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 No.381176[Last 50 Posts]

Guess there aren't any vaccine threads yet as of now. So what do y'all think about vaccines? Do you oppose it like /pol/'ers or support it like what's expected from the left wing?
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 No.381187

How about shove you a needle up your ass instead?
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 No.381192

>>381176
The vaccines work, for now.
However, the capitalists are intent on extracting as much profit out of their distribution as possible.
This contradicts with the supposed goal of stamping out the disease effectively. They don't really want to waive vaccine patents, they don't want to donate vaccines to poor nations, and they don't want to donate vaccine supplies.
It's just like the lockdowns. They want to halfass it and exploit the situation for maximum profit. Therefore I oppose their efforts, since they are not genuine in their aims in the first place.
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 No.381193

>>381192
Also I should add that I think part of their botching their own plans here is on purpose, in order to encourage emergence of mutant variants. This will allow them to continuously sell new shots.
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 No.381208

2 little shots, not a big deal. Didn't even feel side effects. It's free and worth it to avoid dying of Covid. Reports are coming out in different states across the USA that 90+%, 95+%, or even 100% in some cases of the currently hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated.

Capitalism's once again subordinating public health to the profit motive by re-opening the economy, lifting lockdowns and mask mandates etc. while the pandemic is accelerating with the Delta and now Lambda and who knows what other variants might develop now.

We need a real lockdown, test-and-trace, full public vaccination etc. and we needed it yesterday. China did that and they got it all under control, contained the pandemic within a couple months, way back last year early in the pandemic.
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 No.381210

>>381176
Porkies desperately want everyone to forget about the virus and get back to fucking work, so they pushed hard on the vaccines since testing + lockdowns was the only alternative, and since testing is expensive and any kind of planned shutdown would hurt the bottom line, they were never going to endorse that. Unfortunately, because capitalist states and media have proven to be completely untrustworthy and willing to harm the public so many times in the past, the reflexive attitude many people take when hearing that these institutions want us to do something is to immediately presume that there is some nefarious purpose behind their desires. The state department wants proles to take the vaccine because they want things to go back to normal, but since no one trusts them, they think the vaccines will inject id chips or the ooze from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or some shit into their bloodstream. It's an unfortunate case of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Personally, I'm waiting for Novavax, because while the mRNA vaccines are probably fine for the most part, there haven't been any longitudinal studies for humans on them, and I don't want to find out 10 years down the line that I got some autoimmune disorder because I couldn't wait a few months for an old-fashioned recombinant subunit vaccine.
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 No.381249

>>381176
they probably work and opposing them is largely schizoism
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 No.381251

>>381208
Fucking this. Halfass-ing lockdowns doesn’t work. The reliance on service economy is basically a death blow for attempts at containment.
>>381176
Had it already. Got some minor side effects but all in all fine. We need a mass distribution of vaccines.
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 No.381254

I'm never taking the shot.
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 No.381257

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There's literally Zero evidence that supports anything retards on pol, or, whatever other places people lurk these days to get these crazy ideas from; that supports the notion that Vaccinations cause any type of long term side effects. There may bay issues on the very very margins from trial runs, but, that is to be expected. Anyone who believes shit about vaccines causing autism are fucking morons. I got my vaccination and I am fine.
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 No.381258

>>381192
This is actually a very based take.
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 No.381259

>>381210
>Work
>In the modern society.

Most capital is financial these days, anon and it's only ramping up to get more and more tied up in speculative financial markets. If only some one could have predicted this….
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 No.381286

>>381259
Fair point, I should've said "get back to fucking spending," but capitalism does still demand that proles put themselves through the grind to sustain it. Lockdowns didn't put a dent in the world economies purely over financial speculation.
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 No.381292

Old school twitter MLs hate it
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 No.381307

>>381292
If you mean Phil Greaves, say Phil Greaves.
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 No.381308

>>381176

Vaccination promotes the materialism half of historical materialism and is therefore good praxis so long as you don't pay for it. Half the road to class consciousness is getting people to stop believing in ghosts, nanochips and cow shit.

Even New Atheism, despite its reactoid character, had this value.

There can be no class consciousness without materialism and the idealist evangelical antivaxxer nigs will be first on my list, alongside vaxporkies who will be expropriated.
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 No.381315

I'm getting the Sinovac vaccine in a few days. I feel based for going through the pandemic without catching the coof
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 No.381318

The patents on the vaccines should be waived so that the secret plan to mass sissify the males, with the most emphasis on the yts, can proceed quickly and therefore finally the cabal can inflict payback for all those buck broken black bulls foiled from the cuckoldry of all the virgin yts.
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 No.381372

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I got both my doses and I feel fine!
Though, I have a really strange urge to consume state-owned news outlets and support intelligence agencies.
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 No.381491

How many vaccines do you already have? Tetanus, polio, smallpox… Why is one more so scary?
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 No.381513

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>>381176
>>381491
because it's Communism!!!
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 No.381523

>>381513
Of course it fucking shoehorns "DA JOOOOZ" in as well.
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 No.381535

i got two pfizer shots and was ok, first shot did make me feel a little bad for a few days and very mildly fatigued for a week. second had almost nothing at all, one day of that very mild fatigue feeling.

there is no evidence to support the need for a 'delta booster', that so far just seems to be them wanting to inject you for profit. because capitalism does things like this does not mean it does not also produce useful things, you just have to be cautious.
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 No.381543

>>381535
>there is no evidence to support the need for a 'delta booster'
Even Fauci agrees, I recall him responding to that like "no, what the fuck"
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 No.381638

>>381543
No, what he said was

>Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that there is no need for Americans to get a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, according to current data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).


>On CNN’s “State of the Union,” host Jake Tapper asked the nation's leading infectious diseases expert if booster shots could theoretically help vulnerable people, referring to a Reuters report that said Israel would start offering a third Pfizer shot to adults it considered vulnerable.


>“Well, certainly they theoretically could. What the CDC and the FDA were saying, Jake, is that right now, given the data and the information we have, we do not need to give people a third shot, a boost superimposed upon the two doses you get with the mRNA and the one dose you get with [Johnson & Johnson],” Fauci said.


>However, Fauci said that research is currently being conducted to determine if this guidance will change. He cautioned that the current guidance did not imply it would not be changed later.


More wishy-washy bullshit from the "there's no evidence that people need to wear masks" shill. The CDC doesn't know shit because they're actively going out of their way to not know anything or say anything that contradicts the "pandemic's over!" narrative.
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 No.381641

Oppose. It's a money making exercise for the bourgeoisie and many workers have been killed or maimed by dodgy vaccines.
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 No.381644

>>381641
fuck off you absolute retard dipshit
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 No.381648

>>381644
Don't think I will, Pfizer.
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 No.381654

There is no material reason not to get the FDA-approved vaccines, there is no credible evidence that the vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they protect you from.
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 No.381658

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 No.381662

>>381644
it's the same user that always complaint about vaccines.
>>381176
>support it like what's expected from the left wing?
i wonder how is behind this post…
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 No.381673

>>381176
>y'all
Speak English.
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 No.381675

>>381641
Would you take the Cuban vaccine if you could?
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 No.381686

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 No.381694

>>381686
Why? It seems to work for them
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 No.381704

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>>381307
Rest my case
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 No.381706

covid is real but the vaccine is fake also the anti vaccine ppl are actually being paid by the cia to convince the population that vaccines are real
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 No.381712

>>381704
He's right as usual.
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 No.381716

>>381694
Does it? Or perhaps Cuba just has a healthier population, better health systems and isn't fabricating cases to justify endless lockdown and wage depression and suppression of working class freedom.
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 No.381723

>getting a rushed vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% recovery rate

not even worth my time
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 No.381727

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 No.382114

>>381723
>implying version Delta doesn't have upgraded lethality
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 No.382115

>>382114
99.7825% recovery rate then.
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 No.382132

>>381491
Exactly. So many idiots on this board lol
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 No.382179

>>382114
>jreg
Cringe.
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 No.382180

>>382115
In my country it has a 8% mortality rate
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 No.382224

>>382132
Bruh don't say that. A lot of people have based their entire personality around not getting vaccinated. You shouldn't be so rude towards their new identity
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 No.382230

>>382115
>the problem isn't bad now, so it can't get worse later
>mutations aren't a thing
>hurr the recovery rate is high so there's no problem because I live in a world of unlimited medical resources and fairy dust
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 No.382247

>>381491
I got those when I was a child/baby I didn't get to choose.
This being said I wouldn't take an imperialist vaccine EVER. I would take the cuban vaccine tho.

Also there's the obvious difference of those vaccines being tested for decades all over the world with tons of information about them, unlike the COVID imperialist vaccine that has been pumped out as fast as legally possible with little data about it.

I'm relatively young so I won't be dying of covid anytime soon, and even if I did why do people care? You still can spread the virus while vaccinated and still can get sick and die. I still don't get why people seethe so hard at people who don't want to get vaccinated. I also have private insurance so I won't be clogging any public hospitals if I get sick.
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 No.382386

>>381543
He also said last year that the virus was of zoonotic origin. Then last month said he wasn't convinced of that.
He originally said not to wear masks. Then he said to wear masks…
Not sure he ever opposed reopening schools, but when he suddenly started supporting it that was quite something.
It seems he's a political tool. If the new line is "you need a booster shot", he will say that's what to do. We just aren't there yet.
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 No.382404

>>381727
Yes really.
How do cretins who think workers should be locked up at home think they can defend Cuba?
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 No.382406

>>382404
who is locked up at home
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 No.382774

>>381662
>i wonder how is behind this post…
Have you ever been exposed to far right media at first place? Or have you visited conservative sites before? Once you’ve done that, come back to me.
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 No.382778

>>381673
>Speak English
You must be a troll, bot, or maybe you’re just thinking that I’m a liberal. I’ll tell you what, I’m centrist, independent, and open to different opinions.
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 No.383073

>>382406
Effectively everyone. And wait till you need a code to enter shops.
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 No.383207

>>381176
Got my 2nd dose of Moderna and I can feel my lord Gates gently caressing my mind
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 No.383634

>>381176
got it because lockdowns and masks are unfun
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 No.384572

>>382180
You're right, those totally real stats convinced me. We need to stay locked at home for five more years.
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 No.384574

>>382230
We're tired of your fearmongering. We've veen robbed of two years of our lives over a flu.
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 No.384576

New here. Are people here brainwashed lockdown cucks?
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 No.384638

>>384574
>robbed
If you didn't follow the lockdown wtf got robbed tard.
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 No.384653

He actually believes governments are half-assing the quarantines on purpose to promote new strains and new vaccines to be sold and not because they're simply incompetent and don't want to lose money.
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 No.384655

>>384638
>ban restaurants, gyms, irl uni classes, parks, bars, meeting friends, shops, etc. over a flu
You're a wannabe dictator
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 No.384657

>>384653
There shouldn't be any quarantine. If you are afraid of the meme flu, stay at home yourself.
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 No.384723

>>384655
>normalfag shit
fuck off
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 No.384727

>>384723

If sitting in your house being a boring fuck is your idea of a great time you can do it, but fuck off telling us what to do
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 No.384733

some extremely large brains on this site
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 No.384748

>>384727
If your only two choices are being stuck in your house (because that's the only property you actually own) and paying rent to porky literally everywhere you go to alleviate boredom, then that's an excellent example of immiseration among abundance under capitalism, as well as alienation.
The freedums granted to the bourgeoisie subject are so incredibly pitiful. Society really is an open prison.
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 No.384758

>>384574
>robbed of two years of our lives
You've been robbed of your whole life, past and future, by the existence of wage slavery.
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 No.384768

>>384727
>He needs more entertainment than internet, anime and videogames

This is why you will never overthrow the bourgeoise.
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 No.384774

disable the redirect for several months

there are too many retarded newfaggots

remove the rapemigrants from site
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 No.384775

disable the redirect for several months

there are too many retarded newfaggots

remove the rapemigrants from site
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 No.384777

disable the redirect for several months

there are too many retarded newfaggots

remove the rapemigrants from site
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 No.384778

>>384774
>>384775
>>384777
Fuck off, go post your shit on /meta/
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 No.384797

Vaccine is best because I'll get jannie'd if I say it isn't.
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 No.384827

if Stalin threw vaccine deniers in a gulag this board would fawn over it
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 No.384909

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>>384727
The real revolution is running on the hamster wheel of the bourgeoisie, obviously. And pressuring your peers into running with you!
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 No.385162

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>>381176
I got the vaccine because you can't get autism twice.
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 No.385205

Does anyone know how this mrna shit even works? Ive watched like 4 videos and i still dont get the technicals. I dont trust porky tk 'instruct' my cells to do anything properly. Dont want to get it and find out it causes cancer 10 years down the line. Fml just want the cuban or reverse vector one that one makes sense at least.
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 No.385218

>>384576
Yes, this website is not a good fit for you, please go somewhere else.
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 No.385222

Vaccination as a concept is sound. Most of us, I hope, are not denying germ theory.

Trusting any vaccine slavishly, or believing any of this corona nonsense, is fucking retarded.

Note how the "debate" is aggressively pushed between two ridiculous positions, which encompass the entire universe of positions one may take in "political" discussions.

I know you /pol FAGS revel in this, because you're fucking animals and should be put down. Unfortunately, this coronafascism isn't killing any of you, since you are active participants. The ops to retard any discussion are fast and furious on the internet. The really big scoop is not whether "The Science" is correct, but that the regime just authorized Aktion-T4 and total class warfare. All of this for the fucking common cold. It's so ludicrous, they could only push it through after four years of Trump faggotry at maximum volume.
Thanks a lot assholes for enabling this nonsense and killing millions of people around the world already. Of course you're happy with it, because you have no souls. Again, I will be overjoyed when people like /pol are put down like animals.
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 No.385245

>>385205
The more I try to dissect the Porky / Porky-friendly explanations, the more confusing it is. You do have to get over the mystification of "gene therapy" and the delusions of eugenic "medicine", but what I gather is that the mRNA thingy is supposed to be kind of like the virus and provoke the creation of the spike protein. That is probably why you see some of the reactions like fever - because you're basically getting the virus or something like it, rather than a weakened form of it. Normal vaccination involves a weaker, basically inert strain, of a disease that has severe effects and does not exist in too many varieties. For example, smallpox. These coronaviruses are much too weak and vary too much, because you're basically trying to vaccinate against common colds. And that's the real problem, because every common cold or things like it are being called "COVID-19" and the testing methodology is pretty shit at distinguishing the different viruses. Hence all the "variants", because there are a lot of coronaviruses out there that do the same thing, a respiratory infection. This gets compounded by deliberate policy from the states and institutions to exacerbate the crisis for political gain. This is different from China, in which the objectives of the CCP are to (ostensibly) protect against a disease, but more importantly stay in power. I'm pretty sure the CCP was getting pressured to do something "for the team", but were smart enough to keep their stranglehold on power and root out a lot of foreign spies. No one within China is anywhere close to rivaling the CCP, and the CCP already has all the power it wants to pass whatever law it wants, like forced vaccination and arbitrary imprisonment. That matter is settled. In America and Europe, the governments want to be like China in that regard, but the people won't accept it. Therefore there's a long effort (that didn't just start last year) to break people down and get them to squeal. Hence all the posturing, deliberately contradictory orders, lies, and of course, the eugenics of all of it. The CCP doesn't tout eugenics like screaming maniacs, but the ruling order of whitey is wholly given over to eugenics as a doctrine. That is their grand plan and mission. It's all they have left, since the whole capitalism thing hasn't worked for a long fucking time and they know it. The CCP, whatever you might say about them, are a lot more pragmatic and their upper strata isn't full of incompetents.

So getting back to your question - of course it doesn't work, and it's causing side-effects never before seen in a typical vaccine. Vaccines normally already have quite a few complications, hence why most of the civilized world doesn't go apeshit with a vaccine for every disease. You'd have to judge the risks of vaccination against the risks of an outbreak. The particular disease and its epidemiology has a lot to do with what would work, too. We HAD protocols for an event like this, which were all thrown out the moment oil prices crash. Then, suddenly we must all lock down, all at once, around the world, like the virus travels at warp speed. Then curfews, because the virus apparently travels only at night. So, of course, none of what has happened is about preventing any death from any disease. It's a fucking travesty that any of this nonsense is accepted, but capitalism is dead. The only thing keeping some of the people half-alive is the free money checks and unemployment, so they go along with the story because they know they ain't getting anything else. If the ruling class has to admit that the economic order was fucking garbage, that would be on the people who rule, and we can't have THAT, can we? Of course not. They're the bestest and brightest and who are we to question them. (And if you want to see where China is heading, they're going to have the same problem or worse in a generation, except they have even further to fall than America, who has further to fall than the USSR.)
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 No.385436

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>>382114
that one was actually pretty good
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 No.387515

>>385245
Nice post. So you mentioned a concern of mine as well. Essentially we've been trying to eradicate what's basically the flu. With that said it seems like we're all fucked. Correct me if I'm wrong but the way viruses work is they just get stronger with every immunization there is? So in America for example when we finally locked down. We did it indiscriminately. Instead of locking down more vulnerable people ie, elderly, people with comprised immune systems we said fuck it no one can go out etc. So rather than nixing the shit and letting healthier people go out, catch it and heal. We've likely already made the thing stronger to start with. Fast forward to now where we have an excess of vaccines but in many states people still have to wear mask despite social distancing. And when a new variant drops we're still patching this vax to thwart it when we should probably just let healthier people catch it, heal, spread immunity and get on with our lives. Since, we're doing basically the opposite this is beginning to look like a loop. Is there a way out at this rate? Am I wrong here or are us Burgers like we usually do just making shit 10x worse?
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 No.387555

>>381176
>Like what's expected of the left
uygha are you retarded? Vaccines work, imbecile.
As others have very well noted, the ruling class is retarded, badly organized, and extremely short term oriented. That's why these things will keep dragging the economy while countries with governments that don't hate their people will propsoer.
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 No.387576

>>384572
It may surprise you to hear this, but not everyone posting on this site is a firstie with a medical system that has the access to every resource on the planet
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 No.387613

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>>387515
Viruses get stronger the more people catch it, because more infected hosts speeds up the chances for the virus to find "beneficial" mutations and create stronger strains.

The only good solution is early containment where you get rid of the virus before it can infect many people. Also viruses are not just targeting sick and old people. Some viruses mostly kill off young fit people and let old people live. It's not a predator that only catches the weak pray. This intuition doesn't apply It's a microorganism that plays by a different set of rules than macroscopic organisms.

What I'm saying here is that stopping this virus isn't just about protecting vulnerable sections of the population, because if this thing is allowed to evolve it could eventually attack every section of the population. You have no guarantees about how much more human casualties this thing will reap before it fizzles out. So far Covid was pretty mild for a plague, but it could evolve into something more deadly and we don't know the long term side effects yet, so don't get too cocky, Nature can be extremely metal.
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 No.387618

So we both admit capitalist systems are evil. We both can list a litany of complaints about the hundreds of times capitalists have swindled the citizens of this world we share, under false pretense, only to laugh in their face as they count their profits.
And yet here some of you are, begging your government, begging the capitalists to inject you with unproven science sizzurp, in order to protect you from a meme virus. I'm sorry, but many of you are what we call a fucking mark. A green fish. You're dinner to Mr Porkberg.
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 No.387657

>>387576
What does that have to do with the media-induced hysteria?
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 No.387681

>>387618
you will never be a threat to capitalism, grow up
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 No.387706

>>387618
i dont want the vaccine if im honest
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 No.387708

>>387618
You will never be white
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 No.387710

>>387618
I only take the based Sputnik V
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 No.387713

I took the J&J one and I guess I have fixed feelings. All these headlines about how sketchy side-effects doesn't reassure me. And the headlines about how J&J had to recall their sunscreen because it had cancer chemicals in it wasn't nice either. I had no side effects personally, but fucking J&J. Very unlikely I'm taking another vaccine because I don't want to be in such a narrow group of people (only 9% of US population took J&J).
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 No.387723

why are the people overly sceptical of vaccines, anti maskers or people who deny the existence of covid ALWAYS right wingers? you can see it clearly in germany with the querdenker, literally all of them are extremely reactionary. same with anti maskers in burgerland.
does mental retardation explain this sufficiently? or is there something about being a reactionary that lends itself to falling for this shit?
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 No.387727

Took Sinopharm today, feeling a bit tired but that's all
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 No.387729

>>387723
Covid exists, it just happens to be a nothing burger.
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 No.387738

>>381638
Dude they're literally doing research on the vaccine cause they aren't sure, would you rather then say ya it's definitely safe, not investigate it at all and then come out and be like oops we fucked up, or would you rather them tell you they aren't sure and are working on it?
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 No.387745

>>384827
As they should
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 No.387765

>>387729
>it just happens to be a nothing burger
idk if all those dead people would agree with you
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 No.387769

>>387723
There are two main causes, stupidity + anti establishment views that make people distrust all authority. The distrust of authority can have numerous causes from arrogance to trying to justify why they should be allowed to do shit that will fuck over others, the types of people who complain about big government. Stupidity is tied to arrogance so it's usually both in the case of anti-vaxers. Because alot of these people bitch about big government are right wingers, they are overly represented in the anti vax crowd. The hatered comes from how fucked over alot of people where during the pandemic which made them feel the government was incompetent (true) and so they blindly mistrust everything related to the covid response. This leads to some truly insane shit like DeSantis not allowing business to "discriminate" against those who don't want to get the vaccine. There are other people like those who are just concerned the vaccine isn't safe and also those who think all modern medicine makes your body less pure or natural or whatever but those come from all over the political spectrum.
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 No.387792

>>387657
Because 99% is the survival rate*
*with medical treatment
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 No.387794

>>387723
their sus meter is overworked
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 No.387797

>>387792
What treatment? Do you have stats about the mortality rate among people not put on ventilators?
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 No.387798

>>387765
People who died from what? How old were they? Were they obese? Did they have their lungs blown out by ventilators?
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 No.387801

Anyone know if the based Abdala vaccine will be used outside Cuba?
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 No.387804

>>387798
people in India and Iraq are dying because of a lack of oxygen tanks and ventilators, stop being an idiot. this is such fucking stupid bullshit from burger brained retards.
>no you see those people DESERVED to die
cool then for the next virus that comes along we should have you get infected first to see how bad it is.
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 No.387813

>>387798
We have this retards again? Fuck
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 No.387823

>>387801
In Venezuela at first, then there was some talks with Iran (you know, sanctions) Argentina and Bolivia.
Probably they will work with other poor nations, as always.
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 No.387825


>>387804
>people in India and Iraq are dying because of a lack of oxygen tanks and ventilators
Source? Also I never said anyone deserved to do it, you hypocrite.
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 No.387837

>>387825
>Source?
look it up retard, there are plenty of articles on issues in third world countries with oxygen supply and general medical supplies
>Also I never said anyone deserved to do it, you hypocrite.
that's basically what you are saying by insinuating it's okay if the obese or old die from the rona, they don't count. nevermind that many people in other countries are not as obese as the average surburban USano and have died in greater numbers proportionally because of failing health services, same as what happened in NYC last year.

it's always been pushed that corona would be worse in the third world and it's been proven correct. only sheltered burgers have the distinguished honor of being the home of the "it's just a hoax bro but I still want to nuke China" theories. fuck off and kill yourself you enormous faggotron
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 No.387849

>>387555
Have you been exposed to right wing information before? It's all over the internet so I guess if the right hates it then the left supports it. I'm no seer. I just base my information off that.
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 No.387851

>>387710
Sinovac? Sinopharm? CanSino? You forgot those?
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 No.387858

>>387837
You are a gullible sheep, people like you are the reason we've been robbed of our lives for close to two years now. People like you should be imprisoned. You lap up everything the sensationalistic media tells you, you're brainwashed. Also I'm from a third world country and the fearmongering behind covid is a thing here as well.
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/25/indias-covid-crisis-has-been-hijacked-the-mainstream-media-are-lying-to-you/
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 No.387871

>>387837
>nevermind that many people in other countries are not as obese as the average surburban USano and have died in greater numbers proportionally because of failing health services, same as what happened in NYC last year.

Source for this? Or are you gonna cop out once again?
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 No.387879

Interesting how before the covid thing started there were studies on how ventilators could be harmful yet you never hear about ventilator malpractice these days.
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 No.387880

>>387858
>cites FAGGOT media
lol
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 No.387881

>>387858
>daily expose
come try and throw me in prison, faggot
>>387871
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-health-government-and-politics-fires-coronavirus-pandemic-914f1988948843e9ac12e872c685ab40
inb4 fake news, they didn't stage a fucking fire in case you were wondering, some urban centers literally cannot cope, corona is just the cherry on top of existing issues
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 No.387889

>>387798
ask me how i know youre a burger
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 No.387893

>>387881
>covid is the new black plague because a hospital caught fire
No need to imprison you, you already do so yourself, willingly. All over a meme flu.
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 No.387898

>>387879
Loads more killed by drugs and vaccines too.
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 No.387901

>>387723
Nice false flag.
Plenty of communists oppose it.
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 No.387904

>>387893
>hurf durf it's a meme flu because i wasn't personally affected
bitch i'm a burger, i go out all the time because my county doesn't give a fuck. it doesn't change what people in Baghdad or New Delhi a couple of months ago were facing. until you can perceive that there is a wider world beyond your suburb there is no point talking to you fools. utter foolishness to a point of suicide ideation. you are in no position to call others sheep when you're the frog slowly boiling in the pot.
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 No.387907

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>>387901
Meanwhile at the other end of the spectrum… far out onto the mainstream…
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 No.387910

>>387851
Westerners probably don't even know these exist lol
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 No.387911

Just shows how stupid the average w*Sternoid pleb is. 1 in 2000 died in 1.5 years of the most scary pandemic in human history (most of them 70+). Was a great opportunity to:
1) Solve political problems
2) Make money on vaccines
3) Test the stupidity of proles. Next time they'll tell you should eat shit and live in tents because global warming and you'll do what you're told.
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 No.387915

>>387910
Oh! They (Sinovac) have built something of a factory or plant here in Indonesia
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 No.387917

>>387915
With the help of Bio Farma, a local pharma company
cnbcindonesia.com/tech/20200925115508-37-189415/sinovac-kunjungi-pabrik-bio-farma-produksi-vaksin-dimulai
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 No.387919

>>387904
I'm not even American, retard.
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 No.387923

>>387915
Indonesia isn't really western, fren
Firsties are only allowed to get vaccinated under the condition of being guinea pigs for pfizzer and moderna kek
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 No.387939

>>381712
Shut the fuck up, Phil.
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 No.387983

There were massive proletarian protests against forced vaccinations in France recently. Not a peep about it on leftypol.

This board is laughably disconnected from real proletarian struggle.
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 No.387990

>>387983
there were some peeps, mainly laughing at US media coverage of Cuba vs that. but you also probably didn't know about the anti-"global security" law protests so it's probably tit-for-tat
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 No.388029

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 No.388034

>>387983
Cope and seethe, porky will inject vaccines into your asshole and you WILL enjoy it
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 No.388046

>>388029
the chad CPC: force a billion people to get vaccinated
the virgin western leftist: [this thread]
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 No.388051

>>388034
I'll inject an axe to them first.
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 No.388054

>>388029
btw Xi is a dumbass, he's just lucky that Chinese nurses and doctors and construction workers worked their asses off. literally all he had to do was sit and wait for the US to fuck itself over.
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 No.388100

>>388046
>the chad CPC: force a billion people to get vaccinated
Vaccinations were voluntary
>>388054
>Xi is a dumbass, he's just lucky that Chinese nurses and doctors and construction workers worked their asses off.
I don't think that there system worked because they are dumb or lucky
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 No.388645

This is 100% the media's fault
>Trump speeds up vaccine development because he thinks it will get him elected
>Burger media cannot let the orange man win, start spreading FUD about the vaccines under the perception that Trump will use them to get votes
>Pfizer stalls announcement purely so Trump can't use them to win
>Trump loses, vaccines are announced
>Lib media and tech companies now have their guy in, but now they have to deal with the mess they made to get him in
The Biden admin, tech and media have a massive legitimacy crisis on their hands, but they refuse to recognize this and think they can solve vaccine hesitancy by hyping it up… which only makes the people who are against getting vaccinated MORE afraid of it, because they already hate the people who are telling them to get vaccinated.
Best thing to do would have been to get right wing and religious talking heads on board early on, but they missed that boat and alt-medicine guys bought them off instead.
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 No.388647

Its been politicised out the ass for the most ridiculous reasons. 15 years ago the anti vax people would have been thoroughly mocked as half wits but somehow they've gotten leverage.
Remember, in 20 years time when someone tells you how many people died due to socialism, tell them how many people died due to right wing insistence that vaccines aren't safe.
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 No.388653

>>388029
China locked down good. Vaccinations were optional at that point. And at the rate virus is mutating, pointless.
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 No.388656

>>388647
The democrats are more at fault imo. It was easy to see that the people to their right distrusted them and thought they were planning to hurt them. They should have just let Trump have it, but they instead decided to make it a culture war issue where getting vaccinated was the democrat thing to do. Anglo right wingers in other countries just follow whatever their burger counterparts do so it spread from there.
IDK about the situation in countries outside the Anglosphere. I know anti-vaccination is at its most violent and extreme in France for some reason.
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 No.388669

>>388656
>democrats
As I said, the right
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 No.388672

>>388669
right, I assumed you were repeating the common sentiment that anti-vaccine stuff was purely the fault of far right grifters like Candice Owens
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 No.388674

>>387858
>people like you are the reason we've been robbed of our lives for close to two years now
tfw the proletariat FOMO for the horrors of capitalist life.
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 No.388681

"People should die because preventing it inconveniences me" and "it's irrelevant, because mortality rate isn't even that high" are signs of terminal-stage liberalism and should be treated with execution. Mortality rate argument makes sense only in the minds of people who treat other people like cattle.
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 No.388684

>>388046
Look at the rate too. April to July. That's like 20 million vaccinations per day. Only around 40% have gotten the double dose which on par with the United States.
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 No.388687

>>388684 (me)
But still, that's ridiculously fast once they started rolling it out. It's a different mentality and system.
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 No.388691

>>388681
Nobody said that people should die. I bet you didn't give a damn about going out two years ago despite people dying of the flu, you hypocrite.
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 No.388695

>>388691
Plenty of people last year said that if it came between grandma dying of COVID and a lockdown preventing me from having restaurants, then it's goodbye grandma.
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 No.388704

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>>388691
>umm, akshually, nobody literally said that people should die
>they just kept brining up (manipulated to appear low) mortality rates for no reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>y-you just a hypocrite!
Cope, shitlib. I self-isolate as a rule, and have been for decades. I laugh at all the little vomit-stains "suffering" in isolation.
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 No.388729

>>388704
Death rates are inflated if anything
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 No.388733

>>388729
the only thing inflated is your ego to compensate for how retarded you are
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 No.388746

>>388729
>June 29, 2020
>Florida Scientist Says She Was Fired For Not Manipulating COVID-19 Data
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data
>Rebekah Jones says that was the beginning of a pattern, health department officials requesting changes to information on the site. She complied with those initial requests because she felt it wasn't her place to dictate policy. Then she says she was asked to lower the percentage of positive COVID-19 cases in some counties so that they were under the threshold to reopen. She said, no.
>December 8, 2020
>Florida Agents Raid Home Of Rebekah Jones, Former State Data Scientist
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944200394/florida-agents-raid-home-of-rebekah-jones-former-state-data-scientist
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 No.388803

>>382247
>i wouldn't take an imperialist vaccine EVER
>i'm relatively young

we already knew anon

also all you faggots in this thread talking about not taking a vaccine because it helps porky are doing the inverse of the whole 'socialists with an iphone' critique by not taking full advantage of anything that will benefit you materially because of your ideology
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 No.388812

>>388803
Cool, still not taking the vaccine tho. Now please explain why do you get so mad at my personal decisions.
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 No.388854

>>388812
not mad, just critiquing your reasoning. you do you man
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 No.389946

bump
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 No.390155

>>388645
The mist unvaccinated demographic is working class people, and working class black people especially. The perception that this is all Trumptards refusing to get the vaccine because they hate the blues is obfuscating how federally mandated time off and compensation for getting the vaccine would solve a large part of this problem, and how porky is going to use the unvaccinated population as a scape goat for opening back up again.
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 No.390191

>>387797
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7781141/

>Conclusions: Almost half of patients with COVID-19 receiving IMV died based on the reported CFR [case fatality rate], but variable CFR reporting methods resulted in a wide range of CFRs between studies. The reported CFR was higher in older patients and in early pandemic epicenters, which may be influenced by limited ICU resources. Reporting of definitive outcomes on all patients would facilitate comparisons between studies.


[…]

>This is a large international systematic review and meta-analysis to examine global reports of CFRs for adult patients with COVID-19 receiving IMV. The reported CFR was 45% across all 69 studies, but this included patients still in the hospital. Among all 54 studies, lowest possible to best possible hospital CFR ranged from 43% to 67%. Among patients with a known hospital outcome, the definitive hospital CFR was 56%. We observed no statistical difference between continents. Older patients had a higher CFR, and the CFR was higher in the early COVID-19 epicenters of Wuhan and New York compared with that of other studies from the same country.


>The CFR observed in this review of patients with COVID-19 is similar to that of previous outbreaks of severe respiratory infections. Studies from SARS-CoV in 2003 reported a CFR of 45–48% in patients receiving IMV (93, 94), and more recent studies from the Middle East respiratory syndrome reported a 60–74% CFR in critically ill patients (95, 96). In contrast, the CFR is lower in critically ill patients suffering from H1N1 influenza A, in which the CFR of patients receiving IMV was 24.2–26.5% (97). The reported CFR from severe acute respiratory distress syndrome before COVID-19 was lower at 45% (98, 99) when compared with the definitive CFR from COVID-19.


>The CFR of patients receiving IMV among studies from Wuhan and New York was significantly higher than that of studies from other regions in China and the United States, respectively. This finding may reflect of the significant challenges faced in the initial stages of the COVID-19 outbreak (100, 101). Reports suggest that prone positioning was infrequent in the initial phase (41), with one Wuhan study reporting only 12% of patients receiving IMV were managed with prone positioning. Variable provider:patient ratios may also have contributed to higher CFR (102–104).


>Several factors may account for the large variance in CFRs between studies. ICUs outside of outbreak epicenters may have had the opportunity of time to obtain equipment and consolidate resources before the pandemic (71). This has enabled ICUs to continue at standard patient:provider ratios (71). Closer monitoring and early intensive care for critically ill patients potentially improved patient prognosis (31). Differences in hospital facilities, patient preferences (for which limitations of care may have been in place), and indications for IMV may have also influenced the CFR (12). Finally, the change in triage process considering comorbidities, age, and frailty status in allocating ICU beds and ventilators during the pandemic may have contributed to a lower CFR among patients receiving IMV, in which younger and less frail patients were prioritized for IMV and ICU care (105–108), whereas older and frailer patients were less likely to receive ventilatory support. These older patients potentially died without IMV support, which is not captured in our findings. If significant numbers of older patients died without receiving IMV support that was indicated and desired, this would suggest our CFR estimates for older patients may be low.


>Despite stratifying studies on the basis of location and NOS score, high heterogeneity continued to exist across our meta-analysis. This has been reported in other meta-analyzes studying COVID-19 mortality (109–113). Heterogeneity was the lowest at 83.4% among definitive outcomes from Wuhan (Figure E6). Although the reasons for this are not clear, we believe that studies originating from the same geographical location may provide a less heterogeneous cohort, and hence, the I2 value was lower. Other potential factors influencing heterogeneity could be differences in illness severity, thresholds for IMV, admission criteria to the ICU, and regional differences in ICU care.


>As demonstrated in a recent editorial, the CFR is substantially higher among older patients, with more than 70% of patients over 60 years of age receiving IMV dying (12). It has also been reported that the CFR for patients in their 80s and 90s receiving IMV with comorbidities has been higher (114). Our findings also suggest that older patients receiving IMV had significantly higher mortality.


>There are several limitations to this systematic review. First, most of the included studies had very small numbers of patients; only 17 of 69 studies reported on more than 100 patients receiving IMV. Given the available evidence, we conducted a meta-analysis to account for this variability in sample size. Second, multiple studies may have covered similar patient cohorts. However, each study’s time period, hospital, and location were considered in the final inclusion of studies to minimize overlap in patient cohorts. Third, 14 studies were not peer reviewed, as they were prepublication articles. However, these studies still provided meaningful data on the CFR of the subgroup of patients with COVID-19 who receive IMV. Fourth, the overall heterogeneity was very high (I2 >90%), which may preclude a valid conclusion from pooled results. Although we performed various sensitivity and metaregression analyses, the heterogeneity could not be minimized. This is most likely due to the case mix and the structure of age within included populations. Finally, we were unable to examine the influence of timing in the pandemic because timing and region were highly correlated.
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 No.390197

>>387858
>people like you are the reason we've been robbed of our lives for close to two years now

You haven't been robbed of shit you fucking retard.
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 No.390218

bump
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 No.390301

>>383073
>Effectively everyone.
So, no one. No one is locked up at home. You can't produce a single example of people being forced to stay in their homes, because it's not happening.
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 No.390727

>>388647
Maybe the H1N1 hype is to blame for that. You can't just lie to everyone to sell vaccines that are not needed, make all the press repeat your lies and expect people to follow you when there is a real pandemy. Your mother told you a story about a boy and a wolf for a reason.

Especially if you start the pandemy by telling them that only racist worry about an ongoig pandemy, then tell them that masks don't work. You can't just lie to people all the time.

Now, do you remember what was the lie when the first vaccines were available? If you belived that vaccine are unsafe, you were a conspiracy theorist. Now half of the vaccines are illegal because they are too dangerous.

Have faith in science, heathen.
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 No.390751

I would love to see how these people would react to bubonic plague or a more viral mutation of ebola.
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 No.390798

>>390751
Maybe they would react differently to different things. If you are young and healthy, covid is less than 0,1% lethal, and you have to catch it.
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 No.390801

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>>390727
>pandemy
>Now half of the vaccines are illegal because they are too dangerous.

>>390798
>If you are young and healthy, covid is less than 0,1% lethal
It might not be lethal for you, but that doesn't mean it won't be lethal to whoever you spread it to.

Non-lethal also doesn't mean "harmless."
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 No.390835

Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson…
Here we can only have the Pfizer.
If you doubt tat they are safe, you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy nut, but now we can't get them because they are seem as too dangerous.

>It might not be lethal for you, but that doesn't mean it won't be lethal to whoever you spread it to.

How about we lockdown the fatties and grannie and the rest of us live a normal life?

>Non-lethal also doesn't mean "harmless."

Do we have to force people to be vaccinated against diarrhea as well?
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 No.390861

>>390835
>If you doubt tat they are safe, you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy nut, but now we can't get them because they are seem as too dangerous.
Governements are trying to compromise with louds conspiracy nuts who can't into statistics and chimp out over it (which is bad for business).
A mistake, but thoses are the limits of liberal democracy

>How about we lockdown the fatties and grannie

Thoses two demographics represents the majority of voters in the first world so it ain't gonna happen
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 No.390866

I took the jansenn vaccine today, makes you a little tired
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 No.390875

The mortality rate is 4-6% in my country, it's hardly a "flu" yet no one gives a damn, and reading through this thread really pisses me off that there are coddled westerners thinking that vaccines are useless
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 No.390916

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>tfw because I would never have had access to actually existing socialist Cuban vaccines like Abdala or Soberana 02 I had to settle for porky vaccines like Pfizer.
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 No.391021

>>390835
>How about we lockdown the fatties and grannie and the rest of us live a normal life?

What you mean is

<why can't these other people be punished so that I can keep consuming
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 No.391024

>>381176
I got the JJ a couple of months back. I'm getting a mRNA one now. Fuck it. Double vaccinated.
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 No.391029

>>390916
Send syringes to Cuba to make up for it, they badly need syringes now.

>tfw Cuba makes 2 vaccines but can't apply them because the embargo keeps blocking syringe imports.
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 No.391047

>>390875
Apparently the deaths in India have already numbered 4+ million based on some guesstimates. There's no official count.
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 No.391107

>>391024
don't fucking do that you will fuck yourself up
there are people that got hospitalized for wrong dosage, don't try what a double dose does to you
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 No.391114

>>391029
I already donated 80€ (~100 syringes) through https://www.cuba-linda.com/dons-seringues-pour-cuba/ and I encourage anyone who has some money to spare to do the same if they have some kind of Cuban solidarity org in their own country.
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 No.394141

>>390301
French workers have just been hit with a vaccine passport banning them from restaurants, cinemas, libraries etc unless they submit to the fascist dictates of Macron. Countries like Australia have insanely harsh quarantine rules and China welded people's doors shut last year when the op first got rolling.

Bet the cretins on here will cheer on the vaccine pass.
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 No.394152

>>394141
i can't wait until the vaccine issue forces people like you onto the right once and for all so we can start fighting in the streets IRL. i'd love to see you at an anti-vaxx protest that morphs into some kind of rightoid front for UKIP or RN.
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 No.394220

>>394141
>and China welded people's doors shut last year
Not gonna say that was based or not but this is what an elite does who are not interested in allowing a mere virus to stir a massive shitstorm in their society.
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 No.394598

>>394220
True. If the capitalists had at least the decency to consider us slaves, like in China, they would have instated an order that a least offer protection against pandemies and other things.

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