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 No.117785[Last 50 Posts]

Gender abolitionists claim that gender itself is a social construct. This is true, gender is a social construct - it is the roles you play in society based on your behavior, your hormone levels, your dress, your appearance.
HOWEVER, gender is not yet capable of being abolished.
Why?
Because nonbinary individuals and non-dysphoric transitioners are not yet valid.
As it is in the western world, no insurance company is going to be willing to cover your appearance changes without good reason. Imagine if you walked into your doctor's office one day and said, "i would like to start feminizing hormone therapy and get cosmetic surgery performed in order to more closely match my ideal appearance, and no i'm not dysphoric, i don't want to commit suicide due to my current appearance, and i don't believe in gender norms but i would appreciate it if you helped me look pretty in a dress."
Does that sound absurd to you? Only transgender, dysphoric individuals are properly cared for in the medical system. This is indisputable.
No, gender abolition without transition will not make anyone feel better. If a 40 year old man with a beard throws on a dress and demands you treat him like you would treat anybody else, you know as well as i do that you wouldn't. You'd bully them along with everyone else until they killed themselves.
Until gender abolitionism becomes materially feasible, i will be transgender, because i like my hormone pills.
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 No.117786

>>117785
ok shay just do what you thing is right i will support you
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 No.117787

This discussion is ultimately always pointless and I guarantee that it will devolve into a circus so let me make some things clear before it continues any further:
1. Some people respond positively to sex reassignment surgery whereas others don't. In the future this likely shouldn't be an issue so long as people are able to seamlessly alter their bodies as they wish. As for now, how to distinguish who sex reassignment helps from those it harms is a problem for psychologists to resolve, not us.
2. Transgenderism and gender politics in general isn't inherently revolutionary and can be just as reactionary as it's opposition.
3. If you want to be friends with a trans person you should probably respect their pronouns. Even if you disagree with it, you should already understand how everyone has quirks and hangups that you have to adapt to.
4. There should either be a single washroom for any sex to use or a third sex-neutral washroom.
5. Trans people are human beings and are thus capable of being horrible people, don't dehumanize them by denying them such. But try not to become an asshole in response and alienate the trans people who are wonderful.
6. The vast majority of people don't give a fuck about any of this shit and are either indifferent, accepting or suspicious of it. Trans people make up a tiny percentage of the population and it's safe to say that most of them are otherwise normal people. The crazies are overrepresented by Twitter retardation and obsessive /pol/acks.
7. Trans issues are extremely overblown and incredibly degenerate in modern discourse, and like most cultural issues are used as little more than a political tool by cynical elites on both sides. By obsessing over it instead of trying to go beyond it, you are playing into their hands. Don't allow yourself to fetishize or antagonise trans people, that's exactly what they want you to do.
8. Our primary goal as socialists and communists ought to be overcoming capitalism, not changing culture; we aren't hippies. Focusing on trans issues is almost absolutely just bikeshedding (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding).
9. There is no truth to "feeling like a woman" beyond how a woman is subjectively defined by yourself and those you relate to.
10. Gender only materially exists insofar as the sexes can be assigned certain roles for their physiological ability in relationship to the needs of society. A man is usually stronger than a woman so a man hunts and does difficult labour, but most people don't hunt anymore and difficult labour is becoming more obsolete. A woman has children and is vulnerable, but that vulnerability becomes less severe as daily life becomes safer. The materially origins of gender will be mostly abolished when the physiological differences between men and women are overcome, and from there it's just a problem of ideology.
One point of clarification for 10: the reason why I use "gender" instead of just "sex roles" with regards to the material origins of gender is that such roles are intentionally fluid despite being otherwise rigid. The reason why is simply that if lots of men in a tribe go missing or are killed off, the remaining women have to take up their roles. There is plenty of evidence for this and vice-versa throughout human history, and I must repeat once again that such roles are slowly becoming subverted as socially necessary physiological differences are rendered more and more obsolete by technological advancement.

Also FUCK YOU SHAYTAN AND THE OTHER RETARDED OPS for continuing to make these stupid fucking threads. Make a single containment thread and stop making /b/ even worse than it already is, it's becoming 4chan lite at this point and I hate it.
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 No.117788

Gender is made up bullshit. You cannot change sex like a slug or worm.
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 No.117790

>>117788
Stop conflating sex with gender, stop denying the material origins of gender. For fucks sake.
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 No.117793

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There is nothing to demolish. Except that boypussy
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 No.117795

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Based Shay btfo'ing the retards.
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 No.117796

>>117793
>red spooks
one job
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 No.117803

Of course its possible. They almost did it in the USSR before the right wing reaction. One remanant of that movement is calling each other comrade and not any gendered honorifics

How you choose to look is separate from all of that. But theres nothing to transition to once you realize gender isn't a real thing anymore than race is.
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 No.117806

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Based post Shay. I've never understood the arguement that "muh troons are invalid because gender is a spook". Like do these people live in the real world?
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 No.117807

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>>117796
>one job
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 No.117810

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>>117803
>there's nothing to transition to
Isn't there? People will still have sexual preferences after the revolution. Not that it matters, we haven't had a revolution yet.
Anyway, how am i gonna attract hot chads without looking feminine? Explain. And i don't want to grow into a hairy ass sasquatch just because some retard told me "i dont have to look hairless and feminine". I'm going to alter my appearance. And i'm going to wear a skirt.
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 No.117824

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 No.117826

>>117785
>If a 40 year old man with a beard throws on a dress and demands you treat him like you would treat anybody else, you know as well as i do that you wouldn't. You'd bully them along with everyone else until they killed themselves.
If I was going to drive someone to suicide, it would not be contingent on their appearance. You can take all the surgies you want and I'll still hate you if Ive choosen to. PeopIe are more principled than that. That being said i see no reason I would hate a person for how they choose to live, so this is ridiculous in the first instance. Now if they demand special treatment from me that I wouldn't govr to any other person, simply because they choose to wear a dress, thats a different story of them trying to impose their reactionary traditional values of man and woman on me. In such cases they would be an enemy of the communist cause
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 No.117829

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GIVE ME
YOUR GENDER
IT BELONGS
TO ME NOW
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 No.117830

>>117810
>he thinks sexuality is real
OH NO NO NO…
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 No.117834

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>>117826
Every single transphobe on earth spends the majority of their time looking at cringe compilations of bearded transhumanists, botched surgery and ftm dicks. It's our appearance that gets us killed in third world countries, not our fucking personality.
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 No.117836

>>117834
Not at all related to an argument he was making.
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 No.117837

>>117834
I just got one question for you.
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 No.117839

>>117836
Baisycly
>what about that other group of people
and
>something bad happend to someone therefore you cant dissagre with me
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 No.117842

Why is gender dysphoria more valid than body dysphoria? What if i want to look more feminine (to the point where I am mentally ill) , but I dont want to become female gender wise? Am i invalid? Seems arbitrary.
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 No.117852

this is why transphobia exists
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 No.117855

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>>117842
You're valid, but "gender abolitionists" don't want you to look cute. They just want you to be able to wear a dress while ugly.
They want you to look like the ugly person in this cringe compilation because they're all snakes.
(Includes an actual picture of calico by the way)
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 No.117857

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>>117855
the real reason you feel dysphoric is because you haven't slidd any logs of shit lately…
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 No.117858

This thread should be pinned for would-be transphobes that want to vomit the same verbal diarrhea on /b/ again.
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 No.117859

>>117855
modern transhumanistism is just lookism but woke
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 No.117861

>>117858
how come every post made by an ancom flag is completelly retarded?
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 No.117862

>>117861
if anarchists from today were in germany during the 1919 revolution they would've supported the freikorps
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 No.117864

>>117852
no, transphobia exists because terminally online transphobes and troons live in their idiot camps and obsess constantly obsess over eachother, then only leave their campgrounds to fling shit like chimps, inevitably hitting bystanders with their feces in the process. and of course grifters and neolibs find the perfect opportunity to building a zoo and arm the chimps with shit slingshots and shit trebuches for fun and profit.
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 No.117866

>>117864
yeah thats what I said
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 No.117868

>>117866
ah, my bad fellow zoo-goer. carry on. dont forget to wash your hands before you leave.
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 No.117869

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>>117859
Which one of these two transgender women do you wager is more likely to be discriminated against and thrown off a rooftop in Iraq?
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 No.117871

>>117869
probably both honestly
t. iraqi
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 No.117873

>>117871
is it true shias are not that transphobic compared to sunnis?
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 No.117874

>>117869
Iran, on the other hand…
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 No.117875

>>117869
thats not the point retard what you are saying is that someones existance is not valid unless they are hot wich is literally just lookism
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 No.117876

>>117869
>iraq
>implying they wouldn't both put on burkhas

i mean thats one way of fixing dysphoria
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 No.117877

>>117869
>>117834
This is a wrong argument. Either transphobes are correct, in which case there shouldn't be any support for the incorrect idea of transitioning. Or they're incorrect and you shouldn't pander to them by conforming to their incorrect standards.

The only way it makes sense is if you stick the idea that you need transition to personally feel better about yourself. This appeal to the worst people in society doesn't work.
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 No.117878

>>117869
Second one, they don't want an earthquake after all.
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 No.117879

>>117873
no, i think it's just that the shia majority iranian government has a weird policy where they are against LGBT but allow gays/lesbians to have free(?) sex reassignment because "gays don't exist in Iran" or some shit
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 No.117880

>>117876
afaik troonies don't have to wear burkas since they technically are neither male nor female
>>117878
kek
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 No.117882

>>117879
>allow
There's allegations of forcing.
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 No.117883

>>117875
is vs. ought
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 No.117884

>>117882
>allegations
and if theres smoke theres got to be some fire!!!
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 No.117885

>>117855
We don't give a shit if you "pass" or not, we take issue, we take issue with a reinforcemnt of gender roles and invasion of female only spaces.
The idea that "terfs" don't want you to look pretty seems like just you projecting your insecurities on us.
What you people don't seem to understand that we don't take issue with trans people themselves but with what they do.
I think its your narcisim that makes everything out to be a personal attack against you.
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 No.117886

>>117882
knowing the government there it's probably true to some extent, be skeptical of the source of those allegations of course
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 No.117887

>>117885
Female only spaces shouldn't exist, like race only spaces shouldn't exist.
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 No.117888

>>117885
this, terfs are prolly even more scared of passing troonies because then they cant avoid them easily
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 No.117889

>>117887
t. man
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 No.117890

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>>117885
Where did i say anything about terfs? ctrl+f pulls up nothing but your post.
>>117883
Gender abolitionists have trouble separating fantasy from reality. Their fantasy is that gender can be abolished as soon as transgender people stop identifying as transgender, and that lookism shouldn't exist.
However the reality is that there's still lynchings of transgender people worldwide and gender has a material effect on everyone's life until a revolution happens, and i don't see a revolution on the horizon.
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 No.117892

>Because nonbinary individuals and non-dysphoric transitioners are not yet valid.
As it is in the western world, no insurance company is going to be willing to cover your appearance changes without good reason. Imagine if you walked into your doctor's office one day and said, "i would like to start feminizing hormone therapy and get cosmetic surgery performed in order to more closely match my ideal appearance, and no i'm not dysphoric, i don't want to commit suicide due to my current appearance, and i don't believe in gender norms but i would appreciate it if you helped me look pretty in a dress."
>Does that sound absurd to you? Only transgender, dysphoric individuals are properly cared for in the medical system. This is indisputable.
Well son or daughter, it fits in with reports of health coverage not being willing to fund breast reduction surgery for women who want it because their boobas hurt their back but cover implants for women who are suicidally depressed over their smol tiddies
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 No.117893

>>117885
fuck this neo-segregationist woketard bullshit and stop treating twitter troons as the majority of trans people
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 No.117896

>>117889
>>white only space shouldn't exist
>t. uyghur
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 No.117898

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>>117893
they're not the majority but they are loud retards that will be the first to jump and claim to represent trans people and libshits will defend it especially if you leave the south
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 No.117899

>>117890
how does advocating for lookism makes transphobia go away you retard?
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 No.117901

>>117890
>Gender abolitionists have trouble separating fantasy from reality. Their fantasy is that gender can be abolished as soon as transgender people stop identifying as transgender, and that lookism shouldn't exist.

NOBODY HAS EVER SAID THAT, YOU LIVE IN A DELLUSION, YOU'RE ARUING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DON'T EXIST.

Read a fucking book. I can tell you never read books.
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 No.117902

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just wanna post this
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 No.117903

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>>117899
It doesn't. And i'm not advocating for lookism. I'm advocating for gender abolition, once it's actually possible and not a pure fantasy. You're not materialists until reforms are enacted that make it possible.
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 No.117904

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>>117901
no one who cares about gender abolitionism has ever read gender abolitionist theory
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 No.117905

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 No.117906

>>117890
probably NTA you are actually referring to, but i will respond. regardless of what "gender abolitionists" really believe, all that I know is that gender has always been fluid but is becoming more and more obsolete as the material causes for it disappear. this makes both TERFS and transgenderists reactionaries in my mind, one because they want to return to "gender as sex roles" and the other because they want to return to gender as a fluid category.
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 No.117907

>transhumanist strawmans your entire movement
>explain that thats not what you belive
>He ignores your explanation and continues to argue against people in his head
Every time.
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 No.117909

>>117903
your idea of reform is just giving everyone hormones lmao stfu
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 No.117910

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i feel indifferent when it comes to transhumanists, they should be able to transition and be left alone but i can't bring myself to care about gender abolition or anything along those lines, i feel like its just something that doesn't really matter unless it comes to gender roles which can be easily done away with as women/men/transhumanists are given the free choice to do whatever they hell they want in life especially in a socialist system
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 No.117911

>>117904
>Im wilfully ignorant and I post nazi memes
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 No.117912

>>117910
The set of gender roles of a gender make up its basis though
Without gender roles gender doesnt exist
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 No.117913

>>117910
It doesnt matter to you cous you're a man who profits from it.
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 No.117915

>>117911
>le pepe is nazeee

go back
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 No.117916

>>117909
Your idea of abolishing gender is no plan at all, nobody ever gives a concrete program to abolish gender they just use it as an excuse to complain about transhumanists. I'm probably the first person on the entirety of /b/ to explain why it isn't gonna happen until a revolution comes.
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 No.117917

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>>117912
what abt secondary sexual characteristics tho
>>117911
u mad redditor XD?
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 No.117919

>>117913
i'm a 22 year old welfare reciever in a place with incredibly high unemployment what the fuck am i profiting from ?
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 No.117920

>>117903
Nobody saids we want gender abolished imidietly you fucking idiot, read a fucking book, stop living in your head, you're arguing against things nobody belives in.
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 No.117921

>>117916
▶Add filter▶Name
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 No.117922

>>117917
They are secondary sexual characteristics, lol
They are not externally and ideologically imposed, they are not gender
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 No.117923

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>>117890
>However the reality is that there's still lynchings of transgender people worldwide and gender has a material effect on everyone's life until a revolution happens, and i don't see a revolution on the horizon.
This is the same tired argument of every anti-communist idpol group. From black and white racialists to feminists who complain about "class reductionism". Yes I am a class reductionist.
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 No.117924

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>>117916
>nobody ever gives a concrete program to abolish gende
OH MY FUCKING GOD READ A FUCKING BOOK
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 No.117925

>>117916
uygha everybody knows it is impossible before the revolution stfu and go read the xenofeminist manifesto instead of being such an annoying pseud
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 No.117927

>>117919
Male privlaige and I don't care enough to explain it to you if you lived on this planned for 22 years and havent noticed it yet, than its your fault.
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 No.117929

>>117922
yeah but what if we call ppl with big milkers "women" and those with fat cocks "men"
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 No.117930

>>117927
>bourgeois feminists in a nutshell
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 No.117932

>>117898
i dont care
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 No.117935

>>117930
I work for minimal wage and live in governamt housing, fuck of.
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 No.117938

>>117935
not as bad as being a welfare receiver
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 No.117939

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>>117923
You've probably not been around long enough to realize that every single time i argue in favor of trans rights, i do it from a class perspective instead of a idpol perspective.
>>117920
>>117924
>>117925
Then i hope we can settle on "trans rights until gender is abolished" and i won't have to see anymore threads about it
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 No.117940

>>117935
and your btain is still consumed by ideology SAD!
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 No.117945

>>117929
I get what you mean
And I guess i seecwhere you are coming from
Gender insofsr as that seems of no issue though
Its ascribing expected behavior from thst in a manor similar to physiognomy that will not exist
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 No.117947

>>117939
Just read a book.
>>117938
Socialism isnt about arguing whos more opressed, and I'm not arguing I'm more opressed, just that I'm opressed in ways you are not, with is a fact I don't why thats so insulting to some men
>>117940
You are an idiot.
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 No.117948

>>117939
So trans-dengism
Based
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 No.117957

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/sound-as-a-pound-gay-men-who-oppose
Some of it is probably self internalized homophobia.
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 No.117959

>>117957
Why are transhumanists obsessed with this random british guy? Also internalized homophobia, is a leading cause of transgenderism OP is actually a perfect example.
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 No.118005

>basing validity on a capitalist institution
FUCK YOUUUUUU
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 No.118020

It literally starts with you. Just stop giving a shit what you are called and wear what you want.
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 No.118464

>>117939
why do these posts not even try to do some sort of Marxist cultural analysis on the topics they talk about?
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 No.118571

>>117855
>"gender abolitionists" don't want you to look cute
all the ones I've read are marxist/materialist and agree with you
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 No.118576

>>118575
gender construction is an innate human behavioral trait. Stop being transaphobic
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 No.118580

Gender won't be abolished in communism, you will have ACTUALLY IMPORTANT shit to worry about instead of this cringe nonsense. I'd unironically rather have /pol/ converts instead of chappos in this bitch, at least /pol/uyghurs are FUCKING ECONOMICALLY INCENTIVIZED
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 No.118587

>>118576
i can tell you definitely read all those articles in 3 minutes
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 No.118594

>>118587
doesn't excuse the transphobia. gender is real, trans individuals have to experience the wrong gender identity put on them daily. your articles don't refute that
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 No.118599

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>>118594
>transphobia
>gender is real
>>>wrong gender identity
Bye bye clownboon
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 No.118601

>>118594
the authors are trans and marxists who agree with shay's points but consider themselves abolitionists
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 No.118616

>>118575
I read the first article, it is making 2 claims that undermine the intent of the author.
1. medical treatments for people that are not sick
2. medical treatments like a consumer choice
Anybody who wants to draw hostile conclusion could say that it is a argument for a lifestyle, they could argue that people that are not sick and reject medical diagnosis do not need medical treatments. Who ever wrote this did not think this through.

What i find highly immoral is that there is no consideration given for people who might be in a different situation then the author, some people might be in error and not benefit from this treatment. If a doctor does this double checking procedure it might spare them a lot of suffering.
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 No.118625

>>118601
then they deny trans peoples right to exist as their real gender. Gender is innate, in the brain of every human, to abolish it is to abolish human nature and trans peoples identities aswell. To be a gender abolitionist is inherently transphobic.
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 No.118628

>>118625

yeah, no

did you even read the thread?
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 No.118637

>>118625
Litteraly overdosing on idealism.
Religious belives are also in our brains, doesnt make all of them real dumbass.
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 No.118639

>>118628
yes

gender identity comes from the brain. Do you think trans people are just making it up?
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 No.118643

>>118639
I hope you know you're not a marxist.
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 No.118644

>>118639
yes

perception comes from the brain. Do you think schizophrenic people are just making it up?
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 No.118650

>>118625 (me)*
>>118637
No I am right and you are wrong. My thoughts exist in my real head so they are for real. How can they be illusions if I'm really here and thinking them. You on the hand have wrong thoughts so you logically can't even exist in reality. It's called materialism. Maybe read a book?

*I'm not cis-118625, but transitioning into 118625.
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 No.118654

>>118650
Your thoughts are real, but that doesnt mean they describe reality, I'm just gonna assume you're trolling.
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 No.118656

>>118650
The thought's mental representstion is real
Not what the thought is interpreted to mean
Like, if i think im a dinosaur
There is some set of neurons and their connections you could theoretically point to yes, but the thought itself is not real.
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 No.118658

>>118625
>then they deny trans peoples right to exist as their real gender.
They need my approval to exist? What does my personal approval or lack of it change about what they are?
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 No.118659

>>118644
and their identity is from the gender they were born, not the one assigned by someone else at birth. Thus they are that gender. Gender abolition gets rid of that entirely to eliminate gender entirely, and try to delegitimize trans peoples truths of being born the gender they know they are.
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 No.118666

>>118659
What exactly does it mean to "identify" with a gender? That you like the color pink or like trucks over Barbies?
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 No.118667

10. Gender only materially exists insofar as the sexes can be assigned certain roles for their physiological ability in relationship to the needs of society. A man is usually stronger than a woman so a man hunts and does difficult labour, but most people don't hunt anymore and difficult labour is becoming more obsolete. A woman has children and is vulnerable, but that vulnerability becomes less severe as daily life becomes safer. The materially origins of gender will be mostly abolished when the physiological differences between men and women are overcome, and from there it's just a problem of ideology.
One point of clarification for 10: the reason why I use "gender" instead of just "sex roles" with regards to the material origins of gender is that such roles are intentionally fluid despite being otherwise rigid. The reason why is simply that if lots of men in a tribe go missing or are killed off, the remaining women have to take up their roles. There is plenty of evidence for this and vice-versa throughout human history, and I must repeat once again that such roles are slowly becoming subverted as socially necessary physiological differences are rendered more and more obsolete by technological advancement.
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 No.118727

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>>118601
Gender abolition is a process, not an immediate thing.
Socialism is trans rights, and communism is gender abolition. What does this mean?
This means we must build up the productive forces of gender transition. Hormone therapy and surgery must become cheap, easy to get, and high quality. This, in turn, will promote genderfluidity. Cosmetic changes will then be commonplace, and the distinctions between gender will blur, enabling the total abolition of gender roles and gender itself.
Hence i am a gender dengist, like >>117948 said.
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 No.118737

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we should just ban shay from making any post with more than 20 words
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 No.118739

>>118737
At least he namefags so you can filter him like a lot of us already have
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 No.118741

>>118650
literally idealism
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 No.118743

>>118666
you just know. Everything with the gender you were assigned doesn't feel like you and the gender you are does feel like you. So you choose to be you
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 No.118745

>>118739
I still wanna see her nudes tho
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 No.118821

>>118727

>Aufheben or Aufhebung is a German word with several seemingly contradictory meanings, including "to lift up", "to abolish", "cancel" or "suspend", or "to sublate". The term has also been defined as "abolish", "preserve", and "transcend".
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 No.118861

>>118727
What do you think of HRT being like diabetes in that it requires life long healthcare support similar to insulin to prevent bone problems? Do you think its necessary to fight for universal healthcare first to make sure people don't get fired, lose their healthcare, lose HRT and end up having heart/bone problems and unable to produce endogenous hormones or do you think we should fight for both at once?
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 No.118891

>>118861
Universal healthcare is more immediately important. For someone who did orchiectomy if they stopped taking hormones they would develop osteoporosis or worse, so it is like insulin once you've past that point. It's not like trans individuals only have trans health concerns either, there's still blood pressure issues and stuff that everybody suffers from, its just that transitioning itself is mostly a medical process and therefore increases the incentive to demand expanded healthcare.
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 No.118927

>>118891
look how causally these people speak about the creation of eunuchs. They even know how it is best to be done.
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 No.118933

>>118891
kinda makes it sound like trans people are more(most?) likely to be revolutionary subjects

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