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 No.396641[Last 50 Posts]

Russia today is much weaker than the Romanov Empire, which existed from 1613 to 1917, or the Soviet Union. Russia's biggest problem is Internal: this huge Eurasian country could not create a national identity that would cover its entire population. Millions of Russian citizens are doubtfully loyal to their state, and as soon as Moscow loosens its tight control over local elections, which is likely to happen only when Putin is no longer president, these groups will seek independence. Separatism is a time bomb, which Putin is so afraid of, will explode in 10, 20 years.

Why? Here are the three main reasons:

First, and most importantly, the separatist impulses inside Russia are strong. As two examples, let's take Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, two ethnic autonomous republics in the center of Russia. There are strong nationalist organizations in these republics-Azatlyk (Union of Tatar Youth) and Bashkir Kuk Bure (Heavenly Wolf)-which call for unity with other Turkic-speaking and Finno-Ugric peoples of the region. Both still keep the memory of the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, which occurred in 1552 and led to the fact that for five hundred years there has been a sense of loss in both republics. As we saw during the Russian-Chechen wars of the 1990s and early 2000s, in which tens of thousands of people died, separatist movements in Russia can be bloody and prolonged. These may not be only ethnic minorities: ethnic Russians living in Siberia, the Urals and the Far East, rich in natural resources, have tried several times to achieve independence, and the Kremlin's predatory policy in these regions contributes to this in every possible way.

Under Putin's successor, the country's tense unity may finally give way to these separatist plans. One can only guess who will be the next ruler, but it is likely that Putin will personally choose him or her at the very end of his term of office, and it is unclear whether this successor will be able to continue the strong grip that Putin held on various groups and regions. And, in the absence of a system of checks and balances or any other strong institutions in Russia, this level of control may simply be necessary to ensure the existence of the country as a whole. So Vyacheslav Volodin, deputy head of the Kremlin administration, can see how his famous words come true: "If there is Putin, there is Russia; if there is no Putin , there is no Russia."

Secondly, the unifying ideology of Russia today simply does not have the power that its predecessors possessed. Vladislav Surkov, a long-time Putin aide, claims that Russia has entered a new historical stage: "Putin's long state" (a global ideology that, according to him, is as attractive to followers as Marxism). In fact, Putinism is a fiery mixture of Eurasianism and what the Russian ultraconservative philosopher Alexander Dugin calls the fourth political theory. Eurasianism is a school of thought that emerged in the 1920s among Russian anti-communist emigrants. He [Dugin] stands for the exclusive and messianic role of Russia as a civilization that exists on its own terms, which is not part of either the East or the West. The fourth political theory is designed to unite the" best " of fascism and communism in a new crusade against liberalism. Dugin proposes to remove atheism and the equal distribution of wealth from communism and racism from fascism, continuing mainly their joint mission.

Despite the fact that such an ideology may seem frightening, it is not comparable [in its strength] with either Tsarism or Marxism-Leninism, the two ideologies that previously dominated in Russia. The sacredness of the Tsar has been a real bond for the Russian people for many centuries. Marxist-Leninist ideas of equality and the distribution of wealth were really attractive in many countries in the post-colonial era.

Finally, the current intellectual and economic conditions in Russia pale in comparison with the situation during the tsarist Empire or the Soviet Union. Under the tsarist regime, Europeans came to Russia to practice medicine, teach at universities, conduct research and open a business. The Soviet government created a relatively comfortable life for some leading scientists (as long as they did not go against the system). Today, higher education and science in Russia are in a catastrophically miserable state. The economy is based on the pumping of natural resources and shows no signs of modernization. The most significant sign is that the children of the Russian elite prefer to study and live in the West.

The world should be ready for the collapse of Russia.
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 No.396651

ok, CIA
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 No.396656

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 No.396660

I bet you felt really smart writing this crap, only to realize what written diarrhea this is.
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 No.396661

One event which could happen that throws Russia over the edge is a potential war with Ukraine. I think such decision would be extremely unpopular and depending on Russia's performance it could seriously destabilize the country. If that ever happens communists should seize the opportunity if it presents itsel, however after the deescalation early this year it might take a few more years for things to heat up again.
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 No.396662

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>>396641
>Russia is coming to an end - is there any salvation?
I don't believe it, until I see it. Such predictions have been many the past few years, all of which turned out to be nothingburgers.
At this point, it seems that the CIA lost its ability to reliably overthrow governments and copes as a result. The USA might fall before current Russia at this rate…
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 No.396672

Let's hope not. That will just give the burgerfaggots an advantage and a chance to get ever closer to China to choke them.

I would choose Dugin over a faggot color revolution any day.
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 No.396673

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I feel very bad for Russian people, dissolution of Russia would be catastrophic for them
>>396660
Dissolution of Russia is something that many analysists talk about and it's something that dangerous. İt's still have small chance but still possible


TL;DR; Putin should do what Xi is doing with Turks
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 No.396680

What a fucking joke, this post. Nordstream II was just completed and Russia has basically mended the Sino-Soviet split within the last few years. Climate change will also make Russia a potential breadbasket of the world.

Cope and seethe, motherfucker.
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 No.396681

>>396673
You’re right, the likelihood of the of Russia dissolving is as likely as the US dissolving. It’s a one in ten thousand chance to get struck by lightning so there’s a chance, even though it’s miniscule. Totally dude. Totes.
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 No.396685

>>396641
What I noticed, you post with the Stalin stache, and probably identify as some "anti-revisionist" of some sort, yet you constantly post cartoons made by Russiagating American liberals depciting Putin as some sort of Slavic Untermensch or Hitler. Curious, huh?
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 No.396686

>>396641
>The fourth political theory is designed to unite the" best " of fascism and communism in a new crusade against liberalism

No, it's not. Read Dugin. I'm not a fan of him, but it's more about the question of existence than anything else.
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 No.396689

>>396685
This is the first caricature of Putin that I came across on the Internet. It fully conveys the meaning of Putin's rule - Russia is a raw material colony held on bayonets and the stupefying of the population through religion.
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 No.396694

The Romanovs didn't have nukes, OP
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 No.396695

>>396689
>will explode in 10, 20 years.
This just reminds of Xi's promise of "socialism in x-years, honest."

Come on, mustache, you're better than this…
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 No.396697

The US is more divided and unstable than Russia tbh
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 No.396700

>>396641
>Russia today is much weaker than the Romanov Empire
very odd statement, Russia Today is just a news network. If you compare the Romanov empire to the Russian federation, then it's a different matter. Nobody could seriously threaten to invade Russia without ending the world, the Romanov's couldn't even maintain their territorial integrity.

>The world should be ready for the collapse of Russia.

your post says nothing to support this claim
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 No.396715

Modern Russia is much less divided in national terms than the tsarist empire, for starters Russians are a clear majority, in the empire they were actually a minority.
The real division in Russia is class, as it is in every capitalist country.
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 No.396725

>>396715
>The real division in Russia is class, as it is in every capitalist country.
İn Russia it's higher
There is literally like sci-fi novels (like Hunger Games) where large portions of country works for "city of elites". There are still normal-people in Moscow too but you had get my point. İt's not comperable to NY or London
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 No.396727

>>396725
Have you ever been in Russia even? I lived in Moscow for several years, it is not a "city of elites". Just your usual big city in capitalist country with few good stuff left over from socialist era (like subway)
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 No.396730

>>396641
I wouldn't mind tbh
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 No.396732

Why does /leftypol/ have such cuckboner for russia?

I'm not talking about subhuman retards like >>396672 but the knee-jerk reaction whenever anyone says anything bad about russia.
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 No.396744

>>396732


hate of america leads to some supporting literally any enemy of the US, even a capitalist mafia state like russia
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 No.396749

>>396732
Because that stuff is obviously used to manufacture imperialist consent to legitimize Western aggression. Russia is also objectively an anti-imperialist country that will support states such as Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Syria, which are all under acute imperialist attack.
>b-but I am against imperialism too! you can criticize both at the same time
Not when the critique is as retarded as OPs, and even when they are not, it doesn't matter what you support or believe, these talking points (muh gayerinos, hurr oligarchs [why not just say capitalists? Why are European capitalists "capitalists" but Russian ones "oligarchs"?], hurr Gazprom) will inevitably be regurgitated in liberal media and the imperialist consensus. Just look at this retard >>396744

So you should not "both side" them as one side is anti-imperialist and the other one encircles Russia in Eastern Europe and West Asia, trying to overthrow it.
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 No.396756

>>396749
>Russia is also objectively an anti-imperialist country that will support states such as Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Syria, which are all under acute imperialist attack.
You just had to go full retard, didn't you?
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 No.396759

>>396756
>You just had to go full retard, didn't you?
We've been over this a dozen times, and every time I blew you bitches out of the water. There is no way you can argue that Russia is an imperialist country.
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 No.396769

>>396759
Yeah, their armies in Syria because they like to support the little guy, not because they want a piece of imperialist pie. Russia today is a bit like Imperial Russia before revolution and like Germany before WWI and WWII. A capitalist country with imperialist ambitions. Crimea and Syria are their first steps towards that.

>We've been over this a dozen times, and every time I blew you bitches out of the water.

I remember last time i had thos coversation my opponent (maybe even you) left after he accused me of being westoid liberal pretending to be russian and never responded again after i posted photos proving him to be wrong.
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 No.396771

>>396749
>Russia is also objectively an anti-imperialist country
What the fuck
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 No.396773

>>396759
>There is no way you can argue that Russia is an imperialist country.
Your first response to me and you are already shifting goalposts. There is a difference between not being imperialist and being anti-imperialist.

Pathetic.
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 No.396776

>>396727
well, moscow and petrograd definitely aren't your averige russian city. the capital and tourist destination usually look "better" than most of other cities/ towns
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 No.396778

>>396771
Anti-imperialism is when against America, and the more against America the more anti-imperialist
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 No.396780

>>396776
Yes, like most other big cities in capitalist countries. That is not the same as "literally like sci-fi novels (like Hunger Games)"
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 No.396781

>>396778
At last I truly see
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 No.396782

>>396732
Yeah, but you don't have an argument though.
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 No.396784

>>396749
>Anti-imperialism is when you do rationalized realpolitik and add nations that have been pushed asside by your rival to you sphere

>>396759
>There is no way Russia is imperialist
What is Chechnya? What is Belarus for fucks sake? You do realize Putka is a buddy of the opposition oligarchs and if anything the Burgeroid colour revolutionaries would have just played into his hands if they succeeded, right? What the fuck is Gazprom then? A wholesome 100 state-planned / worker-coop company? Or a fucking oligarch manned imperialist tool of economic soft power?

I repeat again. You Maupinoid retards would all have supported the Kaiser 100% just becasue he was against Engurland.
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 No.396788

>>396784
>You Maupinoid retards would all have supported the Kaiser 100% just becasue he was against Engurland.
Critical support for Hitler against British imperialism.
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 No.396791

Rebellious Russians are still Russians. Just do what the Soviets did and this whole “ethnic tension” should sort itself out
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 No.396796

>>396791
А что сделали?
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 No.396823

>>396769
>Yeah, their armies in Syria because they like to support the little guy, not because they want a piece of imperialist pie.
Where the fuck did I imply they are doing what they do out of benevolence? Do you know why I added "objectively"? They were invited by the Syrian government to prevent the country from becoming another Afghanistan, and their military base there existed since the Soviet times. Like every capitalist state, Russia eventually desires to become imperialist, but it is precluded to do so due to the material conditions at home (commodity-exporting country instead of a capital exporter, the lack of a dominating financial sector as the biggest banks in Russia are state-owned development banks that finance bridges in Crimea and shit like that, etc.) and of course, imperialist pressure from the US and the EU.
>Russia today is a bit like Imperial Russia
Only a complely lobotomized lib who thinks that Russia is inherently evil would say shit like that. So modern Russia is a racist, anti-semitic empire, a "prisonhouse of nations" with panslavic ambition, wanting to turn Eastern Europe into some sort of Slavic supremacist Tsardom?
>Crimea
Don't make me fucking laugh.
<imperialism is when you hold referendums in countries that just had a neoliberal color revolution aided by fascist bandits

>>396771
Facts don't care about your feelings.

>>396773
>There is a difference between not being imperialist and being anti-imperialist.
The countries which are not imperialist but not anti-imperialist either are vassals of imperialism. Like Ukraine. Russia is anti-imperialist, suck my dick.

>>396778
Wow, really got me there. Lenin debunked in one sentence!

>>396784
>Anti-imperialism is when you do rationalized realpolitik and add nations that have been pushed asside by your rival to you sphere
<to have an objective category applied to you, you must be driven by my morals, not by realpolitik
Leftoids and their love for outdated geopolitical realism, name a more iconic duo.
>What is Chechnya?
You tell me. How is Chechnya an indicator for imperialism? Do you want to break away every oblast from Russia when it's populated by a national majority?
What is Belarus for fucks sake?
What about Belarus, idiot? They sell them subsidized oil and gas. And no, a regional hegemony does not mean something is "imperialist". That's like saying France is imperialist against Monaco because a small city-state will obviously be influenced to a high degree by the big coutnry next to it (France is overall imperialist, of course).
>You do realize Putka is a buddy of the opposition oligarchs
Is that why they end up in labor camps regularly?
>if anything the Burgeroid colour revolutionaries would have just played into his hands if they succeeded, right?
In what fucking way? Ah yes, Putin is secretely an agent for the West.
>What the fuck is Gazprom then?
A mostly state-owned energy corporation that export commodities.
>A wholesome 100 state-planned / worker-coop company?
You are a fucking idiot.
>Or a fucking oligarch manned imperialist tool of economic soft power?
I am sure there is corrpution going on to a degree, but that doesn't make a country imperialist. Is Swaziland imperialist? Because they are very corrupt.
>I repeat again. You Maupinoid retards would all have supported the Kaiser 100% just becasue he was against Engurland.
The German Empire was very obviously an imperialist country.
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 No.396832

>>396823
when it's populated by a national minority*
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 No.396834

>>396796
No I don’t speak Russian, just somebody who’d rather an anti imperialist nation not be subverted
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 No.396835

>>396823
>Where the fuck did I imply they are doing what they do out of benevolence? Do you know why I added "objectively"? They were invited by the Syrian government to prevent the country from becoming another Afghanistan, and their military base there existed since the Soviet times. Like every capitalist state, Russia eventually desires to become imperialist, but it is precluded to do so due to the material conditions at home (commodity-exporting country instead of a capital exporter, the lack of a dominating financial sector as the biggest banks in Russia are state-owned development banks that finance bridges in Crimea and shit like that, etc.) and of course, imperialist pressure from the US and the EU.
Don't see any argument supporting your position about Russia being antiimperialist. Guess the only one you can blow with your arguments is yourself. Figures.
>Only a complely lobotomized lib who thinks that Russia is inherently evil would say shit like that. So modern Russia is a racist, anti-semitic empire, a "prisonhouse of nations" with panslavic ambition, wanting to turn Eastern Europe into some sort of Slavic supremacist Tsardom?
Imagine calling anyone a lib and believing tales about "panslavic ambitions". It looks like you were a fucking /pol/yp just yesterday. I was referring to imperialist ambitions of Imperial Russia, which btw did not contain themself in Eastern Europe, you fucking historylet.
>the lack of a dominating financial sector as the biggest banks in Russia are state-owned development banks that finance bridges in Crimea and shit like that, etc.
Ты не шизоид из поповской секты?
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 No.396836

Russia is not an imperialist state. Read World Systems Theory. At most it is a semiperiphery one. Also Russia has scored several victories, recently. They have divested of the $, built new economic ties on the continent, and not to mention preserved the government of Syria.
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 No.396842

>>396836
> Read World Systems Theory
Why waste time on that bullshit even?
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 No.396853

>>396835
>Don't see any argument supporting your position about Russia being antiimperialist. Guess the only one you can blow with your arguments is yourself. Figures.
I did. You do not make any attempt of disproving that Russia is imperialist, so I assume you concede here. As for the anti-imperialism, I already explained to you, you are either imperialist, a vassal of imperialism, or anti-imperialist. There can be nothing in-between unless you count uncontacted indigeneous tribes. And my concrete examples were Russian mutual aid and support for countries facing imperialist onslaught.
>Imagine calling anyone a lib and believing tales about "panslavic ambitions".
Pan-slavism was an important ideology in Eastern Europe at the time. It was a driving force behind Russia's support for Serbia on an ideological level. And the quote "prisonhouse of nations" is from Lenin directly. I guess Lenin is also a /pol/yp.
>I was referring to imperialist ambitions of Imperial Russia, which btw did not contain themself in Eastern Europe, you fucking historylet.
So the Russian Federation now tries to encroach on Manchuria and Japan, too? kek, this gets better every time.
Ты не шизоид из поповской секты?
No. Did you stop beating your girlfriend?
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 No.396867

>>396727
What the fuck are you talking about ?!?! Moscow is #3 at number of billionaires and it's horrific if you look at their total number of billionaires and net wealth per-capita. I'm not even talking about millionaires ??
Did you live in your house at Moscow?? "Moscow City" is totally different from Moscow itself also, did you visit there??
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 No.396882

>>396853
>I did
You did what? Blow yourself? Yeah, that's what i said. Jesus, i guess neither english or russian are your first languages? I can't imagine why you are so bad at them.
>You do not make any attempt of disproving that Russia is imperialist
I did not, because i agree that Russia is imperialist.
>And my concrete examples were Russian mutual aid and support for countries facing imperialist onslaught.
Ahahahahaha. I guess support is when you send troops so they can establish a zone in a foreign territory from which you can extract resources. Schizo time.
>Pan-slavism was an important ideology in Eastern Europe at the time. It was a driving force behind Russia's support for Serbia on an ideological level.
Like i said previously, you drink liberal idealist piss and have balls to call anyone else here a lib.
>And the quote "prisonhouse of nations" is from Lenin directly. I guess Lenin is also a /pol/yp.
First of all, it's not Lenin who first called it this. Second, if you wanna hide behind Lenin you better quote him on resons for first world war or something that would support your schizo "antiimperialism" bullshit.
>So the Russian Federation now tries to encroach on Manchuria and Japan, too? kek, this gets better every time.
No, Crimea and Syria. And no, referendum literally doesn't matter. Russia is in Crimea not because of some referendum, it is just a way to legitimize their presense.
Imagine being such a stupid faggot that you can even think in abstarctions and think that i was literally talking about Manchuria when i mentioned Imperial Russia. I don't know how you still alive because i think that it would be to hard for you to tie your shoes and breathe at the same time.
>No. Did you stop beating your girlfriend?
Like i said, you don't understand neither english nor russian. Go take your meds schizo and flee back to /pol/.
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 No.396897

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>>396867
>What the fuck are you talking about ?!?!
That's what i was asking you, retard.
>Moscow is #3 at number of billionaires and it's horrific if you look at their total number of billionaires and net wealth per-capita.
Less than China or USA.
>İt's not comperable to NY or London
Picrel says otherwise.
>Moscow City" is totally different from Moscow itself also, did you visit there??
And Wall Street is different from the rest of the NY, who would've guessed.

At least try to make a coherent argument why it's " like sci-fi novels (like Hunger Games)" or why it is "not comperable to NY or London"
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 No.396908

>>396695
Anti-Russia Stalinstache is literally one of the worst posters on this board. He isn’t better than this.
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 No.396935

>>396897
Did you even understand what did i write ??
The Thing is USA does have 724 and China does have 698 billionaires while Russia does only have 117.
Those five Chinese city only does have ~350~ billionaires, NY only have 100 and London only have 66 while Moscow have about 80, so most of them
İf you look at median-wealth of Russians and other countries with billionaires;
US: 80K , Canada: 125K, UK: 130K, Germany: 65K, China: 35K while Russia is only 5K
How Moscow is not city of oligarchs? Not all US-billionaires live around Wall-St but most of Russian oligarchs too
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 No.396938

>>396935
do* not too
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 No.396945

I mean, the separation of the eastern bloc was basically this and the reverberations can still be felt to this day. Look at Ukraine.
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 No.396953

One thing I disagree with, more an aside about duigin: The notion that communism is some how about equality and wealth distribution. That's just plain out revisionist.
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 No.396962

>>396882
>I did not, because i agree that Russia is imperialist.
I think you meant to say "isn't". Not a good look after mocked me for English being my second language, idiot.
>Ahahahahaha. I guess support is when you send troops so they can establish a zone in a foreign territory from which you can extract resources.
They occupy the zone together with the SAA. It's not a cut-off zone. Don't project America occupying a third of the country while extracting their oil on Russia.
>Like i said previously, you drink liberal idealist piss and have balls to call anyone else here a lib.
I am not the one claiming "imperialism is when soldiers do stuff". Imperialism always expresses itself through reaction at home. The Russian Empire had problems with antisemitism and repression of minorities. The Russian Federation does not, at least not in such a quality.
>First of all, it's not Lenin who first called it this. Second, if you wanna hide behind Lenin you better quote him on resons for first world war or something that would support your schizo "antiimperialism" bullshit.
Did I say Lenin called it this first? Lenin made a point about revolutionary defeatism in inter-imperialist conflicts. This is not the case today, because the Russian Federation is not imperialist, whereas the West is.
>No, Crimea and Syria.
<comparing a referendum and saving a country from whabism is the same as trying to partition china and declaring war on Japan
The absolute state of you right now. And as I said before, I don't care what the motivations of the Russian governments are. It's very clear that the secession of Crimea was a defensive reaction of NATO encroachment upon and fascist tendencies within Ukraine. Funny you mention abstractions, because you seem to be quite autistic with them (every action that looks similar on the surface = the same).
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 No.396966

>>396962
defensive reaction against*
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 No.396973

>>396788
National Bolshevism is the foundation of Israel.
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 No.397245

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>>396641
>CIA trying to shill with stash posting and nothingburger
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 No.397878

>>396962
>I think you meant to say "isn't".
No, read, uygha. My whole argument is that Russia engages in imperialism. Seriously, you are one illiterate faggot.
>They occupy the zone together with the SAA. It's not a cut-off zone. Don't project America occupying a third of the country while extracting their oil on Russia.
They literally do this shit. Details don't matter the goal is the same - extract profits from occupied region, directly or indirectly.
>I am not the one claiming "imperialism is when soldiers do stuff".
Why are you so stupid? I called you idealist because you think that the war was started because of some "panslavinism" bullcrap. not because of imperialist ambitions, expansions of the markets and profit extraction. The fact that you couldn't even understand why i criticized you is how i know you are just some shitlib, probably from /pol/ and you never actually read Lenin.
>Lenin made a point about revolutionary defeatism in inter-imperialist conflicts. This is not the case today, because the Russian Federation is not imperialist, whereas the West is.
Again, don't hide behind Lenin with your bullshit. Lenin called for defeatism in ANY imperialist war, doesn't matter if your country is imperialist or not, becuase first you need to deal with porkies in your own country.
>muh referendum
>I don't care what the motivations of the Russian governments are
So you are nothing but shitty nationalist hiding behind communist rethoric. Thanks for actually admitting it. Now fuck off, /pol/yp.
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 No.397895

>>396897
In China the oligarchy has little to no real power or influence. They are politicized but that politicization makes them subject to the highest scrutiny, this means once you hit the billionaires club you are a bitch of the government and if you aren't paying your dues to the government you get prison time or get your shit seized. Our billionaires here are not subject to such scrutiny, and the closest we've ever come to billionaire accountability was in Bretton-Woods era. But that was the "closest" not 1:1 how China fucks their billionaires up the ass.

Bretton-Woods was: be patriotic and help out the government

China is: if you don't do what we tell you to do, you will get the bullet and we're going to take your shit.
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 No.397905

>>396641
Ah, yes, I remember when the CIA said that in 5 years Russia will implode
>in 1997
lmao, OP, is that a copy&pasta?
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 No.397907

>>396732
Hi, OP. Suck a dick a chock on it.
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 No.397908

>>397895
>In China the oligarchy has little to no real power or influence.
Cope, dengoid. You don't understand how capitalism works. Or anything else, for that matter.
>They are politicized but that politicization makes them subject to the highest scrutiny, this means once you hit the billionaires club you are a bitch of the government and if you aren't paying your dues to the government you get prison time or get your shit seized.
Putin fucked some oligarchs too. That means nothing, just an internal struggle within capitalist power.
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 No.397916

>>397908
What a mean post :(
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 No.397926

>>396769
>Yeah, their armies in Syria because they like to support the little guy,
Imperialism is when you're invited by the legitimate govrrnment of Syria into Syria
Whilst the US illegally occupies oil wells to (quoting trump) "take the oil" and whilst the US occupies wheat fields to starve the Syrian people
These two things are exactly the same
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 No.397927

>>397908
You didn't make any good points.
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 No.397935

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>>396769
>Yeah, their armies in Syria because they like to support the little guy, not because they want a piece of imperialist pie. Russia today is a bit like Imperial Russia before revolution and like Germany before WWI and WWII
>implying that the legitimate government of Syria didn't invite Russians.
>mfw
>too late for this shit 🥱
mods should already start to ban this shit.
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 No.397939

>>396784
You obviously dont understand what imperialism is
Imperialism is not when you restore order in your own nation (Checyna)
And its not when you're invited into a neighbouring country to help fend off a cia backed colour revolution
>>396778
>Anti-imperialism is when against America, and the more against America the more anti-imperialist
Youre getting it. Disgusting Burgers have 900+ military bases worldwide and to sustain their empire they setup loyal comprador stooges in governments worldwide
Through their think tanks they export sociopathic libertarian, conservatism, climate change denial and pro capitalist ideology(go into your local bookstore and see how many books on socialist topics are written bt bourgeois professors from the united states)

Hell even Sir Keir Starmer of the labour party is a trilateral commission member which was setup by David Rockefella and Zgniew Brisinski

Burgerland has spread its tentacles all over the globe to the point anti imperialism is synonymous with anti americanism and both are based
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 No.397947

>>396686
Dugin is a simp for fascism and entered politics as a vehement anticommunist and prominent member of underground russian neonazi groups in the former USSR. Of course no communist should show him any sympathy.
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 No.397950

>>396732
America is bad
America says Russia is bad
Therefore Russia is good

Or at least that's the logic this site uses
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 No.397954

>>396749
Let's compare imperialist powers to predatory animals.
America = tiger
Russia = caracal

They're both imperialists, but Russia is a lot less powerful. They're also a declining power, which is why you tend to see them on the defensive.
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 No.397959

>>396778
Critical support to the Axis Powers in their struggle against the Anglo Axis of Evil
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 No.397969

>>396823
>They were invited by the Syrian government to prevent the country from becoming another Afghanistan, and their military base there existed since the Soviet times.
Syria was in Russia's sphere of influence, with Russian companies owning a number of assets in the region. The Syrian Proxy War is an inter-imperialist conflict, and not even just between the United States and Russia, but also between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
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 No.397973

>>397895
Why are you talking about China?
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 No.397975

>>397905
No worse than when Leftypol thinks America is about to collapse whenever something bad happens there
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 No.397980

>>397959
>Critical support to the Axis Powers in their struggle against the Anglo Axis of Evil
Yeah that's a good comparison and not totally moronic

The axis supported
- DPRK (socialist country) against Western aggression
-Cuba (socialist) against Western aggression
-Venezuela (making minor steps toward socialism) against aggression from the Burgers
-Nicaragua (taking steps toward socialism or at least a social-democracy which is unaccetpable to USA)
-China which is run by a communist party

Oh wait the axis did none of that but Russia does do
>>397969
>Syria was in Russia's sphere of influence, with Russian companies owning a number of assets in the region. The Syrian Proxy War is an inter-imperialist conflict, and not even just between the United States and Russia, but also between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
"muh interimperialist conflict"
Even as a bourgeois nation Syria has the right to self determination. Russia went in on the side of the Syrian people and Burgerland went in on the side of the jihadis

Communists support right of self determination of nations for a reason
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch01.htm
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 No.397981

>>397980
>Burgerland went in on the side of the jihadis
They supported the same people who are "against them"!?
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 No.397984

Пиздец вы понаписали хуйни. Ужас какой-то.
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 No.397985

>>397981
Yes. America's ally Israel gives aid to Al Qaeda. It's also speculated by independent journalists that Israel was the purchaser of ISIL petroleum..
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 No.397986

>>397985
Oh thanks for the information! Definitely adds to my insight!
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 No.397987

Janny is a coward and a subhuman for deleting posts that rely on factual data to reach logical conclusions.
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 No.397988

>>397980
>Russia went in on the side of the Syrian people
Yes I'm sure that one side has more support than another in any proxy conflict. That doesn't make it not a proxy conflict, or an inter-imperialist one.
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 No.397989

>>397981
>They supported the same people who are "against them"!?
It makes perfect sense for war as a business.
Support rebel group against terrorism
the rebel group becomes new terrorism
support next rebel group against terrorism
repeat
that's how you manufacturer demand for a never ending war
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 No.397993

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>>397980
> -China which is run by a communist party

So bourgerland anti-imperialist now?
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 No.397994

>>397981
Look up "Operation Timber Sycamore"
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 No.397996

>>397994
Thanks for the resource!
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 No.398006

>>397994
According to the Wiki, America didn't directly arm Jihadists, but some of the arms fell into Jihadi hands afterwards
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 No.398007

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 No.398028

>>397980
>Even as a bourgeois nation Syria has the right to self determination.
there is no "self", there are only competing classes
to abstract from this is to be a useful idiot
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 No.398032

>>398006
What a coincidence!
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 No.398055

>>398032
Do you have any evidence that this was deliberate on the part of the US?
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 No.398068

>>398055
>Us top officials explicitly say "Assad must go"
>Cia starts funneling weapon into Syria
<"Mysteriously" those weapons end up in jihadi hands

Stop being so naive.
Look up also "Operation Cyclone".
Its not even the first time.
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 No.398072

>>398068
There are other explanations, like black markets and non-Jihadis fighting alongside Jihadis. Operation Cyclone was from 1979-1989, before the modern War on Terror and the Syrian Civil War. I would to see documentation that the US deliberately sought to arm Jihadis during the Syrian Civil War. If you cannot provide such documentation, then we are engaging in pure speculation.
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 No.398080

>>397980
>Communists support right of self determination of nations for a reason
such support is always conditional, in some cases 'self-determination' is to be fought against
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 No.398082

>>398080
Such as the Uyghur and Tibetan self determination movements. Also HK.
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 No.398084

How come France went through a whole century of class struggle after the fall of the first republic but Russia has remained stagnant? Is Putin that efficient in putting brakes on Russian polity?
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 No.398087

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>>397895
>In China the oligarchy has little to no real power or influence.
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 No.398109

>>397993
Na burgerland (back then) was clever enough to divide the world communist movement and get the Chinese on their side during the cold war to pursue their geopolitical objectives of containment against Soviet union

They played their cards well

Now they are too stupid and have pushed China/Russia and Iran together which will overthrow the Atlanticist degenerates and the world order they created
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 No.398134

>>397984
Охранители с либералами срутся. Походу коммунистов на сайте уже не осталось.
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 No.398156

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This whole thread shows that our understanding of imperialism and anti-imperialism needs some serious updating. Armchairs tearing each other apart over whether to "support" (read root for it like a football team) Russia is an absolute gutter low for Leftist dialectic. I'm waiting in excited anticipation for the day some Western "ML" book club member tells me my efforts to build solidarity with Russian kabour organizers are "objectively pro CIA and anti-anti-imperialist".

I actually agree that Russia is - as of now - an anti-imperialist force, but this uncritical Russia stanning is the height of cringe. We must remember that the working class has its own interests that can't simply be linearilly imposed on geopolitics. A worker's movement is built on internationalism and solidarity between all workers. In the West we must oppose anti Russian war propaganda and liberal imperial propaganda. But as far as Russia is concerned, the only forces to support are the forces of the working class - meaning labour organizations and Communists. To this end, it's both necessary and a matter of basic solidarity to see the Russian state for what it is - a rotten mafia state corrupted to its core by the oligarchy. That this overlaps with the liberal narrative does not change the facts and does not necessitate the same ideological conclusions.

And the same goes for China
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 No.398223

>>398156
Word for word.
The problem with Russia though is that KPRF is even more boomer tier than Greece's KKE.
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 No.398295

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Everything west of the Urals implodes into race-war and being a western colony forevermore.
Commies and North-Asian chads hold everything east of the Urals (aka Siberia and the far east) with some nukes and the help of the ChiComs and Norks (ironically)
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 No.398367

>>396641
Sorry CIA/FBI/NED/whatever, don't care, didn't read, and >>396680 is 100% right about Russia becoming the future breadbasket of the world. Cope and seethe faggot.
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 No.398573

>>397950
Yes, and you can leave this place whenever you want and be cozy with CIA/FBI honeypots.
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 No.398603

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>>397975
>>397975
Well, at least we don't parrot the FSB/Chinese intelligence agencies talking points because so far they don't say the U.S. is on the brink of a collapse.
Listen, moron, you can be all the patriotic you want, but the best way to be an American patriot is to be anti-Antimerican
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 No.398798

>>398006
one of the group receiving weapons was al nosra, aka al qaeda in syria
basically all the anti assad groups were jihadists, the other groups were barely existing fiction propped up by intelligence service to make it seem like they weren't straight up arming islamists, but thats what they were objectively doing. Basically plausible deniability

also
>According to the Wiki
wikipedia is a pile of garbage for anything controversial, you still cant point out how the chemical attacks were obvious false flag and the cover up of it by OIAC direction against the wish of the analysts. That it is on wikipedia just show how not hidden that shit is.


>>398156
good post. Reminder to shit on both the retards uncritically supporting of any political force in feud with the US, and the libs using shit argument to justify imperialism and US dominance
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 No.398966

>>398798
>one of the group receiving weapons was al nosra, aka al qaeda in syria
I cannot find any sources saying that the US armed them directly. Rather, the information I have gathered suggests that the US gave arms to other groups, with those arms, by various means, ending up in Al-Nusra hands later on. Can you provide me any sources that say the US directly armed Al-Nusra and/or wanted its arms to end up in their hands?
>basically all the anti assad groups were jihadists, the other groups were barely existing fiction propped up by intelligence service to make it seem like they weren't straight up arming islamists, but thats what they were objectively doing. Basically plausible deniability
What evidence do you have that this is the case?
>wikipedia is a pile of garbage for anything controversial
Provide a better source then
>you still cant point out how the chemical attacks were obvious false flag and the cover up of it by OIAC direction against the wish of the analysts.
I wasn't talking about those attacks, and I honestly am not knowledgeable enough about the subject to say if they were done by Assad or not

Just to be clear, I am not trying to justify US intervention in the region. Regardless of who they are supporting, it would be best to leave Syria to its own devices. Let the different factions slug it out without outside interference.
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 No.399521

Россия может умереть, но СССР будет жить.
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 No.399610

>>397984
>>398134
Бургеры опять манямир развели, что поделать.

>>398156
The correct take.
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 No.402806

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>>396641
>Russia is coming to an end
Holy based this epic must happen again.

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