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 No.374677[Last 50 Posts]

Why the hell are birthrates on the decline fucking everywhere? Even in africa the major causation of high birthrates is low access to contraceptives and abortion and even then their birthrates are on the general decline every year… it's not even like humanity hasn't had worse periods to have kids than now but seemingly enough no ones fucking and I'm worried about becoming a single father with 1 adopted son because of this retarded shit…
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 No.374689

Because neomalthusianism is working luckily. There are too many people we need to depopulate. if you do a material analysis, you will see that the mass explosion in illegal immigration to europe and america and the first world has put massive strain on the welfare systems leading to massive shortages in skilled White labor, as the labor force was replaced with low IQ gibsmedats, therefore the production was outsourced to india and china and everyone in the first world has their welfare cut, which harms incentives to reproduce.
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 No.374691

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>>374689
You think illegal migrants get social securities?
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 No.374692

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>>374689
>material analysis
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 No.374694

>>374691
yes why else do you think there are so many checks and identity security measures when applying for welfare?
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 No.374695

>>374689
Cringe
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 No.374698

>>374689
lol the poluyghur couldn't keep it together until the end.
Anyways real answer is wider access to birth control + increased exploration and alienation from this advanced state of capital. Also you can tell this retard doesn't know jack about shit because there's absolutely not enough gibs flying around, and especially not enough to raise a family.
>>374694
Those weren't always in place, in fact """anti-fraud""" shit always ends up costing more money than if they just gave out food stamps without the bullshit in the first place. The safety net of the west died because it was sacrificed in the name of falling profits after the crisis of capital in the 70's, not because you read camp of the saints once and thought it was really deep.
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 No.374699

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>>374694
They actually dont dude because they're not citizens and likewise arent eligible for applying for gibs otherwise they'll get deported especially in the united states where ICE police are looking out for them. For ordinary migrants they're actually less likely to recieve social securities than the native population because again they're not citizens and likewise don't have the proper documentations to be eligible for anything
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 No.374703

>>374698
*exploitation goddamnit
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 No.374705

>>374698
Yeah lmao
>Seemingly enough no ones fucking and I'm worried about becoming a single father with 1 adopted son because of this retarded shit…
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 No.374707

>>374677
>Why the hell are birthrates on the decline fucking everywhere
It's because of urbanization. In the West birth rates have have already been low for a while, now the global South is industrializing/urbanizing so the global fertility rate is tanking.
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 No.374711

>>374699
typical uyghet-loving kike denying facts(Moronic /pol/ post)
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 No.374712


uyghur
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 No.374716

>>374689
>When you're a retarded low IQ pol/ack who failed high school and is now trying to understand basic marxist concepts enough to roleplay as a marxist to shill your dumb as fuck views on a left board
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 No.374720

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>>374711
I see you're experiencing severe cognitive dissonance from being on /pol/ for too long oh well, it would probably also surprise you that most welfare abusers are actually white Republicans in the united states as well…
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 No.374757

The real reason as to why infertility is skyrocketing is women in education and in the labour force tend to sleep around more and divorce more often. The reason as to why they do this is unknown to me
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 No.374822

>>374677
Calm down, /pol/. Humans always opted to have fewer kids when they were sure that they were going to survive, so they didn't make backups. It's normal.
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 No.374888

>>374677
because the social demand for labor has fallen. read Smith
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 No.374916

Education and expansion of female agency results in reduced pregnancy rates because you can no longer keep a lower class of servile breeding sows.
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 No.374920

>>374757
Same reason men do: sex is fun
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 No.374928

Microplastics and forever chemicals
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 No.374960

>>374677
Capitalism. Duh. Push for neoliberal policies drove the cost of labor down and down, often lower than the cost of social reporoduction (mening the cost of you raising a baby). Having a baby is a tough decision from economic perspective even for a relatively well off proles. So of course you have declining birthrates. It was already an established fact for several decades in "developed" countries, masked only by the effects of mass immigration.
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 No.374974

>>374689
>le malthusian meme
how about you fuck off back to pol
>low IQ gibsmedats
I think you're talking about yourself here buddy
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 No.375151

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>>374974
For the malthusian part he isnt completely wrong. The earth is huge and rests on trillions upon trillions worth of unused land and resources, we could feed far more people today even without having to go through the process of increased industrialization and urbanization being that the planet produces so much food already that humanity could stop farming and feed every individual on the planet until 2050
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 No.375157

>>374689
>the labor force was replaced with low IQ gibsmedats, therefore the production was outsourced to india and china

I cannot overstate how much of a massive leap in logic that is.
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 No.375159

>>374677
>and I'm worried about becoming a single father with 1 adopted son because of this retarded shit…

You realize you are free to have as many kids as you want, right?
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 No.375164

No money to raise children. Imperial nations are highly atomized. Doomerism is decently mainstream.
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 No.375165

Industrialization follows lower birth rates. This is because the better the living conditions the less need for children. In times of prosperity we see boosts in amount of children born such as the baby boom of the 50s. Or like the 90s and early 2000s. Generally highly industrialized nations have less children being born, especially nations with extensive public services where only one parent could raise a child by their single income alone.
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 No.375169

because children suck
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 No.375181

>>374689
>>375178
Are we being raided? What the fuck is this shit?
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 No.375193

>>375151
>we could feed far more people today
I don't care how many people could be alive. We could also fill the solar system with paper clips. I want a higher standard of living at the exclusion of everything else.
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 No.375197

>>375178
>muh IQ
I bet you use richard Lynn as a fucking reference for your ideas. You'd be surprised to find that being successful(or what amerisharts call acting white) requires less thinking than you'd expect hell ted Kaczynski wrote a book on it
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 No.375203

>>375181
Yes
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 No.375208

>>375186
this poster will be banned
>>375207
this one won't
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 No.375210

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>>375193
Alright but I still align with my belief that all lives matter and that humanity should work towards
>unification
>technological advancement
>and a higher population
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 No.375213

>>375208
t. butthurt anglo
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 No.375214

>>375210
>all lives matter
Everyone currently alive matters. Not everyone who could potentially live matters.
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 No.375221

>>375213
t. butthurt uyghur
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 No.375223

people would rather spend their money on self indulgencies then children
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 No.375225

>>375214
But if the human species doesnt reproduce enough to sustain its future what will happen when you have situations like in japan america and china where the death toll overtakes the birthrate and people start dying? :(
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 No.375227

>people start dying?
What do you mean "start"? People are always dying. You think the birth line going down would kill people somehow?
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 No.375230

>>375227
>>375225
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 No.375231

>>375225
The system will self correct, when there's more resources for everyone the population will grow again
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 No.375233

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As with any recent development starting over the last 40 years. The answer is literally always tech.
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 No.375236

>>375233
Technology is worthless without the political and social will to put it into effect, for example we already have the tech to end climate change
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 No.375237

>>374689

You think outsourcing and deindustrialisation was because of illegal immigration? Are you fucking retarded?
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 No.375238

>>375236
>we already have the tech to end climate change

We literally don't the only tech to revese climate change without mass death. The only "tech" we have to reverse climate change, is a return to pre-agricultural living.
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 No.375241

>>375225
The black plague happened and humanity bounced back. WW1 happened humanity bounced back, WW2 happened humanity bounced back with a vengeance.

Why are you concern trolling you liberal faggot? Someone should shoot you in the fucking brain and splatter your brains on the pavement for being retarded. I fucking hate liberals like this, kill them all.
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 No.375243

>>375238
We have renewable energy, nuclear power, and geo-engineering to slow, stop, or reverse the effects of climate change (ie. releasing particles into the atmosphere to partly block the sun and so on)
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 No.375248

>>375243
>renewable energy

No where near at the effeciancy to replace current eletricity use

>nuclear power,
Limited by uranium supply

>geo-engineering
Gobboldy gook magic fix bullshit. The GRE and GGR are all theoretical.
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 No.375251

>>375248
There's enough fissile materials to keep mankind going for literally 1000s of years.

Also geoengineering would require lots of further research to get to work but the concept is sound, if we lived in an actual good system we could put all our efforts into it.
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 No.375252

Based, now the Illuminati has a better shot at bringing about the New Age utopia.
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 No.375258

>>375248
>No where near at the effeciancy to replace current eletricity use
"Efficiency" doesn't mean anything. If we did some sort of war communism to redirect literally 100% of the excess output of the economy to renewables it could certainly be done. And it likely wouldn't take that much. Regardless, the only thing that's impossible is doing it with literally 0 drop in standard of living.
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 No.375263

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>>375252
t.
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 No.375264

>>375248
>nuclear power,
>Limited by uranium supply
Nuclear power is fusion and fission, there is enough fusion fuel for billions of years, and there are enough fissionable materials for tens of thousands of years, assuming that future societies will produce a lot more energy than we do today.
>geo-engineering
>Gobboldy
climate change is the result of involuntary undirected geo-engineering, We are already doing it on a planetary scale. We could choose to direct it towards other ends
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 No.375266

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>>374689

>East Asian nations have huge workforces with newly industrialising or industrialised economies and less strongly unionised labour in traditional sectors
>also many have progressively liberalising economies as they are opened up to the dominant neoliberal consensus
>labour and environmental regulation tends to be lax too
>major American industrial and manufacturing giants see this is a golden opportunity after declining profits post 1970s
>China joins WTO in 2001
>barriers to trade greatly reduced
>post-Deng China literally has foremost policy of devaluing its currency for cheaper exports
>traditional industrial and manufacturing begin process of offshoring
>primarily to cut costs and maximise corporate profits
>concomitant deindustrialisation in major cities, especially in regions like the areas of the Midwest and Northeast that would eventually become the Rust Belt
>US economy, particularly in large cities and traditional industrial hubs, becomes more and more service and finance oriented
>corporate bosses and their politician pals reap the profits, continue to deregulate the finance sector as they synthesise new and more sadistic financial technologies with which to hollow out New Deal artefacts and holdovers
>old union structure collapses with this, eventually superseded by yellow unions
>American blue collar working class communities broken up by the loss of Fordist production
>blame immigrants
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 No.375279

>>375241
An aging crisis isnt the same thing as famine war or plague, if a population ages to far it becomes sterile and unable to reproduce kids and likewise it cannot bounce back anon
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 No.375327

>>375279
Nice theory you dumb faggot. It hasn't happened and the population is at 7 billion and shows no sign at slowing down you stupid pathetic faggot. The population is growing to such a degree that you got malthusians saying we need to curb population growth. Your concern trolling is nothing but liberal bullshit.
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 No.375330

>>375327
No no it is happening, china is projected to lose fucking half of its population by 2050 and japan has resorted to importing migrants from all over the planet to sustain its population, not grow it because the native japanese population is dying very very quickly
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 No.375348

It's the cartoons, they distract the kids and make them not have sex and get sissified to boot.
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 No.375350

>>375330
Why do we need to have a constantly increasing population? Especialy Japan, an overpopulated country?
Only capitalists want a constant grow.
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 No.375352

>>375210
>and a higher population
Fucking why? Why is it every population thread is filled with breeder-bugs? What compels you to think the earth should have 30 billion people just because we could theoretically support them?
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 No.375359

>>375352
I think he meant terraforming the solar system into a ring world powered by 3 dysons in the Alpha Centauri system.

If we are to keep that planet, a nuclear war would be welcome.
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 No.375361

>>375330
Aging population is bad only because there aren't enough young people to do the dirty jobs, and too many old people to take care of on their pensions. Why the fuck do you think the pension age is going up? This is an effort by the ruling class to extend the working population. This is literally the shit that the fucking ruling class has resorted to because of fucking better living conditions while also the conditions of capitalism atomize society. You are an absolute retard. It's amazing how little you know of capitalism and it's social implications, things that fucking liberals expounded on, liberals like Adam Smith and David Ricardo and countless other liberals, no socialists needed. The fact that your tiny brain has come to this proves your lack of intelligence.
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 No.375366

>>375352
>Why the fuck do you think the pension age is going up?
Life expectancy. Also, our "ageing population" crisis mean we only have to increase the money we spend on old timers by 2 or 3% of the GDP for a decade or two. No biggie.

What would be bad would be to destabilize entire societies just because boomers want more money.
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 No.375621

>>375352
Because people are power, and I am very power-hungry.

>military a billion strong
>a billion scientists in a million of labs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJKx1XDBqNo
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 No.376086

>>375361
>pension age is going up
so you admit that aging populations are bad
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 No.376101

>>374677
>… it's not even like humanity hasn't had worse periods to have kids than now
in general, birthrates are inversely correlated with prosperity. it is the very fact that most of the world is seeing a moderate increase in prosperity which is causing birthrates to fall.
the exception is the west, but the west is a special case. in the developing world one major incentive to have children is because nobody else will care for you in your old age. now, in the west there is generally a state pension and welfare state to fall back on.
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 No.376102

>>375352
because why not?
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 No.376130

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You guys do know that population of any species eventually equilibrate with the environment after a while right?
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 No.376142

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>>375233
the development didn't begin in the last 40 years though: the biggest plunge in birthrates took place in the period 1890-1940.
my submission for the cause of the rebound postwar: 1. the return of men from the war, 2. a culture increasingly at ease with promiscuity but not yet at ease with contraception, 3. a genuine labour shortage. 4. policies designed to construct a new model of family life, as part of the general restructuring of economic life following the war.
the tempting argument for natalists is no doubt to blame thatcher and declining economic prosperity, but postwar birth rates peaked long before Thatcher took office - they were lower than they are at present when she was elected, so it can't have been her. it can't even have been Heath, as they'd already dipped when he took office.

the trend in the US is quite similar to that for the UK, though with a shallower decline pre-WW2. (slower industrialisation? greater rural population?)
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 No.376149

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while we're at it
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 No.377213

>>376149
Based
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 No.377218

>>374677
Kids are expensive and people are poorer and capitalism has fooled women into thinking they should be a feminist girlboss so that they can have more workers slaving away which means less time and energy to raise them.
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 No.377238

>>375214
No. Only workers matter.
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 No.377252

>if you do a material analysis, you will see that the mass explosion in illegal immigration to europe and america and the first world
Most immigration occuring isn't illegal.
>has put massive strain on the welfare systems leading to massive shortages in skilled White labor,
This is a nonsensical statement. How would strain on the welfare system lead to massive shortages in skilled white labour?
>as the labor force was replaced with low IQ gibsmedats,
You literally just said they were on welfare, and thus largely not even a part of the labour force to begin with. But now they're part of the labour force, and yet are still on welfare to a greater degree then the established population? How is it even "gibsmedats" if they are actually working?
>therefore the production was outsourced to india and china and everyone in the first world has their welfare cut, which harms incentives to reproduce.
Production was being outsourced decades before modern illegal immigration was a major issue. Welfare was being cut in the west also before this, particularly in regards to austerity right after the USSR fell.
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 No.377253

>>377252
Meant for >>374689
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 No.377255

>>374720
blatant cherry picked data and….32 people in a nation of 300 million?
You would have had a decent point but you're just retarded
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 No.377272

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>>374677
What's going to happen when the US becomes majority Amish and Mormon?
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 No.377276

>>377272
LDS and mormons will replace atheism
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 No.377349

>>377272
Looking forward for 2125 when the Mormon Republic of Utah declares independence.
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 No.377370

>>374677
Because we live in a capitalist world. Marx describes it with shear precision: "Capitalism produces its own over-population because the workforce demand grows slowlier than the new number of workers, due to unequal distribution that averages between the salaried work and the capital. Malthus advises that the proletariat in order to solve their miserable living conditions is necessary to limit the procreation".
This is taught subjectively or objectively intergenerational.
However, "Malthus' conclusions are tailored to the services of the interests of the ruling classes in general and their reactionary elements of such classes, in other words, these interests falsify the science, and they take no count when the matter is the oppressed classes".

Lenin said it once: "Except the power, everything is an illusion".

In resume, Malthus is analyzing only a capitalist structure, and his analysis is anti-Marxist.
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 No.377373

>>377272
This is because Amish and Mormon bases aren't capitalists in their essential core.
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 No.377376

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>>374711
Based mods punch-rapping the retards.
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 No.377397

>>374689
Obvious bait is obvious. Have a (you) for tge effort

>>374677
Its because births for the longest time were inflated by the dominance of the domestic economy and subsistance farming. In such conditions, child was literally a labourer that you could keep for free on only subsistance level upkeep. As Capitalist and Socialist institutions killed the traditional domestic economy, this ceased to be the case and children no longer provide an economic benefit to parents. All that is left are ideological pro-natal beliefs or personal love for your partner, or desire to leave behind offspring. Ergo all modernized countries that didn't pursue natalist policies like Eastern Block did face a collapse in births.
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 No.377412

>>374689
lmao you cant just say "if you do a material analysis", then go on to say /pol/ tier idealist economic fanfiction and expect us to think youre intelligent.
malthusianism has been discredited for literal decades, although i must say its pretty impressive for a /pol/tard to know such big sounding words.

to answer OPs question, its partially contraceptives and the fact that you no longer need children to take care of you when youre old and frail. the most important factor however is that its expensive as fuck to raise a child and many people simply cant afford it, or would have to work their ass off alongside raising their child, which understandably not many people want. its lame to blame capitalism for everything but…
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 No.377753

>>374720
Hehehe got him!!!! I watch TYT too how do you know????
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 No.377755

>>376149
We need to reduce our GDP to ensure we male more children
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 No.377758

>>377272
We'll get the Socialist Republic of Utah and the People's Republic of Mormonistan
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 No.379883

>>377412
>you no longer need children to take care of you when youre old and frail
you need them to take care of you on an emotional level
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 No.379908

>>374677
They just don't have enough security to take that risk. Add to that industrialization, modernization and its consequences
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 No.381656

Women and men of today have been fagified
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 No.387254

I fucking hate people, there is literally no reason to make more of them.
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 No.388059

>>374677
Urbanization. In a farmhouse, children are useful and cheap to maintain, in a city flat, they're a constant, long-term resource sink.
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 No.388090

Very quickly, the sole path forward will be to invest in MPreg research to continue the propagation of the species, all is as the keikaku states.
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 No.388093

Very quickly, the sole path forward will be to invest in MPreg research to continue the propagation of the species, all is as the keikaku states.
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 No.389793

>>375352
Glow harder. There's stretches of what could be sustainably productive land that'll just dry up and blow away because there aren't enough people there to actively steward in a complex ecosystem based around domestication of food both plant and animal. There's been a mass migration to cities for even centuries now depending on where you're based and some of you now think there's no alternative to urban living and small or overcrowded spaces.
>>375165
This is closer to the truth, I believe.
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 No.389794

>>375210
>all lives matter
Mods ban this racist bigot.
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 No.389803

>>375210
Okay patriot
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 No.389832

>>374689
cope
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 No.389914

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>>374677
plastics in the ocean and general environment leading to low testosterone/estrogen in men and women worldwide in addition to more genital defects/intersex people and other ill effects on reproductive health.

we're only 1-2 generations from "children of men" becoming reality
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 No.412803

>>377272

Enter 2050:

*boooooop*

I walk past the sliding door of LDS MegaChurch number 5. it was built in what the infidels called "Mandalay Bay". In a city that was once known as Las Vegas. I walk past the smiling faces of mormon families, each properly dressed and wearing their holy undergarments. I go to the third floor to attend my meeting with General Mitt Romney IV. I was a scout on the borderlands patrolling the border between the Republic of Deseret and the Amish Confderation near what used to be St. Louis. I walk inside the doors, shaped like a beehive. I salute General Romney IV and sit down. He is eating a bowl of jello.

"Ad-ease sergeant, i hear you came from the borderlands bearing news of the Amish's potential offensive attack."

"Yes, my liege" I take some jello out o my pocket and sip it before continuing. "my liege, they have started a breeding program among their women, demanding 20 births per child. Within 20 years, they shall outnumber our population and within 40 years they will be the majority in Utah."

Romney stands up in disbelief.
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 No.412807

>>412803

"Dag Goom" Romney IV says as he throws a punch against the wall. "our, superior overlord mitt romney, didn't die for this! He believed in this republic. His campaign was to unite the world under mormonism. he would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how we much we failed in his master plan for a Mormon world. A mormon *cries a single tear* dictatorship. Romney IV looks sadenned and then takes the last bite from his Jello Bowl.

"prepare the army. I want to make sure not a single damn amish man gets out alive. Swear to me your allegiance Barack Obama IV!"

"I Swear!" i say.

I walk out, ready for war.
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 No.412828

>>375165
m8 when you actually welloff you can have as many kids as you want

burgies had 10 kids back then
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 No.412861

>>374677
>Why the hell are birthrates on the decline fucking everywhere?

Because your mom started using contraception.
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 No.412952

Here in India fertility rates are very low(south India) where women have more freedom and education, in sharp contrast to states(BIMARU) with high fertility rates where women are basically treated as baby ovens relegated to kitchen and bedroom.
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 No.412968

Because most proles dont wanna have kids. That's the simplest answer you'd think it would be economics or poor social securities or the woes of modern life but rather the problem is simply that most proles these days just don't want em. Even in developed societies like Sweden where social securities are available the population still isnt fucking
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 No.412980

>>412968
People are fucking a lot. They just don't care about having kids.
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 No.412988

>>412968
But we also have to ask why people don't want kids. I would say because of a pervasive sense of hopelessness and lack of direction in the world. Why have kids when the future is only going to worse for them?
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 No.412999

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>>412988
It's just hyper media consoomerism of 21st century keeping people so preoccupied in their free time they don't see any value in getting a romantic partner, let alone making babies.

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