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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 18:03:59 No.388029

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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 18:06:53 No.388034

>>387983
Cope and seethe, porky will inject vaccines into your asshole and you WILL enjoy it

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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 18:13:35 No.388046

>>388029
the chad CPC: force a billion people to get vaccinated
the virgin western leftist: [this thread]

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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 18:16:16 No.388051

>>388034
I'll inject an axe to them first.

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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 18:18:45 No.388054

>>388029
btw Xi is a dumbass, he's just lucky that Chinese nurses and doctors and construction workers worked their asses off. literally all he had to do was sit and wait for the US to fuck itself over.

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Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 18:37:55 No.388100

>>388046
>the chad CPC: force a billion people to get vaccinated
Vaccinations were voluntary
>>388054
>Xi is a dumbass, he's just lucky that Chinese nurses and doctors and construction workers worked their asses off.
I don't think that there system worked because they are dumb or lucky

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:27:24 No.388645

This is 100% the media's fault
>Trump speeds up vaccine development because he thinks it will get him elected
>Burger media cannot let the orange man win, start spreading FUD about the vaccines under the perception that Trump will use them to get votes
>Pfizer stalls announcement purely so Trump can't use them to win
>Trump loses, vaccines are announced
>Lib media and tech companies now have their guy in, but now they have to deal with the mess they made to get him in
The Biden admin, tech and media have a massive legitimacy crisis on their hands, but they refuse to recognize this and think they can solve vaccine hesitancy by hyping it up… which only makes the people who are against getting vaccinated MORE afraid of it, because they already hate the people who are telling them to get vaccinated.
Best thing to do would have been to get right wing and religious talking heads on board early on, but they missed that boat and alt-medicine guys bought them off instead.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:30:44 No.388647

Its been politicised out the ass for the most ridiculous reasons. 15 years ago the anti vax people would have been thoroughly mocked as half wits but somehow they've gotten leverage.
Remember, in 20 years time when someone tells you how many people died due to socialism, tell them how many people died due to right wing insistence that vaccines aren't safe.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:35:53 No.388653

>>388029
China locked down good. Vaccinations were optional at that point. And at the rate virus is mutating, pointless.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:38:04 No.388656

>>388647
The democrats are more at fault imo. It was easy to see that the people to their right distrusted them and thought they were planning to hurt them. They should have just let Trump have it, but they instead decided to make it a culture war issue where getting vaccinated was the democrat thing to do. Anglo right wingers in other countries just follow whatever their burger counterparts do so it spread from there.
IDK about the situation in countries outside the Anglosphere. I know anti-vaccination is at its most violent and extreme in France for some reason.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:43:51 No.388669

>>388656
>democrats
As I said, the right

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:47:27 No.388672

>>388669
right, I assumed you were repeating the common sentiment that anti-vaccine stuff was purely the fault of far right grifters like Candice Owens

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:50:08 No.388674

>>387858
>people like you are the reason we've been robbed of our lives for close to two years now
tfw the proletariat FOMO for the horrors of capitalist life.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:57:29 No.388681

"People should die because preventing it inconveniences me" and "it's irrelevant, because mortality rate isn't even that high" are signs of terminal-stage liberalism and should be treated with execution. Mortality rate argument makes sense only in the minds of people who treat other people like cattle.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 00:59:03 No.388684

>>388046
Look at the rate too. April to July. That's like 20 million vaccinations per day. Only around 40% have gotten the double dose which on par with the United States.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:01:15 No.388687

>>388684 (me)
But still, that's ridiculously fast once they started rolling it out. It's a different mentality and system.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:06:32 No.388691

>>388681
Nobody said that people should die. I bet you didn't give a damn about going out two years ago despite people dying of the flu, you hypocrite.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:08:52 No.388695

>>388691
Plenty of people last year said that if it came between grandma dying of COVID and a lockdown preventing me from having restaurants, then it's goodbye grandma.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:12:48 No.388704

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>>388691
>umm, akshually, nobody literally said that people should die
>they just kept brining up (manipulated to appear low) mortality rates for no reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>y-you just a hypocrite!
Cope, shitlib. I self-isolate as a rule, and have been for decades. I laugh at all the little vomit-stains "suffering" in isolation.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:24:16 No.388729

>>388704
Death rates are inflated if anything

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:26:10 No.388733

>>388729
the only thing inflated is your ego to compensate for how retarded you are

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:32:17 No.388746

>>388729
>June 29, 2020
>Florida Scientist Says She Was Fired For Not Manipulating COVID-19 Data
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data
>Rebekah Jones says that was the beginning of a pattern, health department officials requesting changes to information on the site. She complied with those initial requests because she felt it wasn't her place to dictate policy. Then she says she was asked to lower the percentage of positive COVID-19 cases in some counties so that they were under the threshold to reopen. She said, no.
>December 8, 2020
>Florida Agents Raid Home Of Rebekah Jones, Former State Data Scientist
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944200394/florida-agents-raid-home-of-rebekah-jones-former-state-data-scientist

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:54:10 No.388803

>>382247
>i wouldn't take an imperialist vaccine EVER
>i'm relatively young

we already knew anon

also all you faggots in this thread talking about not taking a vaccine because it helps porky are doing the inverse of the whole 'socialists with an iphone' critique by not taking full advantage of anything that will benefit you materially because of your ideology

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 01:57:10 No.388812

>>388803
Cool, still not taking the vaccine tho. Now please explain why do you get so mad at my personal decisions.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 02:19:33 No.388854

>>388812
not mad, just critiquing your reasoning. you do you man

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tetra4anon (thread owner) 2021-07-20 (Tue) 13:27:09 No.389946

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 15:08:28 No.390155

>>388645
The mist unvaccinated demographic is working class people, and working class black people especially. The perception that this is all Trumptards refusing to get the vaccine because they hate the blues is obfuscating how federally mandated time off and compensation for getting the vaccine would solve a large part of this problem, and how porky is going to use the unvaccinated population as a scape goat for opening back up again.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 15:24:47 No.390191

>>387797
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7781141/

>Conclusions: Almost half of patients with COVID-19 receiving IMV died based on the reported CFR [case fatality rate], but variable CFR reporting methods resulted in a wide range of CFRs between studies. The reported CFR was higher in older patients and in early pandemic epicenters, which may be influenced by limited ICU resources. Reporting of definitive outcomes on all patients would facilitate comparisons between studies.

[…]

>This is a large international systematic review and meta-analysis to examine global reports of CFRs for adult patients with COVID-19 receiving IMV. The reported CFR was 45% across all 69 studies, but this included patients still in the hospital. Among all 54 studies, lowest possible to best possible hospital CFR ranged from 43% to 67%. Among patients with a known hospital outcome, the definitive hospital CFR was 56%. We observed no statistical difference between continents. Older patients had a higher CFR, and the CFR was higher in the early COVID-19 epicenters of Wuhan and New York compared with that of other studies from the same country.

>The CFR observed in this review of patients with COVID-19 is similar to that of previous outbreaks of severe respiratory infections. Studies from SARS-CoV in 2003 reported a CFR of 45–48% in patients receiving IMV (93, 94), and more recent studies from the Middle East respiratory syndrome reported a 60–74% CFR in critically ill patients (95, 96). In contrast, the CFR is lower in critically ill patients suffering from H1N1 influenza A, in which the CFR of patients receiving IMV was 24.2–26.5% (97). The reported CFR from severe acute respiratory distress syndrome before COVID-19 was lower at 45% (98, 99) when compared with the definitive CFR from COVID-19.

>The CFR of patients receiving IMV among studies from Wuhan and New York was significantly higher than that of studies from other regions in China and the United States, respectively. This finding may reflect of the significant challenges faced in the initial stages of the COVID-19 outbreak (100, 101). Reports suggest that prone positioning was infrequent in the initial phase (41), with one Wuhan study reporting only 12% of patients receiving IMV were managed with prone positioning. Variable provider:patient ratios may also have contributed to higher CFR (102–104).

>Several factors may account for the large variance in CFRs between studies. ICUs outside of outbreak epicenters may have had the opportunity of time to obtain equipment and consolidate resources before the pandemic (71). This has enabled ICUs to continue at standard patient:provider ratios (71). Closer monitoring and early intensive care for critically ill patients potentially improved patient prognosis (31). Differences in hospital facilities, patient preferences (for which limitations of care may have been in place), and indications for IMV may have also influenced the CFR (12). Finally, the change in triage process considering comorbidities, age, and frailty status in allocating ICU beds and ventilators during the pandemic may have contributed to a lower CFR among patients receiving IMV, in which younger and less frail patients were prioritized for IMV and ICU care (105–108), whereas older and frailer patients were less likely to receive ventilatory support. These older patients potentially died without IMV support, which is not captured in our findings. If significant numbers of older patients died without receiving IMV support that was indicated and desired, this would suggest our CFR estimates for older patients may be low.

>Despite stratifying studies on the basis of location and NOS score, high heterogeneity continued to exist across our meta-analysis. This has been reported in other meta-analyzes studying COVID-19 mortality (109–113). Heterogeneity was the lowest at 83.4% among definitive outcomes from Wuhan (Figure E6). Although the reasons for this are not clear, we believe that studies originating from the same geographical location may provide a less heterogeneous cohort, and hence, the I2 value was lower. Other potential factors influencing heterogeneity could be differences in illness severity, thresholds for IMV, admission criteria to the ICU, and regional differences in ICU care.

>As demonstrated in a recent editorial, the CFR is substantially higher among older patients, with more than 70% of patients over 60 years of age receiving IMV dying (12). It has also been reported that the CFR for patients in their 80s and 90s receiving IMV with comorbidities has been higher (114). Our findings also suggest that older patients receiving IMV had significantly higher mortality.

>There are several limitations to this systematic review. First, most of the included studies had very small numbers of patients; only 17 of 69 studies reported on more than 100 patients receiving IMV. Given the available evidence, we conducted a meta-analysis to account for this variability in sample size. Second, multiple studies may have covered similar patient cohorts. However, each study’s time period, hospital, and location were considered in the final inclusion of studies to minimize overlap in patient cohorts. Third, 14 studies were not peer reviewed, as they were prepublication articles. However, these studies still provided meaningful data on the CFR of the subgroup of patients with COVID-19 who receive IMV. Fourth, the overall heterogeneity was very high (I2 >90%), which may preclude a valid conclusion from pooled results. Although we performed various sensitivity and metaregression analyses, the heterogeneity could not be minimized. This is most likely due to the case mix and the structure of age within included populations. Finally, we were unable to examine the influence of timing in the pandemic because timing and region were highly correlated.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 15:27:10 No.390197

>>387858
>people like you are the reason we've been robbed of our lives for close to two years now

You haven't been robbed of shit you fucking retard.

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tetra4anon (thread owner) 2021-07-20 (Tue) 15:35:20 No.390218

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 16:02:23 No.390301

>>383073
>Effectively everyone.
So, no one. No one is locked up at home. You can't produce a single example of people being forced to stay in their homes, because it's not happening.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 19:33:58 No.390727

>>388647
Maybe the H1N1 hype is to blame for that. You can't just lie to everyone to sell vaccines that are not needed, make all the press repeat your lies and expect people to follow you when there is a real pandemy. Your mother told you a story about a boy and a wolf for a reason.

Especially if you start the pandemy by telling them that only racist worry about an ongoig pandemy, then tell them that masks don't work. You can't just lie to people all the time.

Now, do you remember what was the lie when the first vaccines were available? If you belived that vaccine are unsafe, you were a conspiracy theorist. Now half of the vaccines are illegal because they are too dangerous.

Have faith in science, heathen.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 19:50:01 No.390751

I would love to see how these people would react to bubonic plague or a more viral mutation of ebola.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 20:16:57 No.390798

>>390751
Maybe they would react differently to different things. If you are young and healthy, covid is less than 0,1% lethal, and you have to catch it.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 20:18:37 No.390801

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>>390727
>pandemy
>Now half of the vaccines are illegal because they are too dangerous.

>>390798
>If you are young and healthy, covid is less than 0,1% lethal
It might not be lethal for you, but that doesn't mean it won't be lethal to whoever you spread it to.

Non-lethal also doesn't mean "harmless."

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 20:38:21 No.390835

Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson…
Here we can only have the Pfizer.
If you doubt tat they are safe, you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy nut, but now we can't get them because they are seem as too dangerous.

>It might not be lethal for you, but that doesn't mean it won't be lethal to whoever you spread it to.
How about we lockdown the fatties and grannie and the rest of us live a normal life?

>Non-lethal also doesn't mean "harmless."
Do we have to force people to be vaccinated against diarrhea as well?

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 20:57:09 No.390861

>>390835
>If you doubt tat they are safe, you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy nut, but now we can't get them because they are seem as too dangerous.
Governements are trying to compromise with louds conspiracy nuts who can't into statistics and chimp out over it (which is bad for business).
A mistake, but thoses are the limits of liberal democracy

>How about we lockdown the fatties and grannie
Thoses two demographics represents the majority of voters in the first world so it ain't gonna happen

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 20:58:50 No.390866

I took the jansenn vaccine today, makes you a little tired

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 21:05:01 No.390875

The mortality rate is 4-6% in my country, it's hardly a "flu" yet no one gives a damn, and reading through this thread really pisses me off that there are coddled westerners thinking that vaccines are useless

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 21:37:09 No.390916

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>tfw because I would never have had access to actually existing socialist Cuban vaccines like Abdala or Soberana 02 I had to settle for porky vaccines like Pfizer.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 23:29:49 No.391021

>>390835
>How about we lockdown the fatties and grannie and the rest of us live a normal life?

What you mean is

<why can't these other people be punished so that I can keep consuming

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 23:32:21 No.391024

>>381176
I got the JJ a couple of months back. I'm getting a mRNA one now. Fuck it. Double vaccinated.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 23:34:45 No.391029

>>390916
Send syringes to Cuba to make up for it, they badly need syringes now.

>tfw Cuba makes 2 vaccines but can't apply them because the embargo keeps blocking syringe imports.

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Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 23:56:49 No.391047

>>390875
Apparently the deaths in India have already numbered 4+ million based on some guesstimates. There's no official count.

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Anonymous 2021-07-21 (Wed) 00:45:57 No.391107

>>391024
don't fucking do that you will fuck yourself up
there are people that got hospitalized for wrong dosage, don't try what a double dose does to you

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Anonymous 2021-07-21 (Wed) 00:50:57 No.391114

>>391029
I already donated 80€ (~100 syringes) through https://www.cuba-linda.com/dons-seringues-pour-cuba/ and I encourage anyone who has some money to spare to do the same if they have some kind of Cuban solidarity org in their own country.

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Anonymous 2021-07-22 (Thu) 16:28:58 No.394141

>>390301
French workers have just been hit with a vaccine passport banning them from restaurants, cinemas, libraries etc unless they submit to the fascist dictates of Macron. Countries like Australia have insanely harsh quarantine rules and China welded people's doors shut last year when the op first got rolling.

Bet the cretins on here will cheer on the vaccine pass.

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Anonymous 2021-07-22 (Thu) 16:35:55 No.394152

>>394141
i can't wait until the vaccine issue forces people like you onto the right once and for all so we can start fighting in the streets IRL. i'd love to see you at an anti-vaxx protest that morphs into some kind of rightoid front for UKIP or RN.

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Anonymous 2021-07-22 (Thu) 17:17:46 No.394220

>>394141
>and China welded people's doors shut last year
Not gonna say that was based or not but this is what an elite does who are not interested in allowing a mere virus to stir a massive shitstorm in their society.

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Anonymous 2021-07-22 (Thu) 20:30:37 No.394598

>>394220
True. If the capitalists had at least the decency to consider us slaves, like in China, they would have instated an order that a least offer protection against pandemies and other things.