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 No.389232[Last 50 Posts]

Why the flying fuck are there so many muslims on this planet that view terrorism as okay? I can make a fucking list of terrorists groups from islam alone and I still think I wouldn't have hit them all
>fulani herdesmen
>boko haram
>salafists
>Houthis
>the taliban
>al Qaeda
>isis
>al shabaab
>Hezbollah
What the hell makes people join these fucking cults, terrorism isnt a fucking video game holy fuck
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 No.389234

>>389232
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
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 No.389238

>>389234
How the hell is burning gays alive and turning democracies into non secular authoritarian hellholes "freedom fighting"
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 No.389239

Define terrorism. Is it terrorism when a drone bombs a wedding?
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 No.389242

>>389239
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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 No.389253

>boko haram
>salafists
>al qaeda
>isis
>al shabaab
These guys are around because of the Gulf States using their massive amounts of oil money to spread Salafism throughout the Muslim world and Western intelligence groups financing and arming salafists in Afghanistan and Syria. Without those factors they wouldn't have so many fighters and supporters
>fulani herdsmen
Not a terrorist group
>hezbollah
They exist because of Israel's invasion and occupation of Lebanon
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 No.389255

>>389232
Unironically the CIA's fault.
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 No.389258

>>389242
It's pretty terrifying though, right? The kind of thing that makes people go about their daily lives afraid they might be blown up? One might call it "terror-ism" of sorts.
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 No.389271

>>389253
>massive amounts of oil money
Saudi arabia and Qatar combined dont have a gdp above 1 trillion, whatever the fuck those terrorists are being given are fucking kiddie toys that the non muslim natives that deal with those rats every fucking year. I feel bad not just for the soldiers fighting terrorism but the muslims whom are most likely to get themselves killed by these organizations but also get indoctrinated enough to join them…
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 No.389275

>>389253
Also why the hell do those gulf states even support terrorists anyways? They already have enough funds from oil to build an actual fucking economy that doesnt randomly collapse when prices fall than spend their time hiring morons to blow shit up and kill people in the fucking desert
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 No.389277

US propaganda campaigns to make them think terrorism is cool and good for them.
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 No.389285

>>389277
Source please. I wanna read on that
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 No.389292

>>389271
The Saudis have spent billions since the 70s to spread salafism. The general counsel of the US treasury department estimated that they spent over $75 billion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/08/19/us-eyes-money-trails-of-saudi-backed-charities/8215d5ec-670f-4ed3-80e1-65069a8b9acd/
>>389275
They do it to support their geopolitical interests. You already brought up Qatar which is a great example. Qatar wanted to build a gas pipeline to Turkey, but it would have to go through Syria and the Syrian government rejected the pipeline. Then, coincidentally, Qatar started to support anti-government Salafists in Syria during the civil war
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 No.389296

>>389232
Neither the Houthis nor Hezbollah nlr Fulani Herdesmen are in any way terrorists.
Salafism is a religious doctrine, not an organization.
ISIS, Al Qaida, Taliban, Shabaab are all linked.

Don't base your perception of reality based on fearmongering. Terrorism isn't a huge problem in most parts of the world.
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 No.389311

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>Islam-ophobic
What did he mean by this…
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 No.389315

>>389311
Sorry when I say islamophobic I'm not saying posts that show fear towards islam but rather blind hatred towards it
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 No.389320

I have already stated this before, Muhammad unlike other religious figures had a state which he ruled over, so for Muslims the guide for the perfect state already exists and for Muslims this was the greatest society to exist in all of Human history, it is thus to duty for Muslims to make their state like that
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 No.389333

>>389285
Not that anon, but this did happen during the Soviet-Afghan war. The US government funded and distributed textbooks in Afghan/Pakistani schools that promoted religious extremism and violence. The purpose of this was to foster anti-communism against the socialist Afghan gov, but these books are still around and used by the Taliban to teach their children. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/7/afghan-fighters-americantextbooks.html
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 No.389348

If the question is about salafist doctrine, not 'terrorism' (western meme), then we can consider local resources/geopolitical interests and also the origin of Islam in war. Muhammed was basically a warlord as soon as he founded Islam, 600 years after Christianity and this is probably a reason that holy wars and the killing of heretics are a bit more prominent in Islam than Christianity. It is a religion from a highly contested time and place
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 No.389349

>>389242
>unlawful
Technically that's probably right, but what the fuck.
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 No.389612

Turkanon here
İt generally caused by two things, why some people support terrorısm
1-Imperialism made by western-powers 2- Stuff like human-rights or modernism are Western. So for those people progressive values are values of imperialist-enemy, so a cancer .
Of course, we don't have much terrorıst-supporters at there (while we have many hezbollah supporters) but we have many people that support anti-Western anti-modern/ultra-conservative but peaceful leaders. Which is more moderate but still based on same mindset
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 No.389756

>>389744
Go back
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 No.389761

>>389333
This. Never forget that the first big jihad of modern times was lead by Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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 No.389770

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>>389232
>Houthis
>Hezbollah
<"terrorists"
Both of these are legitimate anti-imperialist Islamic resistance movements. Both of them fight actual terrorists in the region: Gulf state/Turkish/western backed al-Qaeda affiliated takfiri groups and ISIS. Congratulations OP, you fell for NATO propaganda.

Any militia/paramilitary group or "non-state actor" in the middle east that doesn't align itself with the west and Israel immediately gets the "terrorism" label, regardless of if they actually intentionally target civilians or not.

And somehow, when Israel kills 260 people (at least 60 of them children) in Gaza in 11 days, intentionally targeting civilian homes and infrastructure, that is not terrorism.
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 No.389777

>>389232
>Why the flying fuck are there so many muslims on this planet that view terrorism as okay?
Because they are supported by the largest empire in the history of the world and because the same empire eliminates the secular alternatives because they are less likely to hand over the natural resources.

There is nothing special about Islam and terrorism. The largest terrorist operations today are lead by self-identifying Christians.

> What the hell makes people join these fucking cults..?

To get an answer to this you'd have to imagine a foreign army occupying your country and bombing your village out of existence. You'd have to imagine a friend or a relative being kidnapped and tortured for firing back at this army. You'd have to imagine a drone stike blowing your little niece to a thousand pieces. It is indeed not a video game.
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 No.389785

google "Operation Cyclone", OP
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 No.389787

>he still thinks violence and terrorism are bad
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 No.389808

>>389255
Yeah I think you could pin this one on the CIA, and western imperialism in general. Not sure that provides a great answer as to how to treat the current situation.
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 No.389812

>>389808
Absolutely. Omar Mateen killed 49 for retaliation against American attacks on Syria and Iraq.
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 No.389833

>>389787
I mean it is, but he still thinks those are predominantly, if not exclusively, in the domain of scary brown people.
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 No.389852

Islam is incompatible with a monopoly of violence by a secular state, so when people take it upon themselves, shit can easily get out of hand.
>>389320
Basically this.
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 No.389896

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>>389833
No no I dont

I'm getting 2 answers here
>muslims commit terrorism as a part of their salafist views in pursuit of creating a country their dead leader Muhammad made
>muslims commit terrorism because of western imperialist motives that fund terrorists
Which one is it
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 No.389899

>>389896
>idealist answer
>materialist answer
idk m8, the choice is really hard
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 No.390046

>>389232
half of these are national liberation/resistance struggle group (hezbollah, houthis, taliban against US), which I'd have gladly joined had I been born there.

>terrorism isnt a fucking video game

you sound like a complete fucking brainlet
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 No.390069

>>389232
>non islamophobic
uyghurs tongue my anus and deserve to be re-educated and put into real factory work instead of goat shagging in the mountains.
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 No.390073

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>>389232
>half of these are national liberation
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 No.390078

>>390075
>hezbollah and the houthis did 9/11
kill yourself
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 No.390079

>>390075
is 9/11 suppossed to be a bad thing now?
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 No.390083

>>390075
b*rger
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 No.390084

>>390075
go read sam harris you fucking idiot
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 No.390093

>>390089
Stop being cute and make an argument
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 No.390099

Terrorism is when you resist the US. Stop being a terrorist and get bombed already
>but why are they violent??
Because they get embargoed, droned and violent opposition is funded by the US
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 No.390100

National liberation bullshit is reactionary as fuck. You can clearly see it from these cretins who defend taliban, hezbollah, Iran, etc. theocratic political models.
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 No.390104

>>389242
So…… America is terrorist?
Their whole invasion of Iraq was unlawful.
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 No.390105

>>390099
>Terrorism is when you resist the US.
ISIS is not a terrorist organization?
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 No.390106

>>390100
When Israel invades your home you should just let them. If you take up arms to defend yourself you're a terrorist.
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 No.390110

Every powerful group does terrorism to get their way
From your pillar of the world "democratic" western countries to these chumps
Theirs is religious form to more of an extent than territorial like Americans

There are various reasons related to material conditions that cause people to join such groups
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 No.390111


>>390104
It literally is. Read about the term originally meant.
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 No.390114

>>390104
Yeah. Why would you invade a country for alleged WMD accusations while in fact there's NONE of them?
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 No.390115

>>389232
Violence is ok in islam, christians would happily larp as crusaders if it was that simple.
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 No.390117

>>390046
Oh that's how they keep finding recruits for their shit cults. Useful jdiots
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 No.390118

>>390106
It would be nationalism vs nationalism and neither deserve ANY support. If there is a communist movement involved it deserves ALL of our support.
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 No.390120

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>>terrorism isnt a fucking video game holy fuck

Explain this then : http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/special-force-2-tale-of-the-truthful-pledge/
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 No.390136

>>390118
Nope, that is fucking idiotic. If a colonial army invades a sovereign country and starts subjugating it's people, communists and anti-imperialists support the resistance regardless if it's shares our values or not.

>It is true, we have an Islamic ideology but I think this means nothing because we don't build our alliances and divisions with others upon ideological standards.

>We feel that some of the Marxist parties are closer to us than some of the Islamist ones, I feel that we are in the same ‘trench’, and I'd say we have much of a common political approach. The main question from our specific point of view is who is against imperialism and who is with imperialism. We think this is the main criterion of the political divisions.

https://www.antiimperialista.org/en/node/6644
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 No.390157

>>390118
>>390136
Also, let's actually consult some of the communists in the region what their view of Islamic resistance is then.

Leila Khaled of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine:
>And about the different tactics, political orientations and objectives of the various Palestinian groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, where does her group, PFLP, fit? She responds that Hezbollah is a “sister party, yes… Many differences afterwards, but now we are all in the trench of resistance and we should be there all together.”

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-02-12-conversation-with-a-revolutionary-icon-what-makes-leila-khaled-still-run/
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 No.390159

your first mistake is lumping them altogether, for reference ISIS and al-Qaeda are like /pol/ whereas Houthis and Hezbollah are more /leftypol/. one fights for domination and extermination of infidels, the other fights for national liberation from oppression. sorry, you lose. Houthichads stay winning against far-right Salafists
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 No.390166

>>390159
This. Putting Hezbollah, Ansarallah and Hamas together with ISIS and al-Qaeda in one big catagory of "muslim terrorists" shows you don't know a single fucking thing about the history of these various groups and the dynamics of middle eastern politics.
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 No.390174

>>390118
>>390136
>>390157
Interview with the Lebanese Communist Party:
>Look, Hezbollah, their policies and their existence is as a result of Israeli oppression. That is a fact. Hezbollah is not a group of terrorist people. Hezbollah represent a wide section of the Lebanese people. They represent them, truly represent them. They are those people. They are within the people. The resistance of Hezbollah did not come from Iran, alright Iran supported the Hezbollah. But Hezbollah is Lebanese people, our people. Now, on the issue of anti-Israeli issues we are together with Hezbollah. However we have differences with Hezbollah when it comes to their position about the political regime, about political issues in the country, social changes.

https://www.birgun.net/haber/socialists-of-middle-east-interview-with-the-lebanese-communist-party-156887
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 No.390201

>>389232
there is nothing inherently wrong with terrorism
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 No.390230

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>>390100
>noooooo, resisting against the occupator is xenophobic, you must welcome the occupator like the collaborationists
nuke yourself firstoid
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 No.390275

>>390118
>It would be nationalism vs nationalism and neither deserve ANY support.
Kindly go fuck yourself.
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 No.390278

>>390118
>nationalism and nationalism
<israel invades
Would you just surrender your property to a burglar if someone invades? You're none other than a fing idiot.
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 No.390285

>>390278
If a fat jewish settler from New York flies across the world to kick you out of your home and you resist you're nothing but a cringe nationalist and don't deserve ANY support.
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 No.390308

>>390285
>cringe nationalist
Everyone has the right to defend themselves. It's human nature. Do you actually work on Langley?
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 No.390312

>>390308
I was making fun of this guy >>390118 , I don't actually believe that.
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 No.390319

>>390312
Oh… my mistake then. #Poe's_Law
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 No.390416

>>389232
Once you think of terrorist groups as cartels and gangs, it makes more sense.
A lot of these groups are regional.
The motivations they have are very idealistic also. They have their own interpretation of Islam that involves an obligation to enforce Sharia. The biggest problem "islamophobes" do is generalize groups so easily.

For example, 60% of evangelists think the US should have Bible law. Is it because they want to stone raped women to death? Not really. They just think it is a good thing because "God is good", and they all have their own interpretations of the Bible anyways and ideas of Bible law. Same with these groups.

It is also beneficial for Western hegemony in the area to keep conflicts lasting. Israel was caught helping ISIS fighters in Syria, and even getting some fighters through the border that need medical attention. It is because they want some terrorist group to take over Syria? No. They just want this war to last. The longer Syria and the middle east is destabilized, the less of a threat they'd be to them.
It is Western imperialism that benefits from this. They fought ISIS when it started having terrorist attacks in Western countries and they didn't even eradicate them. They just got ISIS to retreat to local insurgents again like it was when it was Al-Qaeda.
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 No.390485

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>>389232
>Hezbollah
>Terrorist
CIA
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 No.390979

>>389896
They are not mutually exclusive answers. Salafism does motivate terrorism but this type of terrorism wouldn't be anywhere near as common as it is now if the gulf states and the west didn't spend a fortune on supporting it
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 No.391004

>>390159
>>390166
>I only support the weakest and least effective anti-imperialist terror groups, the rest are eeeeevil!
Fucking grow up
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 No.391006

>>391004
they're the most effective you fucking glowie, ISIS and al-Qaeda were literally funded by the US at some point, and Saudis adn Turks funded the hell out of the Salafist militias in Syria, especially Tahrir al-Sham and Ahrar al-Sham. face it, Salafist militia are tools of Saudis and Turkeys and the US by extension.
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 No.391092

>>390416
israel would definitely prefer daesh in power in eastern syria than assad
america didn't fight daesh they funded them into existence and then used them as an excuse to attack
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 No.391684

>>389232
To be a leftist is to inherently be islamophobic. Embrace it.

t.exmuslim who left Islam because it couldn't be reconciled with my leftist values.
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 No.391694

>>389238
>How the hell is burning gays alive and turning democracies into non secular authoritarian hellholes "freedom fighting"
homofascism.mp4
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 No.391783

>>391684
What do you mean by that ?
My wife is muslim and sees Muhammad as some kind of proto socialist. She's sufi though
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 No.391849

>>391006
Sure buddy, Osama and ISIS are all CIA stooges, 9/11 was an inside job, etc. etc.
Do you actually want to dismantle American imperialism, or do you just prefer to sit on your high horse, fellating useless Shia sects that get propped up by the Iranian state.
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 No.391856

>>391849
https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-united-states-ap-top-news-middle-east-international-news-f38788a561d74ca78c77cb43612d50da

"In one conflict, the U.S. is working with its Arab allies — particularly the United Arab Emirates — with the aim of eliminating the branch of extremists known as al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP. But the larger mission is to win the civil war against the Houthis, Iranian-backed Shiite rebels. And in that fight, al-Qaida militants are effectively on the same side as the Saudi-led coalition — and, by extension, the United States.

“Elements of the U.S. military are clearly aware that much of what the U.S. is doing in Yemen is aiding AQAP and there is much angst about that,” said Michael Horton, a fellow at the Jamestown Foundation, a U.S. analysis group that tracks terrorism.

“However, supporting the UAE and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia against what the U.S. views as Iranian expansionism takes priority over battling AQAP and even stabilizing Yemen,” Horton said."

[…]

"Coalition-backed militias actively recruit al-Qaida militants, or those who were recently members, because they’re considered exceptional fighters, the AP found.

The coalition forces are comprised of a dizzying mix of militias, factions, tribal warlords and tribes with very local interests. And AQAP militants are intertwined with many of them.

One Yemeni commander who was put on the U.S. terrorism list for al-Qaida ties last year continues to receive money from the UAE to run his militia, his own aide told the AP. Another commander, recently granted $12 million for his fighting force by Yemen’s president, has a known al-Qaida figure as his closest aide."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

This stuff is all acknowledged by mainstream sources. If you think this is some wacky conspiracy theory you're a dumb liberal, sorry.
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 No.391861

Literally only because House of S*ud that adopted the genious idea of sending all of its young dissidents to islamist summer camps and then sending them off across the four corners of the world just so they would fuck off from Saudi Arabia.
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 No.391889

>>390416
I've heard stories of the CIA giving weapons to Syrian "pro-democracy" insurgents in Libya post-Gaddafi that found themselves into the hands of ISIS pretty quickly after shipping. There is also the Timber Sycamore op.
I'm utterly convinced that Islamic terrorism is basically GLADIO 2.0: funding fundamentalists to first fight against the Soviet bloc during the Cold War, then continuing to fuel it in order to institute a permanent state of emergency in Western countries and manage impoverishing proles thru fear, I think post-left anarchists are right.
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 No.391925

>>391889
The destabilization of the middle east is about keeping that region from forming coherent state institutions to make them more pliable to imperial oil monopolies. The US also has a century long standing foreign policy goal of preventing the formation of a Eurasian economically linked block.
That could be pitting Germany and Russia against each other, or carving a corridor of chaos through the middle east to undermine the BRI.
> to institute a permanent state of emergency in Western countries and manage impoverishing proles thru fear
They also do that, but it's not the sole cause.
>post-left
I would avoid those tendencies they tend to suffer from reactionary defeatism.
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 No.391944

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Muslims:
>Worship a god with Arabic names
>Have Arabic names themselves
>Read the Quran, a book written in Arabic
>Believe that the Quran can only be understood in Arabic
>Pray 5 times a day in Arabic in the direction of Makkah, an Arabian city
>Get in the 'face-down-ass-up' position twice during every rakat as they whisper words in Arabic to themselves
>Wear clothes that conform to Arabian standards
>Groom their bodies according to Arabian practices
>Get married according to Arabian customs
>Give their children Arabian names and teach them to repeat this cycle again


>Islam began as an Arab religion; it spread as an Arab empire. In Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia—the countries of my itinerary—I was traveling, therefore among people who had been converted to what was an alien faith. I was traveling among people who had had to make a double adjustment—an adjustment to the European empires of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries; and an earlier adjustment to the Arab faith. You might almost say that I was among people who had been doubly colonized, doubly removed from themselves.

Because I was soon to discover that no colonization had been so thorough as the colonization that had come with the Arab faith. Colonized or defeated peoples can begin to distrust themselves. In the Muslim countries I am talking about, this distrust had all the force of religion. It was an article of the Arab faith that everything before the faith was wrong, misguided, heretical; there was no room in the heart or mind of these believers for their pre-Mohammedan past. So ideas of history here were quite different from ideas of history elsewhere; there was no wish here to go back as far as possible into the past, and to learn as much as possible about the past.
Persia had a great past; it had been the rival in classical times of Greece and Rome. But you wouldn’t have believed it in Iran in 1979; for the Iranians, the glory and the truth had begun with the coming of Islam. Pakistan was a very new Muslim state. But the land was very old. In Pakistan were the ruins of the very old cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa. Fabulous ruins, the discovery of which earlier this century had given a new idea of the history of the subcontinent. Not only pre-Islamic ruins; but possibly also pre-Hindu
— Our Universal Civilization, Vidiadhar Surajprasad Naipaul
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 No.391957

tldr
I have come not come to bring peace but the sword
-JC
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 No.391968

poo in the loo
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 No.391977

tbh muslims are very weird in the way they see ethnicity
Like officially arabic is the lunguage of heaven and some of the most vocally racist people i know are from the arab peninsula (and algeria) but i have seen complaints from arabs that pakis are sectarian .
Its worth mentioning that much if the arabization happened the last 50 years
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 No.391983

>>391944
>the 'face-down-ass-up' position
lel
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 No.392004

Ok so what
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 No.392014

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Imagine complaining that a religion encourages people to understand it's religious texts.
I guess obscurantism where only a select few understand the texts and are supposed to dictate truth is prefrable.
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 No.392018

>>391977
mostly it came as a result of ignorance and geographic difficulties, technically we are following Islam the way it's meant to be followed
which means LARPing as Arabs
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 No.392020

It’s not tho and you don’t know what imperialism means
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 No.392029

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what does any of this have to do with leftism? if you want to larp as an ancient indian i'm sure there's plenty of hindutva forums around. you've been shitting up this place with your ethnic nationalist butthurt for days now.
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 No.392037

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>>389242
>>389232

>the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


Damn dude, forget muslims, we gotta deal with these nuclear power terrorists that massacre indiscriminately worldwide, especially the USA. Them americunts been racking quite the score in global terrorism, not to mention their acts of singular cruelty or brutality clearly designed to inspire fear.

Fuck me, famalam, word is they have everything , from famine to genocide to their name. And they even produce super costly propaganda videogames, movies books, you name it, where the most vile things are passed as righteous because the cult of USA is perpetrating them.
Like , dude, you can turn the TV any hour on any day and there'll be someone paid by the cult telling you how it's actually good to torture , starve , massacre or even genocide/eugenizice foreigners due to their inherent inferiority. Chilling shit, my guy.

Oh oh and their government has companies and doctors and whatever pump their own population FULL of narcotics, like up to the eyebrows in opiates for e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. No healthcare even, they spend all the money on terrorism, lavish megaluxury and child prostitution(and who knows what else with this savages) for their extremely corrupt leaders. Dude, it's so bad that the people who the government sactioned "doctors" pumped full of opiates to make bank off their addiction, have been turning to heroin and shit because it's *cheaper*.

Such a fucked up place, I tell ya.

I feel for the people stuck there but it needs to be dismantled, fam. And pronto, who knows what these crazies are capable of.
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 No.392043

>>392029
Hinduism is a fake meme religion, don't care for it at all, and I'm not a ethnic nationalist
I'm jut not fond of people here caping for the religion of the Arab Pedophile here, alright
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 No.392054

>>389232
>Hezbollah
>Houthis
>terrorism
fuck off hillary
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 No.392055

>>392043
are you the ex-musim guy
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 No.392115

>>392043
>caping for
no one here does this
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 No.392122

>>392043
>Hinduism is a fake meme religion
t. spiritual jew
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 No.392165

>>391849
imagine being so lost by US propaganda you dismiss known facts
retard

>>390117
yeah, I know your ilk would be collaborators fucks. And you would hopefully end up hanged from a street lamp by your fellow countrymen when your US sugar daddies eventually leave the country. faggot
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 No.392176

remember to sage this dumb thread
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 No.392250

>>389255
>Muslim bomb something
>The right think the Jews are to blame
>The left think the CIA is to blame
>Muslim bomb another thing
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 No.392259

>>392250
>the right thinks the jews rule society
>the left thinks the bourgeoisie rule society
wow they are the same, it's like a horse shoe
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 No.392336

>>392259
The CIA don't even obey the president. They even deal drugs to get untraceable funds.

My point was: when Muslims in the middle east kill people in the name of their god and moderate Muslims are fine with this, then Islam have a problem. Not Jews and not "the west".
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 No.392358

>>392336
>The CIA don't even obey the president. They even deal drugs to get untraceable funds.
Completely irrelevant to any point previously made in this thread.

>moderate Muslims are fine with this

Muslims are the ones who are most impacted by this sectarian violence by far, and they're also the vast majority of the people who put their lives on the line to combat it.

>then Islam have a problem

<problems are caused only by bad ideas in people's heads, let's not talk about material conditions or history
You are literally a Harrisite idealist.
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 No.392393

>>392358
Yes, sunni and shia Muslims both think they are the true Muslims and are more or less at war, and the fanatics fight the more or less secular states.
That have more to do with Islam being founded by a warlord and expanding thanks to military conquest than with the CIA.
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 No.392415

Most of those people you complain about come from UAE or Pakistan. They are angry people who are oppressed peoples who are encircled by America, a country that is openly claiming itself as Christian and hence as “crusaders”. I’m not Muslim, in fact I grew up as catholic but I believe they are justified in all that they do and will continue to be justified until America pulls out all economic influence, all political influence but a few diplomatic embassies, all military etc etc. not only that but it must maintain an air of neutrality at all times even if the country were to have a civil conflict and so trade relations would resume. Basically America should not exist in their country as nothing else other than a country they trade with.
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 No.392468

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>>389348
>this is probably a reason that holy wars and the killing of heretics are a bit more prominent in Islam than Christianity
Absolute meme, Christianity has destroyed entire civilisations in its genocidal spread across the world. Just look what Christian nations did to the native populations of the Americas, Australia etc. and also tried in Africa but luckily mostly failed there. In terms of raw historic numbres no religion comes close to the savagery of Christianity.
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 No.392471

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 No.392479

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>>392415
>members of the UAE are oppressed
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 No.392481

>>392479
So the average citizens are not economically fucked? Alongside a government run by an aristocratic family that are paying tribute to the US?
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 No.392498

>>392415
Pakistan was the only ally of the US in south Asia until a decade ago. They are by no mean oppressed by the US. And how are people from the emirate oppressed? By "crusaders" I mean?
Said crusaders give them trillions of $ for their gas. Their Indian and Philippines slaves are oppressed. By Emirates citizens.

>>392468
Christians are not the ones who killed the native, nor do they were killed in the name of a religion. One of the core tenets is to not kill, and if a Christians started to kill people, the Church would immediately excommunicate it. If a priest encouraged him, he would be excommunicated too and rejected by the other Christians.
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 No.392508

>>392498
>if a Christians started to kill people, the Church would immediately excommunicate it. If a priest encouraged him, he would be excommunicated too and rejected by the other Christians.
lmao so you're just a delusional christfag seething about the mohammedans
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 No.392509

>>392468
Please delete this, this is blasphemy.
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 No.392513

>>392498
Then why are average UAE citizens joining Islamic terrorist growls retard? They don’t like the US controlling their resources. The UAE aristocracy are US puppets.
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 No.392517

Islam came a few hundred years after Christianity. They are doing things similar to what Christians did a few hundred years ago. Also Islam developed in a different region than Christianity. Islam developed via the Ottoman Empire while Christianity was developed in Mediaeval Europe. These places have different material conditions. Despite what seems like common sense most Muslims don't live in the Middle East so only using people from the Middle East isn't a good way to judge Muslims as a whole. When it comes to general attitudes it's the result of a lot of foreign meddling. In the case of Iran it was because the last Shah oppressed Muslims and Islam too harshly which set dialectics in motion for a swing back of enraged religious people. Poor living conditions have poor education and you get more religious masses who seek religion as comfort. As for people that join often they had lost someone in an airstrike or just are desperate for money which these groups sometimes offer and they get in through friends and family mainly. There are many factors at play.
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 No.392539

>>392513
If the US controlled their resources, the average emirati would be a fisherman and a goat herder. Why would the US and Europe give them that much money?

The emiratis join the Islamic state because they believe they are the good guys, because they think it's the moral thing to do. If you are looking for an oppressed demographic in the emirate, don't look at the locals.


>>392517
Islam is a lot older than the Ottomans and it don't come from Turkey. Early expansion of Islam was an imperial conquest. Early Christian expansion was converting open minded people in the tolerant Roman empire. The guys in Nepal or Belarus are poor and live in the SOI of a major power, but they don't make ISISs.

Somalia, Madagascar, Siera Leone, Liberia are the poorest countries, and people here are violent by necessity, not because they fall in religion and their religion make them violent.
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 No.392549

>>392539
You’re definitely not a communist
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 No.392554

>>392549
he's a seething christian
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 No.393653

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>>391783
Muhammad was a terrible person. Your wife is just ignorant about their religion, as are most. Muslims. They believe in a fairytale version of Islam. Show this to your wife and make her explain. Watch her struggle or make up some BS excuse.
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 No.393700

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>>389232
Stop legitimizing the imperialist word for rebel. They're not terrorists, terrorists don't exist. Even the Islamic State pales in comparison to what the Assyrian King would do if he could get his hands on you.
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 No.393733

read samir amin now
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 No.393749

That's like saying, "give me a non-Christianophobic answer for why Christians embarked on the crusades." You wouldn't say that because no such word exists.
Stop with the harebrained neoliberalism, and true mind liberation is yours komrade.
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 No.393811

>>393749
That's not what neoliberalism means you retarded faggot
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 No.393838

>>392498
>>392539
>Christians are not the ones who killed the native, nor do they were killed in the name of a religion. One of the core tenets is to not kill, and if a Christians started to kill people, the Church would immediately excommunicate it. If a priest encouraged him, he would be excommunicated too and rejected by the other Christians.
>Early expansion of Islam was an imperial conquest. Early Christian expansion was converting open minded people in the tolerant Roman empire.
Why the fuck do you feel the need to lie? This is, among other things, why I eventually had to stop being a tradcath, because you have to develop this absurd mythology where the church never itself ordered anything reprehensible and that everything bad that was ever done was only done by a few bad apples that always correctly punished by the church, except when they completely weren't. Let's ignore the literal genocide which occured in Europe itself regarding alleged heretic faiths and the nepotistic political backstabbing and appeasing which occured throughout Europe. Many, if not most Christians, were never excommunicated for killing, not even in the case of bloodiest conflicts in Europe. How exactly do you rationalize the Church even condoning something as petty as the Stedinger CrusadeI wonder? And perhaps you should look up what those Christians did in "tolerant Rome" after they took power.
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 No.393848

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I like to think of it in this way;
Imagine for a moment an alternate post-Roman Europe in which Christianity fails to become the prevalent religion and Islam spreads from North Africa, Spain, and Persia into Western Europe and further into the Balkans - fast forward to the modern day, I think we would see Christian terrorist groups not far removed from what we, in our Christian-dominated world, see in Islamic militiant groups.

It is a case of religious conflict that has persisted over hundreds of years, with Christianity not providing a wide array of insurgent systems because they already hold a majority dominion over the imperial epicenters of the world - whereas Islam, most popular in post-colonial or developing countries does not have the same hegemony and so exists within the material conditions to spark an overwhelming militiant movement.

This is also not to say that Christianity, despite being hegemonic in the economic centers of the world, hasn't committed terrorism. Simply their "terrorism" is given a justification, and therefore isn't considered as such. I mean, what else would you call the barbaric conquistadors who put the indigenous people to the sword if they refused Christianity, is that not religious terror?

All organized religion is a sham, etcetera, etcetera. I'm preaching to the choir, no pun intended. You guys probably know this already. We'd also probably see less terror groups if the CIA stopped fucking funding them.
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 No.393863

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>>390100
>national liberation bullshit is reactionary as fuck
Get fucked
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 No.393890

>>392498
LMAO, this → >>392508
Another prime example would be the Crusades. Christians are the biggest barbarians of all theist cucks.

>>392509
LMAO kys, loser. Video related
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 No.393891

>>393890
Huh, weird. Occasionally, I get this bug, where the site reloads, when I post something with a video and then fails to uplead the video.
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 No.393994

>>389232
Not all those groups are terrorists.

The Taliban for example literally just defend their country.
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 No.393996

>>393848
>muslim Austria
give about 20 years kek
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 No.394001


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