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 No.385928

How did the Soviets deal with Islam? Especially in regards to women rights?
How did islamic populace react?
How were they able to make them only keep some minor spooky stuff while effectively ban the most reactionary element?
Did they ban the Hijab and child marring stuff?
Any source?
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 No.385947

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Posting more
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 No.385950

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Last one my favorite
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 No.385967

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Kemper, Michael. "The Soviet Discourse on the Origin and Class Character of Islam, 1923-1933." Die Welt des Islams (2009): 1-48.
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 No.386361

The Basmachi fought against Soviet power into the 1930s.
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 No.386362

Did we really need another thread?
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 No.386387

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Soviet Central Asia was basically Islamic Gommunism
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 No.386915

>>386387
Stop trying to fuse a scientific ideology that has lifted millions out of poverty with a literal death cult that believes that some pedo warlord was always right and we should stone anyone who strays from living like goat herders to death
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 No.386918

also, op is a massive faggot for supporting this sanduyghur cult. sage.
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 No.386928

>>386915
Social sciences aren't really science. Ask any top scientist outside of those fields that understands what they do. The reason being it's not possible to run fully controlled experients where all the variables can be accounted for. Human behaviour is too complex especially when it comes to behaviour of masses and this behaviour influences the economic field which is a social science and communism would be no different.

>>385950
What's up with the shadowy figure on the left?
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 No.386938

>>386928
Most scientists do not understand philosophy of science, they subscribe to hackneyed popperism
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 No.387015

>>386928
>What's up with the shadowy figure on the left
It's a paranja, uzbek veil. These posters all part of the anti islamic campaign
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 No.387023

>>386938
>Most scientists do not understand philosophy of science, they subscribe to hackneyed popperism
Scientist here, please enlighten me.
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 No.387025

>>386928
You don't need "fully controlled" experiments to conduct science or make scientific claims. You do have to keep in mind with sociology that people are people and thus difficult to reduce. The whole reason we have "self" is because we don't want to be reduced to a machine or a natural process, because we can figure out without too much thought what that will mean in the long run.
A lot of the discourse is just to paper over the reality that we live in extremely totalizing societies with overpowered institutions lording over us, in ways that were simply not possible at any other point in history. It has little bearing on whether sociology or psychology or the study of humans generally is valid, and doesn't really ask questions about the methodology at work when we talk about society and people.
Usually, when there's a sociology or psychology experiment with questionable methodology, it is because the experimenters have a clear angle beforehand and they're doing a hack job. For example, the asshole who wrote the Bell Curve just couldn't accept that uyghurs were people, and took for granted the really problematic way in which we speak about intelligence in the first place, since the way we treat intelligence in eugenist society has clear political aims rather than a meaningful description of general intelligence and what it actually does. It is not beyond science to understand this problem, and account for it, but ideologues don't want to understand or care about the problem because they see it as the entire point of their whole society. Anything else to a eugenist is inadmissible, sinful, or simply incomprehensible as an objective.

Also, Popper is human garbage and not even a good philosopher by the miserable standards of that profession.
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 No.387045

>>387025
Does self exist?
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 No.387080

>>387045
We're getting far afield of OP.
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 No.387118

>>386387
>>386918
As an ex-Muslim I can say the fundamental problem with Islam compared to other religions is that the guide for the perfect state already exist in Islam
Muhammad unlike other religious figures had a state which he ruled over with aboustetly authority for a a decade, and for Muslims this was the greatest society to exist in all of Human history, it is thus to duty for Muslims to make their state like that

The only solution as I see it would be ban or discredit the Hadiths, most of the "sources" (likely Abbasid Propaganda) about Muhammad's life and 90% of what Muslims and non-Muslims associate with Islam comes from the Hadiths(saying and doings of Muhammad and his companions) such as the exact method of prayer, the position of women, extended Islamic canon, not making this up how to piss properly and 90% of Shariah laws

and should localize the Islam, stop prayer in Arabic and make it in local languages, Print Quran in local languages, hell since the exact method of Islamic prayer is in described in the Hadiths, make it so that they can pray however they want
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 No.387127

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>>386361
And very successfully. I nornally dislike the various anti-Soviet guerrilla movements that cropped up during the '20s, but I have to give credit where credit is do. Those guys were really impressive from a military POV.
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 No.387913

>>387127
They were little more than bandits in a backwards land with a weak proletariat base.
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 No.388019

>>386918
>>386915
ive seen cia worshippers who are less islamophobic than you literal commies
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 No.388038

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>>388019
>NOOOOOOOO MARX SAID RELIGION BAD
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 No.388118

>>388019
>islamophobic
lmao
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 No.388599

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Bolsheviks burn a burqa on a square in Andijan, Uzbek SSR, on March 8, 1927
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 No.389397

The muslims in the USSR were mainly central Asian and they are not true believers in Islam. They say they are muslim, but they still drink alcohol.
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 No.389422

>>386915
The Islamic world used to be one the biggest purveyors of scientific advancement. Why couldn't some sort of fusion with Marxism happen?
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 No.393256

>>389422
read what I just wrote you uyghur, Islam is literally stuck in the 8th century. Either the islanic charade is dropped or socialism cannot be established in the Middle East
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 No.396161

>>389422
Whatever measures the muslim world made during their golden age to support science could also be made by irreligious institutions. There is not point in taking the risk of involving people who believe in metaphysical concepts with whom they might sooner or later rationalize to attack science. Just like any other baseless claim they can conjure up another baseless reason to attack science. The best example is just looking at some regions of the Middle East today.
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 No.396165

The Soviets alternated between vulgar atheism in the region and promoting Sufism and more universalist schools of Islam depending on the period.

>>396161
You cant legislate religion away. and if that religion can be used to rouse the flame in their hearts towards liberation why not harness it towards a productive end?
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 No.396175

>>385928
Its the reason muslims in central asia and Russia aren't as degenerate and radical as muslims in the middle east. They should've tried to reform the religion more instead of trying to get rid of it completely at that point in time. Though generally it was dealt with good enough.
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 No.396217

>>385928
People really showing their bigoted views in this thread. Really makes me wonder what's the difference between this board and /pol/
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 No.396218

>>396175
>>393256
>>388118
>>385928
Can you guys not use /pol/ tier stereotypes for one sec? You really showed your true colors.
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 No.396221

Why are modern turbo-online ML's, specifically those of stalinoid and antirevisionistkiddie variety so fucking obssesed with larping pro-islam? Literally same type of mental retardation as polyp tradcaths, or worse, trad pravoslavs. Yeah, sure, state atheism isn't that great, but the correct course is enforced secularism, with the end goal of slowly strangulating religion via the cultural changes through modernization.
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 No.396227

>>396221
It's just that we're not stupid enough to lump 1 billion people from disparate cultures and nations in the same category like right wingers.
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 No.396228

>>396217
Difference is at least here you can actually be a /pol/yp and say dumb shit without all the memes and dumb shit you see from the actual /pol/ boards.

The other is we have people that really do hate religion and want to destroy it and enforce state atheism. So any talk of religion makes these emotions flare up and their frustrations with whatever religion.
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 No.396264

>>387023
Sure, but before anyone responds, do you truly believe science can be without ideological bias?
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 No.396265

>>386928
If people can take the theory of evolution at face value, I don't know why they can't consider historical materialism.
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 No.396270

>>396221
>those of stalinoid and antirevisionistkiddie variety so fucking obssesed with larping pro-islam
Don't know what you mean. I'm as pro-Stalin as they come and I don't defend religion.
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 No.396297

>>396165
>if that religion can be used to rouse the flame
can it though? Or do we need to stretch things really far to say it can?
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 No.396320

>>386915
>scientific
>ideology
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 No.396337

>>396165
>You cant legislate religion away.
Are you about to say something very dumb and ahistorical like "you can't suppress religion"?
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 No.396393

>>396175
Islam was imposed on them by Arabs, I don't think they ever took it seriously. Most Central Asian "muslims" drink alcohol.
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 No.400535

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>>396393
after the destruction of the USSR is taken pretty seriously
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 No.400672

>>388019
travel to the ME and get beheaded, please. the left would benefit hugely from getting rid of its spooked reactionary apologist libs.
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 No.400691

>>388019
>the CIA disapproves of religious conservatism ideologically, or they have clashing material interests, therefore the CIA's purpose is to fight islam, therefore supporters of the CIA should support that goal, which is surprising, because communists are supposed to align ideologically or materially with religious conservatism (?), yet they appear to do so less than supporters of the CIA!
no, i can't even piece together what your argument was even supposed to be. take your meds, schizo.
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 No.400693

>>388019
also,
<ignoring the CIA funded the mujahideen in its war against the soviet union
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 No.405463

Any books?
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 No.405593

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