calculations is wrong. 9 months is close to what you need for a minimum energy Hohmann transfer, but a more realistic cruise phase is 5-6 months. Perseverance launched on July 30 and it's already on the surface, and that was just an unmanned rover.
>4. Finally, and probably most importantly, all the calculations are based off of a figure of 100 people to Mars. SpaceX's chief Mars development engineer has flatly stated that this is not realistic and that they are targeting "much smaller crews" for initial missions.
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 No.398886

>>398877
I dont see how this is against my point.
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 No.398889

>>398534
>it's irrelevant that technology progresses and changes the game

It doesn't change the fact that any kind of human life in space requires massive amounts of support from the earth, around the clock support, from hundreds or thousands of people, and the slightest thing wrong means everyone on your space station dies regardless of whether you got there in spacex or the spruce goose, you dumb fucking asshole
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 No.398891

>>398883
>4. Finally, and probably most importantly, all the calculations are based off of a figure of 100 people to Mars.
Because that's what Musk keeps claiming. This video is the first in a series going over Starship's many flaws.
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 No.398893

>>398886
This means they can't have a monopoly as their supposed rights to the technology will be ignored by competing nations.
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 No.398896

>>398889
>It doesn't change the fact that any kind of human life in space requires massive amounts of support from the earth
*currently
There is potentially infinite energy because of the 100% predictible sun exposure and large amounts of material from the various Near Earth Asteroids.
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 No.398900

>>398891
Not achieving hyperspecific goals doesn't mean that it's an inherent design flaw, lmao.
Besides ITT we speak about starships ability to get cheaply large amounts of material into LEO to build a Huge space station.
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 No.398902

>>398891
>This video is the first in a series going over Starship's many flaws.
If it starts off so retarded and ignorant, why should I take your word that it is legit scientific work from here on?
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 No.398905

>>398891
>Because that's what Musk keeps claiming.
He didn't "claim" shit but states goals, learn the diffrence.
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 No.398906

>>398896
Assuming unlimited energy doesn't solve your issues. "currently" here effectively comes down to "and then we dump all our trash in the matter recycler and the star trek grade replicator does molecular 3d printing of literally anything we need" in order to work within the constraints of rocketry.
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 No.398919

>>398896
>*currently
Unless those near earth asteroids have petroleum in them or any of the billion other things a space station needs to support human life then it still means fuck all dumb dumb
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 No.398923

>>398919
Ok, this post is extremely retarded. Why does a space station need fucking petroleum? Lmao, asteroids are full of water and other shit, you need only water and electricity to create fuel and oxygen. You can even use the sabatier reaction to filter out CO2 from the air and produce Methane.
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 No.398947

>>398923
>space stations have no need for plastics, lubricants, fertilizers or other vital petroleum products

You're a fucking dipshit and have no idea what is required for a self sustaining community in space
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 No.398959

>>398947
You don't need plastics and the rest you can get without petroleum
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 No.399008

>>398959
yeah whatever retard
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 No.399014

>>399008
>no argument
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 No.399692

>>399008
In space, metal is literally bumping into you in the form of micro asteroids and human scale of mass doesn't matter in space thus what is the point of plastic when in space even tungsten would be far cheaper the plastic on Earth?
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 No.400050

>>399692
The real prize of space is landing on specific larger asteroids to mine them properly, not through catching micro asteroids. Micro asteroids are more likely to cause structural damage than be something that can be harvested to form said structures.
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 No.400063

>>398807
Problem is all the world's governments are putting their money into preparing to destroy each other. Not going to space. The Space Race was a quirk.
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 No.400068

>>400063
that the space race was the closest thing to "Real Capitalism" the world has seen yet and yet was entirely conducted between two governments remains highly amusing to me.
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 No.400069

>>400068
And one of them was communist! First as tragedy then as farce I suppose.
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 No.400089

>>399692
>In space, metal is literally bumping into you in the form of micro asteroids
At incredibly high speeds, causing damage that requires constant repair.

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