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 No.396641[View All]

Russia today is much weaker than the Romanov Empire, which existed from 1613 to 1917, or the Soviet Union. Russia's biggest problem is Internal: this huge Eurasian country could not create a national identity that would cover its entire population. Millions of Russian citizens are doubtfully loyal to their state, and as soon as Moscow loosens its tight control over local elections, which is likely to happen only when Putin is no longer president, these groups will seek independence. Separatism is a time bomb, which Putin is so afraid of, will explode in 10, 20 years.

Why? Here are the three main reasons:

First, and most importantly, the separatist impulses inside Russia are strong. As two examples, let's take Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, two ethnic autonomous republics in the center of Russia. There are strong nationalist organizations in these republics-Azatlyk (Union of Tatar Youth) and Bashkir Kuk Bure (Heavenly Wolf)-which call for unity with other Turkic-speaking and Finno-Ugric peoples of the region. Both still keep the memory of the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, which occurred in 1552 and led to the fact that for five hundred years there has been a sense of loss in both republics. As we saw during the Russian-Chechen wars of the 1990s and early 2000s, in which tens of thousands of people died, separatist movements in Russia can be bloody and prolonged. These may not be only ethnic minorities: ethnic Russians living in Siberia, the Urals and the Far East, rich in natural resources, have tried several times to achieve independence, and the Kremlin's predatory policy in these regions contributes to this in every possible way.

Under Putin's successor, the country's tense unity may finally give way to these separatist plans. One can only guess who will be the next ruler, but it is likely that Putin will personally choose him or her at the very end of his term of office, and it is unclear whether this successor will be able to continue the strong grip that Putin held on various groups and regions. And, in the absence of a system of checks and balances or any other strong institutions in Russia, this level of control may simply be necessary to ensure the existence of the country as a whole. So Vyacheslav Volodin, deputy head of the Kremlin administration, can see how his famous words come true: "If there is Putin, there is Russia; if there is no Putin , there is no Russia."

Secondly, the unifying ideology of Russia today simply does not have the power that its predecessors possessed. Vladislav Surkov, a long-time Putin aide, claims that Russia has entered a new historical stage: "Putin's long state" (a global ideology that, according to him, is as attractive to followers as Marxism). In fact, Putinism is a fiery mixture of Eurasianism and what the Russian ultraconservative philosopher Alexander Dugin calls the fourth political theory. Eurasianism is a school of thought that emerged in the 1920s among Russian anti-communist emigrants. He [Dugin] stands for the exclusive and messianic role of Russia as a civilization that exists on its own terms, which is not part of either the East or the West. The fourth political theory is designed to unite the" best " of fascism and communism in a new crusade against liberalism. Dugin proposes to remove atheism and the equal distribution of wealth from communism and racism from fascism, continuing mainly their joint mission.

Despite the fact that such an ideology may seem frightening, it is not comparable [in its strength] with either Tsarism or Marxism-Leninism, the two ideologies that previously dominated in Russia. The sacredness of the Tsar has been a real bond for the Russian people for many centuries. Marxist-Leninist ideas of equality and the distribution of wealth were really attractive in many countries in the post-colonial era.

Finally, the current intellectual and economic conditions in Russia pale in comparison with the situation during the tsarist Empire or the Soviet Union. Under the tsarist regime, Europeans came to Russia to practice medicine, teach at universities, conduct research and open a business. The Soviet government created a relatively comfortable life for some leading scientists (as long as they did not go against the system). Today, higher education and science in Russia are in a catastrophically miserable state. The economy is based on the pumping of natural resources and shows no signs of modernization. The most significant sign is that the children of the Russian elite prefer to study and live in the West.

The world should be ready for the collapse of Russia.
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 No.397905

>>396641
Ah, yes, I remember when the CIA said that in 5 years Russia will implode
>in 1997
lmao, OP, is that a copy&pasta?
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 No.397907

>>396732
Hi, OP. Suck a dick a chock on it.
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 No.397908

>>397895
>In China the oligarchy has little to no real power or influence.
Cope, dengoid. You don't understand how capitalism works. Or anything else, for that matter.
>They are politicized but that politicization makes them subject to the highest scrutiny, this means once you hit the billionaires club you are a bitch of the government and if you aren't paying your dues to the government you get prison time or get your shit seized.
Putin fucked some oligarchs too. That means nothing, just an internal struggle within capitalist power.
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 No.397916

>>397908
What a mean post :(
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 No.397926

>>396769
>Yeah, their armies in Syria because they like to support the little guy,
Imperialism is when you're invited by the legitimate govrrnment of Syria into Syria
Whilst the US illegally occupies oil wells to (quoting trump) "take the oil" and whilst the US occupies wheat fields to starve the Syrian people
These two things are exactly the same
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 No.397927

>>397908
You didn't make any good points.
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 No.397935

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>>396769
>Yeah, their armies in Syria because they like to support the little guy, not because they want a piece of imperialist pie. Russia today is a bit like Imperial Russia before revolution and like Germany before WWI and WWII
>implying that the legitimate government of Syria didn't invite Russians.
>mfw
>too late for this shit 🥱
mods should already start to ban this shit.
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 No.397939

>>396784
You obviously dont understand what imperialism is
Imperialism is not when you restore order in your own nation (Checyna)
And its not when you're invited into a neighbouring country to help fend off a cia backed colour revolution
>>396778
>Anti-imperialism is when against America, and the more against America the more anti-imperialist
Youre getting it. Disgusting Burgers have 900+ military bases worldwide and to sustain their empire they setup loyal comprador stooges in governments worldwide
Through their think tanks they export sociopathic libertarian, conservatism, climate change denial and pro capitalist ideology(go into your local bookstore and see how many books on socialist topics are written bt bourgeois professors from the united states)

Hell even Sir Keir Starmer of the labour party is a trilateral commission member which was setup by David Rockefella and Zgniew Brisinski

Burgerland has spread its tentacles all over the globe to the point anti imperialism is synonymous with anti americanism and both are based
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 No.397947

>>396686
Dugin is a simp for fascism and entered politics as a vehement anticommunist and prominent member of underground russian neonazi groups in the former USSR. Of course no communist should show him any sympathy.
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 No.397950

>>396732
America is bad
America says Russia is bad
Therefore Russia is good

Or at least that's the logic this site uses
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 No.397954

>>396749
Let's compare imperialist powers to predatory animals.
America = tiger
Russia = caracal

They're both imperialists, but Russia is a lot less powerful. They're also a declining power, which is why you tend to see them on the defensive.
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 No.397959

>>396778
Critical support to the Axis Powers in their struggle against the Anglo Axis of Evil
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 No.397969

>>396823
>They were invited by the Syrian government to prevent the country from becoming another Afghanistan, and their military base there existed since the Soviet times.
Syria was in Russia's sphere of influence, with Russian companies owning a number of assets in the region. The Syrian Proxy War is an inter-imperialist conflict, and not even just between the United States and Russia, but also between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
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 No.397973

>>397895
Why are you talking about China?
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 No.397975

>>397905
No worse than when Leftypol thinks America is about to collapse whenever something bad happens there
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 No.397980

>>397959
>Critical support to the Axis Powers in their struggle against the Anglo Axis of Evil
Yeah that's a good comparison and not totally moronic

The axis supported
- DPRK (socialist country) against Western aggression
-Cuba (socialist) against Western aggression
-Venezuela (making minor steps toward socialism) against aggression from the Burgers
-Nicaragua (taking steps toward socialism or at least a social-democracy which is unaccetpable to USA)
-China which is run by a communist party

Oh wait the axis did none of that but Russia does do
>>397969
>Syria was in Russia's sphere of influence, with Russian companies owning a number of assets in the region. The Syrian Proxy War is an inter-imperialist conflict, and not even just between the United States and Russia, but also between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
"muh interimperialist conflict"
Even as a bourgeois nation Syria has the right to self determination. Russia went in on the side of the Syrian people and Burgerland went in on the side of the jihadis

Communists support right of self determination of nations for a reason
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch01.htm
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 No.397981

>>397980
>Burgerland went in on the side of the jihadis
They supported the same people who are "against them"!?
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 No.397984

Пиздец вы понаписали хуйни. Ужас какой-то.
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 No.397985

>>397981
Yes. America's ally Israel gives aid to Al Qaeda. It's also speculated by independent journalists that Israel was the purchaser of ISIL petroleum..
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 No.397986

>>397985
Oh thanks for the information! Definitely adds to my insight!
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 No.397987

Janny is a coward and a subhuman for deleting posts that rely on factual data to reach logical conclusions.
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 No.397988

>>397980
>Russia went in on the side of the Syrian people
Yes I'm sure that one side has more support than another in any proxy conflict. That doesn't make it not a proxy conflict, or an inter-imperialist one.
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 No.397989

>>397981
>They supported the same people who are "against them"!?
It makes perfect sense for war as a business.
Support rebel group against terrorism
the rebel group becomes new terrorism
support next rebel group against terrorism
repeat
that's how you manufacturer demand for a never ending war
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 No.397993

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>>397980
> -China which is run by a communist party

So bourgerland anti-imperialist now?
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 No.397994

>>397981
Look up "Operation Timber Sycamore"
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 No.397996

>>397994
Thanks for the resource!
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 No.398006

>>397994
According to the Wiki, America didn't directly arm Jihadists, but some of the arms fell into Jihadi hands afterwards
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 No.398007

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 No.398028

>>397980
>Even as a bourgeois nation Syria has the right to self determination.
there is no "self", there are only competing classes
to abstract from this is to be a useful idiot
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 No.398032

>>398006
What a coincidence!
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 No.398055

>>398032
Do you have any evidence that this was deliberate on the part of the US?
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 No.398068

>>398055
>Us top officials explicitly say "Assad must go"
>Cia starts funneling weapon into Syria
<"Mysteriously" those weapons end up in jihadi hands

Stop being so naive.
Look up also "Operation Cyclone".
Its not even the first time.
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 No.398072

>>398068
There are other explanations, like black markets and non-Jihadis fighting alongside Jihadis. Operation Cyclone was from 1979-1989, before the modern War on Terror and the Syrian Civil War. I would to see documentation that the US deliberately sought to arm Jihadis during the Syrian Civil War. If you cannot provide such documentation, then we are engaging in pure speculation.
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 No.398080

>>397980
>Communists support right of self determination of nations for a reason
such support is always conditional, in some cases 'self-determination' is to be fought against
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 No.398082

>>398080
Such as the Uyghur and Tibetan self determination movements. Also HK.
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 No.398084

How come France went through a whole century of class struggle after the fall of the first republic but Russia has remained stagnant? Is Putin that efficient in putting brakes on Russian polity?
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 No.398087

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>>397895
>In China the oligarchy has little to no real power or influence.
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 No.398109

>>397993
Na burgerland (back then) was clever enough to divide the world communist movement and get the Chinese on their side during the cold war to pursue their geopolitical objectives of containment against Soviet union

They played their cards well

Now they are too stupid and have pushed China/Russia and Iran together which will overthrow the Atlanticist degenerates and the world order they created
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 No.398134

>>397984
Охранители с либералами срутся. Походу коммунистов на сайте уже не осталось.
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 No.398156

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This whole thread shows that our understanding of imperialism and anti-imperialism needs some serious updating. Armchairs tearing each other apart over whether to "support" (read root for it like a football team) Russia is an absolute gutter low for Leftist dialectic. I'm waiting in excited anticipation for the day some Western "ML" book club member tells me my efforts to build solidarity with Russian kabour organizers are "objectively pro CIA and anti-anti-imperialist".

I actually agree that Russia is - as of now - an anti-imperialist force, but this uncritical Russia stanning is the height of cringe. We must remember that the working class has its own interests that can't simply be linearilly imposed on geopolitics. A worker's movement is built on internationalism and solidarity between all workers. In the West we must oppose anti Russian war propaganda and liberal imperial propaganda. But as far as Russia is concerned, the only forces to support are the forces of the working class - meaning labour organizations and Communists. To this end, it's both necessary and a matter of basic solidarity to see the Russian state for what it is - a rotten mafia state corrupted to its core by the oligarchy. That this overlaps with the liberal narrative does not change the facts and does not necessitate the same ideological conclusions.

And the same goes for China
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 No.398223

>>398156
Word for word.
The problem with Russia though is that KPRF is even more boomer tier than Greece's KKE.
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 No.398295

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Everything west of the Urals implodes into race-war and being a western colony forevermore.
Commies and North-Asian chads hold everything east of the Urals (aka Siberia and the far east) with some nukes and the help of the ChiComs and Norks (ironically)
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 No.398367

>>396641
Sorry CIA/FBI/NED/whatever, don't care, didn't read, and >>396680 is 100% right about Russia becoming the future breadbasket of the world. Cope and seethe faggot.
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 No.398573

>>397950
Yes, and you can leave this place whenever you want and be cozy with CIA/FBI honeypots.
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 No.398603

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>>397975
>>397975
Well, at least we don't parrot the FSB/Chinese intelligence agencies talking points because so far they don't say the U.S. is on the brink of a collapse.
Listen, moron, you can be all the patriotic you want, but the best way to be an American patriot is to be anti-Antimerican
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 No.398798

>>398006
one of the group receiving weapons was al nosra, aka al qaeda in syria
basically all the anti assad groups were jihadists, the other groups were barely existing fiction propped up by intelligence service to make it seem like they weren't straight up arming islamists, but thats what they were objectively doing. Basically plausible deniability

also
>According to the Wiki
wikipedia is a pile of garbage for anything controversial, you still cant point out how the chemical attacks were obvious false flag and the cover up of it by OIAC direction against the wish of the analysts. That it is on wikipedia just show how not hidden that shit is.


>>398156
good post. Reminder to shit on both the retards uncritically supporting of any political force in feud with the US, and the libs using shit argument to justify imperialism and US dominance
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 No.398966

>>398798
>one of the group receiving weapons was al nosra, aka al qaeda in syria
I cannot find any sources saying that the US armed them directly. Rather, the information I have gathered suggests that the US gave arms to other groups, with those arms, by various means, ending up in Al-Nusra hands later on. Can you provide me any sources that say the US directly armed Al-Nusra and/or wanted its arms to end up in their hands?
>basically all the anti assad groups were jihadists, the other groups were barely existing fiction propped up by intelligence service to make it seem like they weren't straight up arming islamists, but thats what they were objectively doing. Basically plausible deniability
What evidence do you have that this is the case?
>wikipedia is a pile of garbage for anything controversial
Provide a better source then
>you still cant point out how the chemical attacks were obvious false flag and the cover up of it by OIAC direction against the wish of the analysts.
I wasn't talking about those attacks, and I honestly am not knowledgeable enough about the subject to say if they were done by Assad or not

Just to be clear, I am not trying to justify US intervention in the region. Regardless of who they are supporting, it would be best to leave Syria to its own devices. Let the different factions slug it out without outside interference.
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 No.399521

Россия может умереть, но СССР будет жить.
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 No.399610

>>397984
>>398134
Бургеры опять манямир развели, что поделать.

>>398156
The correct take.
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 No.402806

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>>396641
>Russia is coming to an end
Holy based this epic must happen again.

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