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 No.395026[Last 50 Posts]

Is leftypol for indigenous peoples rights or is that just radlib shit? Should the socialist state give them protected land to live on or just force them to assimilate?
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 No.395031

>>395026
why wouldnt we be?
If by rights you mean the right to use reservations as a front for billionaire casino towns then no
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 No.395032

>>395026
Just give them autonomy or independence if they want it. If they want to assimilate, they can do that to. Ultimately, this decision should be up to them.
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 No.395035

ok anglo
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 No.395040

>>395031
I live in Florida. The Seminoles here live like kings

They get upwards of 10k a month for having a child.
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 No.395041

>>395031
Giving them autonomy on their own land
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 No.395042

>>395041
This is nationalist bs. Wanting ethnostates and people getting land cause their race.
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 No.395043

>>395032
How much autonomy will you give them? Should they be allowed to stop the neighboring cities from building on their land or forcing them to live by their standards?
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 No.395045

>>395042
So you want to destroy indigenous people? Killing all the Native Americans and taking their land was a good thing?
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 No.395047

>>395043
>How much autonomy will you give them?
I don't know. I guess just have them pay taxes to the central government and serve in the military while allowing them to have their own laws and social programs? One thing I do know though is that they should be able to try outsiders who commit crimes on their land, which is something they typically aren't able to do (at least in the United States).
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 No.395051

Why are you being an obvious troll? I'm sure most sensible people will ask indians first. True socialists put dialogue above force.
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 No.395055

>>395047
>>395051
You're right I'll just get to the point. How is giving indigenous people autonomy and their own land to exclude others to protect their tradition any different than what right wing trads and nationalists want?
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 No.395059

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 No.395060

>>395055
Native americans were literally genocide? The native americans didn't ask for Americans to come over and take over their land so the least we could do right now is to ask them whether they want to be involved in the Democratic Peoples Republic of America
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 No.395063

Indigenous people in the US don't have a strong influence on politics AFAIK.

The contrary is true in LATAM, the ones that defeated the fascist coup in Bolivia were indegenous people from El Alto, the vast majority of poor indigenous peasants in Peru voted for Castillo, and the President of the Constitutent Assambly in Chile is an indigenous woman.

Antimperialism/Socialism in LatAm is very closely linked with Indigenous people.
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 No.395064

>>395060
That's not what I said. I mean should they be allowed land like they have now to practice their traditions without having to assimilate into other cultures
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 No.395069

>>395060
>democratic peoples republic of america
shut the fuck up larper
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 No.395071

Reservations and reparations similar to the German kind to the Jews. Anything less is I would personally put a bullet in their head so alot of anons here are lucky I'm not charge of any political or military leadership because under a revolutionary government you can bet I would execute anyone who argues against reparations to the Native Americans. Also I'm neither white nor Native American but this issue is something I do not second guess. Anyone who responds to this is most likely a neoliberal imperialist reactionary and no comrade of mine and just as much an enemy of mine as any capitalist, fascist, or neoliberal.
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 No.395072

Replace "native Americans" and "natives" with "white" and read all of op post ITT

This is why nationalism is bs.
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 No.395074

>>395069
Based and National Question-pilled
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 No.395075

>>395071
Go kiss natives feet bud. I'm sure it gets you off
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 No.395076

>>395040
so this is true for every native american? wtf is your point?
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 No.395086

The endeavor to create a stateless and classless society is compatible with indigenous self-determination, just as long as they do not fight us in destroying capitalism.
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 No.395090

>>395074

Meant to reply to >>395071
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 No.395093

>>395055
Indigenous people actually have unique traditions whereas white people's culture has been completely subsumed into modern western culture.
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 No.395099

>>395075
I love when glowies show themselves on here. I like to see you people in the open.
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 No.395103

>>395099
I'm against nationalism.

That you are clearly for
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 No.395106

>>395026
give them land? to what start a racist ethno state no thanks. they should be assimilated by force if needed. diversity is our strength
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 No.395109

>>395071
why pay them when we could just shot the natives and be done with them? like what have they ever done in human history thats worth a damn? nothing they are savages
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 No.395110

>>395072
sounds like you are filled with a deep ethnic hatred for white people? who hurt you summerchild?
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 No.395113

>>395110
Noone should be getting ethnostates or land assigned because of their race.
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 No.395115

>>395055
What would you personally want?
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 No.395117

>>395060
>for Americans to come over and take over their land

never happened. one they never had a concept for property rights and two americans bought all the land. the indians were retarded and sold their shit for glass beads and other trinkets. natives are dumb as rocks. im canadian and i have never met a normal native they are all drunk losers and junkies and super slow in the head
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 No.395118

>>395026
Define rights, as >>395031 says many just get used as fronts by gambling corps to dodge laws against gambling. If by rights you mean a degree of autonomy from the rest of the majority population yes.
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 No.395119

>>395041
Everyone ought to have autonomy to all land everywhere as God intended, don't be a dunce
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 No.395121

>>395093
>Indigenous people actually have unique traditions

like what? smoking pipes and sweating in tents lol

>white people's culture has been completely subsumed into modern western culture.


you deep ethnic hatred of white people is showing…
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 No.395122

>>395059
careful not to cut yourself with that edge
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 No.395123

>>395109
>why pay them when we could just shot the natives and be done with them? like what have they ever done in human history thats worth a damn? nothing they are savages

Hi there, "comrade".
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 No.395124

>>395117
>im canadian
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 No.395126

>>395123
Fine we will call them "counter revolutionaries" then you won't care if they die
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 No.395127

>>395093
Yeah but they would say this is because of assimilation the same thing that indigenous people say.
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 No.395132

>>395126
lol this. you guys are insane.

NOOOOOOO people cant live in homogenous societies we all have to mix up into a weird homogenous culture and destroy diversity to stop racism!!!!! NOOOOOOOO! ethnostates are bad because because they are okay!
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 No.395136

>>395103
You're not even the most basic in terms of the communist perspective on nationality and what it's historically meant for the movement. This makes me believe you're a radlib who hasn't read much so you're just an "anti-nationalist" because of no reason.
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 No.395137

>>395040
>Native Americans statistically the poorest and most drug addicted demographic in the US
[X] Doubt
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 No.395138

>>395127
White people haven't been forcibly 'assimilated' into western culture, they are western culture.
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 No.395140

>>395109
I fucking love it! The glowies came out after my post!
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 No.395141

>>395137
https://archive.naplesnews.com/news/local/in-the-know-seminoles-can-expect-great-income-from-purchase-of-hard-rock-ep-405098881-345725642.html/#:~:text=Is%20there%20any%20information%20as,in%20terms%20of%20annual%20income%3F&text=A%3A%20Each%20member%20of%20the,money%20made%20mostly%20from%20casinos.

>A: Each member of the Seminole Tribe of Florida, even children, now receives a monthly dividend check of $7,000, or $84,000 annually, as his or her share of money made mostly from casinos.


Seminoles are the richest people in Florida easily
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 No.395142

>>395109
Piss off /pol/.
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 No.395143

>>395103
Nationalism is essential as a binding agent to remove class divides. the USSR was deeply nationalist you americans are fucking some of the worst scum on the planet. the average american has got to be the dumbest people on earth. fuck hurry up Xi and genocide these fucking dogs already
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 No.395144

>>395138
You could say that European ethnic diversity has been assimilated into “whiteness”
The thing is, the philosophers and justifiers of past and present European Empires (including, interestingly, even the Romans) invented and defined whiteness.
The modern classification is specifically designed to crush all cultural differences between Europeans and reached its culmination with the 20th Century US, where European immigrants would come and spit on their heritage while also claiming some warped Americanized form of it
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 No.395149

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>>395144
>whiteness
whiteness is a good thing, its a shared identity and ethnocentrism of ethnic european people who share similar phenotypes. you people would never rally against this type of thing in blacks or asians you only do it in whites because you hate white people because of pic related
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 No.395150

>>395149
Post chin
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 No.395151

>>395138
Well not me but a fascist trad boy boy would say modern western culture is due to globalization
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 No.395153

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>>395149
>white
>black
>asians as an identity
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 No.395154

>>395150
He's correct in that you here who love nationalism would support samething if it was black or asian.
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 No.395158

Indigenous people in Brazil live a real genocide since 1500. If you do not understand that this process is part of the construction of the global capitalist system I think you really should learn history. Earth for native people is not an ethnic state policy or anything of type. If you read the minimum about reality in Brazil today, you will discover that the indigenous and peasant peoples are especially from the northern region of the country that combat the forces of capitalism, highly insufflated by the current president. Ironically the Indians do much more by the fight against capitalism than the imbecile that is saying the blunders above. But responding to the creator of the post, no, indigenous rights and laws that preserve their land has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with liberal nonsense.
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 No.395160

>>395144
It's true in a sense that white culture has been erased but that was driven by white people, and the original culture is not anywhere near as different to western culture as native American culture was. There is definitely no way to reclaim any kind of legitimate pre-globalist 'white culture', and while it's probably not possible with native culture either, at least there's some chance and they should be allowed to try if they really want to. Native Americans have been victims of the mainstream culture unlike white people. But look, if someone wants to worship some gay Euro-pagan shit they should be allowed to as well, but they don't have the same claims to oppression as native Americans do.
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 No.395161

>>395153
can someone tell me what a spoke is, i got sterners book in my bag but never read it after i found out he was a degenerate with no moral code
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 No.395164

>>395154
NTA but literally false. Black nationalists are faggots, Asian imperialism is harmful.
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 No.395165

>>395161
He was a progenerate and he had a moral code!
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 No.395166

>>395164
I agree with you. I'm against all nationalism. The posters here that want reparations for native Americans and want them to have their fancy ethnostates are not.
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 No.395167

>>395158
so the answer is racist exclusionary semi autonomous zones within nations so people can live separately but together as one nation. where reciprocity is the goal not diversity and equity
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 No.395170

>>395149
Black is also an artificial construction invented by Europeans, “blackness” did not exist in Africa, “blackness” does not exist in reality, “blackness” is what enslaved Africans of various kingdoms, tribes, and ethnicities became when they arrived in the New World (or alternatively in the hands of Arab empires)
“Black” is a designation implying colonization and enslavement and should be dismantled alongside “whiteness”
“Asian” refers to people either directly from or descended from the (admittedly politically defined) landmass known as Asia
There is no landmass known as “Whiteland” or “Blackland”
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 No.395175

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 No.395176

>>395170
>artificial construction
so? so is everything. woah its words invented to describe natural phenomena like a certain race of people who all look alike. to black people in africa maybe they see themselves as different and their is no shared "blackness" but to me as a white european or to an asian in china all blacks are just that blacks.
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 No.395177

>>395170
>There is no landmass known as “Whiteland” or “Blackland”

yes there is its called Europe and sub-Saharan africa lol. where the fuck do you weirdos get these weird ideas and word games from. was it a jewish professor in college who poisoned your brain?
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 No.395178

>>395137
that's literally true though
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 No.395179

>>395160
> It's true in a sense that white culture has been erased but that was driven by white people
It was driven by colonialists and imperialists to convince the European masses they were at war with the rest of mankind and had a right to dominate them
> There is definitely no way to reclaim any kind of legitimate pre-globalist 'white culture', and while it's probably not possible with native culture either, at least there's some chance and they should be allowed to try if they really want to
I don’t disagree
> But look, if someone wants to worship some gay Euro-pagan shit they should be allowed to as well, but they don't have the same claims to oppression as native Americans do.
Again, no disagreements, though paganism was violently destroyed in Europe by christians
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 No.395180

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https://boundarystones.weta.org/2015/02/21/malcolm-xs-unlikely-washington-connections

You can do your mental gymnastics over it. It's the same shit
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 No.395181

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>why pay them when we could just shot the natives and be done with them? like what have they ever done in human history thats worth a damn? nothing they are savages
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 No.395187

>>395175
and? whats wrong with this. whites do their own thing and blacks do their own thing. then we dont have to hear about constant whining from both sides about how they dislike each other. there is no reciprocity between these two groups so why would they coexist with each other it offers no benefit to either side just constant ethnic fighting and hatred
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 No.395189

>>395176
the anglo will tell you borders are a natural concept and you will buy into it
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 No.395190

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>>395166
>The posters here that want reparations for native Americans and want them to have their fancy ethnostates are not.
Agreed. Last time I checked the consensus was against reparations since it's a 'bandaid solution' which doesn't attempt to treat the cause.
Radlibs need to listen to le black and red black man.
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 No.395191

>>395176
Why should I give a fuck what you think though, some Westernoid from the 21st Century?

Of course you think of Africans as “blacks”, for starters you see them as inferiors, secondly you exist in a world where this classification system has existed for many centuries. Are you fucking retarded? Literally none of this makes the “distinction” any more real. There is no material basis to being “black”. And no it isn’t as in “oh these are just words to classify things, it’s like ‘capitalism’” like no you fucking dipshit, pretty much no human is physically “black” to begin with, secondly there is no material basis to this classification outside of determining who was colonized by Europe and who wasn’t
>>395177
Figures this is a fucking pol thread
Euros should get the bullet nvm
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 No.395192

>>395149
Wrong. There are European groups but there are not white identity in the world but in the "new world". This is because it's been subject to the melting pot that is the new world. White identity is contrasted with black identity (a people who were put in a continent not their own and not by their own will) who had to find some identity in a new place with all roots having been left behind.

Whites left their roots behind by their own will and now they're paying for it. They deserve to be made a minority because the only good whites that are left will be those that embrace their origins of whether it be English, Italian, German, French, central European etc. When white is no longer an identity, whites will have been liberated.
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 No.395193

>>395181
are you sure you are communist?
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 No.395194

>>395190
*black red
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 No.395196

>>395193
This is the sort of shit I see leftypolers argue practically once a week
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 No.395197

>>395189
wait a minute are you telling me that anglos making borders arbitrarily in africa made people go into ethnic warfare mode but also mass importing all kinds of people into the west equals diversity is our strength? so which is it?
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 No.395198

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 No.395200

>>395179
>It was driven by colonialists and imperialists to convince the European masses they were at war with the rest of mankind and had a right to dominate them

True, but regardless, white people as an ethnic group were not victims here, they were the dominant group and remain so today.

>Again, no disagreements, though paganism was violently destroyed in Europe by christians


True enough, thought the growing paganism movement is by and large not a reclamation of some ancient birthright, but a reactionary retreat into imagined tradition
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 No.395202

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>>395191
>There is no material basis to being “black”.
What about "being Sicilian"?
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 No.395205

>>395190
why do people need to give them anything? why cant they make their own fucking tractors and other things they need? their continent is 2.5 times the size of europe with excellent resources and farm land. what is stopping them from taking care of themselves?
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 No.395207

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>>395197
>wait a minute are you telling me that
No.
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 No.395209

>>395193
>communism is when you massacre minorities
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 No.395211

>>395196
Well, I think being communist is the fight for the end of capitalism and construction a working class dictatorship, but maybe I am wrong
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 No.395212

>>395205
>why do people need to give them anything?
He's talking to those who choose to.
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 No.395214

>>395149
>western man says western man is best
wow, deep!
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 No.395215

>>395209
no, this is not communism
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 No.395217

>>395205
Africa has 'exotic' resources but overall lacks the basic resources that Europeans used to industrialise, like metal ores, coal, oil, et cetera.

But that's not even the real issue, the global economy keeps Africa in a subordinate state and exploits them ruthlessly while not allowing them to develop. Western meddling creates wars in Africa, which then results in western aid that devastates any local economies, then the governments turn to the west for loans with conditions that favour the west and make financial independence impossible.
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 No.395218

>>395191
>for starters you see them as inferiors
why shouldn't i? what have they done in history? where are their great civilizations and technological and cultural achievements? a 100 year period of ancient greece or rome has contributed more to the human race then all of african histroy.

its like comparing Michelangelo to a homeless bum on the street of course Michelangelo is superior to the bum in his contributions
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 No.395219

>>395200
> True, but regardless, white people as an ethnic group were not victims here, they were the dominant group and remain so today.
I don’t think whites are the victims of colonialism lmao
At least not in the past two millennia
> True enough, thought the growing paganism movement is by and large not a reclamation of some ancient birthright, but a reactionary retreat into imagined tradition
Never said there was anything progressive about “Le Evropa” larpers
>>395197
More like the British creating a bunch of “nations” where none had previously existed with little input from the inhabitants with the intended purpose of continued resource extraction in a new form with chaotic governments in place of the previously (somewhat) stable colonial government

Can’t develop a continent or avoid war if all of your leaders are deranged cunts being used as chess pieces between superpowers where every decent guy with good development ideas gets axed
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 No.395220

>>395205
>their continent is 2.5 times the size of europe with excellent resources and farm land.
Lol he's not the grand warlord of all Africa.
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 No.395221

>Indigenous people thread transforms into literal white nationalist Nazi thread.
I don't even know if people here actual leftists or not, this looks like a /pol/ thread, legit.
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 No.395222

>>395211
Which is why I am confused that so many leftypolers choose to veer off into somewhat deranged rants identifying with past colonial empires and defending their many, many crimes
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 No.395223

>>395219
>I don’t think whites are the victims of colonialism lmao
>At least not in the past two millennia

Well that's why they shouldn't be given special allowances under socialism whereas natives should be (to an extent).
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 No.395224

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 No.395228

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 No.395229

>>395221
There are known non-leftists in this thread. You sound surprised that the ethnicity-centric thread attracts non-leftists.
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 No.395230

>>395223
Why would native americans get special allowances under socialism though?
What would europeans be barred from that Natives would get to have?
Do you envision some whole enforced atheism and enforced uni-culture?
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 No.395232

>>395192
with increase globalization ethnic european people are increasingly seeing themselves as a unique group/race and will continue to do so. a pole who moves to italy or england or germany can assimilate and in one generation be indistinguishable from a native this is not the case for a black or asian or a racial other. no one gives a shit about your weirdo american bullshit about irish not being "white" that shit means nothing to modern white people no one cares
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 No.395233

>>395187
>there is no reciprocity between these two groups so why would they coexist with each other it offers no benefit to either side just constant ethnic fighting and hatred
Implying.
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 No.395236

Considering how reserves are just used as a means to keep indigenous communities in poverty I'll go with the latter option.
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 No.395237

>>395230
Natives should get special rights to run their own reservations according to traditions (to an extent). I'm not saying there would be state atheism, everyone should be allowed to have a religion, but native tribes would have special land rights (maybe).
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 No.395238

>>395229
Ban THEM!
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 No.395239

>>395200
>they were the dominant group and remain so today.

and? which group would you prefer to be the dominate group? asians or whites seem like the best candidates to be the stewards of the future global civilization
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 No.395241

>>395237
Why do you want them to have special rights
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 No.395243

>>395187
Both were still capitalist lmao.
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 No.395244

>>395222
>ny,
With every answer you give, you prove that you are not a communist
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 No.395245

>>395239
There shouldn't be a dominant ethnic group.

>>395241
Because as I said they've faced historic oppression and their culture has been unfairly marginalised and destroyed, and they still remain at the bottom of the economic order today.
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 No.395246

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 No.395248

>>395217
>Western meddling creates wars in Africa
ohhhhhh so is it white peoples fault that blacks kill eachother like crazy in east st louis and chicago and detroit as well? or is it engrained racial traits that are primarily the cause of their violence?
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 No.395249

>>395245
>There shouldn't be a dominant group
>This group should have a ethnostate
>This group should have reparations
>This group should have special rights

One of these is not like the rest
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 No.395250

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>>395237
Are they allowed to kill Christian missionaries?
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 No.395251

>>395218
>Another “holy Evropa” thread where of course every African civilization is actually not African because…uh…reasons, we ignore that Western Europe only achieved global significance five hundred years ago and only achieved global dominance for about two hundred years, and we pretend like blood soaked slave-driving empires are actually something to be proud of because of pretty fucking buildings or whatever other horseshit Europeans pretend holds actual value while still being warmongering monsters anyway
Yes what a great, noble, and peaceful civilization the Europeans had
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 No.395254

>>395245 (me)
Also, giving special privileges to natives is realistically not going to cost very much or be very onerous to wider society, and it will secure their allegiance as well as make idpol liberals happy.

>>395248
Not saying it's entirely white people's fault but the dominant order in black neighbourhoods in the west is also controlled by white people, black schools are underfunded, blacks have a harder time getting work, are more likely to be targetted by police, and so on.
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 No.395255

>>395237
Why would they be living in fucking reservations under socialism?
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 No.395256

>>395244
Total non-sequitor, go drink bleach
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 No.395257

>>395222
>identifying with past colonial empires and defending their many, many crimes

human history at its most basic is different groups of people fighting for land power and resources why would i feel bad my group was the best at it? its not a source of shame its a source of pride. didn't want to get colonized should of developed better weapons of war FAGGOT
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 No.395258

>>395255
Eh, communes are based. I'm cool with voluntary communes under communism.
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 No.395259

>>395249
Natives are a tiny proportion of the population, giving them special rights isn't going to somehow make them dominant over others (especially since their traditions are insular and conservationist). It's the fact that they now are at a disadvantage which means they should have greater rights.
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 No.395260

>>395257
The question is why are you on a communist imageboard when you belong on /pol/?
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 No.395261

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>>395255
the Eternal Anglo makes this whole debate a dumb borders argument to conveniently allow people to forget that they are human and have as much right to all land as any other person does
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 No.395262

>>395223
>Well that's why they shouldn't be given special allowances under socialism whereas natives should be (to an extent).

so special privilege's based on race/identity group?. thanks mein fuhrer!
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 No.395263

>>395255
Nobody says they have to, but if they want to I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to.
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 No.395265

>>395260
Because /pol/ is such dogshit that even Nazis have to come here with their shitty arguments to debate.
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 No.395266

>>395265
Well jannies better clamp down on that shit fast
Internet nazis are like a plague of fucking locusts
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 No.395267

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>>395257
>why would i feel bad my group was the best at it?
Was.
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 No.395268

>>395262
I've explained the reasons why, if you want to ignore them then what can I do. I'm not saying natives are gonna be allowed to come in your house and fuck your wife, chill.
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 No.395269

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>>395026
>supporting indigenous peoples rights is radlib
i wonder whos behind this post
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 No.395276

>>395262
Funny how you’re attacking him but have nothing to say about the Nazoid roaches talking about muh Holy Evropa
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 No.395277

>>395256
You're probably just some high school teenager from some North Hemisphere country XD

You can call me anything, but you're still not a communist
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 No.395278

>>395245
>There shouldn't be a dominant ethnic group.

human nature doesn't work like that. people will always form ethnocentric tribes and fight with each other. what your advocating for is a state with constant ethnic conflict or a super authoritarian government who will murder mass amounts of people who feel slighted in their competition against other groups. ever notice how people natural self segregate its human nature its like trying to tell men not be attracted to women or force people not to be greedy IT WILL NEVER WORK!
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 No.395279

>>395255
You cannot escape your destiny faggot. The unholy retribution will be like the unholy retribution the Haitian revolution gave to their former masters. You can't escape that doom unless you accept the right to self determination for the many peoples of the Earth.
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 No.395281

>>395277
This thread is too active to play this bullshit
>If you don’t support Nazoid race tropes/British Empire propaganda from the 1800s u r not a communist
Please kill yourself via immolation
Drink gasoline then swallow a lit match
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 No.395282

>>395278
But there's been numerous multi-ethnic states and/or empires in history.
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 No.395284

>>395245
>unfairly
life ain't fair buttercup. the strong survive and the weak get replaced.

>Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who don't want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live
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 No.395286

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>>395284
>life ain't fair buttercup. the strong survive and the weak get replaced.
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 No.395288

>>395279
I’m not white
According to woke twitter I would be allowed to participate in the destruction of AmeriKKKa as a based Black Bvll who carries on the legacy of the KARA BOGA in my genes
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 No.395290

>>395278
Almost every empire to have existed was mutli-ethnic and many of them were mutli-cultural you fucking retard
Imagine being unable to comprehend that it is practically impossible to simultaneously be an empire and mono-ethnic lmao
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 No.395291

>>395251
Africans kill eachother in droves and cut of each others hands and shit. so it only because evil when whites do it or what? war and conflict is human nature and yes i am proud that my ancestors dominated them instead of them dominating us. i think your just a weak person scared of conflict where i am not.
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 No.395293

>>395291
Africans literally never wanted to conquer Europe you violent cave monkey
Imagine having this mindset and calling anyone else a “savage”, you’re literally some violent barbarous animal lmao
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 No.395295

>>395278
>people will always form ethnocentric tribes and fight with each other.
That's not part of human nature, it's habit based on previous wars. We have multicultural nations now. People here are far more likely to form tribes over economic policies than race or ethnicity, since we haven't had a strong history of ethnic-based violence.
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 No.395297

>>395241
No one is giving them special economic rights. And any special economic rights that have them causing trouble for everyone else can be quickly curbed. Also it's highly unlikely Native Americans as a people would squander reparations by letting it go to waste, instead they would revive the great confederacy of the First Nations and it'll be beautiful. We may even see a point where Native American culture dominates the continent above Christianity, balance restored. It'll be a beautiful thing when children of the far future engage in cultural practices with Native Americans and share those experiences and share those values.
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 No.395298

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>>395254
>black schools are underfunded
not my problem go ask lebron james for money
>harder time getting work
maybe because they are rude and talk funny like they are retarded
>targeted by police
maybe because a big part of their culture is criminality

sounds like their problem not mine. why would i care about their problems i dont even like them let alone want to help them(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.395299

>>395291
>yes i am proud that my ancestors dominated them instead of them dominating us

How about actually do something you can be proud of yourself? Maybe you wouldn't be trolling imageboards in that case.
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 No.395300

>>395278
>Human nature
Fuckin kek
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 No.395301

>>395284
>the strong survive and the weak get replaced.
kys kike
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 No.395306

>>395284
t.down 2-0 as of now
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 No.395308

>>395298
Based jannies sending the chinlet back home
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 No.395309

>>395298
>why would i care about their problems i dont even like them let alone want to help them
because lowering crime and the amount of time and money wasted to treat these issues is most likely within the best interest of you and your offspring if applicable :^)
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 No.395328

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Indigenous peoples lived independently in their own communities making their own tools, developing their own methods of running their own societies that led to empires of all sorts and a wide variety of survival tactics and skills modern americans not only cannot perform on their own but ultimately see as primitive despite the fact that if their industrial lifestyles died today, they would quickly all starve to death, I view indigenous Americans as a people whom should be allowed to assimilate or not assimilate whenever they please and that their own borders and rights should be respected and not infringed upon simply for increasing industrial production and the over production of goods no one needs to satisfy investors every quarter
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 No.395336

>>395328
That is the funniest part about all this
The conclusion to industrial society may very well be within this century or the next, meaning the “epic” of advanced modern society in every way superior to the dirty savages will have collapsed after just three centuries of existence and then all the westernoids will fucking starve and die lmao
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 No.395380

>>395336
What's even funnier about citizens of industrial societies is that humans are already self preservational, the overproduction and commodification of basic resources has allowed the infantilization of billions worldwide that has left to mass outbreaks of incivility and also humans genociding and exploiting one another in the name of their own ideas of increasing the productive and technological output of these industrial societies. Fucking sickening
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 No.395407

>>395026
I don't think they deserve special rights but I think all people have a right to teach their children their language and their customs. As long as they still contribute to the republic I think it's fine.
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 No.395498

Yeah, I'm for the right of indigenous Europeans not to be genocided.
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 No.395504

>>395498
They already were by the PIE you ding dong
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 No.395543


>>395504
worse, the neanderthals were killed of by the sapien nig nogs from africa. you have to go back
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 No.395554

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>>395543
Whites only exist because Neanderthals got BLACKED
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 No.395557

This is probably the worst thread I've seen this year, most of you so called "racial leftists" will be hanged along with the Nazis when the revolution comes.
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 No.395568

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 No.395653

>>395504
>t. knows nothing about archaeaogenetics
Western Steppe Herders interbred with Early European Farmers largely, no large scale ethnic cleansing seems to have taken place. The Early European Farmers in turn interbred and subsumed the far smaller population of European Hunter Gatherers, of which there are several genetic groupings such as Western, Eastern and Baltic Hunter Gatherers. Hunter Gatherer admixture is most pronounced among Southern Slavs, Sardinians and certain lineages in the British Isles largely due to geographic isolation and higher miscegenation rates in these areas. Most Europeans are majority non-steppe herder anyways, a monolithic view of ethnicities totally replacing a pure-blooded pre-indo-european race with a pure indo-european race is as absurd as other racialist ideas from the 19th century
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 No.395657

>>395141
If that is your definition of wealth then you are too poor or classcucked to really understand it
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 No.395660

>>395161
He lived a pretty chaste and ascetic life tbh.
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 No.395662

>>395657
>Bashing people for being "too poor"
>In /leftypol/
I'm afraid of the day when this place becomes another /pol/, we're totally going there.
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 No.395670

>>395662
I am not even shaming them. It is a statement of fact. Most straight up poor people I talk to think middle class lifestyles are 'rich' and sneers at that lifestyle, while at the same time admiring or ambivalent at really rich people antics and shit.
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 No.395678

>>395670
>Thanks to his efforts, every tribe member gets $128,000 per year, distributed through biweekly payments

Seminoles in florida are genuinely rich. This isn't even all their income. No ethnic religion or racial group in the state earns more than them or even close

https://moneyinc.com/richest-native-american-tribes/
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 No.395681

>>395670
if you're making 14k a year at a dead end minimum wage job for $7.25 an hour actually being able to afford a somewhat decent house makes someone rich by comparison to you. Instead of sneering down at the filthy poors at their stupidity you could try to convince them that it isn't some fifty something High School teacher who is their enemy but Jeff Bezos and the government
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 No.395684

>>395141
>cherry pick one tribe which monopolised gambling due to legal loopholes regarding tribal sovereignty
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 No.395686

>>395684
That's the post the person replied to and told me I'm poor for thinking that's rich.

Read up to the replies
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 No.395692

>>395678
Again receiving thousands of dollars every year isn't what is considered rich. If only you know the capital gains the wealthy receive every year.

>>395681
I swear poor people seem to think any assessment of them becomes sneering.

>you could try to convince them that it isn't some fifty something High School teacher who is their enemy but Jeff Bezos and the government

The person ranting about the Seminoles doesn't really care who or what the teacher or Bezos earns, what they are doing is to muddy the waters, to personify (and idpolize) the mechanics of capitalism. By getting us to single out specific groups or individuals, the criticism and solution towards capitalism becomes reforming certain elements rather than reforming the system. That's why poor people sneer at middle class lifestyle without pivoting to anti-capitalism, they are just mad that others have more than them, not the mechanics and rationalization of inequality.
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 No.395695

>>395692
This is total bullshit assumptions of me. Implying that I can't discuss the earning average of Seminoles in florida that is higher than anyone else's and at same time critique big corps not paying taxes. I am able to do both

All you've said to me is that I am poor for making 120k a year + all your extra income and you are excluded for many taxes anyone else has to pay. This is rich by any measurement
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 No.395698

>>395695
> Implying that I can't discuss the earning average of Seminoles in florida that is higher than anyone else's and at same time critique big corps not paying taxes.
I didn't say either of those things. I am saying your earnings however high, is not enough for you to actually meet and understand how the truly wealthy earn and live their life. You simply do not have the means and the imagination to understand the magnitude of capital gains and jet planes that the one conceptualization of rich to you is some native american tribe. You have more in common with them or even the homeless than the rich.

https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
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 No.395702

>>395698
You said I'm discussing Seminoles income being high because

>poor people sneer at middle class lifestyle

>they are just mad that others have more than them,

You are building a straw man that I am a poor perspn looking at what they earn and angry. When what I've done is correct a person when they didn't believe what they earn with data to their income then state that it is rich.
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 No.395707

>>395702
You are the one building strawman. I said >>395657 'If that is your definition of wealth then you are too poor'.

I am not even saying you are a poor person having class envy (though I do suspect it), I am saying you are a poor person who cannot simply cannot imagine or understand what real wealth that you think these people are it.

What you have done is tell people that those Native Americans get 120k a year, sure that's fair play. But your mistake is thinking and labeling it as rich.
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 No.395709

>>395707
>I am not saying it (though I do suspect it)

You've said it multiple times before then say it again now. All your post passive aggressive deviating from the topic.

The topic was that 120K+ a year + your income is rich. To deflect from this you decided to just say I'm poor for thinking that. In what place in the usa is consistently people earning around 150k a year per person on average not considered rich? In Florida it is for sure.

Tbh i wouldn't be surprised if you yourself are Seminole or have family ties to it from how you are treating it
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 No.395711

>>395709
>The topic was that 120K+ a year + your income is rich.
> In what place in the usa is consistently people earning around 150k a year per person on average not considered rich? In Florida it is for sure.

Which as I said multiple times, it is not considered rich. And that you lack the means and imagination to really meet and find the real rich people.

>Tbh i wouldn't be surprised if you yourself are Seminole or have family ties to it from how you are treating it

Now who is the one making assumptions about others? LOL I am not even American lmao
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 No.395712

>>395711
Triple the average income per
Person is absolutely rich
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 No.395713

>>395712
https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/

Then that speaks more about your life experiences than the actual data.
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 No.395716

>>395713
No it doesn't. You keep trying to imply if the person isn't a billionaire they are not rich and I'm poor for thinking so.

Making 3x the average salary is rich. On top of this is per family member. A 3 per household of mom dad and son is 400k + a year.

By any classification this is rich.
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 No.395720

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>>395716
>On top of this is per family member. A 3 per household of mom dad and son is 400k + a year.
Whut? How does thinking in family units make this any better or worse?
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 No.395722

>>395045
>no ethnostates = genocide
I wonder who could be behind this post
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 No.395727

File: 1627014386380.jpg ( 320.89 KB , 1080x1072 , Pine Ridge FASD.jpg )

Reminder that the poorest county in the US (not counting colonies like Puerto Rico and American Samoa) is Oglala Lakota County, which is coterminous with the Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota. The third poorest county is Todd County, coterminous with the Rosebud reservation in the same state. These reservations, and others like them, are among the most destitute and underdeveloped parts of the country. They suffer from malnutrition, addiction, and violence. Many people do not have running water. They also lack true sovereignty, meaning they are dependent on the goodwill of the United States (which is sorely lacking in that area). Pointing to a handful of tribes which have made bank on casinos distracts from this reality.
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 No.395737

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>97% of of the population at Pine Ridge Reservation live below federal poverty line.
>The unemployment rate vacillates from 85% to 95% on the Reservation.
>Death due to Heart Disease: Twice the national average.
>The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent and is about 300% higher than the U.S. national average.
>Elderly die each winter from hypothermia (freezing).
>Recent reports point out that the median income on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year.
>At least 60% of the homes are severely substandard, without water, electricity, adequate insulation, and sewage systems.
>Recent reports state the average life expectancy is 45 years old while others state that it is 48 years old for men and 52 years old for women. With either set of figures, that's the shortest life expectancy for any community in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to The Wall Street Journal.
http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html
Hm, I wonder why these people might distrust the American government and want to govern themselves? I guess they're all just "ethno-nationalists."
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 No.395756

>changing the person in charge, instead of the governing economic philosophy, will fix all problems!
>it's working so well for Lesotho and Swaziland!
>not an ethno-nationalist btw
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 No.395761

>>395737
This is why any communist who isn’t a Sakaist type of communist to me is a coward, just a colonial master in red. And no this isn’t some “red fascist” bullshit, we can have different have socialists, some better than others. I would never call another red a fascist but I would call him a colonial imperialist.
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 No.395783

>>395737
>>395761
Isn't this just an argument for a future socialist government to integrate such people into larger society where they can be provided the same amenities as everyone else and the same public services? If they still want to be together, they can just live together or near each other, different cultural groups do it all the time.
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 No.395789

>>395783
This is because nationality is important, and I don’t mean the way people think nationalism to be but rather a shared culture and language of a people. This isn’t some abstract issue but a material one based on real material shit. The reservations weren’t near enough a reparation.
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 No.395790

Most of the Native Americans and similar do not literally intend to do the "primitive tribal" stuff and return to tradition. Barely any of the so called actually existent "primitivists" like the Cambodia boi planned to reject modernity and industrial systems, and, far from the stereotype, folks such as Evo and Pedro only seek to develop the productive forces of their countries unmolested, not to regress. Even the company at Black Hammer said that they could envision a future where they develop their own vaccines, unrealistic at the moment that might be to say.
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 No.396438

>>395783
If the tribes want to integrate more closely into the US that should be their right, but there's a reason that every tribe pushes for more sovereignty instead of less sovereignty. Obviously if we established a communist utopia in the US then we wouldn't need separate tribal nations anymore, but until that happens, it makes sense that tribal members want more power over their own affairs.
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 No.396466

Why don't native americans embrace Juche?

You still need the Marxism to understand the laws of social development, but learn from the DPRK about their social philosophy and Songun policy.
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 No.396473

>>396466
Juche is a meme ideology, there is nothing leftist about it unless you consider the sakoku policy under the Japanese shogunate to be leftist as well. The DPRK unironically adopted its former colonial master's culture after abandoning communism.
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 No.396476

>>396473
I bet it looks the same in appearance, but the essence would indicate otherwise.
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 No.396613

>>396466
It's hard enough to get Natives to embrace vanilla Marxism or Marxism-Leninism, let alone an obscure variant that was created specifically for a country on the other side of the world. The main problems I see with drawing Natives to Marxism are (1) a lot of them are kind of spooked by anything that originated in Europe, so they see Marxism as a thing for white people, and (2) historical Marxist and even socialist movements haven't done much to reach out to Natives, probably of their small population and because they're concentrated in geographically isolated areas without too much industry or agriculture (it's hard to say "workers of the world, unite!" to people with a 90% unemployment rate). On the plus side, a lot of the more traditional Natives hold views which are fairly compatible with Marxism (most tribes held land in common before the US forced them to allot their land to individuals in the late 19th century).

>>396473
Nice propaganda. Juche is Marxism-Leninism adapted for the conditions in Korea; the idea that it's somehow anti-communist is made up.
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 No.396649

>>396613
I agree with you, and sympathize, but one thing about Juche, I dont think the DPRK actually views that. To them it's a social philosophy that can be adopted for any society that is struggling against imperialism/colonialism.
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 No.396714

>>395026
Uncontacted tribes should be left alone. There are a few in what's left of the Amazon, the Senitel islanders, I don't know of any others but if they are discovered they should be left alone too.

The rest of Indigenous globally are part of the capitalist system. They are either an underclass like the Sami in Finland and Aino in Japan, or survivors of Genocide like in the US/Canada, in the US they are divided into dirt poor on non-arable lands and living big on casino and government payments that keep them slaves to the casino or the state.

Returning land to the indigenous won't return a pre-capitalist mode of life. So no, #landback isn't really a communist slogan and even a cursory reading of Fanon would tell you that the reality of colonizer vs colonized is much more complex, and only communism and destroy that contradiction.


That said, the Bolsheviks honored (most) of the treaties of the old government, especially those with France, and treaties that protect Indigenous land should still be honored. Or actually honored for the first time since they are routinely broken in the US, in fact two days Enbridge had a major spill a t Mississippi headwaters that the media isn't covering, probably because it fucks over Injuns and the media doesn't give a shit about their water being poisoned, their delicious wild rice being poisoned, or their women being trafficked and kidnapped by the brutish "proletarian" pipe construction teams
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 No.396720

>>396613
The current constitution of DPRK doesn't mention Marxism-Leninism, socialism, or proletarian dictatorship/democracy, so pretending that it isn't a regressive reaction isn't doing you any favors. Of course, the reactions are the fault of US embargos, but it can hardly be considered an AES state at this point, other than a funhouse-mirror version of AES.
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 No.396802

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>>396720
Quit fucking lying.
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 No.396841

As far as USA goes, the Southwest was heavily Native (and Mexican) since centuries ago, before USA even existed, and now it's only becoming more Native as more immigrants and refugees come from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Central America in general etc. (regions where the proles and peasants are heavily Native, and also regions that have been subject to US-backed capitalist coups, dictatorships, civil wars, genocides, as well as the more extreme tropical storms as the result of global warming, which is fueled especially by the global capitalist war-making/arms industry headed by the Pentagon). So the re-indigenization of USA (in particular its Southwest region) is kind of just a historical process that's happening
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 No.396855

>>396841 (me)
>>396843 (me)
Should not forget to mention the effect of the drug wars (maybe included under civil wars), the deadly Covid pandemic and the general poverty from capitalist austerity/privatization that also fuels this process.
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 No.396863

>>396841 (me)
>As far as USA goes, the Southwest was heavily Native (and Mexican) since centuries ago, before USA even existed
Of course, the entire USA used to be Native land, not just the Southwest. I wasn't implying that it wasn't, but rather just emphasizing that the Southwest is the region of USA where this re-indigenization process I'm describing is most visibly happening. And that's because, to spell out the obvious, the Southwest region of the USA shares a long border with Mexico, the northern-most country of that Central America land corridor (stretching to the Panama Canal and South America) that just happens to be a heavily Native populated region of the American continent.
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 No.396869

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 No.397037

>>395026
No they should continue to be poor and have dirty water and no opportunities, anything else would be idpol.
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 No.397111

File: 1627080665876.pdf ( 61.49 MB , 212x300 , The Red Nation - The Red D….pdf )

Thoughts on the Red Nation? Their Red Deal has gotten a lot of buzz, including an endorsement from the DSA, despite being a nominally Marxist (and perhaps Leninist, judging by their use of the hammer-and-sickle and their citing of State and Revolution) org.
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 No.397469

>>397111
I just skimmed it. It looks pretty good and manages to hit the main demands of indigenous peoples as well as socialist demands, though I don't think it actually used the word "communism." There was some kind of cringey radlib language like "queer bodies," but overall it's nice.
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 No.397533

What kind of rights are you talking about? The way I see it the socialist project has always been concerned with giving all working people autonomy over their own labor and consequently their own lives, and this holds true for all people including native people. So if this is what you mean by native rights then I'm absolutely for those rights.
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 No.397630

>>396720
lol the literal title of the constitution mentions socialism
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 No.397657

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File: 1627095049138-1.png ( 351.42 KB , 2677x2183 , Autonomous_rule_divisions_….png )

Give them ASSRs/autonomous regions like the Soviets and Chinese did for their minorities
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 No.397679

>>396473
>unironically adopted its former colonial master's culture
horseshoe theory nonsense based on one book which is full of shit
https://www.bookforum.com/print/1805/-8881
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 No.398145

As Zapata said: "La tierra es de quien la trabaja”
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 No.398150

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>>398145
*works your land*
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 No.398257

>>395026
Indigenous rights only matter within the capitalistic system
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 No.398274

>>398150
surely someone was working said land before these clowns
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 No.398277

The concept of land ownership is anti-materialist, so, no.
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 No.399052

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>>398277
>a nation having territory over which it exerts sovereignty is anti-materialist
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 No.399065

Let them live with us. I don't see the need for "protected land"
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 No.399563

>>395109
colonist historylet logged in
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 No.399619

Worker rights are "indigenous peoples" rights.

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