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 No.349853[Last 50 Posts]

The planet continues to warm and create devastating shifts to the ecosystems across the world.

I've been noticing that each year that goes by without a united approach. The seasons of the year get more and more out of tune to the usual range of expectations.

Resources:
GREENPEACE BRIEFING
Donors Trust: The shadow operation that has laundered $146 million in climate-denial funding - https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Global/usa/planet3/PDFs/DonorsTrust.pdf

Anarchist Libraby query on climate change - https://theanarchistlibrary.org/search?query=climate%20change&sort=&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fecology&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fgreen-anarchism&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fgreen&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fenvironment

Europe's climate denial funding - https://corporateeurope.org/en/2010/12/funding-climate-change-denial.

Current Hot Topics:
Enbridge Line 3 pipeline protests

Miami Condo Collaspe could be climate change related: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/29/miami-condo-collapse-questions-climate-change

(Will add more later.)
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 No.349858

Currently streaming Line 3 Protests:

https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash
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 No.349860

Can we have some studies on renewables? Are they sufficient in replacing coal or not?
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 No.349867

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 No.349869

Climate change can only divide the working class on the basis of what part of the energy economy they work for, it's a petit bourgeois and imperialist politics that the proletariat will not tolerate
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 No.349876

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>>349869
>Climate change can only divide the working class on the basis of what part of the energy economy they work for, it's a petit bourgeois and imperialist politics that the proletariat will not tolerate
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 No.349880

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 No.349885

>>349860
https://www.nrel.gov/analysis/re-futures.html

>>349869
I completely disagree and this is a completely bad take.

Eventually most of our labor force will not be able to work because of automation. This is inevitable and very much related. The fact that as we move forward in technology and knowledge is also acknowledgement that different industries will come and go. Those workers who are involved with those industries will also be affected by these changes.

By your definition, if improving our lives and our ecosystem is going to divide the proletariat, then the proletariat must understand now that there is an urgency to take over the MoP.
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 No.349894

Please comrades, blackpill me on how bad the climate situation really is.
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 No.349908

>>349894
like environmentalists quitting their jobs and living in log cabins to cope with earth becoming like venus bad.
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 No.349911

Literally don't give a shit all this is fake and I'll be dead before it becomes reality even if it was true.

This is just doomer porn
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 No.349916

Thoughts on nuclear energy? Most people here seem to be big fans, though does it have any major disadvantages over renewable energy?
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 No.349921

>>349916
Nuclear energy isn't politically viable because no one wants to deal with the waste and having it in their backyard
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 No.349963

>>349911
It's already happening you dumb fucking retard.
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 No.350028

>>349869
this is it. the most retarded take I've seen on this website. congrats anon
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 No.350055

>>349908
source on this?
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 No.350059

>>349911
>>349869
Can mods pls ban climate deniers on sight?
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 No.350066

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>>349894
The feedback loop has already begun. We're in runaway climate change territory now. The bourgeoisie think they can run off too Mars, a planet even more inhospitable and would need at least 50 years of support from earth before becoming independent. It's species wide suicide where we take out billions of other species with us.
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 No.350081

>>350066
>The feedback loop has already begun
citation needed
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 No.350099

>>350081
>It is “feedback loops” like that one that make climate change unpredictable and represent a threat of global warming spiraling out of control.

>“It’s already begun,” Thomas Crowther, professor in the Department of Environmental Systems Science of ETH Zurich, told Yahoo News. “The feedback is in process.”


>Crowther estimates that carbon dioxide and methane emissions from thawing soils are “accelerating climate change about 12 to 15 percent at the moment,” and said past IPCC reports that left out the feedback “were way more optimistic than they should have been.”


https://news.yahoo.com/its-already-begun-feedback-loops-will-make-climate-change-even-worse-scientists-say-090000011.html
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 No.350137

>>350099
>Crowther estimates that carbon dioxide and methane emissions from thawing soils are “accelerating climate change about 12 to 15 percent at the moment,” and said past IPCC reports that left out the feedback “were way more optimistic than they should have been
methane has an atmospheric half life of 9 years. Only one half of methane released in 2012 is still around today. Only a quarter of it released in 2003 is still around.
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 No.350145

>>350137
>Crowther estimates that carbon dioxide AND methane emissions

That's still 9 years warming that releases new methane and carbon dioxide.
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 No.350168

>>349963
The situation won't get unbearably worse during my lifetime. So why should I worry and vote pro-climate action when I probably won't suffer so much?
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 No.350183

>>350168
>The situation won't get unbearably worse during my lifetime
how old are you
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 No.350210

>>349921
I'm sure theres some inhospitable places we can put it.
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 No.350306

>>349921
just abolish local elections
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 No.350316

Is it true that this is the only chance we'll get a revolution in the future?
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 No.350317

>>350168
The 5 hottest years on record have all been in the last 10 years, how is it not going to affect you in your lifetime lmao
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 No.350319

>>350316
Yes, capitalism's failure to deal with climate change (and skyrocketing inequality) is the single best chance for a change that we have
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 No.350326

>>349867
We'll need nuclear to bridge the gap into green energy at least while we refine the technology for renewable power, but nuclear is cleaner and more efficient than a lot of green energy in the long run too. As long as people manage it responsibly it's all good.
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 No.350354

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Anon…the feedback loops have started. Its over
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 No.350357

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>>350354
good, let it end
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 No.350359

It's funny how you guys mistrust the CIA and governments so much but then you'll believe anything because scientist connected to those same groups said so
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 No.350360

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/06/16/earth-heat-imbalance-warming/

Apparently the earth traps twice as much heat as it did in 2005, which to me seems like we're absolutely fucked the minute all the sea ice melts…
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 No.350365

>>350359
And you believe facebook posts and qanon.
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 No.350366

>>350359
You can literally just go look at the data yourself, you have the ability to learn about how climate change works, it's not our fault you're too lazy to do so
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 No.350367

>>350360

If I posted something about china from the washingtonpost or afp you'd say it's CIA lies and bullshit.

I post something about climate change from same source and you go soy face and believe every single line.
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 No.350370

>>350359
>scientist connected to those same groups
Source: My gigantic, cavernous asshole
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 No.350372

>>350370

Lol??? Scientist get their funding from the government on grants and many have literal government positions
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 No.350376

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>>350367
Yeah because there's actually CIA people running ops against China, whereas the government isn't doing shit to tackle climate change and the bourgeois would rather we forget it's still an issue

If climate change isn't real then how do you respond to the fact that it's getting so hot? It's just propaganda I guess?
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 No.350386

I HATE LEFTIST CLIMATE DOOMERS
like bro if you think there is no hope left and the world will without a doubt turn into an oven in which we can't sustain 70% of the earths population just off yourself. If it is easier for you to imagine that the majority of life on the planet will perish instead of global warming acting as a catalyst for revolution why are you still here?
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 No.350392

Bros i thought you said Canuckland was safe from this shit ,where i am supposed to run now ?
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 No.350450

>>350367
You're concerned with picking and choosing who to believe. A sigma male thinks for themselves.
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 No.350452

>>350386
Who are you yelling at, redditors?
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 No.350454

>>350452
not exclusively but yes
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 No.350617

>>350392
No place is safe from this, it's just leafland might be the most habitable. A lot is still up in the air because scientist aren't 100% sure whats going to happen when a bunch of cold freshwater melts into the ocean and fucks up the currents and jet streams. Weather is just going to get more extreme over years

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/weather/2021/02/27/climate-change--not-just-global-warming--but-global--weirding-
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 No.352506

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 No.352513

>>352498
>let's spray water at this fire in the ocean.
genius
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 No.352556

>>352513
It probably isn't water
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 No.352558

>>352513
>>352556
>>352498
>Company workers used nitrogen to control the fire, according to one of the sources.
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 No.352563

>>349860
Yes they are sufficient and technology exists today. The problem is political.

However it should be noted that habits must change. For example less meat eating is obvious, less airplanes, less cars even electric, more sharing in everything, less shitty quality stuff.


I am currently studying in the field. Will post some stuff if I find some time.
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 No.352566

>>352563
Stabilizing population is also the most important factor and although I am optimistic right now it could lead to very despicable acts
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 No.352570

Climate change is literally a myth created by bourgeois fallacious science in order to keep the ruling class in power and to spread their idpol.
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 No.352573

>>352570
That would be nice if elite didnt spread the same shit you say for half a century
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 No.352577

>>352573
Controlled opposition just like the DSA.
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 No.352580

>>352577
Yeah no
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 No.352583

>>352580
Kay fed
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 No.352652

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 No.352710

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlolDdnSHCE
Bad news basically due to committed warming and new discoveries about cloud feedback we are most likely already committed to a warming of +2.3-2.8°C in the long term.
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 No.352866

>>349853
reminder that to 90% of this board climate change is Millenarianism
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 No.353588

Surprising no one, scientists are "shocked" by the heatwaves in the PNW and Canada as shit like this wasn't supposed to happen till the end of the century, much like how Greenland wasn't supposed to melt till the 2070s or how we weren't supposed to lose the arctic till 2100
tldr, the jet stream is starting to collapse leading to heat "bubbles" getting trapped and focused in certain regions, like PNW/Canada/Siberia

>500 dead from heat exposure in British Columbia

>temps in Canada hit 50C/121F
>Oregon and Washington hit 47C
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 No.362179

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>>352710
>in the long term.
Haha who gibs a fug, dat still gibs me like, an entire short term to consoooom :DDDDDDD
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 No.362191

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>>353588
:^)
get used to eating grasshoppers, ants, and goats while wishing for some water!
desert time, here we come
im stoked
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 No.362192

>>350183
>>350317
uygha must be 85 LMAO
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 No.362194

>>350386
Who gives half a fucking shit what some Soviet LARPer fag thinks?
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 No.364794

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v1Yg6XejyE
gaze upon how sordid and corrupt this system is,
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 No.374849

UK floods:

http://archive.today/gY2T8
https://archive.ph/677sO

NA west heat waves and fires:

https://archive.ph/BJyNt
https://archive.ph/B7M7R http://archive.today/eCLhu


The world keeps us on our toes and punishing the vulnerable proletariat.
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 No.374878

Climate change is a joke, cultural marxist propaganda
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 No.374881

I think there could be a mass realization at some point where there is a huge rush to buy land above a certain longitude and in certain areas with access to fresh water etc., and that would mark the point when ecofascism becomes overt and expected
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 No.374908

The earth is not going to become uninhabitable. It is not possible for the earth to turn into Venus. All of the CO2 being burned into the atmosphere was at one point in the atmosphere to begin with, and the earth supported complex life in that time Doomerism accomplishes nothing.

There will be continued emigration from the extreme regions of the planet as they become even less habitable. Some coastal cities will require major overhaul to remain as sea levels rise; Whether this results in seawall projects or embracing it and become canal cities like Venice is yet to be seen.
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 No.376619

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 No.377000

Wait until moon wobbles. Those London floods are going to be petty compared to the damage happening with the rising water levels across the world.

https://archive.ph/MMsPW

NASA predicts a "wobble" in the moon's orbit may lead to record flooding on Earth

>Every coast in the U.S. is facing rapidly increasing high tide floods thanks to a "wobble" in the moon's orbit working in tandem with climate change-fueled rising sea levels.


>A new study from NASA and the University of Hawaii, published recently in the journal Nature Climate Change, warns that upcoming changes in the moon's orbit could lead to record flooding on Earth in the next decade.


I think this is next deadline to improve things or the moon gonna twerk and high tides gonna respond.
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 No.377752

chinook salmon in Cali are gonna be functionally extinct in the wild after this summer, the water is so hot that the entire population of juvenile fish is toast. Only farm raised populations with controlled water temps are likely to survive
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 No.377775

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 No.377800

>>374908
It won't become uninhabitable, it'll just be impossible to grow staple food crops on a whole lot of it using the ordinary corporate factory farming methods.
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 No.377807

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<Overall, the average June global air temperature was +0.85°C above 1951-1980 climate baseline (+1.13°C above the 1880-1920 baseline).
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 No.377842

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2100163118

Permafrost carbon feedbacks threaten global climate goals
<Abstract
>Rapid Arctic warming has intensified northern wildfires and is thawing carbon-rich permafrost. Carbon emissions from permafrost thaw and Arctic wildfires, which are not fully accounted for in global emissions budgets, will greatly reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that humans can emit to remain below 1.5 °C or 2 °C. The Paris Agreement provides ongoing opportunities to increase ambition to reduce society’s greenhouse gas emissions, which will also reduce emissions from thawing permafrost. In December 2020, more than 70 countries announced more ambitious nationally determined contributions as part of their Paris Agreement commitments; however, the carbon budgets that informed these commitments were incomplete, as they do not fully account for Arctic feedbacks. There is an urgent need to incorporate the latest science on carbon emissions from permafrost thaw and northern wildfires into international consideration of how much more aggressively societal emissions must be reduced to address the global climate crisis.
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 No.377979

>>349853
Anyone who talk about climate change without using the words nuclear and China really don't give a shit about the climate and either just like the sould of their voice or want to grab power.

China produce more CO² than all the other developed countries combined.
The carbon footpring of the energy made with photovoltaic panels is worse than the carbon footprint of energy made with gas power plant.
Many wind turbine will produce less energies in their lifetime than what it took to produce it.
Solar and wind energies are unreliable and it is not possible to stock more than 5% of out input in barrages/batteries. This is why Texas and California have blackouts.

Fusion reactors are the solution to the problem. Once we made them work, even China will stop polluting. Meanwhile, uranium and thorium based plants is the only reliable and clean power source.
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 No.377991

>>350376
>Since 1880
This is your problem. The planet is heating since the end of the XVIth century.
Does it have consequences? Yes.
Can we stop it? No. The coal and oil we don't burn will be burnt by third world countries that simply can't afford photovoltaic anyway. The carbon WILL end up in the air.
Can we slow it? No. Not while 75% of the countries don't even try.
Can we handle the changes? Yes. At a cost. We will probably have to move cities and to use GMO crops, but yes.
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 No.377999

>>377842
CO2 is good for the plants. We need more of it to make the world greener. What we need to remove is vapor.
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 No.378206

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>>377999
The Greening of the Earth is Approaching Its Limit
https://phys.org/news/2020-12-greening-earth-approaching-limit.html

<An international study published today in Science concludes that the fertilizing effect of CO2 is decreasing worldwide, and that the reduction has reached 50% progressively since 1982 due basically to two key factors: the availability of water and nutrients.


<"There is no mystery about the formula, plants need CO2, water and nutrients in order to grow. However much the CO2 increases, if the nutrients and water do not increase in parallel, the plants will not be able to take advantage of the increase in this gas", explains Professor Josep Peñuelas. In fact, three years ago Prof. Peñuelas already warned in an article in Nature Ecology and Evolution that the fertilizing effect of CO2 would not last forever, that plants cannot grow indefinitely, because there are other factors that limit them.


<These unprecedented results indicate that the absorption of carbon by vegetation is beginning to become saturated. This has very important climate implications that must be taken into account in possible climate change mitigation strategies and policies at the global level. … If the fertilizing capacity of CO2 decreases, there will be strong consequences on the carbon cycle and therefore on the climate.


<The team based it's conclusions on data obtained from hundreds of forests studied over the last 40 years. "This data show that concentrations of essential nutrients in the leaves, such as nitrogen and phosphorus, have also progressively decreased since 1990," explains researcher Songhan Wang, the first author of the article.


<The team has also found that water availability and temporal changes in water supply play a significant role in this phenomenon. "We have found that plants slow down their growth, not only in times of drought, but also when there are changes in the seasonality of rainfall, which is increasingly happening with climate change," explains researcher Yongguan Zhang.



Source of the paper:
S. Wang el al., "Recent global decline of CO2 fertilization effects on vegetation photosynthesis," Science (2020)
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6522/1295

>Our analyses showed a significant and spatially extensive decline in β, which implies a substantial reduction of the positive effects of increasing atmospheric CO2 on terrestrial carbon uptake.
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 No.378335

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Brace for flooding. A moon 'wobble' is coming, NASA warns
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2021/07/13/moons-wobble-cause-record-number-flood-nasa/7958703002/
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/study-projects-a-surge-in-coastal-flooding-starting-in-2030s
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/13/us/moon-wobble-coastal-flooding-scn-trnd/index.html

Thanks to a "wobble" in the moon's orbit and rising sea levels, every coast in the United States will face rapidly increasing high tides that will start "a decade of dramatic increases in flood numbers" in the 2030s.

The conclusion, which was published in the Nature Climate Change journal by NASA Sea Level Change Science Team from the University of Hawaii, has to do with the moon's orbit, which takes 18.6 years to complete, according to NASA.
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 No.378348

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 No.378358

>>378335
Just sell your house then.
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 No.378930

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>>377979
China has orders of magnitude more people than the west; its high carbon emissions are a consequence of its high population. Per capita, Western countries produce the most carbon, (mostly via meat and airline flights). If everyone lived like the average American, we would need +5 earths in order to provide enough resources.

That being said, this doesn't justify the CCP (Chinese "Communist" Porkies) from destroying the environment. Currently, China is encouraging couples to make more children to stop demographic decline.

In the future, large amounts carbon will be emitted by South Asia (most notably India) and Sub-Sarahan africa (most notably nigeria) as those regions industrialise. Bill Gates is bourg, but he has a good idea about whats happening to the planet and how to solve it. If industrial civilization is going to be saved from Climate Change, the third world (and to a lesser extent the first world) will need to be depopulated. The SCoPEx project is promising but so far is controlled by a few philanthropic billionaires without much oversight from the people that it will affect.
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 No.378943

>>378930
im going to depopulate your anus
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 No.378952

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>>374908
It's not just climate that will affect the future of the human species. The earth is a complicated net of several different systems that support life. Humans have drastically altered nearly all of these. Climate Changes get talked about a lot because it can be used to justify policy incentives. Other human influences on the environment like Phosphorus depletion, and microplastics don't have their place in the modern spectacle because changing them would require changing the way our society operates. The current collapse of industrial society started long ago. What we are seeing now is the visual effects of its realisation.

I've already gone through the five stages of collapse consciousness. I still support going vegan and doing anything that we can to stop or slow the collapse. I remember a quote by Emilio Zapata that goes: "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees". Even if the biosphere and industrial society are breaking down, it is better to do something rather than just sit back and watch.

Useful resources
(https://www.letstalkthis.com/collapse/)
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 No.378979

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>>378943
It is a basic law of nature that humans need to constantly consume resources in order to stay alive. As the human population increases, the amount of resources required to sustain the population increase with it. An increased standard of living in global south nations coupled with lower child mortality are leading to a larger population and greater consumption of resources. First-worlders are also consuming large amounts of mammalian and avian meat. Although the population of the global north is declining, consumption and economic growth increase.

The modern western standard of living was only ever meant to be enjoyed by a select few. Imperialists looted global south nations without ever thinking that they would surpass the west in terms of growth. As the western lifestyle spreads across the globe and populations increase, the negative effects of consumption will increase along with it. Depopulation and a reduction in the lavish lifestyle that we have become accustomed to should be a central goal of any socialist movement. Right now, the capitalists make gestures towards saving the environment but make little meaningful action This is accepted largely thanks to the Spectacle and shortened attention spans.
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 No.378989

>>378979
>The overpopulation which leads to the great migrations presupposes different conditions again. Since in all previous forms of production the development of the forces of production is not the basis of appropriation, but a specific relation to the conditions of production (forms of property) appears as presupposed barrier to the forces of production, and is merely to be reproduced, it follows that the development of population, in which the development of all productive forces is summarized, must even more strongly encounter an external barrier and thus appear as something to be restricted. The conditions of the community [were] consistent only with a specific amount of population.

>On the other side, if the barriers to population posited by the elasticity of the specific form of the conditions of production change in consequence of the latter, if they contract or expand – thus overpopulation among hunting peoples was different from that among the Athenians, in turn different among the latter from that among the Germanic tribes – then so does the absolute rate of population increase, and hence the rate of overpopulation and population. The amount of overpopulation posited on the basis of a specific production is thus just as determinate as the adequate population. Overpopulation and population, taken together, are the population which a specific production basis can create. The extent to which it goes beyond its barrier is given by the barrier itself, or rather by the same base which posits the barrier. Just as necessary labour and surplus labour together [are] the whole of labour on a given base.
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 No.378992

>Malthus’s theory, which incidentally not his invention, but whose fame he appropriated through the clerical fanaticism with which he propounded it – actually only through the weight he placed on it – is significant in two respects: (1) because he gives brutal expression to the brutal viewpoint of capital; (2) because he asserted the fact of overpopulation in all forms of society. Proved it he has not, for there is nothing more uncritical than his motley compilations from historians and travellers’ descriptions. His conception is altogether false and childish (1) because he regards overpopulation as being of the same kind in all the different historic phases of economic development; does not understand their specific difference, and hence stupidly reduces these very complicated and varying relations to a single relation, two equations, in which the natural reproduction of humanity appears on the one side, and the natural reproduction of edible plants (or means of subsistence) on the other, as two natural series, the former geometric and the latter arithmetic in progression. In this way he transforms the historically distinct relations into an abstract numerical relation, which he has fished purely out of thin air, and which rests neither on natural nor on historical laws. There is allegedly a natural difference between the reproduction of mankind and e.g. grain. This baboon thereby implies that the increase of humanity is a purely natural process, which requires external restraints, checks, to prevent it from proceeding in geometrical progression. This geometrical reproduction is the natural reproduction process of mankind. He would find in history that population proceeds in very different relations, and that overpopulation is likewise a historically determined relation, in no way determined by abstract numbers or by the absolute limit of the productivity of the necessaries of life, but by limits posited rather by specific conditions of production. As well as restricted numerically. How small do the numbers which meant overpopulation for the Athenians appear to us!

>Secondly, restricted according to character. An overpopulation of free Athenians who become transformed into colonists is significantly different from an overpopulation of workers who become transformed into workhouse inmates. Similarly the begging overpopulation which consumes the surplus produce of a monastery is different from that which forms in a factory. It is Malthus who abstracts from these specific historic laws of the movement of population, which are indeed the history of the nature of humanity, the natural laws, but natural laws of humanity only at a specific historic development, with a development of the forces of production determined by humanity’s own process of history. Malthusian man, abstracted from historically determined man, exists only in his brain; hence also the geometric method of reproduction corresponding to this natural Malthusian man. Real history thus appears to him in such a way that the reproduction of his natural humanity is not an abstraction from the historic process of real reproduction, but just the contrary, that real reproduction is an application of the Malthusian theory. Hence the inherent conditions of population as well as of overpopulation at every stage of history appear to him as a series of external checks which have prevented the population from developing in the Malthusian form. The conditions in which mankind historically produces and reproduces itself appear as barriers to the reproduction of the Malthusian natural man, who is a Malthusian creature. On the other hand, the production of the necessaries of life – as it is checked, determined by human action – appears as a check which it posits to itself. The ferns would cover the entire earth. Their reproduction would stop only where space for them ceased. They would obey no arithmetic proportion. It is hard to say where Malthus has discovered that the reproduction of voluntary natural products would stop for intrinsic reasons, without external checks. He transforms the immanent, historically changing limits of the human reproduction process into outer barriers; and the outer barriers to natural reproduction into immanent limits or natural laws of reproduction.
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 No.378995

>(2) He stupidly relates a specific quantity of people to a specific quantity of necessaries. [31] Ricardo immediately and correctly confronted him with the fact that the quantity of grain available is completely irrelevant to the worker if he has no employment; that it is therefore the means of employment and not of subsistence which put him into the category of surplus population. [32] But this should be conceived more generally, and relates to the social mediation as such, through which the individual gains access to the means of his reproduction and creates them; hence it relates to the conditions of production and his relation to them. There was no barrier to the reproduction of the Athenian slave other than the producible necessaries. And we never hear that there were surplus slaves in antiquity. The call for them increased, rather. There was, however, a surplus population of non-workers (in the immediate sense), who were not too many in relation to the necessaries available, but who had lost the conditions under which they could appropriate them. The invention of surplus labourers, i.e. of propertyless people who work, belongs to the period of capital. The beggars who fastened themselves to the monasteries and helped them eat up their surplus product are in the same class as the feudal retainers, and this shows that the surplus produce could not be eaten up by the small number of its owners. It is only another form of the retainers of old, or of the menial servants of today. The overpopulation e.g. among hunting peoples, which shows itself in the warfare between the tribes, proves not that the earth could not support their small numbers, but rather that the condition of their reproduction required a great amount of territory for few people. Never a relation to a non-existent absolute mass of means of subsistence, but rather relation to the conditions of reproduction, of the production of these means, including likewise the conditions of reproduction of human beings, of the total population, of relative surplus population. This surplus purely relative: in no way related to the means of subsistence as such, but rather to the mode of producing them. Hence also only a surplus at this state of development.

>(3) What is not actually proper to Malthus at all, the introduction of the theory of rent – at bottom only a formula for saying that in the stage of industry familiar to Ricardo etc., agriculture remained behind industry, which incidentally inherent in bourgeois production although in varying relations – does not belong here.>
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 No.378997

>>378952
>it is better to do something rather than just sit back and watch.
There's nothing worthwhile to do, retard. And I'm not found of wasting my time on futile endeavors.
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 No.379002

>>378997
>And I'm not found of wasting my time on futile endeavors
You post on /leftypol/ you friggin liar.
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 No.379048

>>378997
life is a futile endeavor…
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 No.379239

>>379001
>this is due to the fact that melting Sea Ice dose not rise the Sea level due to its volume already being in the ocean as proven by the Melting Ice in a cup of water not causing it to overflow
isn't this false, since the ice that will cause the substantial rise in sea level isn't in the sea but on the ground, like glaciers on greenland and iceland and shit like that
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 No.379544

>>379048
Meaningless drivel
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 No.379546

>>379239
And Antarctica, yes
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 No.379793

>>378930
>It's fine that China burn millions of tons of coal and don't even filtrate the smoke because they have 800 millions starving proles in the back country
Explain that one please.
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 No.379846

File: 1626369997049.png ( 4.46 MB , 1080x1080 , readdesert.png )

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 No.380049

>>377979
>>379793
Shut the fuck up about China. Everyone in the west was shitting up the atmosphere before China fully industrialized. They are responsible for their waste but don't pretend that the US and Europe didn't have a big head start in dumping CO2 into the sky.

I'm pretty sure we all want to go nuclear. Just gotta despook people from Chernobyl.

>>378989
>>378992
We don't have an overpopulation problem. We have a hoarding problem. We just haven't convinced ourselves to kill off the hoarders. We already have the means to support everyone in the world 3 fold minimum. We as humans haven't figured out how to distribute it properly yet.
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 No.380100

>>380049
>We don't have an overpopulation problem. We have a hoarding problem.
Just like those posts said.
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 No.380170

>>380049
Europe and the US used that CO2 to invent new tools and make progress. It's now available to everyone. Now, if we want to reduce "our" CO2 emission, we either force China to do it too or it won't work.
If someone want you, but not Chang to fight climate change, then that guy don't give a single shit about climate change. That's a fact.
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 No.380182

>>380170
> Now, if we want to reduce "our" CO2 emission, we either force China to do it too or it won't work.
China is using that C02 to invent new tools and make progress while Europe and the US are filling the world with shit.
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 No.380325

>>380049
>3 fold minimum
No, we don't. Not with any standard of living worth having.
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 No.380401

File: 1626385702324.pdf ( 22.22 KB , 67x118 , 1626384880150.pdf )

>>380325
We produce enough yearly to feed 10 billion and if we pushed food production to the maximum? We can produce 10-20 times the production we have now. However, if we do it correctly? The biophysical limit is still 4 times to 9 times the current yields depending on strategies used. That unsustainable stuff only kicks in for Asia but we can export all their food needs anyway and this is literally only if we use environmental agriculture methods. Once we start mixing in ecotechnology agriculture methods? Asia is able to feed itself.

I also attached the pdf.

Source: https://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/16325/1/br18.pdf

>>380170
Shit tier excuses. China is ahead of most countries in innovation now. So by your logic? They are justified in their pollution. Keep that same energy.

>>380182
Thank you.
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 No.380426

>>380401
>We produce enough yearly to feed 10 billion and if we pushed food production to the maximum?
Yeah, because feeding people is all that "supporting people" entails, right, retard?
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 No.380427

>>380401
>China is ahead of most countries in innovation now
Cheap knock offs of western products is not "innovation" faggot
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 No.380504

>>380427
I remember listening to a talk by Nima Arkhani Hamed
(leading physicist) where he off handedly mentions that the majority of science isn't even done in the USA anymore, a lot of very boundary pushing research is done in China because they are actually willing to invest in it whereas under Teflon Don they cut a shit ton of funding to scientific research
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 No.380536

>>349853
Bill Gates made it clear that people are the problem. They must remove the people. This immigration into western societies is not helping their carbon footprint. As the masses move to America the impacts will occur at a greater speed. We need everyone to stay where they are and stop breeding entirely
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 No.380570

Climate change is going to be the world war of our life time. communist groups should be focussing their efforts on producing climate defense councils. these councils would be focussed on reclaiming marginal abandoned land in cities for the purposes of food production and use these as a nexus for community solidarity building.
the climate defense council would raise money to give those who work on the farm (or who otherwise help the council work) basic arms training at a local gun range.
the climate defense council would produce plans for the defense of the city from climate change and work with other climate defense councils to form regional plans of defense against both the efffects of climate and against local capitalists who would exacerbate it and harm the local proletariat.

climate change is so heavily on so many people's mind that if organising was based around protecting us against it and using the rhetoric of national defense to justify the fight against capitalists. i think it would be much more effective at producing pro-communist oytcomes than saying you were just trying to produce communism
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 No.380605

>>380570
this will be horrible. I'm ready for it
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 No.381145

>>378335
how high will the tides be?
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 No.381167

>>380536
Pick any single corporation and you'll find on any given day the waste they generate is many more times that of what millions of people generate in a year.

Or hell, just pick a store like Kohls. Trucks full of shitty clothing, shipped all the way from Vietnam to wherever the fuck in the us, each item individually wrapped in plastic and paper, sometimes each one getting their own cardboard box, all of which just gets stripped off and thrown away in order to hang it on a rack. Mountains of plastic and paper waste, on top of obscene carbon costs like petrol, oil, tires, each and every fucking day, and multiplied by fifty or even a hundred times during the holidays.

The waste people make is minuscule and incidental. Gates knows that though, as sure as he knows that corporations like his are the real culprits for pollution.

I just hope I live to see the man hanged and left for birds to pick over.
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 No.381612

>>380426
Before you start calling me retard. Understand that we already have enough homes built already. We have enough water sources as well. Even the PDF stated that a global irrigation system or even intercontinental would provide enough water to support us. These stupid water shortages in the west coast of North America should be getting counterbalanced by the flooding happening in Europe.

Fuck off with your little stupid attempts to pick off every little irrelevant point. You know damn well that if we have food, water, shelter, healthcare and education readily available for the world. We'd be already trying to master harnessing the sun for better efficiency on our colony orbiting fucking Mercury.

Related news:
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 No.381620

File: 1626451155473.jpg ( 591.17 KB , 1998x1332 , 1626451150675.jpg )

https://archive.ph/DpGoo

Flood Deaths Are Rising In Germany And Officials Blame Climate Change

>The worst flooding in decades to affect Germany and parts of Belgium has killed at least 120 people as search and rescue efforts for hundreds of missing continue, officials said.


>Late Thursday, authorities said about 1,300 people were still unaccounted for in Germany, but cautioned that disrupted roads and telephone service could account for the high figure.


>Meanwhile, German officials were quick to say that a warming climate is at least partially to blame for the catastrophic flooding.


>In response to news footage showing the massive destruction and desperate families perched on rooftops waiting to be rescued on Friday, Environment Minister Svenja Schulze said that "Climate Change has arrived in Germany."


>German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier expressed shock over the flooding and said that action needed to be taken to prevent future such catastrophes.


>"Only if we take up the fight against climate change decisively, we will be able to prevent we will be able to keep extreme weather conditions such as those we are experiencing," Steinmeier in an address in Berlin on Friday.


>Chancellor Angela Merkel, who is in Washington this week, said "heavy rain and flooding doesn't quite capture what has happened" in Germany.


You can read the rest on the article.

Here's a cat observing the damage.
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 No.381626

>>381620
>waa its climate changes fault

maybe try build flood defenses? theres a thought
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 No.381630

>>381626
You probably don't understand how much rain Europe has received this week. And yes, they definitely should have irrigation style of systems but that requires porky to give up some of their land and benefits too many people. It's not profitable enough to do that. It's easier to have weather cycle destroy prole homes and then buy the property back cheap and build rentals.
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 No.381646

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>>380570
If you live in the imperial core, learn off-grid communication with your org Try to gather resources to survive a temporary grid shutoff. The North American power grid is incredibly vulnerable. The grid could easily be destroyed to both internal and external attacks, and all it would only take 3-4 dedicated sniper teams to shutoff all North American power. Create "Peoples Gardens" and stock up on water purifiers, as well as create meetup plans in case of an emergency. Have some knowledge of weaponry in case of looters. The Porkies that run the USA have defunded basically every service that isn't market related. The imperial government only spends money on the porkies (bank bailouts) or means to protect the economy (Military and Police). Early this year, Texas experienced a power outage (due to climate change) that could have resulted in tremendous loss of life.

>In 2009, The Wall Street Journal reported that spies from China and Russia, as well as from other countries, "penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system." According to U.S. officials, the spies did not seek to damage the power grid; however they might be able to do so during a war or crisis. Most of the intrusions were detected by American intelligence agencies.[7]


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_power_transmission_grid#Attacks_by_foreign_countries)

>On April 16, 2013, an attack was carried out on Pacific Gas and Electric Company's Metcalf Transmission Substation in Coyote, California, near the border of San Jose. The attack, in which gunmen fired on 17 electrical transformers, resulted in more than $15 million worth of equipment damage, but it had little impact on the station's electrical power supply.[1][2][3]


>Henry Waxman, a ranking member of the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce, stated that the attack was "an unprecedented and sophisticated attack on an electric grid substation with military-style weapons. Communications were disrupted. The attack inflicted substantial damage. It took weeks to replace the damaged parts. Under slightly different conditions, there could have been serious power outages or worse."[8]


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack)

>[CIA Director] Woolsey told a House committee this summer that if the US received an EMP attack, “two-thirds of the US population would likely perish from starvation, disease, and societal breakdown” and that “other experts estimate the likely loss to be closer to 90 percent.”


(https://www.offthegridnews.com/grid-threats/former-cia-director-warns-two-thirds-of-us-population-would-die-from-emp-attack/)

>Once physical infrastructure takes such severe damage, it can take months to repair and would demand a slow process to return power sources back to the grid. “It has to balance constantly,” Austin-based energy expert Bernadette Johnson told the Tribune. “Once a grid goes down, it’s hard to bring it back online. If you bring on too many customers, then you have another outage.”


(https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/officials-say-texas-was-minutes-from-monthslong-blackout.html)
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 No.384584

>>381646
What if I live in a shitty third world country? When is it okay to kill myself?
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 No.385599

>>381646
the US grids are more in danger due to mismanagement of trees than russian spies
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 No.388344

Climate apocalypse is bullshit.
The reality is that climate change is invigorating for capitalism, it excuses a whole new wave of creative destruction and re-accumulation.
The entire global economy has to be rebuilt around zero carbon emissions, countless cities destroyed and rebuilt by 'climate wars' and 'climate migration', the atrophying workforce of the northern states replenished by equatorial refugees.

During the last century when capitalism came to crisis, there were bloody wars to enable capitalism to bomb and rebuild scores of infrastructure, to cull an excess working population and trim down the petit bourgeoisie.
This was excused in the ruling ideology as a result of bad ideologies, but the material reality was of a crisis of overproduction.
Now as capital comes into a long crisis again, the new excuse for the butchery and famine, for the new concessions from workers to build a new capitalist economy, will be climate disaster.
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 No.388367

>>388344
100% Fax. Was talking to a turbo pmc the other day and it was the finest level of climate ideology I've seen in a single person so far. We are in the stages of repentance for our climate sins, ideologically priming us for even sharper decreases in living standards while the bourgeoisie thrive.
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 No.388373

Bros how do we fight climate change? Like in the immediate, I know I know we need a planned economy and so on, but right now what we do, strikes in polluting industries? They all pay a lot usually even for prole jobs. What can we do?
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 No.388382

>>388344
Your point is made nonsensical given the fact that the profit rate did not bounce back to pre WW1 levels after WW2 and it continued to decline.
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 No.388396

>>388344
The apocalypse part us bullshit. Climate change will be the new theater of human activity. Civilization will retreat in some places and gain ground on anothers. Read Desert.
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 No.388401

Not enough people care about climate change, and the worst consequences are too far away for leadership to take it seriously. Mediocre and useless compromises are used instead which only incentive green energy scams which don't have a major impact on the climate.

And finally, it's too late. All we can do is minimize the damage. Most nations in the world are run by elites who be able to take care of themselves when the time comes. No one cares about the brown masses, they can all die as far as the elites and middle class sectors are concerned.
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 No.388419

>>388396
>Read Desert
<Read AnPrim delusions
I don't think so
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 No.388428

>>388382
The rate of profit in the US fell below zero during the great depression.
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 No.388580

>>388419
Yeah, the author is extremely anprim and anti-civ but the book is still interesting.
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 No.388624

>>388428
No, it didn't
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 No.388720

>>349921
I will literally live on an island in the middle of a fucking nuclear waste dump pool to show people that whining about waste is stupid.
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 No.388773

>>388624
Yes, it did, briefly.
Rate of profit is an average among businesses. If more small businesses lose profit than major businesses gain profit during a period, the RoP can drop negative, briefly.
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 No.388782

>>388373
Accept that climate change will intensify class struggle and hold onto our butts
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 No.389031

>>388773
That was literally my point. It was a statistical glitch, not an actual event, part of a larger trend.
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 No.389058

I heard on the radio that america is burning, is this an accurate statement?
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 No.389066

>>389058
May I ask what radio station you are listening to?
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 No.389071

>>389066
wouldn't know b
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 No.389809

>>388419
That book glows. All doomsayers, radikal individualist or nihilist "anarchists" glow. The cells of fire or whatever in Greece also reeks of American imagination's filth. The crazy jackboot fuckers actually want James Axler's Deathlands wherever the weird genetic surveillance authority AI cant track or subdue
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 No.389831

>>389031
No, it was a result of capitalist crisis.
The only thing that got US capital out of this long slump was the massive lending and infrastructure investment of armament for war.

You see similar things now, where massive infrastructure projects, paid for by lending around the world, are justified by the spectre of climate crisis.
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 No.389850

File: 1626782698466.mp4 ( 1.25 MB , 576x792 , S6kH82MkhE7Ct_la.mp4 )

to be honest this is more or less where we're at.
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 No.389853

>>389850
Where does this come from?
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 No.389856

>>389853
west coast wildfires last year
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 No.389905

>>389850
If I die in a climate disaster it better be something at least cool like this. If I die due to a flood or some shit I'm going to be mad.
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 No.389912

>>388344
Captial was in full denial about climate change in decades, their transition to green shit won't be in time or productive.
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 No.389923

>>389853
hell, obviously
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 No.389932

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 No.390131

>>388419
>>388580
Desert is not anprim my retarded frens
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 No.390453

>>381646
>Make a lot of solar panels and wind turbines
>Have no plans for when there is no wind and sun
>Outages every year
We need more solar and wind turbines. Please ignore that China, Mongolia and Germany are burning all the coal.
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 No.390457

>>390453
Have you never heard of Thorium nuclear power plants?

Seriously it’s such a obvious solution to the energy problem.
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 No.390459

>>381630
>Let investors build homes in floodable land to make more money
>cut the budget of the infrastructure made to prevent flood
>Ignore all alarms about an imminent flooding
<It's global warming fault.
Good old scapegoat. It's like the forest fire in countries that have cut the budget of forest fire prevention.
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 No.390462

>>390457
No. Fusion reactors are. Thorium reactors are good to fuel 3rd generation nuclear power plants for the next 200 years and we can produce 75% of the energy humanity need with both of them and after that, the fusion reactors will be ready.
But that would solve the problem.
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 No.390468

>>390462
Yeah that’s sort of what I meant, that it would be a more immediate short-term solution we can do for now until nuclear fusion gets off the ground.
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 No.390474

>>390453
Isn't this image a bit of a meme (And hasn't China been switching over towards "Clean" energy anyways)
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 No.390482

>>390474
It's just an outright fabrication. The windmills in Texas were fine, our natural gas pipelines froze and the frozen roads meant the workers needed to constantly maintain them couldn't get there.
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 No.390484

>>390482
KEK. It seems like all these "Dirty" energy fags just do this shit in order to piss off the libs and to have their image as a bunch of rough and "real" men (Depsite them barely even being more physically fit than those libcucks)
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 No.390487

>>390468
So, all the greens and enviromentalists are FOR nuclear energy and ot against, right? They do want to stop climate change, right? They are not just tools of the powerful to reduce our liberties and to justify new taxes, right?

>>390474
Which one? Everyone know that frau Merkel have to burn trillions of tons of coal because she decided to close all the nuclear power plants without any reason. They said they were going to go full wind and sun and butterfly and it turned to be a lie.

We also saw nice pictures of Texans discovering snow and being completely fucked by the green new deal. Sure, one pipeline froze and a nuclear power plant was shut down for maintenance but it was marginal. Being dependent of the weather caused this crisis.

As for China, their objective is to sell us more solar panels and wind turbines. The energy they use to mae them still come from coal and that mean the carbon emission of solar panels is higher than gas power plants.
I guess, by going green they mean they bought some EPR and AP1000 to steal the technology.
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 No.390489

>>390462
Fusion reactors are a completely unnecessary meme. Thorium can be good to fuel molten salt reactors for a few decades while we switch to lunar solar power. We don't need fusion if we go back to the moon.
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 No.390490

>>390487
Are you even a communist?
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 No.390494

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>>390487
>The energy they use to mae them still come from coal and that mean the carbon emission of solar panels is higher than gas power plants.
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 No.390496

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>>390489
1: just grow alguas and make them rot to get methane
2: why on the moon and not in orbit? The thousants of m/s needed isn't justified.

>>390484
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 No.390501

>>390496
>2: why on the moon and not in orbit? The thousants of m/s needed isn't justified.
Because massive amounts of propellant are needed to constantly maintain the orbits of massive amounts of solar satellites. Whereas the moon is already in orbit and you can construct massive amounts of panels entirely from lunar materials. It turns out the thousands of m/sec to reach the moon are totally justified, so energetically favorable that it completely blows out other renewable energy sources.
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 No.390506

>>390484
It frustrating that we cant have clean energy because it's "gay" or some shit. People are being tricked out of energy independence by the lowest common dominator of propaganda. The problem Renewables have is that the U.S hasn't invested in any type of grid battery's and is running off of a barely 20th century power grid.
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 No.390509

>>390501
>Because massive amounts of propellant are needed to constantly maintain the orbits
Go play Kerbal. The moon have been orbiting our planets for millions of years, the solar panels will be safe. At the very least, make them orbit the moos so they are in the dark only 1% of the time and not 50%.
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 No.390514

>>390506
Who said that solar is gay? We can't have it because it's expensive, it's unreliable and photovoltaic panels are made of materials that are not renewable.
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 No.390517

>>390509
In fact it's very difficult to make things orbit the moon stably because of its gravitational anomalies. There are peaks of perpetual light on the moon as well. The gigantic amount of rocket fuel to move the required amount of solar panel mass to actually replace fossil fuel infrastructure into Earth orbit and keep it there may not be worth the cost. But making panels out of the moon itself and beaming the energy back is hugely favorable.
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 No.390518

>>390453
lol I wish there was snow like that in germany, unsurprisingly, facebook posts arent good sources
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 No.390521

>>390518
It never snows in Germany?
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 No.390524

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>>390514
All minerals are renewable they just need to be recycled. Renewable are already cheaper than fossil fuels even without subsidies.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/renewable-energy-is-now-the-cheapest-option-even-without-subsidies/?sh=7ca5d65a5a6b
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 No.390537

>>390524
>Renewable are already cheaper than fossil fuels even without subsidies.
That's why third world countries that simply go cheap because they have no other choice are going full solar.
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 No.390950

>>389809
>everyone that says something I don't like or disagree with is a fed
Grow up, faggot
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 No.390951

>>389809
Take your meds, schizo
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 No.390953

>>390131
Yes it is.
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 No.390954

>>390462
Fusion reactors are a pipe dream
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 No.390958

>>390459
>the increased severity in storms and hot streaks is the fault of lack of infrastructure
Kill yourself, faggot.
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 No.390962

>>390954
Mechanical confinement fusion is probably going to be the future by being significantly simpler in important ways.
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 No.390968

>>390962
NTA but we can't plan climate change mitigation/reversal using tech that doesn't exist yet
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 No.390971

>>390457
>thorium shill
>no mention of the protactinium problem
every time
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 No.390998

>>390971
You mean the "problem" that protactonium can be turned into weapons grade uranium that can be used in nuclear reactors? Because that sounds like a feature to me, not an issue
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 No.391071

>>390487
fuck off retard
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 No.391072

Lol
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 No.391088

>>390968
It already does exist though?
It's been under development for a few years and is much more promising than inertial/magnetic confinement
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 No.391089

>>390517
>Beaming the energy back
Isn't this just kicking the can down the road? Like what happens to the energy beam if it's cloudy lol
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 No.391094

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>>391089
>til clouds obscure microwaves
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 No.391100

>>390971
Better than the plutonium problem.
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 No.391105

>>391089
>>391094
They actually don't. That's the point of using microwaves.
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 No.391126

>>389809
this sounds like the critique of someone who hasnt even read it
it's not all doom and do-nothing
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 No.392033

>>391126
>>390950
>>390951
No, glow harder or go protect some water because you need a bath as you're reeking of broken will, submissive mentality and doomsday cult brainwashing. Yes resources are being threatened but Desert was just memed to demoralize, isolate and distract esp young anarchists from the natural popularity of AÖ and the real organized power his ideas present in praxis.
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 No.392085

>>392033
Take your meds, schizo
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 No.392239

>>391094
>>391105
The atmosphere isn't homogeneous (no homo) and so waves no matter their frequency don't travel in a straight line. (still no homo)
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 No.392251

>>392085
>sChIzOo

Is this even about having an idea to you? Because when you start and end your reaction to all this with 'that idea is illness' you're are thoughtlessly reacting just as an emotionally, cognitively flawed type would, the same type who ends up creating a financially and mentally indentured dependent of the tech, pharma, defense, lifestyle and other companies…which most hinder the necessarily collective work of actually halting and reversing the effects of climate change.
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 No.392952

>>392033
> AÖ
Who the fuck is AO?
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 No.392954

>>392251
Take yoiur meds, schizo
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 No.393867

>>392952
Abdullah Öcalan
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 No.394093

>>393867
>Abdullah Ocalan
>Natural popularity
Lmfao. Only kurds give a shit about him.
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 No.394198

>>388367
You’re genuinely the worst poster on this board, you care more about “owning the soyboy Redditor PMCs” than actually listening to the facts.

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