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File: 1625391042652.jpg ( 397.42 KB , 2048x1556 , iranian_revolution001.jpg )

 No.354991

Red pill me on the iranian revolution.
How this was any different from other anti communist revolutions around the arab world? It btfo Puppets but at the same time it was radically anticomunist in nature, not any different from Baath shit.
why is it something to support?
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 No.355007

Bump. 230 post for black cock bait and 0 for this
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 No.355011

The Iranian Republic never explicitly wanted to ban Communists.
It came about because the Tudeh party decided to support the M*K who were cringe hyper-sectarians who took money from Saddam Hussein to commit terror bombings against the government and who the people hated. So since they were supporting an actual terror group the COMMUNIST PARTY (Not the concept of being a communist) was banned. And once the Tudeh party's leadership travelled aboard they promptly joined the SHAHIST GOVERNMENT IN EXILE IN THE UK

The Iranian revolution literally took a nation out of post-feudalism (The shah's 'reforms' did jack shit outside of Tehran) in a single generation and improved the lives of proles in Iran immensely compared to most of the middle east.
Obviously the government nowadays is made of vastly different character and is more or less 'Anti-Communist' as to the extent any other country is but writing of the Iranian revolution because "NO YOU HAVE TO LET PEOPLE COMMIT TERROR ATTACKS" Is western-left cringe
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 No.355015

Islamic theocracies couldn't give a shit about Marx or any other western political ideologies. The American/Israel goblin wants to eradicate secular government in the Middle East, while both masturbating ad nauseum about what great secular governments they are. Assad in fact has given shelter to religious minorities. Long ramble short- your better off with some form of secular government in Iraq, Syria and Iran, because that at least leaves the door open to get a better one at some point, possibly socialist if the under 30 generation were put in charge. It'll never happen after the Imams take these countries back to the stone age like they did with Afghanistan.
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 No.355017

>>355011
But There was no better alternative?
There was no way of doing those things without all the mooslim spooky shit?
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 No.355023

>>355011
Why would you people defend that reactionary shithole? They just elected in a President who is responsible for mass murder, rape and torture of 20'000 Communists back in the 80's; and yet here you are taking the bullet for them because muh anti-yankee anti-imperialist (lmao) state.
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 No.355024

>>355017
>But There was no better alternative?
Well yeah obviously the Communist party just taking over outright would have been the better outcome (Though honestly the fact of just how quickly they choose to ally themselves with the MEK and saddam Hussein / CIA makes me sometimes question that)
>There was no way of doing those things without all the mooslim spooky shit?
The Ayatollah had begun popular to begin with because he had basically built a fanbase by repping Economic populism and Liberation-Theology which appealed to the working class in the cities while supporting traditional social-positions that appealed to the rural peasantry.
The Communists view on the Ayatollahs movement was basically that he was a useful idiot who would overthrow the Shah in a 'February revolution' style event with the communists emerging soon after to take the reigns in a October revolution style event. In reality they had severely underestimated the ayatollahs popularity meaning that him and his supporters won a total majority in the first election which went against the Communist partys plan. This led to them chimping out and trying to overthrow the government and getting promptly b8nned and then going overseas and choosing to ally with the Shah against republican imperialism which OBLITERATED any popularity they had left.

>>355023
>They just elected in a President who is responsible for mass murder, rape and torture of 20'000 Communists back in the 80's;
*20'000 MEK terrorists.
MEK Were literally Gonzalo tier drooling morons who blew up school buses and shit, Except unlike Gonzalo they didn't even believe their own bullshit and were literally just being given money and guns by Saddam to commit terror bombings.
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 No.355030

>>355023
MEK is a weird sex cult which doesn't even claim to be communist since before 1979.
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 No.355031

Traditionalist counterrevolution against an increasingly liberal Iran. Conservative revolutionaries like Schmitt and Spengler would have creamed their pants, if they would have been able to witness this
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 No.355034

>>355024
This, MEK were detestable and I don't care if some were communists, it was good that they were merked
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 No.355036

>>355023
>why would you people don't support war against a reactionary shithole?
If there still was a powerful soviet block, able and willing to overthrow Countries and prop up a communist government, this brutal logic might make some kind of sense. But you are just screaming to blow up a country because they elected the wrong politicians. If you take into account how undemocratic bourgeois elections can be, it makes even less sense to throw an entire country into the fire pit because of it.
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 No.355037

.>>355031
no (you)s for you
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 No.355041

>>355037
Why?
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 No.355045

File: 1625395937430.pdf ( 11.66 MB , 67x118 , (Princeton Studies on the ….pdf )

>>354991
>Iran
read the works of Ervand Abrahamian
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 No.355046

Iran is evidently not inclined to communism, but they might be the historically progressive option. After all, the region has a bunch of monarchies and Israel, which actually has about just as many religious restrictions as Iran, so it's not like the standards are the highest. At least Iran has fought the primary contradiction, so out of all the other dipshits nearby they are one of the least bad there is.
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 No.355047

File: 1625396104662.pdf ( 2.39 MB , 232x300 , Abrahamian-Ervand-The-Coup….pdf )

>>355045 (me)
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 No.355054

File: 1625396284834-0.pdf ( 12.7 MB , 232x300 , Ervand Abrahamian - A Hist….pdf )

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File: 1625396284834-2.pdf ( 3.58 MB , 230x300 , abrahamian1980.pdf )

File: 1625396284834-3.pdf ( 2.46 MB , 203x300 , [email protected] )

>>355047 (me)
>>355045 (me)
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 No.355059

>>355054
>>355047
>>355045
Thanks my lad
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 No.355071

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a socialist state that deserves our critical support.
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 No.355074

>>355071
>The Islamic Republic of Iran is a socialist state
[Citation needed]
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 No.355076

>>355071
Rofl since when iran became or was a socialist state? Only two regimes ruled that piece of land: the Pahlavi dynasty and the Islamic Republic. Never socialist state
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 No.355079

>>354991
>How this was any different from other anti communist revolutions around the arab world
It gave birth to a very successful Islamic Republic that is extremely daring to stand up to America. Also its regime worked closely with two even larger and even better socialist states (Russia and China)
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 No.355082

>>355079
So well that soviet sold weapons to saddam
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 No.355089

>>355082
Well at least they have stood up to america today. And has become the beneficiary of China's Belt and Road gigaproject
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 No.355132

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The Islamic Revolution was to Iran (and the rest of the Islamic countries) what the Cultural Revolution was to China. Mao took the approach that the Soviets had abandoned Stalin's policy since his death, turning into a kind of revisionist fake communism (and also trying to use this fake communism to control China). The Islamic Revolution in Iran said that the Arabs had given up the struggle and turned into fakes. They called themselves nationalists but were under U.S. influence and made deals with Israel such as Anwar Al Sadat in 1977.

Iran also went in the direction of nationalizing the oil assets and pushing for industrialization. Now Iran is one of the most industrialized countries in the Middle East even with decades of Western sanctions. You don't have to claim to be a communist to do this.
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 No.355137

>>355089
Fuck you and fuck china
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 No.355140

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Shah doing the virgin walk here

>>355137
Rude!

>>355045
>>355047
>>355054
Based
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 No.355161

>>355140
>Based
You didn't read the books
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 No.355174

>>355137
Just don't say that you're just another CIA paid propagandist
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 No.355213

>>355161
No but it's cool the anon shared them
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 No.355497

>>355074
>>355076
Iran is anti-imperialist, and anti-imperialism is the primary characteristic of socialist states.
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 No.355538

>>355497
lol
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 No.355544

>>355011
>It came about because the Tudeh party decided to support the M*K
I feel like you may be omitting some important context here. Why did Tudeh support the MEK?
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 No.355630

>>355036
I'm not saying I would support an American invasion of Iran; if that ever happens, I'd probably support the Iranians. But that is not the point; geopolitics is not some high school athletics class where you have to pick a side or something; you don't have to support Iran just because they hate America.

Just because I hate Iran doesn't mean I support America, I detest both equally.
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 No.356620

Bump
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 No.356638

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>>354991
Socdem tards got outplayed by a mystic LARPer. They expected a Gandhi expy flying in from exile in hippie France but got rad trad jihad gang.
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 No.356669

Its so hilarious seeing communists defend a theocratic dictatorship that literally killed them enmasse, and whips trade unionists for striking
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 No.361085

>>356669
Zionist
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 No.361162

>>361085
How the fuck is anything he said zionist? Do you even know what the fuck that word means you illiterate child?
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 No.361324

>>361162
bye bye Hasbara baboon
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 No.384623

bump
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 No.384640

>>355046
>Iran is evidently not inclined to communism
What bullshit.
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 No.386111

File: 1626630696563.pdf ( 144.02 KB , 425x300 , Kojin Karatani.pdf )

Read Karatani. Khomeini knew that religion was the only way to empower man's higher sense of self and it would be this higher self that would pave the path towards true communism. Anything else is vulgar materialism. Seethe and cope, etc.
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 No.386118

>>386111
you will never be a real communist
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 No.386128

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>>386118
>“We are told that among the Daghestan peoples the Sharia is of great importance. We have also been informed that the enemies of Soviet power are spreading rumours that it has banned the Sharia. I have been authorized by the Government of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic to state here that these rumours are false. The Government of Russia gives every people the full right to govern itself on the basis of its laws and customs. The Soviet Government considers that the Sharia, as common law, is as fully authorized as that of any other of the peoples inhabiting Russia. If the Daghestan people desire to preserve their laws and customs, they should be preserved”
try again son. if you swing at the king you best not miss
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 No.386138

>>386111
You'll never be Muslim
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 No.386141

>>386128
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hujum
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 No.386156

>>386141
>By the end of the first year, Soviet success was ambiguous at best. Not much had been accomplished in the way of abolishing the veil; in fact, the majority of women who had initially unveiled had since re-veiled.
Sounds like this autistic attack on Islam failed
>They failed in overcoming the cultural hegemony of non-Soviet traditions. Islamic shariat came to overshadow and undermine the power of Soviet laws. The Soviet approach of introducing 'enlightened' ways of thinking backfired and was often misunderstood as cultural insensitivity.
Yup looks like it failed
>There was fierce debate surrounding the idea of making veiling illegal, but it was eventually abandoned. It was believed that Soviet law could not advance without the support of the local populations. However, with the proliferation of murders linked to unveiling, new laws were introduced in 1928 and 1929 that addressed women's personal safety. These laws, deeming attacks on unveiling as "counterrevolutionary" and as "terrorist acts" (meriting the death penalty),[39] were designed to help local authorities defend women from harassment and violence.
Veil wasn't made illegal and Soviet approach was moderated in the 20s
>In the private domestic domain, women's roles changed little, however their roles in the public domain as well as material conditions changed drastically, because of the hujum. The hujum's multifaceted approach to social and cultural reform in the form of women's liberation transformed women in public, breaking seclusion and creating new and active members of society. The concepts of women's abilities were transformed, but little progress was made in challenging gender ideals and roles.[40]
Things mostly stayed the same
>Decades after the hujum was first launched, the paranji was eventually phased out nearly completely, and mature women took to wearing large, loose scarves to cover their heads instead of paranjis. As a result of Soviet initiatives, literacy rates in Uzbekistan in the 1950s reached 70 to 75 percent. Employment for women rose rapidly in the 1930s due to the hujum. Women were forced to work in the fields of the collective farms. By the late 1950s, women outnumbered men in the collective farms. Modernization's effects were clear in Uzbekistan: education was made available for most Uzbek regions, literacy rose, and health care was vastly improved.
Decades later muslims modernized and introduced greater equality between the sexes. Seems like Stalin realized the error of his ways, adopted a more conciliatory strategy, and the more conciliatory strategy yielded better results for women. Once again, nice try, but a miss is still a miss.
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 No.386184

>>386128
The soviet approach was killing off religious beliefs through education. The full text >>386128 quoted here, without source, as you would expect from /pol/, even says this.
"The Soviet Government knows that the worst enemy of the people is ignorance. It is therefore necessary to create the greatest possible number of schools and organs of administration functioning in the local languages.
The Soviet Government hopes in this way to extricate the peoples of Daghestan from the quagmire of ignorance into which they were plunged by the old Russia."
After addressing their common law this is the most diplomatic way of calling them religous fuckwits that need to read a book and grow the fuck up.
This was just another mistake by Stalin, his opportunism gave way to Islam instead of exterminating it along with all religion. Anti-religious campaigns should have intensified.
Stalin was not a king, he was a retard that managed to fuck it up less than most others around him would have. That is setting the bar incredibly low.
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 No.386223

>>386184
Very imaginative reading, as one would expect from a newfriend on /leftypol/ : )
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 No.386282

Islam in the USSR -> >>385967
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 No.386308

>>386223
It's the exact reading an ML would come to. A coping religous retard like you who wouldn't even qualify for party membership will of course disagree and keep coping.
Do yourself a favour, learn how to tie a noose and apply yourself.
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 No.386329

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>>356638
lol so true
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 No.386334

>>386111
>Khomeini knew that religion was the only way to empower man's higher sense of self and it would be this higher self that would pave the path towards true communism.
what gibberish
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 No.386347

>>386329
t. b*rger
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 No.406674

Nevro bump
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 No.406686

>>356669
hilarious to think that the communists who worked with the MEK terrorists deserve the title 'communist'
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 No.406694

>>406686
Terrorism is good
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 No.406697

Why all the butthurt over IRan and Nica recently, did glowie libshitfags invade this place to complain about the third world lack of wokery.
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 No.406698

>>406697
>wokery
>anarcho-feminism flag
Kill yourself

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