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 No.358748[Last 50 Posts]

Show support to our borger king bro trashing breadtube stupidity.

You guys are going to read the book anyway for free online

https://www.amazon.com/BreadTube-Serves-Imperialism-Examining-Psuedo-Socialism/dp/B09798771Q
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 No.358751

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Here is the book btw
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 No.358754

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 No.358757

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 No.358759

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No, fuck caleb because his hair is ugly and his cock is small.
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 No.358760

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>>358759
Caleb is a sigma male
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 No.358761

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 No.358763

>>358748
How can I change my Amazon username so no one knows it's me leaving the review?
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 No.358767

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>>358760
Nah his hair line is kneeling on the other hair line
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 No.358772

>>358759
>small cock
How do you that his is small?
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 No.358778

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 No.358779

LIVE NOW. GET IN HERE.
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 No.358786

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 No.358800

>>358748
>Leave Caleb maupin a 1 star review if you have amazon
FTFY
>You guys are going to read the book anyway for free online
I will not read a single sentence out of the book.
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 No.358802

>>358800
T. Vaush fan
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 No.358822

>>358779
>>358786
NEW STREAM.
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 No.358876

Fuck this dude
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 No.358878

>>358748
this guy is practically a third positionist, fuck his shit
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 No.358879

did he really write a whole book about breadtube?
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 No.358890

>>358878
>this guy is practically a third positionist
Care to demonstrate?
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 No.358892

>>358878
Stfu redditor. Caleb is a socialist
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 No.358894

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 No.358896

>>358760
more like smegma mail amirite fellas
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 No.358907

>>358890
>>358892
See his recent comments on abortion and birthrates, his questionable past association with Dugin et al, his obsession with aesthetics ('leftists don't want to associate with slime, and filth, and things like that', and his obsession with suits and respectability), and the fact that he works for the far-right Russian state.
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 No.358909

>>358907
>Far right Russian state
Lmao like i said go back to reddit

Dugin is cool. Nothing you said has substance you are literally criticizing the guy for wearing a suit lmao

What policies of his do you disagree with?
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 No.358916

>>358907
Are the Russians in the room with us hillary?
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 No.358921

>>358907
He's not against abortion being legal, he only thinks abortion should be harder to get and strongly discouraged. How is that right-wing?
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 No.358924

>#1 new release in Anarchism
kek
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 No.358930

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>>358907
>birthrates
My impression is that he believes birthrates under socialism will naturally go up as comrades will have a new burst of revolutionary optimism and will seek to share the fruits of the new system by having many children. Nothing malicious or "third positionist" about that.
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 No.358931

>>358924
Got to make sure the breadtuber fans find it
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 No.358938

>>358748
You need to have spent like $50 (iirc) within the last six months or something to leave reviews now.
>>358763
I literally set my Amazon display name to "lol" or something, they don't care.
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 No.358939

Calebs cool.
Dugin is based and only literal children that cant read opposing viewpoints without breaking down into tears complain sbout Dugin
>far right Russian state
The Comminist Party is not banned in Russia. Its banned in Poland/Baltics and communists cant hold office in California
Whats more this "far right" Russian state has never committed anti communist massacres like what Usa did in Brazil, Chile and Indonesia.
Indonesia the communist party were genocided with 1 million dead while Usa handed lists of communists to their executioners
Thry did the same in Iraq and all over tbe globe

Whenever lefts want to state Russia is fsr right they do so out of a national chauvinism which allows their "views" to align directly with their states foreign policy

In reality the USA is far right and if theres a successful communist revolution any where the US will be helping the far right to massacre communists whereas Russia wouldnt give a shit
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 No.358946

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 No.358950

>>358748
so wait, breadtube is really just contra, hbomb, some transhumanist and destiny? are any of these people even socialists? contra stuck me as some kind of culture-war liberal on the socdem level at most. hbomb i know as the guy who made fun of the soy thing, basically seemed like another liberal. and then destiny i know is just flat out pro-capitalist and anti-socialist. is this really what they call breadtube?
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 No.358952

>>358950 (me)
oh and voosh. ffs. neoliberal culture warrior that wanks as radical.
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 No.358961

>>358952
>>358950
Pretty much
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 No.358976

>>358748
>Imagine getting so salty about people calling you retarded you wrote a fucking book about it
Max autism. The chapter on thought slime just sounds like someone in a closet about wanting to fuck another man, just so sad and gay.
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 No.358979

>>358976
Maupin is an institutionalist and seeking to reconcile socialism and American institutions. The academic liberal elite love reading books with lots of rhetoric but little actual content. So that's what he makes.
This isn't really an attack on Maupin or a defense, just kind of an objective observation. It's linked to why he thinks he needs to wear a suit
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 No.358982

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 No.358992

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 No.359002

No. Log the fuck off and return to your teminally-online containment thread. Go fight your own pointless conflicts. You are doing nothing except fooling yourself into thinking that "you are doing your part".
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 No.359010

>>359002
T. Vaush fan seething
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 No.359021

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leave my book 5 stars please
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 No.359025

>>358950
PhilosophyTube was one of the first Breadtubers.

I actually remember a few years ago (2018 I think) when the biggest names of "Breadtube" were Xexizy (Muke), Bad Mouse, and Mexie.
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 No.359026

>>358982
Why would socialists want to see birthrates go down among the working class? We should be encouraging proles to procreate. Socialism should fester a culture of life, not death.
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 No.359029

>>359026
why would socialists want working class women parenting children that they never wanted? if you're so big on procreation, go out and do it rather than trying to make decisions on other people's behalf.
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 No.359030

>>359021
kek, I want some tasty salted bread now.
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 No.359034

>>359029
Ask yourself why they wouldn't want those children. It's not just financial but because our society in late capitalism sees children (and humans in general) as disposable objects.
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 No.359039

>>359010
Vaush and Maupin are both the same kind of hyper-online retards. The fact that Maupin is correct on Breadtube and, despite some of his personal ideological flaws (Russia / China question), he is an alright leftist, doesn't mean anything. Because at the end of the day he is just a retard stuck in the bullshit online culturewar, which serves zero real material purpose, builds no movement and at the end of the day is just a busy box that lets everyone from left to right pretend that they are doing something real. A leftist, without having a party, organization or other sort of proper movement behind him, has no place in online arguments.
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 No.359041

>>359039
https://m.facebook.com/pg/cpi.usa/posts/

Caleb has a group irl unlike vaush and he works to get people to join it.

CPI
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 No.359042

>>359039
The difference is, Maupin DOES have a history of activism. He used to be in the WWP and was loosely affiliated with Bob Avakian Cult at some point. Plus he's been doing on-the-ground journalism for years.

Vaush on the other hand has never been a real activist, just a talking head.
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 No.359044

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No. That part about them holding fascist views lost me completely.

>>358930
>naturally
No he doesn't, he insist that it must go up.

>>358950
Breadtubers were never a card carrying group anyway.
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 No.359046

>>359021
lawl, I read the mmm bread part with Homer's voice.
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 No.359047

>>359044
>he insist that it must go up.
I agree, and I see no problem with this. We want more hands to increase the productive forces and enjoy the huge fruits of labour that will be produced.
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 No.359048

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>>359047
That is a fucking retarded viewpoint to hold then because you don't need more hands increase the productive forces. Technology and careful planning can already do that. Hell in some places, it is already well developed enough to reach lower stage communism.
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 No.359050

>>358909
>>358939
>>358946
>>358992
>Dugin is cool
>Dugin is based and only literal children that cant read opposing viewpoints without breaking down into tears complain sbout Dugin
Stop being pseudo intellectual contrarian and have some actual principles as a communist you fag. I'm not any fan of breadtube, but Dugin is a fucking autistic reactionary who's books read like 40k fanfiction written by someone just out of high school. Stop basing your opinions and views on whether it bothers someone you happen to dislike, stop praising individuals because of some presumed association they have with someone, stop having your entire odelogy predicated on memes. Get serious, read some actual theory, and disconnect yourself from retarded e-celeb discourse. That or go spend your days as some reddit political wojak larper, I don't care which.
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 No.359051

>>359041
>>359042
Well ok, Maupin is better. However what I am more getting at is that specifically shit like this book is absolutely idiotic. Because it is wasted effort on what is basically a one big shitpost about a group, that while is popular, doesn't actually matter, and thus the book it self doesn't matter either. Now, I knew about CPI, but I thought it was still in something of an embryo state. If it now really functions like a proper socialist org, then very good, but Maupin still is a bit dumb for deciding to make this book with his free time, instead say trying to help out CPI more.
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 No.359056

>>359047
This "productive forces" argument is peak Capitalism logic. You don't need massive productive forces for people to be happy and live enriched lives. What, you say we all need to have cars, play vidya and watch endless stream of content online? Of course, those things are nice, but not at all needed for a good life. Personally, I'd rather enjoy freedom of reproduction and (only maybe) less productive forces. Natalism only matters when you are bellow replacement line. Anything beyond that is not necessary, and on a long enough scale unsustainable.
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 No.359061

>>359025
i remember them. some others i recall are batko and finnishbolshevik or something, but they all seem to have disappeared to be replaced by a lamer crop.
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 No.359065

>>359061
Old Breadtube was much more entertaining TBH.
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 No.359068

>>359061
Don't forget Libertarian Socialist Rants.
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 No.359072

>>359056
What if I told you socialists always have to be concerned about the productive forces?
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 No.359084

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 No.359086

>>359061
>>359065
>>359068
Half of old Breadtube was Chomskyite anarchists and the other half was tankies. It was Muke, Anarchopac, LSR, FinnBol, Batko, Mexie, Bad Mouse, HBomberGuy, An Actual Joke, and a few others.

I had no clue who Vaush was up until six months ago.
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 No.359112

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>>359086
>I had no clue who Vaush was up until six months ago.
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 No.359115

Why is this eceleb shit leaving its containment board. Stop shitting up the place you simping faggot
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 No.359127

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>>359050
> Get serious, read some actual theory
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 No.359128

>>359025
>>359061
>>359086
I'm wondering what in the FUCK happened. On old "breadtube" there were some radlib-esque users but they at least were frequently and seriously anti-capitalist. What the FUCK happened, exactly?? How did they get replaced with these fucking liberal-to-the-bone culture war retards? WTF??? It's like it happened in the span of a few months and I missed it or something. I really, really don't get it. I feel gaslit or something, it's like we were blitzkrieg infiltrated
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 No.359134

>>358748
No, you brainwormed shill.
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 No.359149

>>359128
I’m guessing one of a few things:

- Their steam ran out and/or they became preoccupied with other things (Muke is a university student for example)

- The algorithm fucked them

- Some of them got into beefs with other users to the point where doxxing happened

- Several of them ended up changing their views
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 No.359154

But why he’s retarded
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 No.359157

>>358779
Jesus what a nerd
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 No.359166

>tfw you’re an old woman and you remember 2008 when a group of nerdy Chomskyite anarchists were the biggest leftists on YouTube

You youngins will never know.
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 No.359175

>>359166
They still are. These new creators aren't leftist
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 No.359179

>>359175
Caleb Maupin is not a leftist
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 No.359181

>>359179
Caleb maupin is the definition of a leftist in every way.

Proud socialist
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 No.359187

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 No.359191

>>359187
playstation one game reviewer ass face
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 No.359195

>>359166
I assume you’re talking about Buddhagem and mr1001nights?

T. Aging millennial
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 No.359198

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>>359179
You are right, Caleb Maupin is not a "leftist". He's a communist. He's putty himself on the line sharing his brand new vision for socialism in America. You see unlike many leftists and radicals, Maupin does not reject patriotism or religion. Maupin considers his politics to be a continuation of radicalism and revolutionary spirit that is found in the heritage of the United States. While Maupin holds a materialist understanding of world history, he embraces the teachings of Jesus as a guide for building a just and moral society and often quotes Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez who said “Jesus Christ was the greatest Communist in all of history. As a radical from the millennial generation, Maupin has been particularly inspiring to younger Americans. He often makes reference to de-industrialization and the decline of the American middle class, as well as erosion of civil liberties, a creeping process which he refers to as the “low wage police state” and links to changes in the global economy. Maupin is beloved by young radicals who are new to leftist concepts, and not weighed down by the de-moralization and political confusion leftover from the 1960s and 70s. Maupin’s presentations are carefully researched, making concise and clear arguments, aimed to make his audience question more, and understand the bigger picture.
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 No.359200

>>359128
Old Breadtube was serious about reading Marx and Kropotkin whereas new Breadtube is all about muh feels. Sad really.
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 No.359201

>>359198
are you his dad or something
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 No.359205

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>>359201
No, me as many young american radicals are just impressed at Caleb's speaking & writing career, which was built on the foundation of political activism. He has stood his ground on issues of economic justice, and is committed to building a new America for working families.

Caleb took his first steps into activism as a fourth grader, walking the picket lines with his mother and other Stark County Librarians who went on strike for better conditions in Canton, Ohio. Did you know that Maupin became a public figure in Cleveland, Ohio when he video recorded a group of student protesters being attacked by police? One of the students, who had walked out of school in opposition to teacher layoffs and school closings, was acquitted in court after Maupin’s video proved she had not assaulted the police. Cleveland Scene, a local alternative newspaper, profiled Maupin in an article entitled “The Communists Next Door.” Prior to the Occupy Wall Street protests of 2011, Maupin participated in the “Bloombergville” anti-austerity occupation in lower Manhattan. During the OWS protests, Maupin stood out for his blatant anti-capitalism, his opposition to the bombing of Libya, and calls for international and anti-racist solidarity among the young activists. At the first General Assembly planning the Occupy protests on August 2nd, 2011, Maupin gave a short speech emphasizing the phrase “Class against Class!”. A number of documentary films about the Occupy protests, such as “Owned & Operated” have included clips of Maupin’s brief remarks, and Anarchist academic David Graeber has directly pointed toward Maupin as representing the “hardline” and “communist” wing of the movement.
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 No.359219

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 No.359227

>>359198
>new vision for socialism in America
Which is what exactly?
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 No.359229

>>359198
> Maupin is beloved by young radicals who are new to leftist concepts
Yup you’ve got that right, people who’ve never read a book
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 No.359231

>>359205
>Caleb took his first steps into activism as a fourth grader, walking the picket lines with his mother
Only his dad would know this
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 No.359233

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 No.359247

>>358759
>his cock is small
How would you know this?
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 No.359249

>>359247
You can tell because he loves China, this is to make himself feel more adequate in that department when he remembers there are a bunch of small dicked Chinese men to compare himself too
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 No.359251

>>359198
>He's putty himself on the line sharing his brand new vision for socialism in America.
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 No.359254

>>358950
Hbomb is a marxist, though he keeps it subtle, presumably to act as a gateway to Marx.
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 No.359260

>>359254
No hes fucking not. He votes labour, was against Corbyn and voted against Brexit. He's a lib at best.
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 No.359264

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>>359231
You got me, it's me Father Maupin.
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 No.359266

>>359260
>was against Corbyn
wait gonna need a source on this
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 No.359268

>>359086
>>359128
Most of the people who id associate with this circle catered to a more niche audience, think 8/leftypol/ vs liberal spaces on reddit. That's not even considering that a good number left or went inactive after 2017-2018. (I miss batko and SocOrBar so much, I wish the latters vids were archived) I wouldn't even consider them to be in the same group as people like Contra, Vaush, that Hasan guy, although there are a few who overlap like Shaun and Hbomb who are among the better ones. In general I think liberal "breadtube" was a product of like 2016-2018 internet and it outlived its usefulness once the alt right kind of imploded and people stopped getting "The Great Replacement: How Jews Corrupt The West" in their recommended no matter what. Contra's stuff went from not that bad to mostly unwatchable after that for example. (Too bad she also deleted most of those) I also think that all the streamers who fried their brain playing video games got in on the grift after they saw the success of people like Contrapoints. I do think there are a smaller but growing number of channels that have kind of kept the original going, moreso MLs than anarchists. Hakim, Yugopnik, Luna Oi, etc. Then there's Infared who I honestly don't entirely understand the deal with since I didn't really use leftypol during the peak of the Hazbot invasion.
>>359068
remember when he got btfoed by finbol
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 No.359271

>>359268
Yeah I see Vaush as second, or maybe even third wave breadtuber. Iirc at the start most of breadtube hated Vaush.
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 No.359272

>>359198
Maupin is that you?
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 No.359275

>>358921
The control of pregnancies by men is the historical material basis of male-female domination, the absolute control by women of their fertility is the material basis of the destruction of the patriarchy throughout history, not wanting to deepen this control ( already fragile) or wanting to go back is the most stupid and reactionary position concerning human emancipation on the question of sexual domination.
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 No.359276

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 No.359280

>>359275
And to think of the state control of pregnancies is the greatest reactionary stupidity on this question.
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 No.359282

>>358924
HOLY KEK
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 No.359283

>>358976
Didn't Marx literally wrote an entire book-sized shit post about Stirner?
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 No.359286

>>359275
Abortion control should be absolutely free and collectively self-determined by womens, as long as domination relations on female sexuality have not been emancipated. This is not idpol, this is basic understanding of materialist female emancipation guys.
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 No.359290

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>>358921
>He's not against abortion being legal, he only thinks abortion should be harder to get and strongly discouraged.
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 No.359292

>>359283
Yea but he never published it.
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 No.359297

>>359050
> I'm not any fan of breadtube, but Dugin is a fucking autistic reactionary who's books read like 40k fanfiction written by someone just out of high school. Stop basing your opinions and views on whether it bothers someone you happen to dislike, stop praising individuals because of some presumed association they have with someone, stop having your entire odelogy predicated on memes. Get serious, read some actual theory, and disconnect yourself from retarded e-celeb discourse. That or go spend your days as some reddit political wojak larper, I don't care which.
Oh stfu you creampie bitch i study theory i read people like Dugin in a few hours.
Hes quite influential why wouldnt people read him?
Should people not read Zgniew Brishinski either? Whos the American equivalent?
You can cry about it being like warhammer fan fiction but Dugin presents a very raw emotional appeal to fighting US imperialism - which is absolutely based.
Marxists should be writing the kind of stuff like Dugin does but they're not
Only cry baby cringers and synthetic lefts that say shit like "Russia is fascist" are offended by Dugin because ultimately their ideology lines right up with US imperialisms foreign policy
If Dugin or Marxist-Leninists are successful in their foreign policy (as they basically align) the synth-lefts would have to work for once in their lives instead of sitting on top of the world like the worlds largest tick and getting boxes of commodities shipped to them and recycled US dollars that they use for wars and coup d'etats and funding anticommunist cocaine militias all over the globe
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 No.359298

>>359297
>Should people not read Zgniew Brishinski either?
never read a name you can't pronounce
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 No.359307

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>>359298
I missed some apostrophes also and spelt a bunch of stuff wrong due to my phone keyboard
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 No.359309

>>359297
>emotional appeal
Facts don’t care about your feelings though shitlib
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 No.359314

>>359297
>Marxists should be writing the kind of stuff like Dugin does but they're not
because socialists aren't retarded and you need to go fuck off or better yet kill yourself, you huge fucking retarded faggot
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 No.359333

>>359297
>Oh stfu you creampie bitch i study theory i read people like Dugin in a few hours.
Obviously not, because then you wouldn't be wasting your time with Dugin.
>Hes quite influential why wouldnt people read him?
Should people not read Zgniew Brishinski either? Whos the American equivalent?
Never stated that there wouldn't be people who have read him. But you're completely overstating his "influence". Dugin only gets attention because the west gives him attention in an attempt to associate Russia with him. Otherwise, barely anybody would know of him.
>You can cry about it being like warhammer fan fiction but Dugin presents a very raw emotional appeal to fighting US imperialism - which is absolutely based.
Yeah, and radlibs literally do the same thing. Good job, you've hit the absolute bare minimum, and not even that due to Dugins focus not being imperialism itself in actuality.
>Marxists should be writing the kind of stuff like Dugin does but they're not
I'm sorry Marxists aren't giving you the emotional candy you want to consume. Perhaps you should take politics more seriously then whatever gets you a hard on in the morning.
>Only cry baby cringers and synthetic lefts that say shit like "Russia is fascist" are offended by Dugin because ultimately their ideology lines right up with US imperialisms foreign policy
I'm not "offended", I disagree. Because I'm a Marxist, with convictions, and not a retarded larper. I've stated it before, but shit like this is literally no different then the synthetic leftists you complain about. It's not something actually built in terms of theory and principles, it's just another ideological suit you wear. I never stated Russia was fascist, and I'm not a child who can't separate Dugin from Russia like you.
>If Dugin or Marxist-Leninists are successful in their foreign policy (as they basically align)
Dugin and Marxists Leninists are nowhere aligned, and you can fuck off with this red-brown shit. If you've actually talked with Marxist-Leninists in Russia, none of them are lining up to work with Dugin. The only people who are doing so a the literal dreg of society that no one takes seriously.
>the synth-lefts would have to work for once in their lives instead of sitting on top of the world like the worlds largest tick and getting boxes of commodities shipped to them and recycled US dollars that they use for wars and coup d'etats and funding anticommunist cocaine militias all over the globe
Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with aligning with fucking Dugin or treating him with kiddie gloves. Fuck you, have a conviction for once and actually understand that just because a person states one thing that you agree with, it doesn't automatically make them "based".
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 No.359346

>>359264
Hey, everyone, look! An old man is talking! Everyone gather around.

>Grandpa Maupin is the name. Did you know that back in my day, we built a government of action to fight for working families!


Wow!

>Shaddup!
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 No.359434

>>359333
Dugin is based because of how he makes whiny western crybabies like you seethe at his mere mention
Maybe, just maybe if you stopped to think instead of writing an autistic, impotent screed its possible to read someone while disagreeing with most of their viewpoints
I also study Meinkampf (which is essentially what the West does to the globe today)

The only people that cry about Dugin usually are shit marxists with no deep ideological and theoretical security
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 No.359814

Based Caleb
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 No.360002

>>358939
>The Comminist Party is not banned in Russia.
Yeah because they're controlled opposition
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 No.360024

He will lead the revolution
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 No.360025

>>359434
>Dugin is based because of how he makes whiny western crybabies like you seethe at his mere mention
That's retarded and the exact issue I talked about. Even if I was everything you strawman me as, it wouldn't be a reason to think he's "based". This is contrarian and convictionless thinking, akin to thinking that one should support the orthodox church because some catholic back in the day might seethe. Its stupid.
>Maybe, just maybe if you stopped to think instead of writing an autistic, impotent screed its possible to read someone while disagreeing with most of their viewpoints
Again though, that doesn't make it "based". That just means you just agree with one point. You can likely find one point in which I agree with Gorbachev, doesn't make him "based".
>I also study Meinkampf (which is essentially what the West does to the globe today)
Out of all the fascist "theory" to study, Mein Kampf is probably the least useful to actually get something from.
>The only people that cry about Dugin usually are shit marxists with no deep ideological and theoretical security
Stop being a dishonest fag. This argument was about Dugin himself, not about whether it was ok or not to read him. I'm secure in both my theory and in my principles, which is why I can say Dugin is a retard without decending into the ideological cesspit of adopting views based on whether my opposition gets butthurt over it. I person with actual deep ideological and theoretical security doesn't care what others think, and he doesn't build his framework on how others may react to it or what those people may themselves oppose.
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 No.360050

>>360025
*A person
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 No.360171

Borger
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 No.360190

>>360002
>The communists in other countries are actually all secretly taking orders from their tyrannical authoritarian freedom-hating governments and only we enlightened westerners know the TRUE secrets of successfully carrying out a revolution. We just choose not to for reasons.

schitzo second internationale take, anon.
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 No.360209

>>360190
>>The communists in other countries are actually all secretly taking orders from their tyrannical authoritarian freedom-hating governments and only we enlightened westerners know the TRUE secrets of successfully carrying out a revolution. We just choose not to for reasons.
I never said anything like this. I'm sure a lot of socialist parties in Western countries are controlled opposition as well. The fact of the matter is that Russia is a de facto one-party state and all the other parties in the Duma, socialist or not, are effectively controlled opposition.
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 No.360220

>>>/itg/
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 No.360245

>>359134
>"ironic" thumbnail
>unironic braindead just thumbing through the book like he's writing a cinema sins video
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 No.360673

>>359264
The Irish age like milk.
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 No.360995

funny how many people talk about it
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 No.361021

>>360995
All this time people have been calling him insane for doing this, but if e-fame and being recognized are what he is after, then maybe it wasn't so crazy after all.
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 No.361027

About 3/4 way through the book.

Its actually brilliant. Was expecting some cringe nonsense and instead it's full of insightful history and marxist concepts
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 No.361033

>>360995
I can't watch this whole thing this guy is such a faggot. And I don't even necessarily agree with Maupin
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 No.361044

>>361027
Awesome
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 No.361045

>>361033
Maupins skitzo shit about bread tube makes him low hanging fruit which is a shame because he is actually quite knowledgeable about history and, some asides, has some pretty solid ideas. To bad he can't let go of the "breadtube CIA shit"
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 No.361054

>>361045
This reads like concern trolling. Caleb is good to watch fuck what others think
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 No.361067

We only have to hold 2 months before Maupin stans fuck off back to school anons, just be patient
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 No.361068

NTA
>>361054
>Caleb is good to watch fuck what others think
Caleb talks out of his ass 80% of time and engages in a kind of salesmanship tailism that comes off a just a simulated foil to breadtubes "acting". Caleb tries to "sell" you socialism, Breadtube tries to "act" it, and I take issue with both. One tries to convince you as a salesman would, the other as an actor would. Neither actually tries to fundamentally change the frame of reference or the actual way of thinking of the proletariat. Fuck what others think, and because of that, fuck this idea of needing absolve one person of criticism because some other group of people you hate happen to dislike the person.
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 No.361071

>>361068
Your critiques are all valid.

By fuck what others think I mean just enjoy his content if you do regardless of what say. If breatubers shit on him it doesn't matter at all people talk shit all the time online about literally anything.

https://youtu.be/-81BSn9qPXA
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 No.361073

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>>361068
>Caleb tries to "sell" you socialism
He indeed reminds one of a used car dealer
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 No.361095

Caleb's lack of heavy bookishness might be an asset in a way, in that he doesn't come off super autistic to normal folks who don't speak like it's the early 1900s.
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 No.361108

>>361095
>caleb
>doesn't come off as autistic
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 No.361153

>>361095
>calebs lack of knowing what he's talking about appeals to retards, like me
yes
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 No.361158

>>361068
how would you like to see it done then? do you have any examples?
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 No.361168

>>361153

Caleb doesn't claim to be some PhD expert. He's a guy who does YouTube videos on a tiny channel and shows up on a TV news network. Hes been involved in protesting for a few decades now and knows enough to talk about politics to do this compared the people who usually do this stuff say batshit retarded things with no basis

He also just spends a big part of his streams just talking about history idk how people can view him so negatively.
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 No.361363

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>>361158
>how would you like to see it done then? do you have any examples?
In terms of what I would prefer? I would prefer an actual discussion on how capitalism itself as a system fundamentally functions in a way that takes people's views from seeing the world in terms of simple individuals and their ideology (which is an actual giant issue in the west that seems to be ignored by a lot of leftists) and to that of seeing things as emergent properties of capitalism itself, and in a way that doesn't sugercoat the solution and dance around it. Don't sell it, tell them and teach them. That wall which traps people in a way of analysis that completely bars them from looking at the system as it's mechanisms, and instead as this spooky entity that is caught up in vagueries and mystification, is one of the biggest obstacles for the left and it's something even self-descibed "leftists" fall into. Leftism cannot also become a hobby, it cannot become this periodic fad picked up and then dropped when the "rush" dies, or perverted to try and reaquire that "rush" as you would a fad that's bored you. It has to become a conviction with principles, something which is both lived and studied, and not simply turned into impotent mush that is visted every Sunday before leaving it back in the retirement home. It has to be broken out of its geriatric state and carried out by people, wherever they go. The world is so insincere and without any genuine conviction, and leftists need to be that voice of sincere people who are boisterous in their declaration of the truth. Not because they wish to sell it to you, and not because it's an act for them, but because they honestly and genuinely know it to be true and wish for you to hear it, because you deserve to hear it. Not with tailism and flattery, people get that all the time in the everything they consume yet are hollow from, and the result will be leftists losing to those opportunists who have played the game longer, and more critically lose the initiative to those who can see parts of the future unfolding before the proletariat because we were too busy looking at the soles of their shoes rather then where those shoes were walking to. And not with acting either, people live their lives with actors nodding their heads and going through the movements to give what they know to be nothing more then entertainment and fabrication. We have to seize the future days the proletariat is walking into, we need to be something this world sorely lacks and desperately on some level knows it wants. I think we are in the blackest era, but not only of reaction. I think we're in an era where no one actually believes anything either, not truly in the way one might politically in the past. It's just motions and salesmanship, but there's nothing actually of substance there in anything. Fascists, liberals, communists, it's all just currently motions with no substance or actual conviction or belief in it. If you know something to be true, to be so true to you that it buries itself deep into your mind and leaves you unable to escape it's ever constant grasp, then there's nothing that can strip you from it. It becomes more then some fad that enamored you, it becomes something integral to you, not some lifestyle. That's what I want for people. Not the political hopscotch of today.

I know it sounds spooky, but there's something critically missing with all of the left, and even all of politics today. There's some "spirit" that isn't there, that need to make the truth known and to follow your convictions to a fault. That "substance" to those revolutionaries of the past that defined them, not only in notable leaders, but even in the most common of advocates within the masses. To be the thing itself, and not just a practitioner of it. I dont think it's in suits and facades. I think we need to find that or rediscover it, and soon.

I apologize if that sounds like rambling, but it's something that's be wracking me for a long while now
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 No.361405

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>>361108
he's autistic but based
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 No.361440

Who is Dr Steve Hassan?
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 No.361453

this is the most terminally online bullshit i have ever seen
if you think any of this has any meaningful effect on anything, im sorry, but you really should go outside for once
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 No.361772

>>361068
Because Caleb isn't a Marxist theorist. He's a Protestant preacher.
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 No.361783

>>361453
whatever, you fucking faggot

if you're so triggered by people online talking about online issues on an online forum then you're the moron that needs to fucking get out

shithead
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 No.361880

>>361405
Repeating yourself a million times is exactly what autistics do.

t. on the spectrum and do this frequently
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 No.361937

>>361783
why are you mad, you even saged the thread kek
if you want to calmly explain to me how "breadtube" matters enough to write a book about, go ahead
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 No.362060

Ok
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 No.362065

>>358757
He's kind of cute ngl.
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 No.362081

>>361068
Basically this. Caleb is a horrible socialist if I have ever seen one and his political opinions are complete and utter dogshit. But Caleb is a really good encyclopedia for socialism, he'd make a really good history teacher for socialism, especially socialism in America but that's it, anything having to do with contemporary politics Caleb is nothing but a schizoid freak and Russian state agent actor.
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 No.362174

Which one of these two is smarter?
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 No.362195

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>writing a 200+ page schizopost about youtubers that haven't been relevant in years


lol
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 No.362199

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 No.362201

>>362174
Comparing those two is basically a Godzilla vs King Kong situation. I'd say Maupin is smarter and more based, but I still like Jason more.
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 No.362203

>>362081
Caleb always struck me as that kid everyone think it's a genius because he memorized the whole dictionary
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 No.362204

>>362199
Too bad he and his wife are in a sexless marriage.
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 No.362205

>>362174
Maupin is a hell of a lot smarter. All Roo does is repeat whatever his current group of friends say. Maupin also reads while Roo is functionally illiterate.
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 No.362215

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Don't forget to play next time he's on live.
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 No.362216

>>362174
Neither one of them is a Marxist anymore, so.
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 No.362219

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>>358748
Is Caleb Maupin a secret globalist? 🌐
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 No.362220

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 No.362221

>>362216
>anymore
What do you mean? Jason never changed his ideology.
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 No.362232

>>362215
>Vaush
>thoughtslime
>leftist
chart discarded
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 No.362235

>>362221
Jason is becoming VERY New Agey. I don't think he holds to Marxism much less DiaMat/HistMat anymore.
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 No.362239

>>362221
99% of Third Worldists are de-growth Malthusians.
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 No.362262

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>>361068
Very based.I still remember during Biden's inauguration, Jennifer Lopez sang 'This is Your Land' but butchered and watered down the lyrics. Then Caleb used that to shame and browbeat Vaush.

What was so frustrating to me was that Lopez's treatment of song is a very typical way of socialists and left wing artists and their art being slowly bluewashed and recuperated. Caleb could have easily pointed out such a recuperation mechanism in capitalism and use it to explain why the American people are so classcucked. That their collective recollection of anything socialist or communist is being eliminated and diluted like selective amnesia.

Instead he just insisted that Woody Guthrie was approved of Stalin therefore Vaush opposes Woody. That's why I don't like Caleb, he doesn't attempt to use his politics to change the way people see and understand captialism and socialism, but to use his politics as a weapon to attack others.
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 No.362284

>>362235
Correct. He sounds closer to a post-left spiritual wiritual anarchist at this point.
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 No.362285

If this motherfucking ginger repeats himself one more fucking time
>Scroll randomly through the book
>find 15 examples of stories / arguments he's repeated for 500 times on his livestreams
>close and unsubscribe
Actual NPC
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 No.362298

>>362235
>>362284
Because Third Worldists, whether they like it or not, think communism comes about because everyone "believes" in communism. They like the Third World over the West because they erroneously believe Third Worlders are "closer" to communism because they're poorer, more religious, have stronger family and community structures, and are thus more "pure." That's why Third Worldists (as well as the vast majority of Maoists) adore the lumpenproletariat and obsess over consciousness.

Caleb may be a douchebag at times but his basic understanding of Marxism and how socialism develops into communism are correct.
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 No.362374

>>361068
>Caleb tries to "sell" you socialism,
To be fair, he does do a good job of converting right-wingers to socialism, because he understands how white working-class people with socially conservative values think.
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 No.362549

>>361363
Based agree
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 No.362553

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>>362262
A post from the /USAPol/ thread. He's not a Trotskyist but he was in the WWP which is a Marcyist group (which also split creating the PSL). Sam Marcy was a Trotskyist but his changed to uncompromisingly support AES, but those parties always seemed very insular and sectarian, like they're still carrying a "Trotskyist" character, which might have influenced his weird politics.

>>362298
I'm not really read-up on "third worldism" as a tendency, but I thought consciousness forms from the production process itself, so it seems logical that people would look to the third world because there's a vast labor force in Africa and Asia which is not only growing, but a lot of that labor force is living in conditions that wouldn't be out of place in Marx's time. Then you look at America and see how white people with reactionary politics dream instead of owning land and being self-sufficient like they think their ancestors lived when that's just fabricated propaganda. It's the American Dream. That's not a proletarian consciousness.

It's kind of funny to me, because if I say that third worlders are more interested in socialism for these reasons relating to production, I've found liberals can often more easily agree with that, it can seem intuitive to them, which I think is because they have these humanitarian notions about "racial justice" and so on, as vague as they are about it. There are also attitudes about the poor having "purity" here. But that doesn't mean they're Marxists. Then on the other side of the coin, I've found Trotskyists in particular and some dogmatic Marxists to be very hostile to that idea. I think they get Marxism backwards though. "Marxism says socialism is supposed to develop this way." But that's like saying the correct philosophy falls out of the sky, which is against the idea that truth emerges from experience, which is counter to the idea of how Marxism seeks to understand the world. Now, if we look at the 20th century, where did Marxism really catch fire? It wasn't in the United States.
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 No.362621

>>362553
Third Worldists don't really care about relations of production though. For most of them it's more like: "fuck the proletariat, it's whomever is *spiritually closer* to communism that will lead the revolution." Hence why so many Third Worldists (like Unruhe) end up rejecting HistMat for New Age bullshit, "spiritual connection to the land", etc.
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 No.362642

>>362553
This is the brain of an ML. They think because someone is a Trotskyist they can't critically support the state capitalist revisionist countries. The majority of Trots critically supported """aes""", as did ultras abd leftcoms. Their politics was critically supportive in politics and highly critical in theory. A few reactionary bad apples are only but a vocal minority, but because so many folks have kid brains they enter the realm of larp and act like it's a war of ideologies instead of critical disagreements between comrades.
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 No.362776

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This is some heavy shit
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 No.362778

>>362776
Lmfao amazing
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 No.362786

>>362776
He's right about liberalism becoming illiberal and that a lot of the left is opportunistically joining in, but I would have figured trump was the bonapartist
With the difference being liberalism is no longer a middle class, revolutionary ideology and is imperialist
So a Bonaparte is the underdog
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 No.362788

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>shilling Caleb "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics with US Christian Conservative Characteristics" Maupin
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 No.362796

here's a thought experiment, if someone had to persuade white workers from appalachia to throw in with the Left, the average poster here would be better or the supposed communist preacher Caleb?
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 No.362815

>>362796
Caleb would do good
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 No.362818

>>362796
>f someone had to persuade white workers from appalachia to throw in with the Left
define left
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 No.362822

>>362796
Obviously Caleb. An average /leftypol/ anon would do some really autistic shit.
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 No.362854

>>362776
He's not wrong.
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 No.362857

Caleb "communist men should wear suits and communist women should wear dresses" Maupin
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 No.362861

>>362857
You'd be the type to be rioting against Stalin if you were alive during USSR.
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 No.362866

>>362861
"Women should wear dresses" is rather patriarchal, don't you think?
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 No.362873

>>362866
>>362857
Stop spreading BS about Caleb's views. Maupin is pro-choice, pro legalizing weed, pro-gay marriage and pro LGBTQ. By normal (not PMC American leftoid schizoids) standards his views are very socially liberal.
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 No.362931

>>362873
>Maupin is pro-choice
He's on record saying abortion in America needs to be more restrictive.

> pro legalizing weed

He frequently shames addicts and pushes the notion that recreational drug use is a CIA weapon.

>pro-gay marriage and pro LGBTQ

Why does he platform transphobes?
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 No.362940

>>362931
>He's on record saying abortion in America needs to be more restrictive.
Where? As far as I'm aware he's personally against abortion but favors the right to choose.

>He frequently shames addicts and pushes the notion that recreational drug use is a CIA weapon.

So explaining how drugs are bad for people (especially revolutionaries, see what happened to Newton) to consume and that the CIA pushed the hippie/LSD crap is somehow shaming?

>Why does he platform transphobes?


One interview with some communist Terf (most britbongs are transphobic) doesn't make him a bad guy. By this logic, Jason Unruhe is a Nazi by debating/"platforming" Richard Spencer.
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 No.362946

Glow in the dark thread.
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 No.362950

Gonna read it
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 No.362959

>>362940
Unruhe is too stupid to hold consistent principles. That's why he was oblivious as to why everyone was giving him shit for talking to Spencer.
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 No.362965

>>358779
>>358822
Watching his streams I must ask: how is it that Caleb always looks good and dresses but can't put any effort into cleaning his fucking apartment wall? It's dirty, has cracks in it, etc. I couldn't imagine livestreaming in a room that gross looking.
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 No.363117

A good idea is also to leave good reviews to Paul Cockshott, Samir Amin, Prabhat Patnaik, Michael Roberts, Grover Furr, etc.
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 No.363166

I dont understand how you could even watch this fucking clown when he believes some of the most retarded shit
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 No.363169

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 No.363170

>>363166
T.vaush fan
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 No.363179

>>363117
Cockshott and Amin are memes.
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 No.363194

>>363179
>He says in a Maupin thread
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 No.363201

>>363169
Protip: communists in most countries are patriotic. It's only in America and Canada where leftists burn their countries' flags and chant "death to America/Canada".
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 No.363206

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 No.363208

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>>363201
Gee, could it have something to do with political economy?
Do most of those communists you're thinking about live in western Europe? Japan? Australia? No? Well then maybe it's something else that has a a pretty big fat material consequence for why this is.
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 No.363214

>>363206
You LARPing as a Mormon in a fucking business suit isn't going to make workers stream into Communist orgs for a revolution in the US, sorry to break it to you.
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 No.363219

>>362232
I know Vaush is one of leftypol's favorite boogeymen, but what's wrong with ThoughtSlime?
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 No.363223

>>363214
Surely vaush talking about fucking horses and legalizing child porn will lead to a revolution!

The critiques of Caleb are so bad you are literally mad the guy wearing a suit and not dressing like a slob
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 No.363224

>>363219
He's always struck me as a stereotypically spineless radlib-adjacent "socialist" type. You saying you're finding him appealing?
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 No.363229

>>363223
>Y-YOUU MUST B VAUSHITE!11111111
Desperate.
>Casual wear, not LARPing as a business owner to appeal to the bourgeois, which is his actual goal, is "dressing like a slob".
Despicable.
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 No.363237

>>363201
lmao who says "Death to Canada"?
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 No.363241

>>358751
>maupin haters are actually buying this book to read it
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 No.363243

>>363224
He has good content. I don't understand what you mean when you say he seems "spineless" though.
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 No.363244

>>362215
What’s up with Caleb’s fascination with the old CPUSA anyway? Pretty sure they lost miserably.
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 No.363257

>>363237
You’ve obviously never been to a communist rally in Canada…
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 No.363258

>>363244
You're taking him to be too deep. It really is surface-level. He shills CPUSA because that is the most glowop'd US communist party (so, in the interest of the bourgeoisie, just like abandoning Marxism-Leninism for SWCC and choosing the optics that appeal to corporations).
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 No.363259

>>363258
You honestly believe Maupin is a glowie?
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 No.363262

>>363257
Why do they hate Canada? Is it because of how they treated Natives in the past? They're not le ebil global empire that America is, so it doesn't seem that Canada has done much wrong in the present day.
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 No.363267

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 No.363271

>>363244
Simple: he’s trying to show that Americans do have a rich history of leftist radicalism and that communism isn’t something alien to American culture. It’s a great sales pitch if you ask me.
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 No.363278

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 No.363284

>>363278

That's smart though imo those Gun movements could easily get you wrapped up in some fake ass terrorist charges by feds or criminal things. By just focusing on talking and uniting people you are much safer
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 No.363293

>>363284
Opportunism.
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 No.363294

>>363293
>you are an opportunist unless you get yourself involved with some glowie LARP gun club
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 No.363297

>>363293

I wouldn't join any gun groups myself. Would absolutely join a speaking group over that in today's political environment. If you say me as an opportunist for that, that's fine. You can go out there and get your big guns with your friends and unite together and take the risk yourselves more power to you
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 No.363310

You people that have this idea that communism doesn't involve risk (like legally acquiring firearms and practice marksmanship in the fucking US) are phonies just in it to get some clout you could monetize as a petit-bourgeois later down the line. You have nothing in common with Marx or documented life of any successful revolutionary during the last 100 years.
Let me repeat: the only reason specifically the CPUSA is sherished inside these pseudo-communist circles is because it is the most de-fanged, inconsequential, controlled opposition communist party in the United States.
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 No.363335

>>363310

This is the direct equivalent of wignat rhetoric and talk on the right
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 No.363380

>>363335
Moronic statement
If you let "the wignats" have Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao then I guess US really will be the last country to achieve socialism. But that's already the assumption among most active communist movements in the peripheries.
Good reminder for me to read Samir Amin.
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 No.363382

>>363380
No the wignat talk is the complete disregard for your safety or federal issues. Just "bro we got to out there with our guns it's what real socialist do!!!!"

Life isn't about who can be the most hardcore and badass
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 No.363427

>>363382
Training marksmanship legally isn't anymore a threat to your life than joining a boxing club you fucking dweeb. Also "federal issues" yeah, like you ignoring FBI deep penetration into the CPUSA? Comical.
>"bro we got to out there with our guns it's what real socialist do!!!!"
>Life isn't about who can be the most hardcore and badass
Communism and revolution sure as fuck is more badass than what you are capable of, that's for sure.
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 No.363514

Caleb's preacher shit means that he can better connect to the ordinary person in a place where there's a history of those preacher types, and his upholding of AES means that he can actually bring demonstrations of the successes of leftism or communism to the table, and not just offer what effectively are illusionary unicorns of perfect purity, to people who already are jaded about the promises of politicians. And while preoccupation over the business about formality and not coming off slobs is overrated, one doesn't go wrong by clean attire, and it's stupid to complain about Caleb's choices of uniforms. Caleb sometimes does jump to idiotic contrarianism and idiotic takes, but because he actually posesses both progressive ideals and that fervent connection to the place he lives, he is a better propagandist of leftism than most people here.
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 No.363600

>>363310
>the only reason specifically the CPUSA is sherished inside these pseudo-communist circles is because it is the most de-fanged, inconsequential, controlled opposition communist party in the United States.
Give me one fucking reason for why isn't the CPUSA just as badly infiltrated as all the other communist parties in the USA.

The thing is that capitalism can't be overthrown by a five-member group which of course of possesses 100% perfect pure revolutionary "line". Only a real worker's party can do that which is able to organize and represent the whole working class. A vanguard won't just misteriously appear: a vanguard has to be built through hard work by actually involving working people as much as possible. Daily reminder that Marx & Lenin were just as opposed to sectarianism as they were opposed to reformism.

In the end the CPUSA is one of the strongest if not the strongest worker's party in the US (membership size, connections with unions, etc.) among the ones which are more than just a Democratic lobby group disguised as a political party (DSA).
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 No.363621

>>363514
>upholding of AES means that he can actually bring demonstrations of the successes of leftism
>offer what effectively are illusionary unicorns of perfect purity
Offering a prior example and creating a mediocre political program is utopian. Being a communist means understanding that communism is brought about by the actually existing class conflict inherent to the capitalist mode of production. It has nothing to do with making promises, which is what Caleb Maupin's ideological project is all about.
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 No.363623

>>363621
TL;DR few people here are communists or know what it entails to be one
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 No.363688

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>>358939
>Whats more this "far right" Russian state has never committed anti communist massacres
Lol
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 No.363692

>>363201
>It's only in America and Canada where leftists burn their countries' flags and chant "death to America/Canada".
Pretty sure socialists in other countries chant "death to America" as well
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 No.363701

>>363201
Because those leftists don’t live in America/Canada lmao.
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 No.363725

>>363621
>>363623
nonono communism is when you do personality cult of dead people
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 No.363751

Eurasianism was born as a nationalist alternative to marxism. It's inception is from dissident who moved to france.
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 No.363791

>>363725
>pErSoNaLiTy CuLt oF DeAd pEoPlE!
Wow these Maupinites degenerated into liberalism real fast!
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 No.363808

>>363600
It's public knowledge at this point, you mean you haven't read about it? It was targeted in the 50s and it turned their political program from revolutionary to reformist (revisionist). It hasn't changed back to the better since then. Here's an archive:
https://archive.org/details/CPUSA
Meanwhile, other communist parties, like for example the American Party of Labor, but also even the PSL, which has a program I disagree with, still by contrast to CPUSA is an actual communist party, revolutionary, and is also observable by the differential treatment it gets vs the CPUSA. I recommend you look into recent news regarding it if you're unaware.

>>363427
I'm gonna do you a solid here:
Turns out there's already a movement we left behind back in the 2nd International, still around, that would fit your temperament way better!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
https://www.dsausa.org/
https://www.socialistpartyusa.net/
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 No.364950

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FYI, this is the kind of synthetic "leftism" Maupin (rightfully) speaks out against.

I cannot imagine holding to these kinds of views when socialist countries have historically been very good when it comes to providing homes.
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 No.364974

>>364950
These people behave like children lol

"It makes me feel very good"
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 No.364987

>>364958
>be nomadic aka van life
Not an option if you have children, which most white working-class people do.

>buy land and give it to a local tribe

>rent
So, feudalism in a feathered headdress, basically.
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 No.365033

>>364987
There is nothing socialist about paying rent to ANYONE, white, indigenous, or otherwise.

This shit has to be paid for by the Ford Foundation.
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 No.365035

Shitlib moron more like
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 No.365039

>>358939
>the Russian state has never massacred communists
Bitch it was literally created by the CIA and massacred the actual literal Soviet Union
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 No.365064

>>365039
B-b-b-but Putin is FORMER KGB and Russia has lots of STATE-OWNED INDUSTRY!!!
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 No.365078

>>365033
The Ford Foundation website allows you to download a whole spreadsheet that tells you where all their many, many donations go to. I haven't had a chance to look through the whole thing yet but it should prove fascinating.
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 No.365085

>>365078
I wouldn't be surprised if they and the Rockefellers were funding most of the "Land Back" bullshit.
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 No.365100

>>365085
One of the authors of "Decolonization is not a metaphor" was a beneficiary of the Ford Foundation, though I'm not sure if that was before, during, or after she helped write that paper. It would be interesting to see what other decolonization-peddling academics got money from them too, or their departments.
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 No.365143

>>365100
I'm certain the ultra-rich love "decolonization" for two reasons: 1. it promotes the idea of de-growth and 2. it steers people away from genuine anti-capitalism and communist struggle.
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 No.365164

>>365143
That, and the term really means nothing when you think about it.

Ask any grad student what "decolonization" entails and they'll pull 10 entirely different answers out of their asses.
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 No.365451

>>363267
This is a grade-A right-wing critique of Marxism.
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 No.365454

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>>358751

Jason reviewing the book
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 No.365461

>>365454
I'm guessing he's going to go on a braindead rant about how Caleb's proposals are "settler socialism" or some shit. "UGH WE NEED THIRD WORLDISM NOT SOCIALISM WITH AMERICAN CHARACTERISTICS. THE FIRST WORLD NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT."
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 No.365474

>>365461
He is going to cross the rubicon and declare a liberation war for Dore against the dastardly Jabba the Vaowsh and his twisted cohorts
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 No.365552

>>358751
Honestly, the only thing I strongly disagree with is Maupin's extremely sex negative position. "Margaret Sanger gave up socialism for sex, therefore anyone who supports sexual liberation is anti-communist." Complete non-sequitur and a very hasty generalization.

Like okay, I get Maupin's whole "socialists need to have as many children as possible after the revolution" thing. But I'm disgusted by how he keeps pushing the idea that birth control is somehow against socialist aims when socialists were some of the first people to push for birth control. Even the CPUSA when it was "good" (in Maupin's view) was pro-birth control and pro-abortion.
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 No.366480

Vaush is literally defending CIA talking points on his stream right now, lmao
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 No.368485

LIVE NOW WITH PETER COFFIN.
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 No.369077

HE'S LIVE ONE MORE TIME.
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 No.369156

>>365552
>Margaret Sanger gave up socialism for sex
Did she really gave up socialism though? It looks like she was always a fellow traveler whose became less quiet as the radicalism of the era fades away like Helen Keller
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 No.369178

>>369156
That's a good point.
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>>371175
Service interruption
https://youtu.be/99oNqpqc2qo
New stream
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 No.371989

>I needed this book in my life. It taught me how to be a man and now I start screaming and crying at my phone when I encounter a breadtuber. This book puts the Chapo guide to revolution, Capital, Industrial society and it’s future, and settlers to shame!
Lmao which of you based lads wrote this
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 No.372009

This reads like someone from NEDtube actually wrote it, I suggest you read the whole thing if you want to have a hearty kek, and yes this was written like this, further proving this person is a redditor and a jewish nigger:

>I couldn't decide whether to review this atrocious Mess of Malicious Diatribes and pseudo intellectual word-salad or to simply use this purchase as a cautionary life-lesson directed inward to my theoretical future self in order to evade reliving a tormenting-Tome this abhorrent again.


>It is for one reason, and one solitary reason only… That I am prolonging this self imposed spiritual immolation even a single moment longer than it needs to persist…


>That reason, is to utilize my suffering as a cautionary tale to any who may tread here… This is no mere exaggeration. I have read a great many books. Some bad, some middling in their mediocrity, and others truly sublime. This… "book"… is insulting in a way I never thought an assembled collection of words could manage.


>What I mean by that, is not that I am offended as one would be offended by a slur, or ribbing.


>I mean 'insulting' in the way that what this book claims to be (an expose on a clique of individuals, perpetually online, whom claim to be one thing when in reality they serve the opposite) is so far removed from the reality of what this book actually is… you could fit the known universe betwixt…


>So with that… I begin the unenviable chore of warning you, dear reader, in a way I hope will firstly, demystify the book so there is left no curiosity to expose yourself to this absolute garbage… and secondarily to possibly alleviate some of this malaise that's wrapped itself like a braid through my ribcage and around my heart.


>First and foremost, I take no pleasure in tearing down an author who obviously spent a great deal of time in writing a book, something that most people will never do within their lifetime… And this is certainly a book… that was written by a person.


>Unfortunately, this is where my praise will end. The Author wrote a book. Books are hard to write… So… well done, Author… who wrote words on pages that together, construct a book… *sigh*…


>Now, The quality of the book however… is astonishingly bad. So bad in fact that I found myself experiencing an emotion I have never felt before, and I suppose that's another morsel of praise I can levy to the author?


>The dream of every author I would hope, is Plunge the depths of your reader… to tether your words to the readers very soul… carving wings from the stone trapping their heart and freeing them to take flight through the chapters of the world you've created for them…


>This author DID plunge deep into my soul… this IS a thing that happened…Though The rope did not tether to my soul, it bound my hands. he carved no wings, but instead bars to a prison… I apologize for the flowery words and analogies but I lack a simple way to explain the emotion I was forced to feel while reading this swill…


>That emotion gained mass like an abscess beneath the surface of my soul as I read the book. The swelling started as a meager twinge at first… but by the end it felt as if it were ready to burst, spilling its contents from my chest onto the very pages themselves…


>It took me a bit to identify this feeling… I believe primarily due to the fact that it was a nuanced and complex emotion, built out of several emotions where it then culminated into a singular, awful, sick, sensation… but after some introspection I was able to coherently name it… and with that name, I was able to concisely bridge this whirlwind of disgust into a clear narrative of why I disliked this entire experience so greatly.


>What I felt, was as such…


>Disappointment as a parent would feel… The horrific, soul-shattering anguish… at witnessing in vivid detail a child fail in an irreparable, unfixable, and altogether unforgivable way… and a sickening regret at the time wasted in conceiving, birthing, raising, loving, and expecting the best of that child…


>This is the portrait of my unnamable, utter disgust, manifesting at seeing an art form (writing) I love utilized in such a grotesque way. It was my regret at reading the first word of such a cursed text… If this book wasa child, I'd have rued the day it was born and prayed I'd aborted it…


>*breathes…* now… Now that you hopefully understand my lament… and hopefully wish to avoid this sensation yourself… allow me to review this abortion of a book in a less abstract manner…


>In "BreadTube Serves Imperialism: Examining The New Brand of Internet Psuedo-Socialism" (herein abbreviated as BSIE) Caleb Maupin, the author, attempts to achieve a fairly simple objective in three parts.


>1. Reframe the political beliefs of a group of successful political influencers within the Framework of the authors definitions of such


>2. Question and disrobe the intentions, morals, motives, and intelligence of those same political influencers as well as their audiences.


>3. Frame himself (The Author) as the moral arbiter and a proprietor of, and influencer within, the true global intelligencia


>There is more to go over within, but I can sum this entire book up concisely in a few paragraphs as follows… then, possibly… Maybe… hopefully… I will be able to rid myself of remembering this awful book ever again, though I unfortunately will never be able to reclaim the time stolen from me.


>Here goes…


>This entire book reads as if it were a an over-glorified twitter thread… or worse a comment on youtube, buried under fifty others. You will find placed shallowly beneath the poorly executed sentences and words used in a manner that suggests the author chose them for their phonetic weight so as to sound smarter than he actually is (Rather than their actual definition)… a seething hatred which is poorly masked.


>This entire book is one, long, aggravatingly stupid, hate-post. He spends an entire chapter (Possibly two?) focusing on one person, only then to witch to verbally attacking another, JUST to seemingly remember who he is most furious with and begin lashing out again!… (who.. hurt you?).


>It's like watching a small, loud, angry dog, pitter-patter-flying violently at breakneck speed, to opposite sides of a very small room, to levy barks out two opposite facing windows…


>he attempts to string together arguments logically but there is no logic consistency! An example is that he continually talks about imperialism and Americas role in a type of forever-colonialism (Which I certainly can agree with!) but he then praises china and the soviet union! there are MANY logical inconsistencies that he strings together and does so seemingly to levy attacks at people from this breadtube.


>Possibly the worst offense is that The author seems to not understand the definition of either socialism or communism… which is the BEDROCK of the authors discontent with these individuals from this community he's speaking about!


>there is so much wrong here… that is is impossible to go over all of it, but i highly suggest not exposing yourself to it… >Save yourself…


>Final review…


>… Badly written.

>… unintelligent drivel
>… reads like an angry twitter thread which has had it's character limit removed.
>… the author seems to be politically a "nazbol" rather than a communist in which he claims
>… Seemingly written by an offensively unreliable narrator

>Final Verdict…


>as stated earlier… if this Book were a child… I would abort it.
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 No.372022

>>368485
Peter Coffin did seem to have knocked out the incels at kiwifarms by acquiring a hot wife two times now.

This guy who used to be a lolcow really did grow on me, I wish I could erase his past sins from my memory.
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 No.372444

>>358748
Going in I thought that this book would be shit, this book blew past my expectations, it was very good, I would recommend that everyone read it.
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 No.381195

>>359047
Automate that shit uygha
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 No.381471

>>381179
this book is still a good critique of breadtube
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 No.381473

Did anyone here actually read the book?
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 No.381488

>>372022
Peter Coffin is probably the best breadtuber let's be honest
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 No.381525

>>372126
page 109 there is a strong passage. apart from the use of the word 'huge' it looks good.

a lot of these pages lack the momentum and force and use goofy words mixed in with elaborate ones that look like someone in highschool wrote it
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 No.384966

https://youtu.be/feLuPPC6Kwk
Live and talking about Cuba
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 No.385000

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>>372097
would be surprised if he's a legit fed asset at this point, subverting the left to get years off his pedo sentence
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 No.385003

>>381488
thats because he and angie and the rest of the "coffin orbiters" have been exiled from breadtube for "class reductionism" which means they are based
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 No.385186

I'm 2/3rds done with this book and it's a whole buncha bullshit Lenin and Marx would shy away from.
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 No.385246

>>385186
Explain.
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 No.385250

>>385246
1/3rd of the book is just dunking on obvious anarcho shit
>b-b-but M-marx was an anti-statist
1/3rd of the book is just TL;DR Marxist theory, 20th century AES, dunking on Breadtube for what a shit they are
1/3rd of the book is literally Maupin's conspirational thinking (e.g. Pol Pot was a CIA-supported gang, but you know who is also such! Breadtube!)
>also fuck Freud (since Cocaine)
>also fuck Frank Furt School (since CIA)
>also fuck other shit I (Caleb) haven't read, since… (reading books: hard)

It's literal burger idiocy by a conspiratorial moron who didn't even do his job on his supposed opponents. It's pathetic.
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 No.385275

>>385250
Sounds like textbook Maupin.

>extreme black-and-white thinking

>creating "straw leftists" which serve as a caricature of some obscure tendencies on the left but which are barely representative of the majority of leftists as a whole
>hasty generalizations
>poisoning the well
>drawing vague links between certain historical figures and the modern left of today
>extreme moralism
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 No.385297

>>385250
>>also fuck Frank Furt School (since CIA)
So he's jumped on the anti-Frankfurt bandwagon too, eh?
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 No.385444

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>>385250
Breadtube is probably a cia op though.
Or rather one of its many tentacles in disseminating money to youtubers who say the right thing: agree with US foreign policy and act as a funnel back to vooting for the democrats

You dont get positive coverage, like Contrapoints has, in Ny Times unless your views more or less align with the imperialists
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 No.386593

>>385275
>>extreme black-and-white thinking
Give me one example where Caleb has done this.
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 No.386941

LIVE NOW.
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 No.386960

>>386941
He knows Muslim countries execute people for drinking alcohol in public, right?
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 No.386974

Why isn't this crap in the e-celeb containment thread?
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 No.387016

>>386941
Why does he keep repeating right-wing talking points about the Frankfurt School?
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 No.390983

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Boot's with us
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 No.390987

writing a book with "breadtube" in the title is some deranged shit
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 No.390994

GET IN HERE before the stream ends.
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 No.390995

>>390994
Fuck, CIA got him AGAIN.
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 No.390996

Marx, to diss on rivals, literally wrote books which had callouts in the book titles, so Maupin is not exactly anomalous here.
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 No.400192

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This has to be one of the most spooked passages I've read in my life. Breadtube hates "middle America" because MA won't give up their beliefs in Jesus? Please.

I'm starting to agree with everyone on here who says Caleb is just a Christian preacher. Every other argument he makes in this book is a moral one oozing with Christfaggotry.
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 No.400221

>>400192
I'm not really a Maupin fan but he did say some true things here about the fabled (and somewhat mythical) 'white working class' in America. Replace 'Breadtube' with 'urban left-liberals' and everything there is almost common knowledge; poor whites are rebelling against (relatively) bad conditions and urban libs' condescension. I agree that the way he writes about Jesus and academia ('postmodernism' here) is hardly distinguishable from reactionary authors' writings, and apparently throughout the book he presents himself as some sort of Christlike Great Man bringing communism to America, lol.
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 No.400240

>>400221
I'd argue a lot of his attitudes come from the fact that he grew up in the Rust Belt and internalized those values. He assumes that a socialist America would look like the white picket fence, just under a red flag. Mom and dad happily married working in unionized workplaces where they're building up the socialist nation while their 4-7 kids (gotta get those birthrates up and make abortion much harder to obtain) go to top tier schools where they learn labor history and sing odes to the old CPUSA.

The thing about Caleb is that while many of his criticisms about the "synthetic left" are correct, he often times critiques them from the right, not from the "genuine" left as he claims. For instance, he says culture wars don't mean anything and the "genuine left" should steer clear of anything culture-related as not to upset social conservatives. Yet, if we look at how, say, LGBTQIA+ individuals, Muslims, Jews, and most lumpenproletariat are oppressed, it's not necessarily because bosses extracting their surplus value but due to *cultural* stigmas. If we ignore the oppressive results of social conservatism, we ignore some very real forms of oppression which can't be remedied by better infrastructure or state control of industry.

And let's face it: most ideology is reproduced outside the workplace. It might do Caleb a bit of good to read Althusser on the ideological state apparatus stuff.

With that said, one of the biggest things were I do agree with Caleb is him pointing out how the modern left has become obsessed with finding the "perfect" revolutionary subject, which in turn causes them to prioritize the lumpenproles over real proles. They would rather organize girls with Only Fans than the undocumented immigrants picking our corn and tomatoes, on the basis that whores are more "pure" as they are allegedly more outside the system. I just wish Caleb articulated this better rather than throwing around terns like "the synthetic left is a death cult" or "the synthetic left is brainwashed by the CIA to hate working people".
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 No.400246

>>400243
In many parts of the US Jews still aren't considered "white".

My boyfriend is Jewish and when we were driving through Kentucky he was almost attacked by two antisemites when we stopped for gas.
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 No.400248

>>400246
People get attacked everyday everywhere. Part of life.
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 No.400249

>>400248
How many of them are attacked for being Jewish?

Again, class isn't the end-all-be-all when it comes to oppression. Things like cultural stigmas matter. Maupin won't address this because he knows it can't be solved with more steel mills.
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 No.400253

>>400192
Those indigenous vigilantes in Canada are right. Burn the motherfucking churches.
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 No.400259

>>400240
>
yes
>
few lefties have figured out how to differentiate the meaningless, endless hamster wheel style of culture war from the ideology with lasting impact
>And let's face it: most ideology is reproduced outside the workplace. It might do Caleb a bit of good to read Althusser on the ideological state apparatus stuff.
good luck, he's literally 'muh cultural marxism' on theorists after Lenin, conspiracy brained because reading 2 hard
>"the synthetic left is a death cult" or "the synthetic left is brainwashed by the CIA to hate working people".
utterly embarrassing
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 No.400263

>>400259
I've also seen Caleb deliberately misrepresent authors he claims to have read. He said Adorno was behind deconstruction. The grad student in me wanted to slam my head against a brick wall, especially since Adorno was trying to revive object-oriented ontology in his later years (which is entirely against deconstruction).
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 No.400273

>>400263
i didn't know OOO was that old. yeah iirc on a stream he once said that Adorno was 'synthetic left' (or an op maybe??) because Adorno quoted Wilhelm Reich in a book regarding psychoanalysis, and Reich was a crackpot, therefore Adorno cancelled lol. I stopped paying attention to him then
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 No.400279

>>400273
I doubt Caleb could understand Adorno. It bothers me greatly how eager he is to poison the well - "this academic wrote for a publication that took money from the CIA, therefore everything they've ever written is worthless and only helps the ruling class." What kind of mentality is that?
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 No.400284

>>400279
Yeah he's treating the writing like it's impenetrable voodoo magic, like it's the NED or CIA and you have to assume evil workings behind the scenes. But it's just texts lol, it's all right there, you can read it yourself and form an argument against it, and instead he's like 'Althusser killed his wife, so the Devil has tainted his work'
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 No.400285

>>400273
>>400279
One other thing, which I said in another thread: I feel like Caleb slut shames a hell of a lot without blatantly slut-shaming. He's constantly equating sex with degeneracy and birth control with eugenics, like instead of shaming women who have lots of sex for being "sluts" he shames them for being "Malthusians" by being on the pill or something. He's also said on livestreams multiple times he thinks abortion access should be much more restrictive and that doctors should be allowed to deny women abortion services (can't see how that would go wrong in a "socialism" where everyone is compelled to increase the birthrate, would it?).

Again, these are right-wing talking points dressed up in leftist language, and a testament to how ignorant Caleb is when it comes to cultural issues.
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 No.400288

>>400284
It's so bloody frustrating to deal with those people. It gets to a point where it becomes an excuse for anti-intellectualism. "I won't read Author X because [insert problematic thing here]." Very childish.
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 No.400291

>>400240
Caleb is a retard and so are you.
One should apply materialist analysis to culture
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 No.400293

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scromiting at this
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 No.400295

>>400240
>*cultural* stigmas. If we ignore the oppressive results of social conservatism,
Cultural stigmas have a materialist explanation. Which you (liberal) and maupin (social conservative) don't consider when making your analysis. Both
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 No.400298

>>400291
>One should apply materialist analysis to culture
Which Caleb doesn't do…
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 No.400300

>>400295
My analysis isn't liberal. We can agree cultural attitudes stem from real material things, however you can't always reduce this to economic development. Caleb is naive if he assumes producing more stuff will naturally drive people's prejudices away. Just because said prejudices may have grown out of shitty economic conditions doesn't mean they'll immediately disappear when economic conditions approve.
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 No.400303

>>400240
>Mom and dad happily married working in unionized workplaces where they're building up the socialist nation
nothing wrong with that
>he says culture wars don't mean anything and the "genuine left" should steer clear of anything culture-related
That is good advice, you have to build an inclusive economic base that creates wealth for everybody before you can fix social issues. An inclusive economic system will generate an inclusive cultural sphere.

The Caleb bashing seems to go a little overboard in this thread.
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 No.400308

>>400303
>An inclusive economic system will generate an inclusive cultural sphere.
Your economic space won't be inclusive if you're not addressing the very real issues which queers, Muslims, etc. face that go beyond the realm of economics.

Ask how many queer comrades you know would willingly go and organize workers in "middle America" when there's a very good chance those queer comrades would be victims of homophobia.
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 No.400315

>>400298
Yeah that's why he's a retard.
>>400300
>you can't always reduce this to economic development
And you can't reduce materialism to a scale of development which is exactly what caleb the cuck does and liberal do too.
Obviously caleb is a retard, but the solution to stigmas is in the mode of production not.
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 No.400316

>>400315
>but the solution to stigmas is in the mode of production not.
You do realize many of the cultural stigmas we have now as they pertain to sexuality, religion, and so on PRE-DATE capitalism, right?
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 No.400319

>>400308
>face that go beyond the realm of economics.
But the discrimination doesn't actually go beyond the realm of economics, liberal
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 No.400321

>>400316
Yeah, and you know that some were abolished or created by capitalism?
You know that capitalism has some contradictions that come from pre capitalism?
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 No.400324

>>400319
My analysis isn't liberal.

How many bourgeois Muslims face Islamophobia on the daily?

How many middle-class queers fear for their lives every day?

This isn't due to relations in the factory nor can it be solved by increasing industrial output like Maupin wants you to believe. I would go so far as to say Caleb's understanding of Marxism is fundamentally mechanical, not dialectical, almost in a Feuerbachian sense. He fails to realize we influence the machines just as much as the machines influence us.

>>400321
Of course. My point is, changing the mode of production isn't enough to challenge social stigmas. Racism still flourished in the USSR, for instance (just as a Muslim in the Caucus Mountains).
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 No.400326

>>400324
>My analysis isn't liberal
<How many bourgeois Muslims face Islamophobia on the daily?
I was going to answer you seriously but between this and muh ussr racism you should go fuck yourself.
Like really you are a liberal piece of shit.
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 No.400353

>>400308
>Your economic space won't be inclusive if you're not addressing the very real issues
capitalism has an exclusionary economic system, ( it's not running full employment), that will create reactionary exclusionary culture. Both the dominant liberal and dominant conservative social values are reactionary culture, they only differ about who is to be excluded.

The minimum viable basis for improving anything is creating a economy with full employment, and a level of wealth equality where nobody is desperate. If you do not put this first you are a reactionary.

Your appeal to identity, is in fact just saying don't sacrifice group A, sacrifice group B instead. This isn't just morally reprehensible, it's also not going to work. If you talk about social exclusion and you don't talk about that Neo-liberal policy is actively targeting a 6% unemployment rate, which is a 6% social exclusion rate, you are a fraud. If you are sincere about creating the conditions for social inclusion your top priority is to have full employment with wages that allow a live without precarity.

You will never have a good culture if people are worried about their livelyhood. You have to build the foundation of a house before you can put the roof ontop.
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 No.400375

>>400240
>Jews […] are oppressed

Are you being serious?
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 No.401941

>>400192
>they do not accept the idea that they the working people are merely evil privileged Eurosettlers who deserve to be poorer as retribution for historical and ongoing injustices.
So, what does Maupin plan about doing with the indigenous?

Why should the indigenous accept Bantustans while 99% of their historical sacred territories are illegally occupied and exploited by settlers?
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 No.401970

>>359254
hbomb is an insufferably smug, obnoxiously moralistic, and confidently wrong liberal.
I hated him before I was left-wing and I especially hate him now that I'm much further to the left than he is.
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 No.401971

breadtube is just radlib tho
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 No.401980

>>400326
Pointing out there's more oppressions than class isn't liberal. If you can't see the system in a holistic manner don't even bother calling yourself a leftist.

>>400353
>The minimum viable basis for improving anything is creating a economy with full employment, and a level of wealth equality where nobody is desperate. If you do not put this first you are a reactionary.
The labor movement failed because of racism. Why do you think that was?

>>400375
Why are you denying this? Antisemitism is still very prevalent in the West. Look at France for example. There are parts of the US were even European Jews aren't seen as "white".
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 No.401989

>>400246
fake story
t. i lived in kentucky for 14 years
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 No.402005

>>401989
Why are you so quick to claim it's fake?
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 No.402010

>>402005
There are only fourteen Kentuckians and they're all married cousins
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 No.402011

>>402005
because it didn't happen. if ur bf did get harassed in kentucky it wasn't because they knew he was a jew, it was because they recognized he's gay
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 No.402022

>>400249
Social oppression can also be used to bolster the reserve army of labor by driving people out of the workforce. There's a capitalist dynamic behind it, but the "form" it takes in the superstructure is racism which then reinforces the base. Just a thought.
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 No.402023

>>402022
Correct, but again the solution isn't more industrial output.
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 No.402028

>>401989
I was accosted by some guys yelling anti-Semitic slurs once in Texas and I'm not even Jewish. It was weird. I was just confused.

>>401980
Pretty much. If there's racism, then we can't have socialism, because you have to unite people across racial lines to have socialism. So, the existence of racism is an obstacle and must be crushed. Until it is, I think we'll continue to live in a dystopic capitalist society. If western "leftists" cannot bother to fight racism, then they stand no chance against capital.
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 No.402044

>>402028
Ok then it's safe to say your interaction with those men is proof of people shouting random slurs at random people and proof AGAINST the notion that Jews are singled out in any significant way for abuse in the West.
>>401980
>Antisemitism is still very prevalent in the West. Look at France for example.
No it isn't. Holocaust denial conspiracies are literally a crime in France and the most popular right wing party defends the right of the Jews to be in France. LePen disowned the anti semitic statements of her own father. I say none of this as a defense of France or the Front National, but I say it so that false criticisms of neither are allowed to take root on this board.
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 No.402052

>>402044
>Holocaust denial conspiracies are literally a crime in France and the most popular right wing party defends the right of the Jews to be in France.
NTA, but that isn't the same thing. If anything, Zionists are some of the most antisemitic people alive.
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 No.402059

>>402052
Non sequitur. Greentext where I mentioned Zionism or the state of Israel in the post you replied to.
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 No.402060

>>402044
I think they confused me for being Jewish. I look kinda nerdy. Maybe that's why. But I doubt that Jews are particularly oppressed in the United States overall.

Either way, though, I doubt you're going to find unity with hardcore racists like you see on /pol/ who think blacks are going to eat their children or whatever. That's not just rational. It's like lunatic, Ku Klux Klan ideology. Total waste of time.
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 No.402068

>>402060
/pol/ is full of degenerates that very few decent people would have anything to do with in real life. I have no interest appealing to them or the mentally ill boomers that swallow up the narratives they create. I'm only saying that Jews do not face any special abuse in the united states of america. If you want my opinion on Maupin's criticism of breadtube, I think it's a facile critique but nonetheless it is almost surely true ur avg left wing media figure has a low opinion of christianity. Now having said that Maupin's critique on that ground is facile I will also add that I believe he's coming from the right place. It is foolish to alienate people simply because they are religious. Saying that communists should not actively antagonize religious people is not the same as saying we should appeal to neo nazi teens who socialize primarily online.
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 No.404766

WE NEED AN AUDIOBOOK NARRATED BY MAUPIN HIMSELF
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 No.404784

>>401980
>Pointing out there's more oppressions than class isn't liberal
It is if you don't understand that other kinds of oppresions have their origin in class.
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 No.404787

>>400293
Can someone explain to me how Big Joel is associated with the left in any way? Has he ever said anything even remotely leftist?
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 No.405010

Caleb Maupin is retarded
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 No.405169

>>359201
post of the year

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